On 6/18/2022 7:10 PM, Memphis coon season wrote:
In article <sr8cvd$1bdd$1@news.freedyn.de>
"Trumpistan!" <trumpistan@gmail.com> wrote:
BY THOMAS LIPSCOMB - Special to the Sun
October 13, 2004
An official Navy document on Senator Kerry's campaign Web site
listed as Mr. Kerry's "Honorable Discharge from the Reserves"
[bullshit erased]
Kerry was unhonorably discharged from the Navy. This is not in rational dispute.
On 18 Jun 2022, Matt Singer <out.of.key@wyebur.con> posted some news:MEwrK.135768$vZ1.65669@fx04.iad:
On 6/18/2022 7:10 PM, Memphis coon season wrote:
In article <sr8cvd$1bdd$1@news.freedyn.de>
"Trumpistan!" <trumpistan@gmail.com> wrote:
BY THOMAS LIPSCOMB - Special to the Sun
October 13, 2004
An official Navy document on Senator Kerry's campaign Web site
listed as Mr. Kerry's "Honorable Discharge from the Reserves"
[bullshit erased]
Kerry was honorably discharged from the Navy. This is not in rational
dispute.
Kerry was an anti-war protester while in the Navy and
On 18 Jun 2022, Matt Singer <out.of.key@wyebur.con> posted some >news:MEwrK.135768$vZ1.65669@fx04.iad:
On 6/18/2022 7:10 PM, Memphis coon season wrote:
In article <sr8cvd$1bdd$1@news.freedyn.de>
"Trumpistan!" <trumpistan@gmail.com> wrote:
BY THOMAS LIPSCOMB - Special to the Sun
October 13, 2004
An official Navy document on Senator Kerry's campaign Web site
listed as Mr. Kerry's "Honorable Discharge from the Reserves"
[bullshit erased]
Kerry was honorably discharged from the Navy. This is not in rational
dispute.
Kerry was an anti-war protester while in the Navy and they kicked his ass >out.
On 18 Jun 2022, Matt Singer <out.of.key@wyebur.con> posted some news:MEwrK.135768$vZ1.65669@fx04.iad:
On 6/18/2022 7:10 PM, Memphis coon season wrote:
In article <sr8cvd$1bdd$1@news.freedyn.de>
"Trumpistan!" <trumpistan@gmail.com> wrote:
BY THOMAS LIPSCOMB - Special to the Sun
October 13, 2004
An official Navy document on Senator Kerry's campaign Web site
listed as Mr. Kerry's "Honorable Discharge from the Reserves"
[bullshit erased]
Kerry was unhonorably discharged from the Navy. This is not in rational
dispute.
Kerry was an anti-war protester while in the Navy and they kicked his ass out.
On 6/22/2022 5:41 PM, Chadlee "cuck" Blowjob, 250lb 5'3" morbidly obese convicted child molester and lying fat fuck, lied:
On 18 Jun 2022, Matt Singer <out.of.key@wyebur.con> posted some
news:MEwrK.135768$vZ1.65669@fx04.iad:
On 6/18/2022 7:10 PM, Memphis coon season wrote:
In article <sr8cvd$1bdd$1@news.freedyn.de>
"Trumpistan!" <trumpistan@gmail.com> wrote:
BY THOMAS LIPSCOMB - Special to the Sun
October 13, 2004
An official Navy document on Senator Kerry's campaign Web site
listed as Mr. Kerry's "Honorable Discharge from the Reserves"
[bullshit erased]
Kerry was honorably discharged from the Navy. This is not in rational
dispute.
Kerry was an anti-war protester while in the Navy and
No, he wasn't. He was an anti-Vietnam war protester, as all Americans
had a right and duty to be.
HM3 Medals <blowhard@kerry.com> wrote:
On 18 Jun 2022, Matt Singer <out.of.key@wyebur.con> posted some
news:MEwrK.135768$vZ1.65669@fx04.iad:
On 6/18/2022 7:10 PM, Memphis coon season wrote:
In article <sr8cvd$1bdd$1@news.freedyn.de>
"Trumpistan!" <trumpistan@gmail.com> wrote:
BY THOMAS LIPSCOMB - Special to the Sun
October 13, 2004
An official Navy document on Senator Kerry's campaign Web site
listed as Mr. Kerry's "Honorable Discharge from the Reserves"
[bullshit erased]
Kerry was honorably discharged from the Navy. This is not in rational
dispute.
Kerry was an anti-war protester while in the Navy and they kicked his ass
out.
Prove it.
On 6/22/2022 7:41 PM, HM3 Medals wrote:
On 18 Jun 2022, Matt Singer <out.of.key@wyebur.con> posted some
news:MEwrK.135768$vZ1.65669@fx04.iad:
On 6/18/2022 7:10 PM, Memphis coon season wrote:
In article <sr8cvd$1bdd$1@news.freedyn.de>
"Trumpistan!" <trumpistan@gmail.com> wrote:
BY THOMAS LIPSCOMB - Special to the Sun
October 13, 2004
An official Navy document on Senator Kerry's campaign Web site
listed as Mr. Kerry's "Honorable Discharge from the Reserves"
[bullshit erased]
Kerry was unhonorably discharged from the Navy. This is not in
rational dispute.
Kerry was an anti-war protester while in the Navy and they kicked his
ass out.
HM3...Just ain't enough pecker checkers anymore. ;-)
Bullshit. He opted out when the Swift boaters complained about his
stolen valor activities.
Once he went on reserve status, Kerry had every right to protest, if he engaged in protest while on active duty, he would have been subject to disciplinary action.
Bullshit. He opted out when the Swift boaters complained about his
HM3 Medals <blowhard@kerry.com> wrote:
Kerry was an anti-war protester while in the Navy and they kicked his ass >>out.
Prove it.
In article <utCdnYMoAZ2sAyj_nZ2dnUU7-KudnZ2d@giganews.com>,
David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
Once he went on reserve status, Kerry had every right to protest, if he
engaged in protest while on active duty, he would have been subject to
disciplinary action.
There were calls for court martial. It was difficult for the
Navy. He was a visible decorated war hero becoming active in
politics protesting the war. They had gotten combat service out
of him, and the war was winding down. I suspect they decided it
was easiest for the Navy to quietly let him go without making him
a martyr. And let the political theatre play out outside the Navy.
On 6/23/22 06:30, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
 HM3 Medals <blowhard@kerry.com> wrote:
On 18 Jun 2022, Matt Singer <out.of.key@wyebur.con> posted some
news:MEwrK.135768$vZ1.65669@fx04.iad:
On 6/18/2022 7:10 PM, Memphis coon season wrote:
In article <sr8cvd$1bdd$1@news.freedyn.de>
"Trumpistan!" <trumpistan@gmail.com> wrote:
BY THOMAS LIPSCOMB - Special to the Sun
October 13, 2004
An official Navy document on Senator Kerry's campaign Web site
listed as Mr. Kerry's "Honorable Discharge from the Reserves"
[bullshit erased]
Kerry was honorably discharged from the Navy. This is not in rational >>>> dispute.
Kerry was an anti-war protester while in the Navy and they kicked his
ass
out.
Prove it.
Once he went on reserve status, Kerry had every right to protest, if he engaged in protest while on active duty, he would have been subject to disciplinary action.
Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com> wrote in
news:t93v3l$pep$1@dont-email.me:
On 6/22/2022 7:41 PM, HM3 Medals wrote:
On 18 Jun 2022, Matt Singer <out.of.key@wyebur.con> posted some
news:MEwrK.135768$vZ1.65669@fx04.iad:
On 6/18/2022 7:10 PM, Memphis coon season wrote:
In article <sr8cvd$1bdd$1@news.freedyn.de>
"Trumpistan!" <trumpistan@gmail.com> wrote:
BY THOMAS LIPSCOMB - Special to the Sun
October 13, 2004
An official Navy document on Senator Kerry's campaign Web site
listed as Mr. Kerry's "Honorable Discharge from the Reserves"
[bullshit erased]
Kerry was unhonorably discharged from the Navy. This is not in
rational dispute.
Kerry was an anti-war protester while in the Navy and they kicked his
ass out.
HM3...Just ain't enough pecker checkers anymore. ;-)
Bullshit. He opted out when the Swift boaters complained about his
stolen valor activities.
Not the swiftboaters he served with.
"The decisions that he made saved our lives.
He had unfailing instinct and unchallengable
leadership."
Kerry Vietnam crewmate Del Sandusky
"He took care of all of us. He really did."
Kerry Vietnam crewmate Gene Thorson.
"We were in a lot of firefights. You learn
a lot about people. After a firefight, John
would come up to me and he would put his hand
on me and he'd say, 'David, are you all right?’
'I didn't know then that I had a man of God on
my boat"
Kerry Vietnam crewmate David Alston
"Next thing I knew, John Kerry came out in the
middle of all this. I couldn't believe it. He
was going to get killed. He ran to the edge,
reached over with his good arm [Kerry had been
wounded in his right arm] and pulled me over
the lip."
Kerry Vietnam crewmate Jim Rassmann
In article <t93v3l$pep$1@dont-email.me>,
Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com> wrote:
Bullshit. He opted out when the Swift boaters complained about his
Bush the Dumber's military career was saving us from mexican
hordes between cocaine binges. It didn't compare well to Kerry's
medals. So the slander campaign of liars.
You still blame Kerry and the hippies for losing the war ignoring
we should never been there and Vietnam has been much better
without us.
On 6/24/2022 8:45 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:his
Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com> wrote in
news:t93v3l$pep$1@dont-email.me:
On 6/22/2022 7:41 PM, HM3 Medals wrote:
On 18 Jun 2022, Matt Singer <out.of.key@wyebur.con> posted some
news:MEwrK.135768$vZ1.65669@fx04.iad:
On 6/18/2022 7:10 PM, Memphis coon season wrote:
In article <sr8cvd$1bdd$1@news.freedyn.de>
"Trumpistan!" <trumpistan@gmail.com> wrote:
BY THOMAS LIPSCOMB - Special to the Sun
October 13, 2004
An official Navy document on Senator Kerry's campaign Web site
listed as Mr. Kerry's "Honorable Discharge from the Reserves"
[bullshit erased]
Kerry was unhonorably discharged from the Navy. This is not in
rational dispute.
Kerry was an anti-war protester while in the Navy and they kicked
ass out.
HM3...Just ain't enough pecker checkers anymore. ;-)
Bullshit. He opted out when the Swift boaters complained about his
stolen valor activities.
Not the swiftboaters he served with.
Oh...Was he in someone else's Navy? I can believe that.
"The decisions that he made saved our lives.
He had unfailing instinct and unchallengable
leadership."
Kerry Vietnam crewmate Del Sandusky
No such person
"He took care of all of us. He really did."
Kerry Vietnam crewmate Gene Thorson.
Bullshit. You prevaricate constantly
"We were in a lot of firefights. You learn
a lot about people. After a firefight, John
would come up to me and he would put his hand
on me and he'd say, 'David, are you all right?’
'I didn't know then that I had a man of God on
my boat"
Kerry Vietnam crewmate David Alston
Made up.. not valid
"Next thing I knew, John Kerry came out in the
middle of all this. I couldn't believe it. He
was going to get killed. He ran to the edge,
reached over with his good arm [Kerry had been
wounded in his right arm] and pulled me over
the lip."
Kerry Vietnam crewmate Jim Rassmann
A drunken nonmember of the Swiftboat
My
Country! Right or wrong
In article <t98dtv$3lg66$1@dont-email.me>,
Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com> wrote:
My
Country! Right or wrong
'I was only following orders.'
On 6/25/2022 11:14 PM, Siri Cruise wrote:
In article <t98dtv$3lg66$1@dont-email.me>,
 Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com> wrote:
My
Country! Right or wrong
'I was only following orders.'
Was that at the burger joint while flipping burgers?
On 6/25/2022 11:14 PM, Siri Cruise wrote:
In article <t98dtv$3lg66$1@dont-email.me>,
 Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com> wrote:
My
Country! Right or wrong
'I was only following orders.'
Was that at the burger joint while flipping burgers?
" My Country! Right or wrong".
Oh...Was he in someone else's Navy? I can believe that.
On 6/28/2022 9:43 AM, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
Zinger <Zinger@BadS0Sad.com> wrote:
Oh...Was he in someone else's Navy? I can believe that.
Of the 200 Swiftboaters who signed against Kerry, only one actually
served with him and that one was not with Kerry when he earned his
medals.
You Sir, are a Prevaricator! The record is clear. Obviously you and
Kerry are either soul mates or lovers. The first lovers spat you have
and your tune will change. Are you still attending Marxist lerarning
sessions with Kerry? After all he was/is President of the Communist
financed "Veterans Against The Vietnam War".
Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com> wrote:
" My Country! Right or wrong".
I don't agree with that either. If my country is wrong, I'm going to
say so.
I'll bet you wouldn't agree with it either if your opposition party
did something you hated.
Swill
Zinger <Zinger@BadS0Sad.com> wrote:
Oh...Was he in someone else's Navy? I can believe that.
Of the 200 Swiftboaters who signed against Kerry, only one actually
served with him and that one was not with Kerry when he earned his
medals.
On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 12:15:18 -0500, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com>
wrote:
On 6/28/2022 9:43 AM, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
Zinger <Zinger@BadS0Sad.com> wrote:
Oh...Was he in someone else's Navy? I can believe that.
Of the 200 Swiftboaters who signed against Kerry, only one actually
served with him and that one was not with Kerry when he earned his
medals.
You Sir, are a Prevaricator! The record is clear. Obviously you and
Kerry are either soul mates or lovers. The first lovers spat you have
and your tune will change. Are you still attending Marxist lerarning
sessions with Kerry? After all he was/is President of the Communist
financed "Veterans Against The Vietnam War".
Anyone with any sense was against the Vietnam war.
58,220 U.S. military fatal casualties to achieve what, exactly?
On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 12:15:18 -0500, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com>
wrote:
On 6/28/2022 9:43 AM, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
Zinger <Zinger@BadS0Sad.com> wrote:
Oh...Was he in someone else's Navy? I can believe that.
Of the 200 Swiftboaters who signed against Kerry, only one actually
served with him and that one was not with Kerry when he earned his
medals.
You Sir, are a Prevaricator! The record is clear. Obviously you and
Kerry are either soul mates or lovers. The first lovers spat you have
and your tune will change. Are you still attending Marxist lerarning >>sessions with Kerry? After all he was/is President of the Communist >>financed "Veterans Against The Vietnam War".
Anyone with any sense was against the Vietnam war.
58,220 U.S. military fatal casualties to achieve what, exactly?
