• broken hip surgery catheter after

    From mark cleary@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 11 08:12:58 2015
    I am 54 broke my hip at top riding bike. I had it pinned 3 screws. After surgery the hip is doing fine able to even walk on my own but could not pee.
    I had over 1.2 liters in bladder they straight cathed me and then had to
    again when 6 hours later it was at 1 liter. I went home with foley catheter
    and what a pain. I have BPH and have been taking tamulosin the past 6
    months. I go to the bath room sometimes 15 times a day depending. I can get
    it out but always seem like I cannot empty the bladder. Well now I am afraid
    my ability to pee is going to be gone for good. A week of the catheter will
    it stop figuring out what to do and this catheter is really holding up my progress. I am a long distance runner and cyclist in really great aerobic
    shape do all types of core exercises to keep fit but this is really causing
    me to worry.

    Any thoughts or experiences with this I would appreciate. Most of the stuff
    is geared to those older than me and issues. I have had the enlarged
    prostate for at least 8 years and 3 negative biopsy's thank the lord, but at this point I don't care maybe just taking it out is the way to go. I don't
    even care about the side effects at this point, I just want to pee and get
    out of this cath.

    Deacon Mark Cleary
    Epiphany Roman Catholic Church

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  • From Clark@21:1/5 to mark cleary on Sat Dec 12 10:52:12 2015
    Hi Mark,
    I'm 20 years older than you, and have been suffering with Lower Urinart Tract Syndrome (LUTS) and PCa for over ten years. I'm also very active; work out daily.
    What seemed to make a big difference for my ability to pee was to lose weight...and get my Body Mass Index (BMI) from around 25 down below 21. It didn't seem to matter whether the weight loss was fat or muscle...it all gets in the way of peeing
    freely.

    http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/educational/lose_wt/BMI/bmicalc.htm

    I also take a variety of supplements: lycopene, Life Extension Prostate Formula, Resveratrol, and Bell's Ezee-Flow Tea. But it was the weight loss that seemed to make the greatest difference. Good luck.

    Clark in Chicago

    On Friday, December 11, 2015, mark cleary wrote:
    I am 54 broke my hip at top riding bike. I had it pinned 3 screws. After surgery the hip is doing fine able to even walk on my own but could not pee. I had over 1.2 liters in bladder they straight cathed me and then had to again when 6 hours later it was at 1 liter. I went home with foley catheter and what a pain. I have BPH and have been taking tamulosin the past 6
    months. I go to the bath room sometimes 15 times a day depending. I can get it out but always seem like I cannot empty the bladder. Well now I am afraid my ability to pee is going to be gone for good. A week of the catheter will it stop figuring out what to do and this catheter is really holding up my progress. I am a long distance runner and cyclist in really great aerobic shape do all types of core exercises to keep fit but this is really causing me to worry.

    Any thoughts or experiences with this I would appreciate. Most of the stuff is geared to those older than me and issues. I have had the enlarged
    prostate for at least 8 years and 3 negative biopsy's thank the lord, but at this point I don't care maybe just taking it out is the way to go. I don't even care about the side effects at this point, I just want to pee and get out of this cath.

    Deacon Mark Cleary
    Epiphany Roman Catholic Church

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  • From Al@21:1/5 to mark cleary on Sat Dec 12 17:47:16 2015
    On 12/11/2015 9:12 AM, mark cleary wrote:
    I am 54 broke my hip at top riding bike. I had it pinned 3 screws. After surgery the hip is doing fine able to even walk on my own but could not
    pee. I had over 1.2 liters in bladder they straight cathed me and then
    had to again when 6 hours later it was at 1 liter. I went home with
    foley catheter and what a pain. I have BPH and have been taking
    tamulosin the past 6 months. I go to the bath room sometimes 15 times a
    day depending. I can get it out but always seem like I cannot empty the bladder. Well now I am afraid my ability to pee is going to be gone for
    good. A week of the catheter will it stop figuring out what to do and
    this catheter is really holding up my progress. I am a long distance
    runner and cyclist in really great aerobic shape do all types of core exercises to keep fit but this is really causing me to worry.

