• A Quora - General Westmoreland had a brilliant career prior to Vietnam

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    Michael Hutton

    May 25
    General Westmoreland had a brilliant career prior to the Vietnam War,
    but, was unable to adapt to the realities of an unconventional war.

    Michael Hutton
    MA in National Security Studies, Georgetown University (Graduated
    1987)Updated Feb 7

    What is the consensus on General William Westmoreland among historians?
    Did he do a bad job leading American forces in Vietnam, or was his task basically impossible from the start?
    An auspicious start…General Westmoreland is an interesting case study in
    the development of a combat commander. He had a superb combat record in
    World War II and he equaled it in many ways in the Korean War. (My
    father served under Westmoreland on two occasions, couldn't stand him,
    but praised him for how he conducted several operations during the
    Korean War.) He followed his sterling record in Korea with a highly
    successful peace-time command of the 101st Airborne Division.

    He ended WWII as the golden boy of the US Army and by 1960, had emerged
    as marked for the highest levels of command.

    …Founders on the realities of an unconventional war. The Vietnam war,
    though, showed General Westmoreland’s limitations in the extreme. The
    great generals have a suppleness of thought, an ability to understand
    the nature of the war they’re fighting and the ability to tailor their tactics and operations to achieve the ends of strategy. In this regard,
    General Westmoreland was lacking and it showed in his conduct of the war.


    John Noel Bartlett
    · Mon
    I have a low opinion of Westmoreland. Frankly, he began to lie to his President, to Congress and worst of all to his men repeatedly
    proclaiming victory was at hand, just give me more. He knew it was BS.


    Jacques René Giguère
    · Mon
    Worst he lied to himself. To extend on Lloyd George quote: “The War
    Office keeps three sets of numbers. One to fool the public, one to fool
    the government and one to fool themselves because the real fourth one
    would not fool anyone.”

    David Peters
    · Tue
    Australian forces showed how it could have been done.

    Having fought in Malaya against an insurgency they knew that regular
    patrols over the same ground were needed to keep the enemy from settling
    in. It was not large pitched battles which were needed, the enemy would
    not engage in them.

    Donald Wilhelm
    · Tue
    Had there been true fairness, Westmoreland would have been relieved, if
    not actually prosecuted, for his role in the attempted coverup of My Lai.

    Aj. Raymond James Ritchie
    · May 30
    Westmoreland really got up Australian officers noses. They tried to
    explain to him how they had been able to succeed against the communist guerillas in Malaysia on very few men and resources but he took no
    notice of them and treated them as a bunch of hicks. The Australians
    understood jungle warfare, Westmoreland did not.

    Famously he said he liked Australians serving in Vietnam because it
    changed the flag on some of the body bags.

    Charles Robison
    · Mon
    It is amazing how arrogance is the most common denominator in the
    failings of leaders. If you think you know everything, you’re usually screwed!


    Stuart Freeman
    · Thu
    Excellent!

    As a Marine in Nam we rotated from area to area then we started over
    once again. The VC were always a step behind us in setting up their
    effective booby traps which we unfortunately usually ran into in our
    return to those areas.




    General Westmoreland in Vietnam at the 1st RAR military base.
    (Credit...Tim Page/Corbis, via Getty Image)

    There are some sources that try to give him credit for doing well; but
    these efforts are a stretch. He could not grasp the politics
    underpinning the war and he failed to develop and implement a strategy
    that would have achieved an acceptable outcome.

    The consensus on General Westmoreland is best captured by Lewis Sorley
    in his scorching 2011 indictment, “Westmoreland: the General who Lost
    the War”.

    Sorley outlines in damning detail the case against its subject:
    everything from ignoring his tactical advisers in order to pursue a bludgeon-style “war of attrition” against the Vietcong to lying about
    enemy strength levels to his civilian superiors back in Washington.

    In Sorley’s view, Westmoreland viewed the war as a steppingstone to his
    fifth star and the chance to write the equivalent of Eisenhower’s
    “Crusade in Europe”. He achieved neither.

    General Westmoreland was criticised in his own day for his tone-deaf
    approach to the complexities of the Vietnam War, his insistence on
    massive conventional maneuvers against a highly fragmented guerrilla resistance, and his relentless pursuit of “high body counts” achieved by means of “big unit” confrontations and “search and destroy” missions that were famously indiscriminating in their choice of targets. And,
    historians ever since have been almost unanimous in their condemnation.

    There are generals who earn high praise for outstanding leadership and operational capabilities under pressure even though they lose in the
    end. Westmoreland is not one of those generals.

    His tactical plan: kill the enemy
    His operational plan: kill the enemy
    His strategic plan: kill the enemy.
    And kill we did, inflicting more than a million KIAs on the enemy. It
    yielded nothing, had little chance of success and Westmoreland’s peers
    have admitted as much.

    Future four-star general Volney Warner who also served as Westmoreland‘s executive officer said Westmoreland quite simply “didn’t understand the
    war then, doesn’t understand it now.” General William DePuy, a close associate of Westmoreland, later admitted the futility of the
    Westmoreland way of war. In his words:

    “We ended up,” he said, “with no operational plan that had the slightest chance of ending the war favorably.”
    Westmoreland was incapable of acknowledging this reality.

    One of Westmoreland’s flaws was that he never attended any of the Army’s senior service schools and was proud of it. And, he was proud that he
    was not a voracious reader. But, by not attending, his thinking on war
    was never challenged and he was never compelled to work through the complexities of higher command or campaigns and the problem of
    developing tactics and operations appropriate to meet the ends of strategy.

    As to the second part of the question, was the war unwinnable from the
    start? It seems that way; but, if we review how General Abrams did as
    the successor to Westmoreland, it’s obvious that the situation would
    have turned out much better if US forces had been commanded by a better general, which General Abrams was.

    General Creighton Abrams on the right (1969). Patton said of Abrams "I'm supposed to be the best tank commander in the Army, but I have one
    peer—Abe Abrams. He's the world champion.”


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