On 6/28/2022 9:43 AM, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
Zinger <Zinger@BadS0Sad.com> wrote:
Oh...Was he in someone else's Navy? I can believe that.
Of the 200 Swiftboaters who signed against Kerry, only one actually
served with him and that one was not with Kerry when he earned his
medals.
You Sir, are a Prevaricator! The record is clear. Obviously you and
Kerry are either soul mates or lovers. The first lovers spat you have
and your tune will change. Are you still attending Marxist lerarning
sessions with Kerry? After all he was/is President of the Communist
financed "Veterans Against The Vietnam War". Or is membership in Antifa
the going thang for your kind now-a-days?
On 6/28/2022 9:43 AM, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
 Zinger <Zinger@BadS0Sad.com> wrote:
Oh...Was he in someone else's Navy? I can believe that.
Of the 200 Swiftboaters who signed against Kerry, only one actually
served with him and that one was not with Kerry when he earned his
medals.
You Sir, are a Prevaricator! The record is clear.
On 6/28/2022 9:43 AM, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
Zinger <Zinger@BadS0Sad.com> wrote:
Oh...Was he in someone else's Navy? I can believe that.
Of the 200 Swiftboaters who signed against Kerry, only one actually
served with him and that one was not with Kerry when he earned his
medals.
You Sir, are a Prevaricator! The record is clear. Obviously you and
Kerry are either soul mates or lovers. The first lovers spat you have
and your tune will change. Are you still attending Marxist lerarning
sessions with Kerry? After all he was/is President of the Communist
financed "Veterans Against The Vietnam War". Or is membership in Antifa
the going thang for your kind now-a-days?
On 29 Jun 2022, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com> posted some news:t9i1b6$1g7pu$1@dont-email.me:
On 6/28/2022 9:43 AM, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
Zinger <Zinger@BadS0Sad.com> wrote:
Oh...Was he in someone else's Navy? I can believe that.
Of the 200 Swiftboaters who signed against Kerry, only one actually
served with him and that one was not with Kerry when he earned his
medals.
You Sir, are a Prevaricator! The record is clear. Obviously you and
Kerry are either soul mates or lovers. The first lovers spat you have
and your tune will change. Are you still attending Marxist lerarning
sessions with Kerry? After all he was/is President of the Communist
financed "Veterans Against The Vietnam War". Or is membership in Antifa
the going thang for your kind now-a-days?
I find it very dubious that John Kerry spent four months in Vietnam on a patrol boat, getting a Silver Star, Bronze Star, and three Purple Hearts.
On 29 Jun 2022, Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.entfernen.@gmail.com> posted some news:962pbh9avho71a92mo7314fmvgo0fnaaij@4ax.com:
On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 12:15:18 -0500, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com>
wrote:
On 6/28/2022 9:43 AM, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
Zinger <Zinger@BadS0Sad.com> wrote:
Oh...Was he in someone else's Navy? I can believe that.
Of the 200 Swiftboaters who signed against Kerry, only one actually
served with him and that one was not with Kerry when he earned his
medals.
You Sir, are a Prevaricator! The record is clear. Obviously you and
Kerry are either soul mates or lovers. The first lovers spat you have
and your tune will change. Are you still attending Marxist lerarning
sessions with Kerry? After all he was/is President of the Communist
financed "Veterans Against The Vietnam War".
Anyone with any sense was against the Vietnam war.
58,220 U.S. military fatal casualties to achieve what, exactly?
The American Democrat party
On 6/29/2022 11:50 AM, Chadlee "cuck" Blowjob, 250lb 5'3" morbidly obese >convicted child molester and lying fat fuck, lied:
On 29 Jun 2022, Klaus Schadenfreude
<klaus.schadenfreude.entfernen.@gmail.com> posted some
news:962pbh9avho71a92mo7314fmvgo0fnaaij@4ax.com:
On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 12:15:18 -0500, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com>
wrote:
On 6/28/2022 9:43 AM, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
Zinger <Zinger@BadS0Sad.com> wrote:
Oh...Was he in someone else's Navy? I can believe that.
Of the 200 Swiftboaters who signed against Kerry, only one actually
served with him and that one was not with Kerry when he earned his
medals.
You Sir, are a Prevaricator! The record is clear. Obviously you and
Kerry are either soul mates or lovers. The first lovers spat you have
and your tune will change. Are you still attending Marxist lerarning
sessions with Kerry? After all he was/is President of the Communist
financed "Veterans Against The Vietnam War".
Anyone with any sense was against the Vietnam war.
58,220 U.S. military fatal casualties to achieve what, exactly?
The American Democrat party
There is no such party.
Blowjob?
On 6/28/2022 9:44 AM, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
 Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com> wrote:
" My Country! Right or wrong".
I don't agree with that either. If my country is wrong, I'm going to
say so.
I'll bet you wouldn't agree with it either if your opposition party
did something you hated.
Swill
Your treasonous party
treasonous party
On 29 Jun 2022, Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.entfernen.@gmail.com> posted some news:962pbh9avho71a92mo7314fmvgo0fnaaij@4ax.com:
On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 12:15:18 -0500, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com>
wrote:
On 6/28/2022 9:43 AM, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
Zinger <Zinger@BadS0Sad.com> wrote:
Oh...Was he in someone else's Navy? I can believe that.
Of the 200 Swiftboaters who signed against Kerry, only one actually
served with him and that one was not with Kerry when he earned his
medals.
You Sir, are a Prevaricator! The record is clear. Obviously you and >>>Kerry are either soul mates or lovers. The first lovers spat you have
and your tune will change. Are you still attending Marxist lerarning >>>sessions with Kerry? After all he was/is President of the Communist >>>financed "Veterans Against The Vietnam War".
Anyone with any sense was against the Vietnam war.
58,220 U.S. military fatal casualties to achieve what, exactly?
The American Democrat party is in competition with the French, to see
how many of their own people they can kill with ineptness and idiotic
defense only rules of engagement before totally surrending in shame.
On 29 Jun 2022, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com> posted some news:t9i1b6$1g7pu$1@dont-email.me:
On 6/28/2022 9:43 AM, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
Zinger <Zinger@BadS0Sad.com> wrote:
Oh...Was he in someone else's Navy? I can believe that.
Of the 200 Swiftboaters who signed against Kerry, only one actually
served with him and that one was not with Kerry when he earned his
medals.
You Sir, are a Prevaricator! The record is clear. Obviously you and
Kerry are either soul mates or lovers. The first lovers spat you have
and your tune will change. Are you still attending Marxist lerarning
sessions with Kerry? After all he was/is President of the Communist
financed "Veterans Against The Vietnam War". Or is membership in
Antifa the going thang for your kind now-a-days?
I find it very dubious that John Kerry spent four months in Vietnam on
a patrol boat, getting a Silver Star, Bronze Star, and three Purple
Hearts.
What did America gain from Eisenhower
getting us involved in Vietnam?
What did America gain from Bush getting
us involved in Afghanistan?
What did America gain from Bush getting
us involved in Iraq?
On 6/28/2022 9:44 AM, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com> wrote:
" My Country! Right or wrong".
I don't agree with that either. If my country is wrong, I'm going to
say so.
I'll bet you wouldn't agree with it either if your opposition party
did something you hated.
Swill
Your treasonous party has done exactly that and you condone it.
On 6/29/2022 9:21 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
bob user <bobuser@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:XnsAEC5787AC7070CXD305@0.0.0.0:
On 29 Jun 2022, Klaus Schadenfreude
<klaus.schadenfreude.entfernen.@gmail.com> posted some
news:962pbh9avho71a92mo7314fmvgo0fnaaij@4ax.com:
On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 12:15:18 -0500, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com>
wrote:
On 6/28/2022 9:43 AM, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
  Zinger <Zinger@BadS0Sad.com> wrote:
Oh...Was he in someone else's Navy? I can believe that.
Of the 200 Swiftboaters who signed against Kerry, only one actually >>>>>> served with him and that one was not with Kerry when he earned his >>>>>> medals.
You Sir, are a Prevaricator! The record is clear. Obviously you and >>>>> Kerry are either soul mates or lovers. The first lovers spat you have >>>>> and your tune will change. Are you still attending Marxist lerarning >>>>> sessions with Kerry? After all he was/is President of the Communist
financed "Veterans Against The Vietnam War".
Anyone with any sense was against the Vietnam war.
58,220 U.S. military fatal casualties to achieve what, exactly?
The American Democrat party is in competition with the French, to see
how many of their own people they can kill with ineptness and idiotic
defense only rules of engagement before totally surrending in shame.
   What did America gain from Eisenhower
getting us involved in Vietnam?
Truman had advisors in Nam 1949.
bob user <bobuser@mindspring.com> wrote in news:XnsAEC577D2BDEBACXD305@0.0.0.0:
On 29 Jun 2022, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com> posted some
news:t9i1b6$1g7pu$1@dont-email.me:
On 6/28/2022 9:43 AM, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
Zinger <Zinger@BadS0Sad.com> wrote:
Oh...Was he in someone else's Navy? I can believe that.
Of the 200 Swiftboaters who signed against Kerry, only one actually
served with him and that one was not with Kerry when he earned his
medals.
You Sir, are a Prevaricator! The record is clear. Obviously you and
Kerry are either soul mates or lovers. The first lovers spat you have
and your tune will change. Are you still attending Marxist lerarning
sessions with Kerry? After all he was/is President of the Communist
financed "Veterans Against The Vietnam War". Or is membership in
Antifa the going thang for your kind now-a-days?
I find it very dubious that John Kerry spent four months in Vietnam on
a patrol boat, getting a Silver Star, Bronze Star, and three Purple
Hearts.
US Navy: Kerry Medals Kosher
September 18, 2004
On 6/29/2022 11:46 AM, Chadlee "cuck" Blowjob, 250lb 5'3" morbidly obese convicted child molester and lying fat fuck, lied:
On 29 Jun 2022, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com> posted some
news:t9i1b6$1g7pu$1@dont-email.me:
On 6/28/2022 9:43 AM, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
  Zinger <Zinger@BadS0Sad.com> wrote:
Oh...Was he in someone else's Navy? I can believe that.
Of the 200 Swiftboaters who signed against Kerry, only one actually
served with him and that one was not with Kerry when he earned his
medals.
You Sir, are a Prevaricator! The record is clear. Obviously you and
Kerry are either soul mates or lovers. The first lovers spat you have
and your tune will change. Are you still attending Marxist lerarning
sessions with Kerry? After all he was/is President of the Communist
financed "Veterans Against The Vietnam War". Or is membership in Antifa
the going thang for your kind now-a-days?
I find it very dubious that John Kerry spent four months in Vietnam on a
patrol boat, getting a Silver Star, Bronze Star, and three Purple Hearts.
He did, regardless of what you think about it, Blowjob.
bob user <bobuser@mindspring.com> wrote in news:XnsAEC5787AC7070CXD305@0.0.0.0:
On 29 Jun 2022, Klaus Schadenfreude
<klaus.schadenfreude.entfernen.@gmail.com> posted some
news:962pbh9avho71a92mo7314fmvgo0fnaaij@4ax.com:
On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 12:15:18 -0500, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com>
wrote:
On 6/28/2022 9:43 AM, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
Zinger <Zinger@BadS0Sad.com> wrote:
Oh...Was he in someone else's Navy? I can believe that.
Of the 200 Swiftboaters who signed against Kerry, only one actually
served with him and that one was not with Kerry when he earned his
medals.
You Sir, are a Prevaricator! The record is clear. Obviously you and
Kerry are either soul mates or lovers. The first lovers spat you have
and your tune will change. Are you still attending Marxist lerarning
sessions with Kerry? After all he was/is President of the Communist
financed "Veterans Against The Vietnam War".
Anyone with any sense was against the Vietnam war.
58,220 U.S. military fatal casualties to achieve what, exactly?
The American Democrat party is in competition with the French, to see
how many of their own people they can kill with ineptness and idiotic
defense only rules of engagement before totally surrending in shame.
What did America gain from Eisenhower
getting us involved in Vietnam?
What did America gain from Bush getting
us involved in Afghanistan?
What did America gain from Bush getting
us involved in Iraq?
On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 12:15:18 -0500, in talk.politics.guns Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com> wrote:
On 6/28/2022 9:43 AM, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
Zinger <Zinger@BadS0Sad.com> wrote:
Oh...Was he in someone else's Navy? I can believe that.
Of the 200 Swiftboaters who signed against Kerry, only one actually
served with him and that one was not with Kerry when he earned his
medals.
You Sir, are a Prevaricator! The record is clear. Obviously you and
Kerry are either soul mates or lovers. The first lovers spat you have
and your tune will change. Are you still attending Marxist lerarning
sessions with Kerry? After all he was/is President of the Communist
financed "Veterans Against The Vietnam War". Or is membership in Antifa
the going thang for your kind now-a-days?
None of what you wrote in any way addresses the topic. The record
*is* clear; John Kerry was honorably discharged from the United States
Navy and the medals he displays were all awarded legally. Some people
don't think he deserved them
On December 17, 1967, my brother was flying a Thud over (what was
then) North Vietnam when an anti-aircraft gunner got lucky. He was
able to limp back to DaNang and punch out over the bay; however, he
was killed on ejection from the crippled aircraft. He was awarded the
Silver Star; however, all he did was to die in combat. I mean, he was
just doing his job of strapping on a Thud every day... how is that
heroic? So, would you say that he doesn't deserve the Silver Star?
On 6/29/2022 10:15 AM, Leper wrote:
On 6/28/2022 9:43 AM, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
 Zinger <Zinger@BadS0Sad.com> wrote:
Oh...Was he in someone else's Navy? I can believe that.
Of the 200 Swiftboaters who signed against Kerry, only one actually
served with him and that one was not with Kerry when he earned his
medals.
You Sir, are a Prevaricator! The record is clear.
What's clear is that you're a full of shit lying right-wingnut.
On 6/30/2022 2:59 PM, PaxPerPoten wrote:
On 6/29/2022 9:21 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
bob user <bobuser@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:XnsAEC5787AC7070CXD305@0.0.0.0:
On 29 Jun 2022, Klaus Schadenfreude
<klaus.schadenfreude.entfernen.@gmail.com> posted some
news:962pbh9avho71a92mo7314fmvgo0fnaaij@4ax.com:
On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 12:15:18 -0500, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com>
wrote:
On 6/28/2022 9:43 AM, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
Zinger <Zinger@BadS0Sad.com> wrote:
Oh...Was he in someone else's Navy? I can believe that.
Of the 200 Swiftboaters who signed against Kerry, only one actually >>>>>>> served with him and that one was not with Kerry when he earned his >>>>>>> medals.