    Any thoughts or experiences with this I would appreciate. Most of the
    stuff is geared to those older than me and issues. I have had the
    enlarged prostate for at least 8 years and 3 negative biopsy's thank the lord, but at this point I don't care maybe just taking it out is the way
    to go. I don't even care about the side effects at this point, I just
    want to pee and get out of this cath.

    Deacon Mark Cleary
    Epiphany Roman Catholic Church



    It sounds like you are already under the care of a Urologist (biopsy's
    RX, and cath) - what was recommended?

    All prostate surgery is not removal of the entire gland (which would be
    more likely required for cancer - but BPH is not cancer.)

    I suffered with BPH which got progressively worse over the course of 7-8
    years. I was about 58 when I had "Greenlight" PVP (Photoselective
    vaporization of the prostate). At the time it was a new procedure but
    is now quite widely available. If it is medically right for you, it's a
    couple of hours in an outpatient facility and you get your life back immediately, no more drugs and no more risk of doing irreversible damage
    to your body.

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  • From mark cleary@21:1/5 to mark cleary on Sat Dec 12 15:29:46 2015
    I am 6'2 and weigh 176 pounds about 12-13% body fat so I am not overweight. Most people think I am skinning but for a long distance runner I am not
    small, but for a cyclist I am ok about average. Going below 170 is getting pretty slim for me and I was in shape on the bike to do a solo century in 5 hours. I probably could have run a 5k in maybe 24 minutes. In my best
    running shape 24 years ago I was able to run a marathon in 3:06. My old
    running legs have 75,000 lifetime miles so I just want to keep at it but
    cannot go like I once did.



    Deacon Mark Cleary
    Epiphany Roman Catholic Church
    "Clark" wrote in message news:195d3937-d3b8-4d2e-92a9-915120a1969b@googlegroups.com...
    Hi Mark,
    I'm 20 years older than you, and have been suffering with Lower Urinart Tract Syndrome (LUTS) and PCa for over ten years. I'm also very active;
    work out daily.
    What seemed to make a big difference for my ability to pee was to lose weight...and get my Body Mass Index (BMI) from around 25 down below 21. It didn't seem to matter whether the weight loss was fat or muscle...it all
    gets in the way of peeing freely.

    http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/educational/lose_wt/BMI/bmicalc.htm

    I also take a variety of supplements: lycopene, Life Extension Prostate Formula, Resveratrol, and Bell's Ezee-Flow Tea. But it was the weight loss that seemed to make the greatest difference. Good luck.

    Clark in Chicago

    On Friday, December 11, 2015, mark cleary wrote:
    I am 54 broke my hip at top riding bike. I had it pinned 3 screws. After surgery the hip is doing fine able to even walk on my own but could not
    pee.
    I had over 1.2 liters in bladder they straight cathed me and then had to again when 6 hours later it was at 1 liter. I went home with foley
    catheter
    and what a pain. I have BPH and have been taking tamulosin the past 6
    months. I go to the bath room sometimes 15 times a day depending. I can
    get
    it out but always seem like I cannot empty the bladder. Well now I am
    afraid
    my ability to pee is going to be gone for good. A week of the catheter
    will
    it stop figuring out what to do and this catheter is really holding up my progress. I am a long distance runner and cyclist in really great aerobic shape do all types of core exercises to keep fit but this is really
    causing
    me to worry.

    Any thoughts or experiences with this I would appreciate. Most of the
    stuff
    is geared to those older than me and issues. I have had the enlarged
    prostate for at least 8 years and 3 negative biopsy's thank the lord, but
    at
    this point I don't care maybe just taking it out is the way to go. I don't even care about the side effects at this point, I just want to pee and get out of this cath.

