• Warning about Dr Song in Changsha China

    From prostatecure3d@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 1 20:34:57 2016
    在 2008年5月20日星期二 UTC+8上午7:49:55,Steve Malthus写道:
    Does anyone else have the details about all guys who went to China to be treated by Dr Song and ended up infected with Hepatitis C?

    http://www.chronicprostatitis.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=5486

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  • From prostatecure3d@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 20 17:36:24 2016
    在 2008年5月20日星期二 UTC+8上午7:49:55,Steve Malthus写道:
    Does anyone else have the details about all guys who went to China to be treated by Dr Song and ended up infected with Hepatitis C?

    http://www.chronicprostatitis.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=5486

    In 2007, the boss of a private hospital in Changsha came to Dr. Song and wanted to cooperate with Dr. Song in running the prostatitis treatment.

    In the communication process, Dr. Song found out that that the man had a poor reputation, so he refused to cooperate with him.

    Later on, they sent someone to the clinic and stole part of the 3D technique, and falsely claimed that it was their research result, and they opened a prostate specialist clinic.

    Because their techniques are not qualified and they lost patients’ trust, patients still came to our clinic for our treatment. After careful planning, they sent people to the hotels where our patients were staying, trying to draw our patients in. In
    the temptation of money, very few patients joined them.

    Without any evidence, they spread rumors that there were people who contracted HCV at our clinic, and tried to persuade other patients to be treated at their hospital. Later on, they went to the local health department and reported that our clinic spread
    HCV (Hepatitis C).

    Changsha Municipal Health Bureau and Drug Administration came to our clinic, and did a comprehensive examination, and they concluded that HCV cannot be spread at our clinic. Our medicine, equipment, environmental hygiene and disinfection are all
    qualified.

    Their plot failed again, and then they sent us emails and asked for money, and threatened that if we do not give them the money, they will send posts on the internet and tell patients we are spreading HCV. We warned them, but they still created the HCV
    rumors.

    When this happened, we informed our patients who were receiving treatment at the clinic what happened, and showed them the medicine and equipment we were using. All our patients chose to continue their treatments, and they supported the clinic, and
    condemned those people.

    We were impressed that our patients spontaneously organized and went to the health administrative department to prove that our techniques were advanced, and the treatment process was safe and not possible that HCV could have been spread at our clinic.

    The funny thing is the rumor mongers never provided their HCV test results they had before or after the treatment.

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  • From prostatecure3d@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 20 17:37:20 2016
    在 2008年5月20日星期二 UTC+8上午7:49:55,Steve Malthus写道:
    Does anyone else have the details about all guys who went to China to be treated by Dr Song and ended up infected with Hepatitis C?

    http://www.chronicprostatitis.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=5486

    In 2007, the boss of a private hospital in Changsha came to Dr. Song and wanted to cooperate with Dr. Song in running the prostatitis treatment.

    In the communication process, Dr. Song found out that that the man had a poor reputation, so he refused to cooperate with him.

    Later on, they sent someone to the clinic and stole part of the 3D technique, and falsely claimed that it was their research result, and they opened a prostate specialist clinic.

    Because their techniques are not qualified and they lost patients’ trust, patients still came to our clinic for our treatment. After careful planning, they sent people to the hotels where our patients were staying, trying to draw our patients in. In
    the temptation of money, very few patients joined them.

    Without any evidence, they spread rumors that there were people who contracted HCV at our clinic, and tried to persuade other patients to be treated at their hospital. Later on, they went to the local health department and reported that our clinic spread
    HCV (Hepatitis C).

    Changsha Municipal Health Bureau and Drug Administration came to our clinic, and did a comprehensive examination, and they concluded that HCV cannot be spread at our clinic. Our medicine, equipment, environmental hygiene and disinfection are all
    qualified.

    Their plot failed again, and then they sent us emails and asked for money, and threatened that if we do not give them the money, they will send posts on the internet and tell patients we are spreading HCV. We warned them, but they still created the HCV
    rumors.

    When this happened, we informed our patients who were receiving treatment at the clinic what happened, and showed them the medicine and equipment we were using. All our patients chose to continue their treatments, and they supported the clinic, and
    condemned those people.

    We were impressed that our patients spontaneously organized and went to the health administrative department to prove that our techniques were advanced, and the treatment process was safe and not possible that HCV could have been spread at our clinic.

    The funny thing is the rumor mongers never provided their HCV test results they had before or after the treatment.

    We contacted our former patients and suggested they have their HCV checked. Only two of them tested positive for HCV. These two patients were very grateful to our clinic for helping them find the potential problem. The infectious specialists found they
    already had fibrous lesions in their livers. This showed they have had HCV infection for more than10 years and could not have contracted it at our clinic.