You Sir, are a Prevaricator! The record is clear. Obviously you and >>>>>> Kerry are either soul mates or lovers. The first lovers spat you have >>>>>> and your tune will change. Are you still attending Marxist lerarning >>>>>> sessions with Kerry? After all he was/is President of the Communist >>>>>> financed "Veterans Against The Vietnam War".
Anyone with any sense was against the Vietnam war.
58,220 U.S. military fatal casualties to achieve what, exactly?
The American Democrat party is in competition with the French, to see
how many of their own people they can kill with ineptness and idiotic
defense only rules of engagement before totally surrending in shame.
What did America gain from Eisenhower
getting us involved in Vietnam?
Truman had advisors in Nam 1949.
No, you fucking liar, he didn't.
On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 12:17:03 -0500, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com>
wrote:
On 6/28/2022 9:44 AM, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com> wrote:
" My Country! Right or wrong".
I don't agree with that either. If my country is wrong, I'm going to
say so.
I'll bet you wouldn't agree with it either if your opposition party
did something you hated.
Swill
Your treasonous party has done exactly that and you condone it.
I don't belong to any political parties and never have. I have voted
for candidates from both of the majors as well as for independents.
Btw, your writing in English is pretty poor.
Swill
Don't know about advisors, but Truman did support the French over the Ho
Chi Min in Indochina.
On 6/30/2022 2:59 PM, PaxPerPoten wrote:
On 6/29/2022 9:21 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
bob user <bobuser@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:XnsAEC5787AC7070CXD305@0.0.0.0:
On 29 Jun 2022, Klaus Schadenfreude
<klaus.schadenfreude.entfernen.@gmail.com> posted some
news:962pbh9avho71a92mo7314fmvgo0fnaaij@4ax.com:
On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 12:15:18 -0500, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com>
wrote:
On 6/28/2022 9:43 AM, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
  Zinger <Zinger@BadS0Sad.com> wrote:
Oh...Was he in someone else's Navy? I can believe that.
Of the 200 Swiftboaters who signed against Kerry, only one actually >>>>>>> served with him and that one was not with Kerry when he earned his >>>>>>> medals.
You Sir, are a Prevaricator! The record is clear. Obviously you and >>>>>> Kerry are either soul mates or lovers. The first lovers spat you have >>>>>> and your tune will change. Are you still attending Marxist lerarning >>>>>> sessions with Kerry? After all he was/is President of the Communist >>>>>> financed "Veterans Against The Vietnam War".
Anyone with any sense was against the Vietnam war.
58,220 U.S. military fatal casualties to achieve what, exactly?
The American Democrat party is in competition with the French, to see
how many of their own people they can kill with ineptness and idiotic
defense only rules of engagement before totally surrending in shame.
   What did America gain from Eisenhower
getting us involved in Vietnam?
Truman had advisors in Nam 1949.
No, you fucking liar, he didn't.
On 6/30/22 17:05, Ubiquitous wrote:
On 6/30/2022 2:59 PM, PaxPerPoten wrote:
On 6/29/2022 9:21 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
bob user <bobuser@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:XnsAEC5787AC7070CXD305@0.0.0.0:
On 29 Jun 2022, Klaus Schadenfreude
<klaus.schadenfreude.entfernen.@gmail.com> posted some
news:962pbh9avho71a92mo7314fmvgo0fnaaij@4ax.com:
On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 12:15:18 -0500, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com> >>>>>> wrote:
On 6/28/2022 9:43 AM, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
  Zinger <Zinger@BadS0Sad.com> wrote:
Oh...Was he in someone else's Navy? I can believe that.
Of the 200 Swiftboaters who signed against Kerry, only one actually >>>>>>>> served with him and that one was not with Kerry when he earned his >>>>>>>> medals.
You Sir, are a Prevaricator! The record is clear. Obviously you and >>>>>>> Kerry are either soul mates or lovers. The first lovers spat you have >>>>>>> and your tune will change. Are you still attending Marxist lerarning >>>>>>> sessions with Kerry? After all he was/is President of the Communist >>>>>>> financed "Veterans Against The Vietnam War".
Anyone with any sense was against the Vietnam war.
58,220 U.S. military fatal casualties to achieve what, exactly?
The American Democrat party is in competition with the French, to see >>>>> how many of their own people they can kill with ineptness and idiotic >>>>> defense only rules of engagement before totally surrending in shame. >>>>>
   What did America gain from Eisenhower
getting us involved in Vietnam?
Truman had advisors in Nam 1949.
No, you fucking liar, he didn't.
Don't know about advisors, but Truman did support the French over the Ho Chi Min
in Indochina.
On 6/30/22 17:05, Ubiquitous wrote:
On 6/30/2022 2:59 PM, PaxPerPoten wrote:
On 6/29/2022 9:21 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
bob user <bobuser@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:XnsAEC5787AC7070CXD305@0.0.0.0:
On 29 Jun 2022, Klaus Schadenfreude
<klaus.schadenfreude.entfernen.@gmail.com> posted some
news:962pbh9avho71a92mo7314fmvgo0fnaaij@4ax.com:
On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 12:15:18 -0500, Leper
<Leper@MalokaiColony.com> wrote:
On 6/28/2022 9:43 AM, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
  Zinger <Zinger@BadS0Sad.com> wrote:
Oh...Was he in someone else's Navy? I can believe that.
Of the 200 Swiftboaters who signed against Kerry, only one
actually served with him and that one was not with Kerry when
he earned his medals.
You Sir, are a Prevaricator! The record is clear. Obviously
you and Kerry are either soul mates or lovers. The first lovers
spat you have and your tune will change. Are you still attending >>>>>>> Marxist lerarning sessions with Kerry? After all he was/is
President of the Communist financed "Veterans Against The
Vietnam War".
Anyone with any sense was against the Vietnam war.
58,220 U.S. military fatal casualties to achieve what, exactly?
The American Democrat party is in competition with the French, to
see how many of their own people they can kill with ineptness and
idiotic defense only rules of engagement before totally surrending
in shame.
   What did America gain from Eisenhower
getting us involved in Vietnam?
Truman had advisors in Nam 1949.
No, you fucking liar, he didn't.
Don't know about advisors, but Truman did support the French over the
Ho Chi Min in Indochina.
On 6/29/2022 9:21 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:actually
bob user <bobuser@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:XnsAEC5787AC7070CXD305@0.0.0.0:
On 29 Jun 2022, Klaus Schadenfreude
<klaus.schadenfreude.entfernen.@gmail.com> posted some
news:962pbh9avho71a92mo7314fmvgo0fnaaij@4ax.com:
On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 12:15:18 -0500, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com>
wrote:
On 6/28/2022 9:43 AM, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
Zinger <Zinger@BadS0Sad.com> wrote:
Oh...Was he in someone else's Navy? I can believe that.
Of the 200 Swiftboaters who signed against Kerry, only one
andserved with him and that one was not with Kerry when he earned his >>>>>> medals.
You Sir, are a Prevaricator! The record is clear. Obviously you
haveKerry are either soul mates or lovers. The first lovers spat you
lerarningand your tune will change. Are you still attending Marxist
sessions with Kerry? After all he was/is President of the Communist
financed "Veterans Against The Vietnam War".
Anyone with any sense was against the Vietnam war.
58,220 U.S. military fatal casualties to achieve what, exactly?
The American Democrat party is in competition with the French, to see
how many of their own people they can kill with ineptness and idiotic
defense only rules of engagement before totally surrending in shame.
What did America gain from Eisenhower
getting us involved in Vietnam?
Truman had advisors in Nam 1949. Eisenhower had no input other then to
advise the Democrats not to get into a tangle with Jungle guerilla's in Asia...Vietnam.
PaxPerPoten <PPP@USA.org> wrote in news:t9l6c5$21c6s$1@dont-email.me:
On 6/29/2022 9:21 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:actually
bob user <bobuser@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:XnsAEC5787AC7070CXD305@0.0.0.0:
On 29 Jun 2022, Klaus Schadenfreude
<klaus.schadenfreude.entfernen.@gmail.com> posted some
news:962pbh9avho71a92mo7314fmvgo0fnaaij@4ax.com:
On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 12:15:18 -0500, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com>
wrote:
On 6/28/2022 9:43 AM, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
Zinger <Zinger@BadS0Sad.com> wrote:
Oh...Was he in someone else's Navy? I can believe that.
Of the 200 Swiftboaters who signed against Kerry, only one
andserved with him and that one was not with Kerry when he earned his >>>>>>> medals.
You Sir, are a Prevaricator! The record is clear. Obviously you
haveKerry are either soul mates or lovers. The first lovers spat you
lerarningand your tune will change. Are you still attending Marxist
sessions with Kerry? After all he was/is President of the Communist >>>>>> financed "Veterans Against The Vietnam War".
Anyone with any sense was against the Vietnam war.
58,220 U.S. military fatal casualties to achieve what, exactly?
The American Democrat party is in competition with the French, to see
how many of their own people they can kill with ineptness and idiotic
defense only rules of engagement before totally surrending in shame.
What did America gain from Eisenhower
getting us involved in Vietnam?
Truman had advisors in Nam 1949. Eisenhower had no input other then to
advise the Democrats not to get into a tangle with Jungle guerilla's in
Asia...Vietnam.
When the Vietnamese kicked out the French
in 1954 America had no role in the country.
By the time Ike left office Vietnam was
partitioned, S. Vietnam was was full of
American troops, it had an American
committment, an American embassy, and was a
client state. Even Ike admitted his role in
starting the war.
"President Eisenhower's Memoires, Mandate for Change, page
372, shows that he believed Ho Chi Minh would have won any
free election in Vietnam in 1956. This is certainly why the
U.S. did not permit such an election, though the Geneva
Convention of 1954 required it."
http://www.chss.montclair.edu/English/furr/ike1.html
David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote in news:V8qdnZD1VeWmoCP_nZ2dnUU7-dPNnZ2d@giganews.com:
On 6/30/22 17:05, Ubiquitous wrote:
On 6/30/2022 2:59 PM, PaxPerPoten wrote:
On 6/29/2022 9:21 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
bob user <bobuser@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:XnsAEC5787AC7070CXD305@0.0.0.0:
On 29 Jun 2022, Klaus Schadenfreude
<klaus.schadenfreude.entfernen.@gmail.com> posted some
news:962pbh9avho71a92mo7314fmvgo0fnaaij@4ax.com:
On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 12:15:18 -0500, Leper
<Leper@MalokaiColony.com> wrote:
On 6/28/2022 9:43 AM, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
  Zinger <Zinger@BadS0Sad.com> wrote:
Oh...Was he in someone else's Navy? I can believe that.
Of the 200 Swiftboaters who signed against Kerry, only one
actually served with him and that one was not with Kerry when >>>>>>>>> he earned his medals.
You Sir, are a Prevaricator! The record is clear. Obviously
you and Kerry are either soul mates or lovers. The first lovers >>>>>>>> spat you have and your tune will change. Are you still attending >>>>>>>> Marxist lerarning sessions with Kerry? After all he was/is
President of the Communist financed "Veterans Against The
Vietnam War".
Anyone with any sense was against the Vietnam war.
58,220 U.S. military fatal casualties to achieve what, exactly?
The American Democrat party is in competition with the French, to
see how many of their own people they can kill with ineptness and
idiotic defense only rules of engagement before totally surrending >>>>>> in shame.
   What did America gain from Eisenhower
getting us involved in Vietnam?
Truman had advisors in Nam 1949.
No, you fucking liar, he didn't.
Don't know about advisors, but Truman did support the French over the
Ho Chi Min in Indochina.
The Vietnamese kicked out the French in
1954. At that point it was their country.
It was Ike who helped divide the country
and then cancelled the unification election
that even the Geneva Convention ordered to
take place.
As in Iran, as in Guatemala, Ike's support
for dictatorship over democracy came back to
haunt us.
I heard he was invited to be guest speaker at a Seal reunion
and went into hiding.
The Vietnamese kicked out the French in
1954. At that point it was their country.
It was Ike who helped divide the country
and then cancelled the unification election
that even the Geneva Convention ordered to
take place.
As in Iran, as in Guatemala, Ike's support
for dictatorship over democracy came back to
haunt us.
Truman had advisors in Nam 1949. Eisenhower had no input other then to
advise the Democrats not to get into a tangle with Jungle guerilla's in >Asia...Vietnam. JFK was President and was pulling America away from that >mess. He accidentally got a Democrat bullet in the head and his >predicesser(sp), being a War profiteer sucked us into that fucking hole.
The Johnson Family personally profited over $4 Billion dollars in it.
Democrats have presided over ever war since after the Spanish American
war. We have also never had one year in all that time, that American
Military has not been involved in armed conflict and sent our dead sons
and daughters home.
On 6/30/22 17:05, Ubiquitous wrote:
On 6/30/2022 2:59 PM, PaxPerPoten wrote:
On 6/29/2022 9:21 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
bob user <bobuser@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:XnsAEC5787AC7070CXD305@0.0.0.0:
On 29 Jun 2022, Klaus Schadenfreude
<klaus.schadenfreude.entfernen.@gmail.com> posted some
news:962pbh9avho71a92mo7314fmvgo0fnaaij@4ax.com:
On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 12:15:18 -0500, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com> >>>>>> wrote:
On 6/28/2022 9:43 AM, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
Zinger <Zinger@BadS0Sad.com> wrote:
Oh...Was he in someone else's Navy? I can believe that.
Of the 200 Swiftboaters who signed against Kerry, only one actually >>>>>>>> served with him and that one was not with Kerry when he earned his >>>>>>>> medals.
You Sir, are a Prevaricator! The record is clear. Obviously you and >>>>>>> Kerry are either soul mates or lovers. The first lovers spat you have >>>>>>> and your tune will change. Are you still attending Marxist lerarning >>>>>>> sessions with Kerry? After all he was/is President of the Communist >>>>>>> financed "Veterans Against The Vietnam War".
Anyone with any sense was against the Vietnam war.
58,220 U.S. military fatal casualties to achieve what, exactly?
The American Democrat party is in competition with the French, to see >>>>> how many of their own people they can kill with ineptness and idiotic >>>>> defense only rules of engagement before totally surrending in shame. >>>>>
What did America gain from Eisenhower
getting us involved in Vietnam?
Truman had advisors in Nam 1949.
No, you fucking liar, he didn't.
Don't know about advisors, but Truman did support the French over the Ho
Chi Min in Indochina.
As in Iran, as in Guatemala, Ike's support
for dictatorship over democracy came back to
haunt us.
The situation was much more nuanced than you appear to believe.