    Deacon Mark Cleary
    Epiphany Roman Catholic Church

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  • From RayP21@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 22 12:05:49 2015
    In news:n4elgq$t9m$1@dont-email.me,
    mark cleary <mcleary08@comcast.net> typed:
    I am 54 broke my hip at top riding bike. I had it pinned 3 screws.
    After surgery the hip is doing fine able to even walk on my own but
    could not pee. I had over 1.2 liters in bladder they straight cathed
    me and then had to again when 6 hours later it was at 1 liter. I went
    home with foley catheter and what a pain. I have BPH and have been
    taking tamulosin the past 6 months. I go to the bath room sometimes
    15 times a day depending. I can get it out but always seem like I
    cannot empty the bladder. Well now I am afraid my ability to pee is
    going to be gone for good. A week of the catheter will it stop
    figuring out what to do and this catheter is really holding up my
    progress. I am a long distance runner and cyclist in really great
    aerobic shape do all types of core exercises to keep fit but this is
    really causing me to worry.
    Any thoughts or experiences with this I would appreciate. Most of the
    stuff is geared to those older than me and issues. I have had the
    enlarged prostate for at least 8 years and 3 negative biopsy's thank
    the lord, but at this point I don't care maybe just taking it out is
    the way to go. I don't even care about the side effects at this
    point, I just want to pee and get out of this cath.

    Mark,

    Hopefully, your situation has resolved itself by now, but I just saw this
    today so I'll reply anyway in case you are not yet having success in getting rid of the Foley catheter.

    I have (and had) BPH which was being managed well, but I also had hernia surgery about a year ago. After the surgery, I was sent home without a catheter even though I really was not able to pee before going home. I had said that maybe a few drops came out, and they said that's fine and sent me home. They said that if I couldn't pee when at home recovering, that I
    should go to the ER. I live alone, and I was at home in a lot of pain and discomfort, and could only pee a tiny bit at a time. I kept putting off
    going to the ER (foolish me) and I finally did go there on my own in a
    couple of days and they put in a Foley catheter. They said I had way over a liter of urine in my bladder, and after reading stuff on the Internet, I thought that maybe I had wrecked my own bladder by not going to the ER
    sooner and that maybe I would permanently have a problem urinating.

    When I had the Foley cath taken out a few days later at my urologist's
    office (in the morning) for a "void trial", and went back in the afternoon, they had to put a Foley cath back in because I was still not able to
    urinate -- huge disappointment. I had to do that once a week, and I kept failing the "void trial" and would have to have the Foley cath put back in
    each week. I hated that, and I thought that maybe I had truly wrecked my bladder for good. At first, they kept saying it was just the anesthesia and everything would be fine. Then they started saying that I would probably
    need a TURP for the BPH to fix the problem. I really hated the catheter and
    I had problems sleeping with it in. And, I was annoyed because I had BPH
    before the surgery and it was under control with no issues, and now after
    the surgery I was being told I would need TURP surgery for my BPH -- it
    didn't make sense to me.

    My regular uro was going to be away for two weeks, so I saw a substitute uro for the weekly void trial before my regular uro got back. And, the plan was that when my regular uro got back, if the void trials were not working I
    would be getting TURP surgery.

    The substitute uro turned out to be a Nurse Practitioner, and when I went
    back for the afternoon visit on a once-again failed void trial, before
    having the Foley cath put back in, I said that I was reading about self-catheterization online and asked if that was something I could try
    rather than have the Foley cath put back in. He said he would show me how
    to do self-catheterization, which he did, and I went home with self-catheterization as the plan and without a Foley cath. The idea of self-catheterization seemed a little strange to me, but I just decided to
    psych myself into being able to do it. It turned out that it is no big deal
    at all. It is easy to do. He gave self-cath devices with a "Coude"(?) (curved) tip which is the only correct way to go for males. I forget the brand, but they were red rubber and the tip was definitely and obviously curved. I only mention that because later I tried another brand that said
    it had a curved tip, but it was really just a clear straight cath with a
    tiny little bend on the end -- that was not good -- those didn't work well
    but they did work.