    This is the truth. Everyone should know by now that those false negative forum posts are slander. The so called alleged HCV event in 2008 was proved to be a scheme made by a few bad people in purpose of blackmail and our competition enjoys keeping the
    story alive. You should notice that they do not provide any tests reports and/or useful information. The information is just slanderous written by the same individuals.

    Since 2008, the clinical pre-treatment testing we perform is mandatory, which includes HIV, HCV, etc. We also do patient screening. Since we instituted these polices we had no such false claims and/or problems at our clinic. Patients should provide their
    own recent AIDS and Hepatitis (A, B, and C) inspection reports.

    Currently, some countries have begun to make laws. Those people who make online rumors will be prosecuted according to law. For those people who spread online rumors and attacked our clinic, we will seek for legal approach actively, so that these people
    can be punished by law.

    For the last 20 years, none of our patients’ condition got “worse after treatment”, "caused complications such as transmission of hepatitis C”, etc.

    If this had happened at our clinic, our medical license would have been revoked by the Chinese Health Authority already. You should not believe those ridiculous rumors.

    Those people created this event; their plot did not succeed, but until now, they have not been punished by law, and the online rumors still exist. And there are still some patients asking what is the truth of this event. Therefore, our clinic in Changsha
    releases this announcement.

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  • From prostatecure3d@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 20 17:38:11 2016
    在 2008年5月20日星期二 UTC+8上午7:49:55,Steve Malthus写道:
    Does anyone else have the details about all guys who went to China to be treated by Dr Song and ended up infected with Hepatitis C?

    http://www.chronicprostatitis.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=5486

    Our Clinic in Changsha is tidy and clean. We use ultraviolet rays to sterilize all the treatment rooms every day as well as washing all surfaces with antiseptic.

    All the needles, syringes, and other medical supplies are disposable. They are all qualified medical products approved by the Chinese FDA. We always use the latest disposable medical supplies. Normally we will not store them in the clinic over three
    months. We strictly stick to aseptic operation rules.

    Our clinic has a complete sterilization system. We are strictly in accordance with the disinfection management measures for China’s Ministry of Health requirements, carrying out each disinfection and sterilization, and environmental hygiene according
    to the highest standards.
    The Changsha Health Authority comes to check our clinic every year, All the inspection reports are qualified. The medical license and all the medical items performed at our clinic are approved by the Chinese Health Authority.

    Our doctors all have doctor medical certificates and practicing certificates. All we do at the clinic meets Chinese and international standards.

    We have been using qualified disposable syringes and needles. And we never use blood products. It is not possible that infection can be spread at our clinic.

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  • From lucasapvelma@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Steve Malthus on Mon Nov 21 05:55:06 2016
    On Tuesday, May 20, 2008 at 7:49:55 AM UTC+8, Steve Malthus wrote:
    Does anyone else have the details about all guys who went to China to be treated by Dr Song and ended up infected with Hepatitis C?

    http://www.chronicprostatitis.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=5486

    I have received 5 courses of such treatments as intravenous drip and oral antibiotics, very painful interventional therapy, microwave therapy, enema with Chinese herbal medicines, sitz bath, and physical therapy. During the process of mentioned
    treatments, symptoms have some relieved, but they begin to attack again after these treatments stopped. They are effective in a short term but they fail to address the substantive issues. Dr. Song found my prostate blockage was serious, and Trans-rectal
    Ultrasonography showed serious calcification. Through 3D treatment, I discharged a large amount of particles, and now I am basically cured. As a prostatitis patient, , I have experienced the catastrophe of this disease. The reason why I left a message
    here is hoping that other patients who have taken so many detours and suffered so much torture like me, believe in science and receive an effective treatment as early as possible.

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  • From mckinneyiomiriam@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Steve Malthus on Tue Nov 22 03:59:21 2016
    On Tuesday, May 20, 2008 at 7:49:55 AM UTC+8, Steve Malthus wrote:
    Does anyone else have the details about all guys who went to China to be treated by Dr Song and ended up infected with Hepatitis C?

    http://www.chronicprostatitis.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=5486

    I come from the United States, and my prostate reached up to 60 grams; but in the past 2 months, I have had to indwell catheter every day. After I received treatment in the 3D Clinic for a week, I don't need to use a catheter now, though my urine flow is
    a little weak, and I have slight urinary frequency, I am slowly improving. I also met a Canadian patient whose prostate was up to 240 grams, 20 times more than that of normal people. OMG! I heard his prostate has currently shrunk by a half through 2
    courses of treatment, and his PSA returns to normal from 19. Though his prostate reached up to 240 grams before receiving Dr. Song’s treatment, he did not encounter any dangerous condition at that time expect only a few times of the catheter he used a
    month. He should know much knowledge about maintaining his large prostate, particularly with regard to food. He is also doing prostate research with natural therapy. If you are interested in this, you can search his prostate natural therapies site. http:
    //www.naturalprostate.com/prostate-clinics.html