On 6/30/22 21:39, Mitchell Holman wrote:
PaxPerPoten <PPP@USA.org> wrote in news:t9l6c5$21c6s$1@dont-email.me:
On 6/29/2022 9:21 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:actually
bob user <bobuser@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:XnsAEC5787AC7070CXD305@0.0.0.0:
On 29 Jun 2022, Klaus Schadenfreude
<klaus.schadenfreude.entfernen.@gmail.com> posted some
news:962pbh9avho71a92mo7314fmvgo0fnaaij@4ax.com:
On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 12:15:18 -0500, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com> >>>>>> wrote:
On 6/28/2022 9:43 AM, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
   Zinger <Zinger@BadS0Sad.com> wrote:
Oh...Was he in someone else's Navy? I can believe that.
Of the 200 Swiftboaters who signed against Kerry, only one
andserved with him and that one was not with Kerry when he earned his >>>>>>>> medals.
You Sir, are a Prevaricator! The record is clear. Obviously you
haveKerry are either soul mates or lovers. The first lovers spat you
lerarningand your tune will change. Are you still attending Marxist
sessions with Kerry? After all he was/is President of the Communist >>>>>>> financed "Veterans Against The Vietnam War".
Anyone with any sense was against the Vietnam war.
58,220 U.S. military fatal casualties to achieve what, exactly?
The American Democrat party is in competition with the French, to see >>>>> how many of their own people they can kill with ineptness and idiotic >>>>> defense only rules of engagement before totally surrending in shame. >>>>>
    What did America gain from Eisenhower
getting us involved in Vietnam?
Truman had advisors in Nam 1949. Eisenhower had no input other then to
advise the Democrats not to get into a tangle with Jungle guerilla's in
Asia...Vietnam.
   When the Vietnamese kicked out the French
in 1954 America had no role in the country.
By the time Ike left office Vietnam was
partitioned, S. Vietnam was was full of
American troops, it had an American
committment, an American embassy, and was a
client state. Even Ike admitted his role in
starting the war.
On 31 December 1960 there was a total of 900 US military in South Vietnam.
"President Eisenhower's Memoires, Mandate for Change, page
372, shows that he believed Ho Chi Minh would have won any
free election in Vietnam in 1956. This is certainly why the
U.S. did not permit such an election, though the Geneva
Convention of 1954 required it."
http://www.chss.montclair.edu/English/furr/ike1.html
South Vietnam and the USA were not signers of the 1954 accords
On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 05:38:54 -0500, David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com>
wrote:
As in Iran, as in Guatemala, Ike's support
for dictatorship over democracy came back to
haunt us.
The situation was much more nuanced than you appear to believe.
Which does nothing to change the fact that the US, largely through CIA action, deposed a democratically elected ruler in Iran and installed a hereditary monarch.
Why weren't you in country Sonny. Bless your Brother and may he
always have a good tail wind.
On 7/1/22 08:50, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 05:38:54 -0500, David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com>
wrote:
   As in Iran, as in Guatemala, Ike's support
for dictatorship over democracy came back to
haunt us.
The situation was much more nuanced than you appear to believe.
Which does nothing to change the fact that the US, largely through CIA
action, deposed a democratically elected ruler in Iran and installed a
hereditary monarch.
You may want to recheck your facts.
In article <V8qdnZD1VeWmoCP_nZ2dnUU7-dPNnZ2d@giganews.com>,
David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
Don't know about advisors, but Truman did support the French over the Ho
Chi Min in Indochina.
Yeah, Truman was stupid and missed another opportunity. But he
didn't aid the french against the vietnamese revolution. It was
Eisenhower that decided to save Vietnam from itself and got us in
another long republican war.
On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 05:38:54 -0500, David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com>
wrote:
As in Iran, as in Guatemala, Ike's support
for dictatorship over democracy came back to
haunt us.
The situation was much more nuanced than you appear to believe.
Which does nothing to change the fact that the US, largely through CIA action, deposed a democratically elected ruler in Iran and installed a hereditary monarch.
Swill
David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote in news:V8qdnZD1VeWmoCP_nZ2dnUU7-dPNnZ2d@giganews.com:
On 6/30/22 17:05, Ubiquitous wrote:
On 6/30/2022 2:59 PM, PaxPerPoten wrote:
On 6/29/2022 9:21 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
bob user <bobuser@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:XnsAEC5787AC7070CXD305@0.0.0.0:
On 29 Jun 2022, Klaus Schadenfreude
<klaus.schadenfreude.entfernen.@gmail.com> posted some
news:962pbh9avho71a92mo7314fmvgo0fnaaij@4ax.com:
On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 12:15:18 -0500, Leper
<Leper@MalokaiColony.com> wrote:
On 6/28/2022 9:43 AM, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
  Zinger <Zinger@BadS0Sad.com> wrote:
Oh...Was he in someone else's Navy? I can believe that.
Of the 200 Swiftboaters who signed against Kerry, only one
actually served with him and that one was not with Kerry when >>>>>>>>> he earned his medals.
You Sir, are a Prevaricator! The record is clear. Obviously
you and Kerry are either soul mates or lovers. The first lovers >>>>>>>> spat you have and your tune will change. Are you still attending >>>>>>>> Marxist lerarning sessions with Kerry? After all he was/is
President of the Communist financed "Veterans Against The
Vietnam War".
Anyone with any sense was against the Vietnam war.
58,220 U.S. military fatal casualties to achieve what, exactly?
The American Democrat party is in competition with the French, to
see how many of their own people they can kill with ineptness and
idiotic defense only rules of engagement before totally surrending >>>>>> in shame.
   What did America gain from Eisenhower
getting us involved in Vietnam?
Truman had advisors in Nam 1949.
No, you fucking liar, he didn't.
Don't know about advisors, but Truman did support the French over the
Ho Chi Min in Indochina.
The Vietnamese kicked out the French in
1954. At that point it was their country.
It was Ike who helped divide the country
and then cancelled the unification election
that even the Geneva Convention ordered to
take place.
As in Iran, as in Guatemala, Ike's support
for dictatorship over democracy came back to
haunt us.
On 7/1/22 08:50, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 05:38:54 -0500, David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com>
wrote:
As in Iran, as in Guatemala, Ike's support
for dictatorship over democracy came back to
haunt us.
The situation was much more nuanced than you appear to believe.
Which does nothing to change the fact that the US, largely through CIA
action, deposed a democratically elected ruler in Iran and installed a
hereditary monarch.
You may want to recheck your facts.
On Thu, 30 Jun 2022 21:42:59 -0500, Mitchell Holman
<noemail@verizon.net> wrote:
The Vietnamese kicked out the French in
1954. At that point it was their country.
It was Ike who helped divide the country
and then cancelled the unification election
that even the Geneva Convention ordered to
take place.
As in Iran, as in Guatemala, Ike's support
for dictatorship over democracy came back to
haunt us.
NIxon, Chile.
Swill
On Thu, 30 Jun 2022 17:16:45 -0500, in talk.politics.guns Zinger <Zinger@BadS0Sad.com> wrote:
Why weren't you in country Sonny. Bless your Brother and may he
always have a good tail wind.
I didn't say one way or the other about being "in country". If I did,
then doing so would have been called an "appeal to authority".
If you drove a pig in 'Nam, then you're likely an Aussie. I know we technically had them; however, they were mostly an Oz show... seems
like the Aussies had a squadron of them based at Vung Tau or Nui Dat.nn
My point, however, was that Kerry's medals were all legally awarded by
the Navy.
important to me. I wasn't with him and, I suspect, neither were you. (Further, I strongly suspect that neither were the "Swift Boat
Veterans".)
I don't like Kerry's politics. If he's going to make a big public
show of throwing his medals over the fence, then he should leave 'em
there. *If* I were a veteran of the Vietnam war, I would never
advertise it. My hero is Tim O'Brian.
On Thu, 30 Jun 2022 17:16:45 -0500, Zinger <Zinger@BadS0Sad.com>
wrote:
I heard he was invited to be guest speaker at a Seal reunion
and went into hiding.
I heard that when you fuck my mama, I suck off my dad at the
same time.
Do you still fuck both of my parents?
Swill
On Thu, 30 Jun 2022 16:59:31 -0500, PaxPerPoten <PPP@USA.org> wrote:
Truman had advisors in Nam 1949. Eisenhower had no input other then to
advise the Democrats not to get into a tangle with Jungle guerilla's in
Asia...Vietnam. JFK was President and was pulling America away from that
mess. He accidentally got a Democrat bullet in the head and his
predicesser(sp), being a War profiteer sucked us into that fucking hole.
The Johnson Family personally profited over $4 Billion dollars in it.
Prove it.
Democrats have presided over ever war since after the Spanish American
war. We have also never had one year in all that time, that American
Military has not been involved in armed conflict and sent our dead sons
and daughters home.
All bullshit. I bet you think Kennedy's assassination was a
conspiracy and Elvis isn't really dead.
Swill
On 7/1/2022 7:04 AM, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/1/22 08:50, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 05:38:54 -0500, David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com>
wrote:
   As in Iran, as in Guatemala, Ike's support
for dictatorship over democracy came back to
haunt us.
The situation was much more nuanced than you appear to believe.
Which does nothing to change the fact that the US, largely through CIA
action, deposed a democratically elected ruler in Iran and installed a
hereditary monarch.
You may want to recheck your facts.
He has them exactly correct.
President Eisenhower left office in 1961.
David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote in news:uJqdnYo1jPJzYyP_nZ2dnUU7- QnNnZ2d@giganews.com:
On 7/1/22 08:50, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 05:38:54 -0500, David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com>
wrote:
As in Iran, as in Guatemala, Ike's support
for dictatorship over democracy came back to
haunt us.
The situation was much more nuanced than you appear to believe.
Which does nothing to change the fact that the US, largely through CIA
action, deposed a democratically elected ruler in Iran and installed a
hereditary monarch.
You may want to recheck your facts.
Swill is right, you are wrong.
The 1953 Iranian coup d'état, known in Iran as
the 28 Mordad coup d'état was the overthrow of
the democratically elected Prime Minister
Mohammad Mosaddegh in favor of strengthening
the monarchical rule of the Shah, Mohammad Reza
Pahlavi on 19 August 1953. It was orchestrated
by the United States
https://www.britannica.com/event/1953-coup-in-Iran
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_cou
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/cia-assisted-coup-overthrows- government-of-iran
https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat
Actually his commanding officer stated at the investigation that the >recommendations were not written by command authority. But the row it
would raise in the Jewish community would be horrific. Please note that
his discharge was released many years later when he had attained Senator >Heinzes seat.
On 7/1/22 09:15, Rudy Canoza wrote:
On 7/1/2022 7:04 AM, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/1/22 08:50, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 05:38:54 -0500, David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com>
wrote:
   As in Iran, as in Guatemala, Ike's support
for dictatorship over democracy came back to
haunt us.
The situation was much more nuanced than you appear to believe.
Which does nothing to change the fact that the US, largely through CIA >>>> action, deposed a democratically elected ruler in Iran and installed a >>>> hereditary monarch.
You may want to recheck your facts.
He has them exactly correct.
Like I said, recheck your facts.
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Mohammad-Mosaddegh
On 7/1/22 13:39, Mitchell Holman wrote:
David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote in news:uJqdnYo1jPJzYyP_nZ2dnUU7-
QnNnZ2d@giganews.com:
On 7/1/22 08:50, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 05:38:54 -0500, David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com>
wrote:
    As in Iran, as in Guatemala, Ike's support
for dictatorship over democracy came back to
haunt us.
The situation was much more nuanced than you appear to believe.
Which does nothing to change the fact that the US, largely through CIA >>>> action, deposed a democratically elected ruler in Iran and installed a >>>> hereditary monarch.
You may want to recheck your facts.
    Swill is right, you are wrong.
The 1953 Iranian coup d'état, known in Iran as
the 28 Mordad coup d'état was the overthrow of
the democratically elected Prime Minister
Mohammad Mosaddegh in favor of strengthening
the monarchical rule of the Shah, Mohammad Reza
Pahlavi on 19 August 1953. It was orchestrated
by the United States
https://www.britannica.com/event/1953-coup-in-Iran
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_cou
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/cia-assisted-coup-overthrows-
government-of-iran
https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/cia-assisted-coup-overthrows-government-of-iran
[...]
Mosaddeq came to prominence in Iran in 1951 when he was appointed premier.
Nope...WO on an Aardvark. General Dynamics.
On 7/1/2022 8:30 AM, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jun 2022 17:16:45 -0500, Zinger <Zinger@BadS0Sad.com>
wrote:
I heard he was invited to be guest speaker at a Seal reunion
and went into hiding.
I heard that when you fuck my mama, I suck off my dad at the
same time.
Do you still fuck both of my parents?
Swill
Apparently you still have your head stuck up to Dog's ass. Say hi to
Rudy while you re there.
My point, however, was that Kerry's medals were all legally awarded by
the Navy. Now, whether or not you think they should have been isn't >important to me. I wasn't with him and, I suspect, neither were you. >(Further, I strongly suspect that neither were the "Swift Boat
Veterans".)
On 7/1/22 08:50, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 05:38:54 -0500, David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com>
wrote:
As in Iran, as in Guatemala, Ike's support
for dictatorship over democracy came back to
haunt us.
The situation was much more nuanced than you appear to believe.
Which does nothing to change the fact that the US, largely through CIA
action, deposed a democratically elected ruler in Iran and installed a
hereditary monarch.
You may want to recheck your facts.
The nationalization resulted in a deepening crisis in Iran, both
Actually I believe you think that you are *Elvis*. I would be interested
in your version of JFK's firearms event.
On 7/1/22 13:39, Mitchell Holman wrote:
David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote in
news:uJqdnYo1jPJzYyP_nZ2dnUU7- QnNnZ2d@giganews.com:
On 7/1/22 08:50, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 05:38:54 -0500, David Hartung
<david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
As in Iran, as in Guatemala, Ike's support
for dictatorship over democracy came back to
haunt us.
The situation was much more nuanced than you appear to believe.
Which does nothing to change the fact that the US, largely through
CIA action, deposed a democratically elected ruler in Iran and
installed a hereditary monarch.
You may want to recheck your facts.
Swill is right, you are wrong.
The 1953 Iranian coup d'état, known in Iran as
the 28 Mordad coup d'état was the overthrow of
the democratically elected Prime Minister
Mohammad Mosaddegh in favor of strengthening
the monarchical rule of the Shah, Mohammad Reza
Pahlavi on 19 August 1953. It was orchestrated
by the United States
https://www.britannica.com/event/1953-coup-in-Iran
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_cou
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/cia-assisted-coup-overthro
ws- government-of-iran
https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A
9tat
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/cia-assisted-coup-overthrow s-government-of-iran [...]