    Doing the self-catheterizations was a huge relief over having to wear a
    Foley cath 24/7. I was so-o-o-o glad that I asked about that and tried it!
    I was finally able to sleep, and I didn't have to keep a Foley cath in and
    wear a bag.

    Anyway, after only about another 10 days of self-cathing, the problems with urinating went away completely and I didn't have to have any surgery.
    Things actually started to improve before 10 days was up, where I noticed
    that I could go a little and then a little more on my own every couple of
    days while I was still doing the self-cath routine. I think the self-caths gave my bladder a chance to actually experience the fullness and to create
    the urge to go etc. I think a built-in Foley cath 24/7 just drains the
    bladder and it never experiences fullness.

    Again, I am so-o-o-o glad that I had the fortitude to actually ask about self-catheterization, and that the Nurse Practitioner was okay with that and was willing to teach me how to do that. The self-caths ended my nightmare. Problem solved.

    Meanwhile, what happened with you? Do you still have the problem or did it resolve itself after a couple of weekly void trials while on the Foley cath?

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  • From RayP21@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 22 15:41:00 2015
    In news:n4elgq$t9m$1@dont-email.me,
    mark cleary <mcleary08@comcast.net> typed:
    I am 54 broke my hip at top riding bike. I had it pinned 3 screws.
    After surgery the hip is doing fine able to even walk on my own but
    could not pee. I had over 1.2 liters in bladder they straight cathed
    me and then had to again when 6 hours later it was at 1 liter. I went
    home with foley catheter and what a pain. I have BPH and have been
    taking tamulosin the past 6 months. I go to the bath room sometimes
    15 times a day depending. I can get it out but always seem like I
    cannot empty the bladder. Well now I am afraid my ability to pee is
    going to be gone for good. A week of the catheter will it stop
    figuring out what to do and this catheter is really holding up my
    progress. I am a long distance runner and cyclist in really great
    aerobic shape do all types of core exercises to keep fit but this is
    really causing me to worry.
    Any thoughts or experiences with this I would appreciate. Most of the
    stuff is geared to those older than me and issues. I have had the
    enlarged prostate for at least 8 years and 3 negative biopsy's thank
    the lord, but at this point I don't care maybe just taking it out is
    the way to go. I don't even care about the side effects at this
    point, I just want to pee and get out of this cath.

    In addition to what I wrote earlier, I just noticed that you weren't just asking about your Foley catheter but you were also asking about your BPH.

    I think you said that even before your surgery you had to go to the bathroom
    as many as 15 times a day and always felt like you could not completely
    empty your bladder. And, you said that you have been taking tamsulosin for
    6 months.

    I take tamsulosin and I also take Avodart (dutasteride). I have taken the Avodart for a long time and still take it. It can take up to 6 months for Avodart to fully work. Mostly it is supposed to reduce the size of the prostate.

    Way back when, when I was first diagnosed with BPH and had some of the
    symptoms you described, I started on tamsulosin. It did help some, but
    after a while Avodart was added. The Avodart did take a month or two before
    it started to helped and things improved more over time after that.
    Eventually, I just stayed on the Avodart and stopped the tamsulosin and I
    was fine. So, my thinking is that the Avodart reduced the size of my
    prostate to the point that the tamsulosin was no longer needed.

    But, after my hernia surgery and the urinary retention problems that came
    with that, my urologist added back the tamsulosin and that did help. He did say that basically there are only two types of meds for BPH -- the
    Avodart-type (that are supposed to reduce the size of the prostate over
    time) and the tamsulosin-type that are alpha blockers (that relax the
    muscles in the prostate, urethra, bladder to make it easier to urinate).
    And, after my hernia surgery and the related problems (until they resolved themselves), he said I was on the only two types of meds that there are to
    use -- there are no other options other than TURP surgery or laser surgery
    if the meds don't work.

    My point is just to make sure you have also considered adding Avodart if you are not already on it before going for any type of surgical procedure.

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