Mosaddeq came to prominence in Iran in 1951 when he was appointed
premier. [...]
On 7/1/22 09:15, Rudy Canoza wrote:
On 7/1/2022 7:04 AM, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/1/22 08:50, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 05:38:54 -0500, David Hartung
<david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
   As in Iran, as in Guatemala, Ike's support
for dictatorship over democracy came back to
haunt us.
The situation was much more nuanced than you appear to believe.
Which does nothing to change the fact that the US, largely through
CIA action, deposed a democratically elected ruler in Iran and
installed a hereditary monarch.
You may want to recheck your facts.
He has them exactly correct.
Like I said, recheck your facts.
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Mohammad-Mosaddegh
[...]
Mosaddegh reentered public service in 1944, following Reza Shah’s
forced abdication in 1941, and was elected again to the Majles. An
outspoken advocate of nationalism, he soon played a leading part in successfully opposing the grant to the Soviet Union of an oil
concession for northern Iran similar to an existing British concession
in southern Iran. He built considerable political strength, based
largely on his call to nationalize the concession and installations in
Iran of the British-owned Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (see British
Petroleum Company PLC). In March 1951 the Majles passed his oil-nationalization act, and his power had grown so great that the
shah, Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi, was virtually forced to appoint him premier.
The nationalization resulted in a deepening crisis in Iran, both
politically and economically. Mosaddegh and his National Front Party continued to gain power but alienated many supporters, particularly
among the ruling elite and in the Western nations. The British soon
withdrew completely from the Iranian oil market, and economic problems increased when Mosaddegh could not readily find alternate oil markets.
A continuing struggle for control of the Iranian government developed
between Mosaddegh and the shah. In August 1953, when the shah
attempted to dismiss the premier, mobs of Mosaddegh followers took to
the streets and forced the shah to leave the country. Within a few
days, however, Mosaddegh’s opponents overthrew his regime and
restored the shah to power in a coup orchestrated by the U.S. and
Great Britain. Mosaddegh was sentenced to three years’ imprisonment
for treason and, after he had served his sentence, was kept under
house arrest for the rest of his life. [...]
There is much more to this situation than is generally known by
Americans, including you.
On 6/30/2022 9:42 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:attending
David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote in
news:V8qdnZD1VeWmoCP_nZ2dnUU7-dPNnZ2d@giganews.com:
On 6/30/22 17:05, Ubiquitous wrote:
On 6/30/2022 2:59 PM, PaxPerPoten wrote:
On 6/29/2022 9:21 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
bob user <bobuser@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:XnsAEC5787AC7070CXD305@0.0.0.0:
On 29 Jun 2022, Klaus Schadenfreude
<klaus.schadenfreude.entfernen.@gmail.com> posted some
news:962pbh9avho71a92mo7314fmvgo0fnaaij@4ax.com:
On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 12:15:18 -0500, Leper
<Leper@MalokaiColony.com> wrote:
On 6/28/2022 9:43 AM, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
  Zinger <Zinger@BadS0Sad.com> wrote:
Oh...Was he in someone else's Navy? I can believe that.
Of the 200 Swiftboaters who signed against Kerry, only one >>>>>>>>>> actually served with him and that one was not with Kerry when >>>>>>>>>> he earned his medals.
You Sir, are a Prevaricator! The record is clear. Obviously >>>>>>>>> you and Kerry are either soul mates or lovers. The first lovers >>>>>>>>> spat you have and your tune will change. Are you still
surrendingThe American Democrat party is in competition with the French, to >>>>>>> see how many of their own people they can kill with ineptness and >>>>>>> idiotic defense only rules of engagement before totallyMarxist lerarning sessions with Kerry? After all he was/is
President of the Communist financed "Veterans Against The
Vietnam War".
Anyone with any sense was against the Vietnam war.
58,220 U.S. military fatal casualties to achieve what, exactly? >>>>>>>
andin shame.
   What did America gain from Eisenhower
getting us involved in Vietnam?
Truman had advisors in Nam 1949.
No, you fucking liar, he didn't.
Don't know about advisors, but Truman did support the French over the
Ho Chi Min in Indochina.
The Vietnamese kicked out the French in
1954. At that point it was their country.
It was Ike who helped divide the country
and then cancelled the unification election
that even the Geneva Convention ordered to
take place.
As in Iran, as in Guatemala, Ike's support
for dictatorship over democracy came back to
haunt us.
Drugged up again Holman? Truman refused to help Ho Chi Min in 1947. Ho begged for help in making France honor the Vietnam independence
agreement. Ho Went to the Russians. Degaul is the fellow that blocked
any votes in Nam and with military force. Eisenhower detested Degaul
totally refused to get the USA involve an such a tawdry mess.
David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote in news:ueidne-ljMx6wCL_nZ2dnUU7-avNnZ2d@giganews.com:
On 7/1/22 09:15, Rudy Canoza wrote:
On 7/1/2022 7:04 AM, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/1/22 08:50, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 05:38:54 -0500, David Hartung
<david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
   As in Iran, as in Guatemala, Ike's support
for dictatorship over democracy came back to
haunt us.
The situation was much more nuanced than you appear to believe.
Which does nothing to change the fact that the US, largely through
CIA action, deposed a democratically elected ruler in Iran and
installed a hereditary monarch.
You may want to recheck your facts.
He has them exactly correct.
Like I said, recheck your facts.
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Mohammad-Mosaddegh
[...]
Mosaddegh reentered public service in 1944, following Reza Shah’s
forced abdication in 1941, and was elected again to the Majles. An
outspoken advocate of nationalism, he soon played a leading part in
successfully opposing the grant to the Soviet Union of an oil
concession for northern Iran similar to an existing British concession
in southern Iran. He built considerable political strength, based
largely on his call to nationalize the concession and installations in
Iran of the British-owned Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (see British
Petroleum Company PLC). In March 1951 the Majles passed his
oil-nationalization act, and his power had grown so great that the
shah, Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi, was virtually forced to appoint him
premier.
The nationalization resulted in a deepening crisis in Iran, both
politically and economically. Mosaddegh and his National Front Party
continued to gain power but alienated many supporters, particularly
among the ruling elite and in the Western nations. The British soon
withdrew completely from the Iranian oil market, and economic problems
increased when Mosaddegh could not readily find alternate oil markets.
A continuing struggle for control of the Iranian government developed
between Mosaddegh and the shah. In August 1953, when the shah
attempted to dismiss the premier, mobs of Mosaddegh followers took to
the streets and forced the shah to leave the country. Within a few
days, however, Mosaddegh’s opponents overthrew his regime and
restored the shah to power in a coup orchestrated by the U.S. and
Great Britain. Mosaddegh was sentenced to three years’ imprisonment
for treason and, after he had served his sentence, was kept under
house arrest for the rest of his life. [...]
There is much more to this situation than is generally known by
Americans, including you.
From your own post:
"Mosaddeghs opponents overthrew
his regime and restored the shah to power
in a coup orchestrated by the U.S."
My point here is that the entire situation is far ore complex and
nuanced that you or anyone else seem to want to believe.
On 7/1/22 20:59, Mitchell Holman wrote:
David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote in
news:ueidne-ljMx6wCL_nZ2dnUU7-avNnZ2d@giganews.com:
On 7/1/22 09:15, Rudy Canoza wrote:
On 7/1/2022 7:04 AM, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/1/22 08:50, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 05:38:54 -0500, David Hartung
<david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
    As in Iran, as in Guatemala, Ike's support
for dictatorship over democracy came back to
haunt us.
The situation was much more nuanced than you appear to believe.
Which does nothing to change the fact that the US, largely through >>>>>> CIA action, deposed a democratically elected ruler in Iran and
installed a hereditary monarch.
You may want to recheck your facts.
He has them exactly correct.
Like I said, recheck your facts.
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Mohammad-Mosaddegh
[...]
Mosaddegh reentered public service in 1944, following Reza Shah’s
forced abdication in 1941, and was elected again to the Majles. An
outspoken advocate of nationalism, he soon played a leading part in
successfully opposing the grant to the Soviet Union of an oil
concession for northern Iran similar to an existing British concession
in southern Iran. He built considerable political strength, based
largely on his call to nationalize the concession and installations in
Iran of the British-owned Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (see British
Petroleum Company PLC). In March 1951 the Majles passed his
oil-nationalization act, and his power had grown so great that the
shah, Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi, was virtually forced to appoint him
premier.
The nationalization resulted in a deepening crisis in Iran, both
politically and economically. Mosaddegh and his National Front Party
continued to gain power but alienated many supporters, particularly
among the ruling elite and in the Western nations. The British soon
withdrew completely from the Iranian oil market, and economic problems
increased when Mosaddegh could not readily find alternate oil markets.
A continuing struggle for control of the Iranian government developed
between Mosaddegh and the shah. In August 1953, when the shah
attempted to dismiss the premier, mobs of Mosaddegh followers took to
the streets and forced the shah to leave the country. Within a few
days, however, Mosaddegh’s opponents overthrew his regime and
restored the shah to power in a coup orchestrated by the U.S. and
Great Britain. Mosaddegh was sentenced to three years’ imprisonment
for treason and, after he had served his sentence, was kept under
house arrest for the rest of his life. [...]
There is much more to this situation than is generally known by
Americans, including you.
      From your own post:
      "Mosaddeghs opponents overthrew
his regime and restored the shah to power
in a coup orchestrated by the U.S."
The Shah held his post rightfully
In article <dYKdnUQBkK_7KiL_nZ2dnUU7-X_NnZ2d@giganews.com>,
David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
My point here is that the entire situation is far ore complex and
nuanced that you or anyone else seem to want to believe.
Under the principle of national sovereignity republican hold
sacred except for everyone else, iran's situation was for iran to
resolve.
They weren't. Of the 200 who signed the document against Kerry only a
small number served at the same time and place as Kerry and only ONE
served with him but was not present on any of Kerry's medal earning >occasions.
Under the principle of national sovereignity republican hold
sacred except for everyone else, iran's situation was for iran to
resolve.
On that you may be correct, but that doesn't change the fact that the situation was probably not as simple as it has been made out to be in
On 7/2/22 01:11, Siri Cruise wrote:
In article <dYKdnUQBkK_7KiL_nZ2dnUU7-X_NnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
My point here is that the entire situation is far ore complex and
nuanced that you or anyone else seem to want to believe.
Under the principle of national sovereignity republican hold
sacred except for everyone else, iran's situation was for iran to
resolve.
On that you may be correct, but that doesn't change the fact that the situation
was probably not as simple as it has been made out to be in this discussion.
On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 14:38:35 -0500, in talk.politics.guns Zinger <Zinger@BadS0Sad.com> wrote:
Nope...WO on an Aardvark. General Dynamics.
Yes, I know what they are. The Aussies called 'em "pigs"... something
to do with their terrain radar. And a UH-1 is an "Iroquois", but if
you called it that, nobody would know what you were talking about.
In article <28idnQJelrLJul3_nZ2dnUU7-VnNnZ2d@giganews.com>,
David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
Under the principle of national sovereignity republican hold
sacred except for everyone else, iran's situation was for iran to
resolve.
On that you may be correct, but that doesn't change the fact that the
situation was probably not as simple as it has been made out to be in
And you continue to make excuses for imperialism. Under
principles we claim are so important iran gets to deal with
iran's issues, not Eisenhower.
On 7/2/2022 4:09 AM, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/2/22 01:11, Siri Cruise wrote:
In article <dYKdnUQBkK_7KiL_nZ2dnUU7-X_NnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
My point here is that the entire situation is far ore complex and
nuanced that you or anyone else seem to want to believe.
Under the principle of national sovereignity republican hold
sacred except for everyone else, iran's situation was for iran to
resolve.
On that you may be correct, but that doesn't change the fact that the
situation was probably not as simple as it has been made out to be in
this discussion.
It was *exactly* that simple. Mossadegh was the democratically elected prime minister of Iran, and the US and UK fomented a coup to throw him
out and make the shah a dictator in order to rape the country and steal
its oil. It was exactly that simple.
On 7/2/22 12:46, Rudy Canoza wrote:
On 7/2/2022 4:09 AM, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/2/22 01:11, Siri Cruise wrote:
In article <dYKdnUQBkK_7KiL_nZ2dnUU7-X_NnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
My point here is that the entire situation is far ore complex and
nuanced that you or anyone else seem to want to believe.
Under the principle of national sovereignity republican hold
sacred except for everyone else, iran's situation was for iran to
resolve.
On that you may be correct, but that doesn't change the fact that the
situation was probably not as simple as it has been made out to be in this >>> discussion.
It was *exactly* that simple. Mossadegh was the democratically elected prime
minister of Iran, and the US and UK fomented a coup to throw him out and make
the shah a dictator in order to rape the country and steal its oil. It was >> exactly that simple.
Actually it isn't,
On 7/2/22 12:44, Siri Cruise wrote:
In article <28idnQJelrLJul3_nZ2dnUU7-VnNnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
Under the principle of national sovereignity republican hold
sacred except for everyone else, iran's situation was for iran to
resolve.
On that you may be correct, but that doesn't change the fact that the
situation was probably not as simple as it has been made out to be in
And you continue to make excuses for imperialism. Under
principles we claim are so important iran gets to deal with
iran's issues, not Eisenhower.
No excuse,
The Shah held his post rightfully according to the Iranian constitution.
My point here is that the entire situation is far ore complex and
nuanced that you or anyone else seem to want to believe.
On 7/2/22 01:11, Siri Cruise wrote:
In article <dYKdnUQBkK_7KiL_nZ2dnUU7-X_NnZ2d@giganews.com>,
David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
My point here is that the entire situation is far ore complex and
nuanced that you or anyone else seem to want to believe.
Under the principle of national sovereignity republican hold
sacred except for everyone else, iran's situation was for iran to
resolve.
On that you may be correct, but that doesn't change the fact that the >situation was probably not as simple as it has been made out to be in
this discussion.
On 7/2/2022 3:36 PM, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/2/22 12:44, Siri Cruise wrote:
In article <28idnQJelrLJul3_nZ2dnUU7-VnNnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
Under the principle of national sovereignity republican hold
sacred except for everyone else, iran's situation was for iran to
resolve.
On that you may be correct, but that doesn't change the fact that the
situation was probably not as simple as it has been made out to be in
And you continue to make excuses for imperialism. Under
principles we claim are so important iran gets to deal with
iran's issues, not Eisenhower.
No excuse,
Yes, you're making excuses.
No excuse, just trying to understand the reasoning of the leadership of
the day.
On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 22:11:33 -0500, David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com>
wrote:
The Shah held his post rightfully according to the Iranian constitution.
My point here is that the entire situation is far ore complex and
nuanced that you or anyone else seem to want to believe.
But nothing changes the fact that CIA operatives successfully took an
elected official out of power, into jail, and empowered a dictator.
On 7/2/22 18:32, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 22:11:33 -0500, David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com>
wrote:
The Shah held his post rightfully according to the Iranian constitution. >>>
My point here is that the entire situation is far ore complex and
nuanced that you or anyone else seem to want to believe.
But nothing changes the fact that CIA operatives successfully took an
elected official out of power, into jail, and empowered a dictator.
https://irandataportal.syr.edu/wp-content/uploads/iran1925.pdf
If I read the above correctly, government ministers (including the prime minister) were appointed by the Shah (article 46):
On 7/2/2022 6:31 PM, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/2/22 18:32, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 22:11:33 -0500, David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com>
wrote:
The Shah held his post rightfully according to the Iranian
constitution.
My point here is that the entire situation is far ore complex and
nuanced that you or anyone else seem to want to believe.
But nothing changes the fact that CIA operatives successfully took an
elected official out of power, into jail, and empowered a dictator.
https://irandataportal.syr.edu/wp-content/uploads/iran1925.pdf
If I read the above correctly, government ministers (including the
prime minister) were appointed by the Shah (article 46):
Fuck off. Like the UK monarch appointing the prime minister of the UK,
the shah appointed the person the parliament *told* him to appoint. The shah could not appoint whomever he wanted. He did as he was instructed
to do. That's how all parliamentary systems work, you fucking shitbag.
The parliament elected the prime minister.
On 7/2/22 22:18, Rudy Canoza wrote:
On 7/2/2022 6:31 PM, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/2/22 18:32, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 22:11:33 -0500, David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com>
wrote:
The Shah held his post rightfully according to the Iranian
constitution.
My point here is that the entire situation is far ore complex and
nuanced that you or anyone else seem to want to believe.
But nothing changes the fact that CIA operatives successfully took an
elected official out of power, into jail, and empowered a dictator.
https://irandataportal.syr.edu/wp-content/uploads/iran1925.pdf
If I read the above correctly, government ministers (including the
prime minister) were appointed by the Shah (article 46):
Fuck off. Like the UK monarch appointing the prime minister of the
UK, the shah appointed the person the parliament *told* him to
appoint. The shah could not appoint whomever he wanted. He did as he
was instructed to do. That's how all parliamentary systems work, you
fucking shitbag.
The parliament elected the prime minister.
That is not what the 1925 constitution says.
Rudy Canoza <notgenx33@gmail.com> wrote in >news:t%3wK.419636$zgr9.390101@fx13.iad:
On 7/2/2022 3:36 PM, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/2/22 12:44, Siri Cruise wrote:
In article <28idnQJelrLJul3_nZ2dnUU7-VnNnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
And you continue to make excuses for imperialism. UnderUnder the principle of national sovereignity republican hold
sacred except for everyone else, iran's situation was for iran to
resolve.
On that you may be correct, but that doesn't change the fact that the >>>>> situation was probably not as simple as it has been made out to be in >>>>
principles we claim are so important iran gets to deal with
iran's issues, not Eisenhower.
No excuse,
Yes, you're making excuses.
You keep putting false words in Hartung's mouth.
It was *exactly* that simple. Mossadegh was the democratically elected
prime minister of Iran, and the US and UK fomented a coup to throw him
out and make the shah a dictator in order to rape the country and steal
its oil. It was exactly that simple.
Actually it isn't, and if you had half the intelligence you claim, you
would know it.
Rudy Canoza <notgenx33@gmail.com> wrote in >news:t%3wK.419636$zgr9.390101@fx13.iad:
On 7/2/2022 3:36 PM, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/2/22 12:44, Siri Cruise wrote:
In article <28idnQJelrLJul3_nZ2dnUU7-VnNnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
And you continue to make excuses for imperialism. UnderUnder the principle of national sovereignity republican hold
sacred except for everyone else, iran's situation was for iran to
resolve.
On that you may be correct, but that doesn't change the fact that the >>>>> situation was probably not as simple as it has been made out to be in >>>>
principles we claim are so important iran gets to deal with
iran's issues, not Eisenhower.
No excuse,
Yes, you're making excuses.
You keep putting false words in Hartung's mouth.
On 7/2/22 12:44, Siri Cruise wrote:
In article <28idnQJelrLJul3_nZ2dnUU7-VnNnZ2d@giganews.com>,
David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
Under the principle of national sovereignity republican hold
sacred except for everyone else, iran's situation was for iran to
resolve.
On that you may be correct, but that doesn't change the fact that the
situation was probably not as simple as it has been made out to be in
And you continue to make excuses for imperialism. Under
principles we claim are so important iran gets to deal with
iran's issues, not Eisenhower.
No excuse, just trying to understand the reasoning of the leadership of
the day.
One wonders if a part of the problem is not that we are insisting on
viewing the situation through the lens of our western culture, and are >ignoring that Persian ideals might be much different.
On 7/2/22 18:32, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 22:11:33 -0500, David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com>
wrote:
The Shah held his post rightfully according to the Iranian constitution. >>>
My point here is that the entire situation is far ore complex and
nuanced that you or anyone else seem to want to believe.
But nothing changes the fact that CIA operatives successfully took an
elected official out of power, into jail, and empowered a dictator.
https://irandataportal.syr.edu/wp-content/uploads/iran1925.pdf
If I read the above correctly, government ministers (including the prime >minister) were appointed by the Shah (article 46):
"Art. 46. The appointment and dismissal of Ministers is effected
by virtue of the Royal Decree of the King."
Given that the Shah was the constitutional head of the government, and
given that the prime minister was appointed by the Shah, perhaps it was >Mosaddegh who was in the wrong? Just a thought.
On 7/2/22 22:18, Rudy Canoza wrote:
On 7/2/2022 6:31 PM, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/2/22 18:32, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 22:11:33 -0500, David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com>
wrote:
The Shah held his post rightfully according to the Iranian
constitution.
My point here is that the entire situation is far ore complex and
nuanced that you or anyone else seem to want to believe.
But nothing changes the fact that CIA operatives successfully took an
elected official out of power, into jail, and empowered a dictator.
https://irandataportal.syr.edu/wp-content/uploads/iran1925.pdf
If I read the above correctly, government ministers (including the
prime minister) were appointed by the Shah (article 46):
Fuck off. Like the UK monarch appointing the prime minister of the UK,
the shah appointed the person the parliament *told* him to appoint. The
shah could not appoint whomever he wanted. He did as he was instructed
to do. That's how all parliamentary systems work, you fucking shitbag.
The parliament elected the prime minister.
That is not what the 1925 constitution says.
On 7/2/22 22:18, Rudy Canoza wrote:
On 7/2/2022 6:31 PM, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/2/22 18:32, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 22:11:33 -0500, David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com>
wrote:
The Shah held his post rightfully according to the Iranian constitution. >>>>>
My point here is that the entire situation is far ore complex and
nuanced that you or anyone else seem to want to believe.
But nothing changes the fact that CIA operatives successfully took an
elected official out of power, into jail, and empowered a dictator.
https://irandataportal.syr.edu/wp-content/uploads/iran1925.pdf
If I read the above correctly, government ministers (including the prime >>> minister) were appointed by the Shah (article 46):
Fuck off. Like the UK monarch appointing the prime minister of the UK, the >> shah appointed the person the parliament *told* him to appoint. The shah >> could not appoint whomever he wanted. He did as he was instructed to do. >> That's how all parliamentary systems work, you fucking shitbag.
The parliament elected the prime minister.
That is not what the 1925 constitution says.
On 7/3/22 03:57, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/2/22 22:18, Rudy Canoza wrote:
On 7/2/2022 6:31 PM, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/2/22 18:32, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 22:11:33 -0500, David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> >>>>> wrote:
The Shah held his post rightfully according to the Iranian constitution. >>>>>>
My point here is that the entire situation is far ore complex and
nuanced that you or anyone else seem to want to believe.
But nothing changes the fact that CIA operatives successfully took an >>>>> elected official out of power, into jail, and empowered a dictator.
https://irandataportal.syr.edu/wp-content/uploads/iran1925.pdf
If I read the above correctly, government ministers (including the prime >>>> minister) were appointed by the Shah (article 46):
Fuck off. Like the UK monarch appointing the prime minister of the UK, the
shah appointed the person the parliament *told* him to appoint. The shah >>> could not appoint whomever he wanted. He did as he was instructed to do. >>> That's how all parliamentary systems work, you fucking shitbag.
The parliament elected the prime minister.
That is not what the 1925 constitution says.
One wonders if a part of the problem is not that we are insisting on viewing the
situation through the lens of our western culture,
On Sun, 3 Jul 2022 03:57:44 -0500, David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 7/2/22 22:18, Rudy Canoza wrote:
On 7/2/2022 6:31 PM, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/2/22 18:32, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 22:11:33 -0500, David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> >>>>> wrote:
The Shah held his post rightfully according to the Iranian
constitution.
My point here is that the entire situation is far ore complex and
nuanced that you or anyone else seem to want to believe.
But nothing changes the fact that CIA operatives successfully took an >>>>> elected official out of power, into jail, and empowered a dictator.
https://irandataportal.syr.edu/wp-content/uploads/iran1925.pdf
If I read the above correctly, government ministers (including the
prime minister) were appointed by the Shah (article 46):
Fuck off. Like the UK monarch appointing the prime minister of the UK,
The queen doesn't appoint the Prime Minister, idiot.
the shah appointed the person the parliament *told* him to appoint. The >>> shah could not appoint whomever he wanted. He did as he was instructed >>> to do. That's how all parliamentary systems work, you fucking shitbag. >>>
The parliament elected the prime minister.
Incorrect as usual, Rudy.
On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 17:37:56 -0500, David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com>
wrote:
It was *exactly* that simple. Mossadegh was the democratically elected >>> prime minister of Iran, and the US and UK fomented a coup to throw him
out and make the shah a dictator in order to rape the country and steal
its oil. It was exactly that simple.
Actually it isn't, and if you had half the intelligence you claim, you
would know it.
So, instead of arguing that popular knowledge is incorrect and then
running away, educate us.
Take us point by point through those nuances and explain how they
justify the US toppling a government that was elected by the People.
On 7/3/2022 2:01 AM, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/3/22 03:57, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/2/22 22:18, Rudy Canoza wrote:
On 7/2/2022 6:31 PM, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/2/22 18:32, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 22:11:33 -0500, David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> >>>>>> wrote:
The Shah held his post rightfully according to the Iranian
constitution.
My point here is that the entire situation is far ore complex and >>>>>>> nuanced that you or anyone else seem to want to believe.
But nothing changes the fact that CIA operatives successfully took an >>>>>> elected official out of power, into jail, and empowered a dictator. >>>>>
https://irandataportal.syr.edu/wp-content/uploads/iran1925.pdf
If I read the above correctly, government ministers (including the
prime minister) were appointed by the Shah (article 46):
Fuck off. Like the UK monarch appointing the prime minister of the
UK, the shah appointed the person the parliament *told* him to
appoint. The shah could not appoint whomever he wanted. He did as
he was instructed to do. That's how all parliamentary systems work,
you fucking shitbag.
The parliament elected the prime minister.
That is not what the 1925 constitution says.
One wonders if a part of the problem is not that we are insisting on
viewing the situation through the lens of our western culture,
No, the problem is that the U.S. was and is an imperial power that manipulates events and politics in other countries. That's the problem.
Mossadegh was the democratically elected prime minister of Iran, and we overthrew him so we could steal Iran's oil.
On 7/3/2022 1:57 AM, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/2/22 22:18, Rudy Canoza wrote:
On 7/2/2022 6:31 PM, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/2/22 18:32, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 22:11:33 -0500, David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> >>>>> wrote:
The Shah held his post rightfully according to the Iranian
constitution.
My point here is that the entire situation is far ore complex and
nuanced that you or anyone else seem to want to believe.
But nothing changes the fact that CIA operatives successfully took an >>>>> elected official out of power, into jail, and empowered a dictator.
https://irandataportal.syr.edu/wp-content/uploads/iran1925.pdf
If I read the above correctly, government ministers (including the
prime minister) were appointed by the Shah (article 46):
Fuck off. Like the UK monarch appointing the prime minister of the
UK, the shah appointed the person the parliament *told* him to
appoint. The shah could not appoint whomever he wanted. He did as
he was instructed to do. That's how all parliamentary systems work,
you fucking shitbag.
The parliament elected the prime minister.
That is not what the 1925 constitution says.
Yes, it is. The parliament elected the prime minister. The shah "appointed" the person the parliament told him to appoint. That's what
the constitution said.
On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 20:31:58 -0500, David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 7/2/22 18:32, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 22:11:33 -0500, David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com>
wrote:
The Shah held his post rightfully according to the Iranian constitution. >>>>
My point here is that the entire situation is far ore complex and
nuanced that you or anyone else seem to want to believe.
But nothing changes the fact that CIA operatives successfully took an
elected official out of power, into jail, and empowered a dictator.
https://irandataportal.syr.edu/wp-content/uploads/iran1925.pdf
If I read the above correctly, government ministers (including the prime
minister) were appointed by the Shah (article 46):
"Art. 46. The appointment and dismissal of Ministers is effected
by virtue of the Royal Decree of the King."
Given that the Shah was the constitutional head of the government, and
given that the prime minister was appointed by the Shah, perhaps it was
Mosaddegh who was in the wrong? Just a thought.
Mosaddegh was promoted from his elected position in the parliament. He
was wildly popular with the People.
None of that changes the fact that the CIA meddled in the internal
affairs of a foreign government, disregarding the will of its own
people and weakening republican institutions there.
On 7/3/22 10:56, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 17:37:56 -0500, David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com>
wrote:
It was *exactly* that simple. Mossadegh was the democratically elected >>>> prime minister of Iran, and the US and UK fomented a coup to throw him >>>> out and make the shah a dictator in order to rape the country and steal >>>> its oil. It was exactly that simple.
Actually it isn't, and if you had half the intelligence you claim, you
would know it.
So, instead of arguing that popular knowledge is incorrect and then
running away, educate us.
Take us point by point through those nuances and explain how they
justify the US toppling a government that was elected by the People.
How about checking to see if the actions taken by Mossadegh were constitutional?
On 7/3/22 11:44, Rudy Canoza wrote:
On 7/3/2022 2:01 AM, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/3/22 03:57, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/2/22 22:18, Rudy Canoza wrote:
On 7/2/2022 6:31 PM, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/2/22 18:32, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 22:11:33 -0500, David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
The Shah held his post rightfully according to the Iranian constitution.
My point here is that the entire situation is far ore complex and >>>>>>>> nuanced that you or anyone else seem to want to believe.
But nothing changes the fact that CIA operatives successfully took an >>>>>>> elected official out of power, into jail, and empowered a dictator. >>>>>>
https://irandataportal.syr.edu/wp-content/uploads/iran1925.pdf
If I read the above correctly, government ministers (including the prime >>>>>> minister) were appointed by the Shah (article 46):
Fuck off. Like the UK monarch appointing the prime minister of the UK, the
shah appointed the person the parliament *told* him to appoint. The shah
could not appoint whomever he wanted. He did as he was instructed to do.
That's how all parliamentary systems work, you fucking shitbag.
The parliament elected the prime minister.
That is not what the 1925 constitution says.
One wonders if a part of the problem is not that we are insisting on viewing
the situation through the lens of our western culture,
No, the problem is that the U.S. was and is an imperial power that manipulates
events and politics in other countries. That's the problem.
Mossadegh was the democratically elected prime minister of Iran, and we
overthrew him so we could steal Iran's oil.
And the Shah was the constitutional head of state, to whom the prime minister was accountable.
On 7/3/22 11:42, Rudy Canoza wrote:
On 7/3/2022 1:57 AM, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/2/22 22:18, Rudy Canoza wrote:
On 7/2/2022 6:31 PM, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/2/22 18:32, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 22:11:33 -0500, David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> >>>>>> wrote:
The Shah held his post rightfully according to the Iranian constitution.
My point here is that the entire situation is far ore complex and >>>>>>> nuanced that you or anyone else seem to want to believe.
But nothing changes the fact that CIA operatives successfully took an >>>>>> elected official out of power, into jail, and empowered a dictator. >>>>>
https://irandataportal.syr.edu/wp-content/uploads/iran1925.pdf
If I read the above correctly, government ministers (including the prime >>>>> minister) were appointed by the Shah (article 46):
Fuck off. Like the UK monarch appointing the prime minister of the UK, the
shah appointed the person the parliament *told* him to appoint. The shah >>>> could not appoint whomever he wanted. He did as he was instructed to do. >>>> That's how all parliamentary systems work, you fucking shitbag.
The parliament elected the prime minister.
That is not what the 1925 constitution says.
Yes, it is. The parliament elected the prime minister. The shah "appointed"
the person the parliament told him to appoint. That's what the constitution
said.
Please provide a link and quote.
On 7/3/22 11:17, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 20:31:58 -0500, David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 7/2/22 18:32, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 22:11:33 -0500, David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com>
wrote:
The Shah held his post rightfully according to the Iranian constitution. >>>>>
My point here is that the entire situation is far ore complex and
nuanced that you or anyone else seem to want to believe.
But nothing changes the fact that CIA operatives successfully took an
elected official out of power, into jail, and empowered a dictator.
https://irandataportal.syr.edu/wp-content/uploads/iran1925.pdf
If I read the above correctly, government ministers (including the prime >>> minister) were appointed by the Shah (article 46):
"Art. 46. The appointment and dismissal of Ministers is effected
by virtue of the Royal Decree of the King."
Given that the Shah was the constitutional head of the government, and
given that the prime minister was appointed by the Shah, perhaps it was
Mosaddegh who was in the wrong? Just a thought.
Mosaddegh was promoted from his elected position in the parliament. He
was wildly popular with the People.
No argument.
Also no argument that perhaps the US should not have been involved.
None of that changes the fact that the CIA meddled in the internal
affairs of a foreign government, disregarding the will of its own
people and weakening republican institutions there.
Was not the Shah the head of state and did not the USA act with his approval
Also no argument that perhaps the US should not have been involved.
And the Shah was the constitutional head of state, to whom the prime
minister was accountable.
How about checking to see if the actions taken by Mossadegh were constitutional?
On 7/3/2022 11:04 AM, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/3/22 11:44, Rudy Canoza wrote:
On 7/3/2022 2:01 AM, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/3/22 03:57, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/2/22 22:18, Rudy Canoza wrote:
On 7/2/2022 6:31 PM, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/2/22 18:32, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 22:11:33 -0500, David Hartung
<david@Hotmail.com>
wrote:
The Shah held his post rightfully according to the Iranian
constitution.
My point here is that the entire situation is far ore complex and >>>>>>>>> nuanced that you or anyone else seem to want to believe.
But nothing changes the fact that CIA operatives successfully
took an
elected official out of power, into jail, and empowered a dictator. >>>>>>>
https://irandataportal.syr.edu/wp-content/uploads/iran1925.pdf
If I read the above correctly, government ministers (including
the prime minister) were appointed by the Shah (article 46):
Fuck off. Like the UK monarch appointing the prime minister of
the UK, the shah appointed the person the parliament *told* him to >>>>>> appoint. The shah could not appoint whomever he wanted. He did >>>>>> as he was instructed to do. That's how all parliamentary systems
work, you fucking shitbag.
The parliament elected the prime minister.
That is not what the 1925 constitution says.
One wonders if a part of the problem is not that we are insisting on
viewing the situation through the lens of our western culture,
No, the problem is that the U.S. was and is an imperial power that
manipulates events and politics in other countries. That's the problem. >>>
Mossadegh was the democratically elected prime minister of Iran, and
we overthrew him so we could steal Iran's oil.
And the Shah was the constitutional head of state, to whom the prime
minister was accountable.
No, the prime minister was *not* accountable to the head of state. He
was accountable to the Majlis (the parliament). You don't know what the fuck you're bullshitting about.
The shah did not have discretion to appoint whomever he wanted as prime minister.
In article <8dSdndSZ2MSyR1z_nZ2dnUU7-TOdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
And the Shah was the constitutional head of state, to whom the prime
minister was accountable.
And Queen Liz doesn't have to choose the PM and Parliament tells
her to. You really don't understand parliamentary constutional
monarchies.
On 7/3/2022 11:08 AM, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/3/22 11:17, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 20:31:58 -0500, David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 7/2/22 18:32, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 22:11:33 -0500, David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> >>>>> wrote:
The Shah held his post rightfully according to the Iranian
constitution.
My point here is that the entire situation is far ore complex and
nuanced that you or anyone else seem to want to believe.
But nothing changes the fact that CIA operatives successfully took an >>>>> elected official out of power, into jail, and empowered a dictator.
https://irandataportal.syr.edu/wp-content/uploads/iran1925.pdf
If I read the above correctly, government ministers (including the
prime
minister) were appointed by the Shah (article 46):
"Art. 46. The appointment and dismissal of Ministers is effected
by virtue of the Royal Decree of the King."
Given that the Shah was the constitutional head of the government, and >>>> given that the prime minister was appointed by the Shah, perhaps it was >>>> Mosaddegh who was in the wrong? Just a thought.
Mosaddegh was promoted from his elected position in the parliament. He
was wildly popular with the People.
No argument.
Also no argument that perhaps the US should not have been involved.
Bullshit. You are arguing fervently in support of the U.S.-fomented coup.
None of that changes the fact that the CIA meddled in the internal
affairs of a foreign government, disregarding the will of its own
people and weakening republican institutions there.
Was not the Shah the head of state and did not the USA act with his
approval
He had no constitutional power to depose the prime minister. If he had,
he wouldn't have needed a U.S. sponsored coup.
You don't understand a fucking thing about parliamentary systems.
On 7/3/22 13:11, Rudy Canoza wrote:
On 7/3/2022 11:04 AM, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/3/22 11:44, Rudy Canoza wrote:
On 7/3/2022 2:01 AM, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/3/22 03:57, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/2/22 22:18, Rudy Canoza wrote:
On 7/2/2022 6:31 PM, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/2/22 18:32, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 22:11:33 -0500, David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
The Shah held his post rightfully according to the Iranian constitution.
My point here is that the entire situation is far ore complex and >>>>>>>>>> nuanced that you or anyone else seem to want to believe.
But nothing changes the fact that CIA operatives successfully took an >>>>>>>>> elected official out of power, into jail, and empowered a dictator. >>>>>>>>
https://irandataportal.syr.edu/wp-content/uploads/iran1925.pdf >>>>>>>>
If I read the above correctly, government ministers (including the prime
minister) were appointed by the Shah (article 46):
Fuck off. Like the UK monarch appointing the prime minister of the UK,
the shah appointed the person the parliament *told* him to appoint. The
shah could not appoint whomever he wanted. He did as he was instructed
to do. That's how all parliamentary systems work, you fucking shitbag. >>>>>>>
The parliament elected the prime minister.
That is not what the 1925 constitution says.
One wonders if a part of the problem is not that we are insisting on >>>>> viewing the situation through the lens of our western culture,
No, the problem is that the U.S. was and is an imperial power that
manipulates events and politics in other countries. That's the problem. >>>>
Mossadegh was the democratically elected prime minister of Iran, and we >>>> overthrew him so we could steal Iran's oil.
And the Shah was the constitutional head of state, to whom the prime minister
was accountable.
No, the prime minister was *not* accountable to the head of state. He was >> accountable to the Majlis (the parliament). You don't know what the fuck >> you're bullshitting about.
The shah did not have discretion to appoint whomever he wanted as prime minister.
Support that with the
On 7/3/22 15:33, Siri Cruise wrote:
In article <8dSdndSZ2MSyR1z_nZ2dnUU7-TOdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
And the Shah was the constitutional head of state, to whom the prime
minister was accountable.
And Queen Liz doesn't have to choose the PM and Parliament tells
her to. You really don't understand parliamentary constutional
monarchies.
I understand that Great Britain and Iran are two separate countries each with their own constitution.
On 7/3/22 13:15, Rudy Canoza wrote:
On 7/3/2022 11:08 AM, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/3/22 11:17, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 20:31:58 -0500, David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 7/2/22 18:32, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 22:11:33 -0500, David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> >>>>>> wrote:
The Shah held his post rightfully according to the Iranian constitution.
My point here is that the entire situation is far ore complex and >>>>>>> nuanced that you or anyone else seem to want to believe.
But nothing changes the fact that CIA operatives successfully took an >>>>>> elected official out of power, into jail, and empowered a dictator. >>>>>
https://irandataportal.syr.edu/wp-content/uploads/iran1925.pdf
If I read the above correctly, government ministers (including the prime >>>>> minister) were appointed by the Shah (article 46):
"Art. 46. The appointment and dismissal of Ministers is effected
by virtue of the Royal Decree of the King."
Given that the Shah was the constitutional head of the government, and >>>>> given that the prime minister was appointed by the Shah, perhaps it was >>>>> Mosaddegh who was in the wrong? Just a thought.
Mosaddegh was promoted from his elected position in the parliament. He >>>> was wildly popular with the People.
No argument.
Also no argument that perhaps the US should not have been involved.
Bullshit. You are arguing fervently in support of the U.S.-fomented coup. >>
None of that changes the fact that the CIA meddled in the internal
affairs of a foreign government, disregarding the will of its own
people and weakening republican institutions there.
Was not the Shah the head of state and did not the USA act with his approval
He had no constitutional power to depose the prime minister. If he had, he >> wouldn't have needed a U.S. sponsored coup.
You don't understand a fucking thing about parliamentary systems.
Maybe you should take a look at the Iranian constitution?
Maybe you should take a look at the Iranian constitution?
None of that changes the fact that the CIA meddled in the internal
affairs of a foreign government, disregarding the will of its own
people and weakening republican institutions there.
Was not the Shah the head of state
and did not the USA act with his
approval, or maybe even at his request?
On 7/3/22 11:44, Rudy Canoza wrote:
On 7/3/2022 2:01 AM, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/3/22 03:57, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/2/22 22:18, Rudy Canoza wrote:
On 7/2/2022 6:31 PM, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/2/22 18:32, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 22:11:33 -0500, David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
The Shah held his post rightfully according to the Iranian
constitution.
My point here is that the entire situation is far ore complex and >>>>>>>> nuanced that you or anyone else seem to want to believe.
But nothing changes the fact that CIA operatives successfully took an >>>>>>> elected official out of power, into jail, and empowered a dictator. >>>>>>
https://irandataportal.syr.edu/wp-content/uploads/iran1925.pdf
If I read the above correctly, government ministers (including the >>>>>> prime minister) were appointed by the Shah (article 46):
Fuck off. Like the UK monarch appointing the prime minister of the
UK, the shah appointed the person the parliament *told* him to
appoint. The shah could not appoint whomever he wanted. He did as
he was instructed to do. That's how all parliamentary systems work,
you fucking shitbag.
The parliament elected the prime minister.
That is not what the 1925 constitution says.
One wonders if a part of the problem is not that we are insisting on
viewing the situation through the lens of our western culture,
No, the problem is that the U.S. was and is an imperial power that
manipulates events and politics in other countries. That's the problem.
Mossadegh was the democratically elected prime minister of Iran, and we
overthrew him so we could steal Iran's oil.
And the Shah was the constitutional head of state, to whom the prime
minister was accountable.
On 7/3/22 10:56, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 17:37:56 -0500, David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com>
wrote:
It was *exactly* that simple. Mossadegh was the democratically elected >>>> prime minister of Iran, and the US and UK fomented a coup to throw him >>>> out and make the shah a dictator in order to rape the country and steal >>>> its oil. It was exactly that simple.
Actually it isn't, and if you had half the intelligence you claim, you
would know it.
So, instead of arguing that popular knowledge is incorrect and then
running away, educate us.
Take us point by point through those nuances and explain how they
justify the US toppling a government that was elected by the People.
How about checking to see if the actions taken by Mossadegh were >constitutional?
On 7/3/22 13:11, Rudy Canoza wrote:
On 7/3/2022 11:04 AM, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/3/22 11:44, Rudy Canoza wrote:
On 7/3/2022 2:01 AM, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/3/22 03:57, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/2/22 22:18, Rudy Canoza wrote:
On 7/2/2022 6:31 PM, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/2/22 18:32, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 22:11:33 -0500, David Hartung
<david@Hotmail.com>
wrote:
The Shah held his post rightfully according to the Iranian >>>>>>>>>> constitution.
My point here is that the entire situation is far ore complex and >>>>>>>>>> nuanced that you or anyone else seem to want to believe.
But nothing changes the fact that CIA operatives successfully >>>>>>>>> took an
elected official out of power, into jail, and empowered a dictator. >>>>>>>>
https://irandataportal.syr.edu/wp-content/uploads/iran1925.pdf >>>>>>>>
If I read the above correctly, government ministers (including >>>>>>>> the prime minister) were appointed by the Shah (article 46):
Fuck off. Like the UK monarch appointing the prime minister of
the UK, the shah appointed the person the parliament *told* him to >>>>>>> appoint. The shah could not appoint whomever he wanted. He did >>>>>>> as he was instructed to do. That's how all parliamentary systems >>>>>>> work, you fucking shitbag.
The parliament elected the prime minister.
That is not what the 1925 constitution says.
One wonders if a part of the problem is not that we are insisting on >>>>> viewing the situation through the lens of our western culture,
No, the problem is that the U.S. was and is an imperial power that
manipulates events and politics in other countries. That's the problem. >>>>
Mossadegh was the democratically elected prime minister of Iran, and
we overthrew him so we could steal Iran's oil.
And the Shah was the constitutional head of state, to whom the prime
minister was accountable.
No, the prime minister was *not* accountable to the head of state. He
was accountable to the Majlis (the parliament). You don't know what the
fuck you're bullshitting about.
The shah did not have discretion to appoint whomever he wanted as prime
minister.
Support that with the relevant clause from the Iranian constitution in
force at the time. You just might be right and I just might be wrong.
On 7/3/2022 1:51 PM, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/3/22 13:11, Rudy Canoza wrote:
On 7/3/2022 11:04 AM, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/3/22 11:44, Rudy Canoza wrote:
On 7/3/2022 2:01 AM, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/3/22 03:57, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/2/22 22:18, Rudy Canoza wrote:
On 7/2/2022 6:31 PM, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/2/22 18:32, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 22:11:33 -0500, David Hartung
<david@Hotmail.com>
wrote:
The Shah held his post rightfully according to the Iranian >>>>>>>>>>> constitution.
My point here is that the entire situation is far ore complex >>>>>>>>>>> and
nuanced that you or anyone else seem to want to believe.
But nothing changes the fact that CIA operatives successfully >>>>>>>>>> took an
elected official out of power, into jail, and empowered a
dictator.
https://irandataportal.syr.edu/wp-content/uploads/iran1925.pdf >>>>>>>>>
If I read the above correctly, government ministers (including >>>>>>>>> the prime minister) were appointed by the Shah (article 46):
Fuck off. Like the UK monarch appointing the prime minister of >>>>>>>> the UK, the shah appointed the person the parliament *told* him >>>>>>>> to appoint. The shah could not appoint whomever he wanted. He >>>>>>>> did as he was instructed to do. That's how all parliamentary
systems work, you fucking shitbag.
The parliament elected the prime minister.
That is not what the 1925 constitution says.
One wonders if a part of the problem is not that we are insisting
on viewing the situation through the lens of our western culture,
No, the problem is that the U.S. was and is an imperial power that
manipulates events and politics in other countries. That's the
problem.
Mossadegh was the democratically elected prime minister of Iran,
and we overthrew him so we could steal Iran's oil.
And the Shah was the constitutional head of state, to whom the prime
minister was accountable.
No, the prime minister was *not* accountable to the head of state.
He was accountable to the Majlis (the parliament). You don't know
what the fuck you're bullshitting about.
The shah did not have discretion to appoint whomever he wanted as
prime minister.
Support that with the
Concession of defeat noted, accepted and mocked. Meanwhile:
  On 28 April 1951, the Shah appointed Mosaddegh as Prime Minister
after the
  Majlis (Parliament of Iran) nominated Mosaddegh by a vote of 79–12.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Mosaddegh#Appointment_as_Prime_Minister
The shah "appointed" Mossadegh because he had to. That's whom the
Majlis chose to be prime minister.
This is no different than the UK. The British monarch "appoints" the
prime minister because the British parliament has determined who it will
be, and the monarch "appoints" the parliament's choice.
On 7/3/22 15:56, Rudy Canoza wrote:
On 7/3/2022 1:51 PM, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/3/22 13:11, Rudy Canoza wrote:
On 7/3/2022 11:04 AM, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/3/22 11:44, Rudy Canoza wrote:
On 7/3/2022 2:01 AM, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/3/22 03:57, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/2/22 22:18, Rudy Canoza wrote:
On 7/2/2022 6:31 PM, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/2/22 18:32, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 22:11:33 -0500, David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com>
wrote:
The Shah held his post rightfully according to the Iranian >>>>>>>>>>>> constitution.But nothing changes the fact that CIA operatives successfully took an
My point here is that the entire situation is far ore complex and >>>>>>>>>>>> nuanced that you or anyone else seem to want to believe. >>>>>>>>>>>
elected official out of power, into jail, and empowered a dictator. >>>>>>>>>>
https://irandataportal.syr.edu/wp-content/uploads/iran1925.pdf >>>>>>>>>>
If I read the above correctly, government ministers (including the >>>>>>>>>> prime minister) were appointed by the Shah (article 46):
Fuck off. Like the UK monarch appointing the prime minister of the UK,
the shah appointed the person the parliament *told* him to appoint. >>>>>>>>> The shah could not appoint whomever he wanted. He did as he was >>>>>>>>> instructed to do. That's how all parliamentary systems work, you >>>>>>>>> fucking shitbag.
The parliament elected the prime minister.
That is not what the 1925 constitution says.
One wonders if a part of the problem is not that we are insisting on >>>>>>> viewing the situation through the lens of our western culture,
No, the problem is that the U.S. was and is an imperial power that >>>>>> manipulates events and politics in other countries. That's the problem.
Mossadegh was the democratically elected prime minister of Iran, and we >>>>>> overthrew him so we could steal Iran's oil.
And the Shah was the constitutional head of state, to whom the prime >>>>> minister was accountable.
No, the prime minister was *not* accountable to the head of state. He was >>>> accountable to the Majlis (the parliament). You don't know what the fuck >>>> you're bullshitting about.
The shah did not have discretion to appoint whomever he wanted as prime >>>> minister.
Support that with the
Concession of defeat noted, accepted and mocked. Meanwhile:
   On 28 April 1951, the Shah appointed Mosaddegh as Prime Minister after the
   Majlis (Parliament of Iran) nominated Mosaddegh by a vote of 79–12. >>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Mosaddegh#Appointment_as_Prime_Minister
A very interesting and informative link. Read through it and you will see that
neither Pahlavi or Mosaddegh were what many of us would consider to be worthy.
Yes I agree that the USA should have stayed out of the situation, but I reject
the idea that Mosaddegh was "the good guy".
The shah "appointed" Mossadegh because he had to. That's whom the Majlis >> chose to be prime minister.
This is no different than the UK. The British monarch "appoints" the prime >> minister because the British parliament has determined who it will be, and the
monarch "appoints" the parliament's choice.
Yet you cannot show men where Iranian law dictates this
Yet you cannot show men where Iranian law dictates this, while I have
On 7/3/2022 5:51 PM, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/3/22 15:56, Rudy Canoza wrote:
On 7/3/2022 1:51 PM, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/3/22 13:11, Rudy Canoza wrote:
On 7/3/2022 11:04 AM, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/3/22 11:44, Rudy Canoza wrote:
On 7/3/2022 2:01 AM, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/3/22 03:57, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/2/22 22:18, Rudy Canoza wrote:
On 7/2/2022 6:31 PM, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/2/22 18:32, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 22:11:33 -0500, David Hartung
<david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
The Shah held his post rightfully according to the Iranian >>>>>>>>>>>>> constitution.
My point here is that the entire situation is far ore >>>>>>>>>>>>> complex and nuanced that you or anyone else seem to want >>>>>>>>>>>>> to believe.
But nothing changes the fact that CIA operatives
successfully took an elected official out of power, into >>>>>>>>>>>> jail, and empowered a dictator.
https://irandataportal.syr.edu/wp-content/uploads/iran1925.pd >>>>>>>>>>> f
If I read the above correctly, government ministers
(including the prime minister) were appointed by the Shah >>>>>>>>>>> (article 46):
Fuck off. Like the UK monarch appointing the prime minister >>>>>>>>>> of the UK, the shah appointed the person the parliament
*told* him to appoint. The shah could not appoint whomever >>>>>>>>>> he wanted. He did as he was instructed to do. That's how >>>>>>>>>> all parliamentary systems work, you fucking shitbag.
The parliament elected the prime minister.
That is not what the 1925 constitution says.
One wonders if a part of the problem is not that we are
insisting on viewing the situation through the lens of our
western culture,
No, the problem is that the U.S. was and is an imperial power
that manipulates events and politics in other countries.Â
That's the problem.
Mossadegh was the democratically elected prime minister of Iran, >>>>>>> and we overthrew him so we could steal Iran's oil.
And the Shah was the constitutional head of state, to whom the
prime minister was accountable.
No, the prime minister was *not* accountable to the head of state.
He was accountable to the Majlis (the parliament). You don't
know what the fuck you're bullshitting about.
The shah did not have discretion to appoint whomever he wanted as
prime minister.
Support that with the
Concession of defeat noted, accepted and mocked. Meanwhile:
   On 28 April 1951, the Shah appointed Mosaddegh as Prime
Minister after the    Majlis (Parliament of Iran) nominated
Mosaddegh by a vote of 79–12.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Mosaddegh#Appointment_as_Prime
_Minister
A very interesting and informative link. Read through it and you will
see that neither Pahlavi or Mosaddegh were what many of us would
consider to be worthy.
Not the point, and anyway false.. The point is that Mossadegh was the legitimate head of government, and the U.S. had no business mounting a
coup against him.
You only say Mossadegh was not "worthy" because he was going against
what the U.S. and U.K. wanted. That doesn't equate to "not worthy."
In fact, he was an ardent nationalist, and the Iranian people
considered him worthy.
Yes I agree that the USA should have stayed out of the situation, but
I reject the idea that Mosaddegh was "the good guy".
He was the good guy in the eyes of the Iranian people, and he was the *legitimate* head of government.
The shah "appointed" Mossadegh because he had to. That's whom the
Majlis chose to be prime minister.
This is no different than the UK. The British monarch "appoints"
the prime minister because the British parliament has determined who
it will be, and the monarch "appoints" the parliament's choice.
Yet you cannot show men where Iranian law dictates this
You're the one claiming the shah had absolute power to appoint and
dismiss prime ministers. Prove it.
Yes I agree that the USA should have stayed out of the situation, but I >reject the idea that Mosaddegh was "the good guy".
CONSTITUTION OF THE ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF IRAN
In article <-6OdnSAaDe7AVV3_nZ2dnUU7-IWdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
No excuse, just trying to understand the reasoning of the leadership of
the day.
So if Canada and Mexico overthrow our goverment to get fracking
increased, you're okay because our politics are 'complicated'.
You don't want to sound like a imperialistic hypocritical twat,
do you?
Rudy Canoza <notgenx33@gmail.com> wrote in news:t%3wK.419636$zgr9.390101@fx13.iad:
On 7/2/2022 3:36 PM, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/2/22 12:44, Siri Cruise wrote:
In article <28idnQJelrLJul3_nZ2dnUU7-VnNnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
And you continue to make excuses for imperialism. UnderUnder the principle of national sovereignity republican hold
sacred except for everyone else, iran's situation was for iran to
resolve.
On that you may be correct, but that doesn't change the fact that the >>>>> situation was probably not as simple as it has been made out to be in >>>>
principles we claim are so important iran gets to deal with
iran's issues, not Eisenhower.
No excuse,
Yes, you're making excuses.
You keep putting false words in Hartung's mouth.
On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 17:37:56 -0500, David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com>
wrote:
It was *exactly* that simple. Mossadegh was the democratically elected >>> prime minister of Iran, and the US and UK fomented a coup to throw him
out and make the shah a dictator in order to rape the country and steal
its oil. It was exactly that simple.
Actually it isn't, and if you had half the intelligence you claim, you
would know it.
So, instead of arguing that popular knowledge is incorrect and then
running away, educate us.
Take us point by point through those nuances and explain how they
justify the US toppling a government that was elected by the People.
Swill
On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 23:51:12 -0000 (UTC), barry <porky202@gmx.net>
wrote:
Rudy Canoza <notgenx33@gmail.com> wrote in
news:t%3wK.419636$zgr9.390101@fx13.iad:
On 7/2/2022 3:36 PM, David Hartung wrote:
On 7/2/22 12:44, Siri Cruise wrote:
In article <28idnQJelrLJul3_nZ2dnUU7-VnNnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
And you continue to make excuses for imperialism. UnderUnder the principle of national sovereignity republican hold
sacred except for everyone else, iran's situation was for iran to >>>>>>> resolve.
On that you may be correct, but that doesn't change the fact that the >>>>>> situation was probably not as simple as it has been made out to be in >>>>>
principles we claim are so important iran gets to deal with
iran's issues, not Eisenhower.
No excuse,
Yes, you're making excuses.
You keep putting false words in Hartung's mouth.
She isn't putting words in his mouth. She's posting an evaluation of
the words he *has* said. You might want to back track the thread.
Hartung claimed the overthrow of Guatemala's government was more
"nuanced" than the US simply toppling a government. He also disagreed
with the facts of the Iranian coup of 1953.
Swill
In article <8dSdndWZ2MQBRFz_nZ2dnUU7-TOdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
How about checking to see if the actions taken by Mossadegh were
constitutional?
Fuck you. That isn't up to US and UK to protect UK oil profits.
It's up to iranians. Stop making excuses for US crimes.
On 7/3/2022 3:35 PM, Siri Cruise wrote:
In article <8dSdndWZ2MQBRFz_nZ2dnUU7-TOdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
How about checking to see if the actions taken by Mossadegh were
constitutional?
Fuck you. That isn't up to US and UK to protect UK oil profits.
It's up to iranians. Stop making excuses for US crimes.
Go back to playing drop the soap with Slops and Rudy. Leave the adults
to handle American interests. Obviously you do not have our best options
in mind.
Seeing that you are such an expert on our foreign policy, perhaps you
can explain what the Hell your lefty administration is doing in the
Ukraine? Or are you going to continue bleating out your vast ignorance
on American mid east policy sine WWI. You sir...Are a History deprived
fool. I thank God, we only have mediocre idiots running the country and >definitely not you lefty idiots.
On 7/3/2022 3:35 PM, Siri Cruise wrote:
In article <8dSdndWZ2MQBRFz_nZ2dnUU7-TOdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
How about checking to see if the actions taken by Mossadegh were
constitutional?
Fuck you. That isn't up to US and UK to protect UK oil profits.
It's up to iranians. Stop making excuses for US crimes.
Go back to playing drop the soap with Slops and Rudy. Leave the adults
to handle American interests. Obviously you do not have our best options
in mind.
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