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  • From gregorynrsonia@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Steve Malthus on Tue Nov 22 17:53:42 2016
    On Tuesday, May 20, 2008 at 7:49:55 AM UTC+8, Steve Malthus wrote:
    Does anyone else have the details about all guys who went to China to be treated by Dr Song and ended up infected with Hepatitis C?

    http://www.chronicprostatitis.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=5486


    My husband visited Dr Song a few years ago in Changsha after trying everything in the USA where we live. Dr Song cured him after 2 lengthy trips to China. He also treated me so we weren't reinfecting each other. We now have 2 kids and are both still
    healthy several years later. Although mentally we will never forget the pure hell we went through with our health. There are stories floating around the net about Dr Song infecting patients with Hep C. I believe this is crap. My husband was in China
    seeing Dr song around this time. The China health department came in after a complaint was made and fully investigated Dr. Song. If he was engaging in unsafe practices they would have closed him down and taken his medical license away. The patients going
    to see Dr Song are going to be the most high risk individuals out there. They are going to see him regarding sexually transmitted diseases/infections after all. Dr Song was not testing patients for Hep C before they came to see him. Therefore some of
    these high risk individuals would have Hep C before they went there. Dr Song told a patient that he was displaying signs of Hep C and should get tested. The patient cried foul and went on a campaign telling other patients that had been to Dr Song to get
    tested for Hep C. Obviously some of these also had it. Out of 100's that ran out and got tested 4 or 5 turned up positive. I believe Dr Song was falsely maligned and I think it is very sad that people are not getting the help from this wonderful
    physician because of false accusations. I would go back to his clinic in a heart beat. I tried to get the urology dept at our hospital here to contact him and learn about his treatment and testing. Obviously they were interested in how we had gotten well
    since they knew our medical history but wouldn't pursue it because they felt America was more medically advanced than China. This arrogance among American doctors has prevented the treatment being available here as it should be

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  • From milesnsbecky@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 22 19:54:43 2016
    Dr. Song’s 3D Treatment for prostatitis has gained more and more recognition from most of patients. In 3D Clinic, I saw patients from different countries. Also, I have luckily met a patient who is a European millionaire on the Forbes Rich list, and a
    patient who is minister from the Philippines. What they said is right, prostatitis treatment is a worldwide difficult problem, so prostatitis is called “cancer” which does not belong to the cancer-family for real

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  • From songwarning@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 11 14:09:59 2017
    Wow. Seven posts praising Song have been sent during 21-23.11.2016. Amazing. What a coincidence, all of them found this group and decided to post here almost the at same time.
    Hello Song's salesman. John is it still you? How is business going. Are you still pretending to be medical doctor? Does Song still inject steroids? Is he still finding chlamydia in all patients when he doesn't have a clue why patient has pain?

    Yes I met in song's clinic patients from many countries too. None of them was cured. NONE. And many including me experience terrible side effects (in my case one of them is significantly increased pain).
    Song was selling dreams to people in despair and was providing temporary relief by injecting steroids. Not only Song's clinic i scam in China, avoid at all cost ALL clinics in China claiming they found miraculous cure (especially when they do prostate/
    epididymitis injections!!!)

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  • From ishrat.hasan150@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 13 05:58:25 2017
    Hi, can you give me your email address details so that I can communicate you for more information.

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  • From prostatecure3d@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 18 05:40:11 2017
    在 2008年5月20日星期二 UTC+8上午7:49:55,Steve Malthus写道:
    Does anyone else have the details about all guys who went to China to be treated by Dr Song and ended up infected with Hepatitis C?

    http://www.chronicprostatitis.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=5486

    Prostatitis-Infertility Treatment Clinic in China
    4.298913043481 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 Rating 4.31 (93 Votes)
    Review of the Prostatitis Treatment Clinic in China; treating Prostatitis, Pelvic Inflammatory Disease and Infertility (resulting from infection)

    This Clinic is one of the main Direct Injection Clinics in the world and has been treating many Western patients for more than a decade.

    They have several important differences in their treatment protocol from those of North America and Europe;

    Based on long first-hand experience, they are an authority Clinic in the detection and eradication of genitourinary infection in men and women, many of their patients coming from North America.
    They have a crucial difference in their injected formulas, extra to infection-killing antibiotics, and this difference is probably a key to their success. Only one Clinic in Europe is trying to replicate this factor (Dr Guercini) with less success due to
    the short treatment period they offer (far too few injections). This difference is their formula for breaking down blocked and infected ducts, tracts and passageways, exposing hidden infection which can be killed by the antibiotic/antifungal injections
    being administered. Without this "unblocking" injected formula, they say that any treatment for Prostatitis and PID has a much lower success rate.
    Unlike several North American Clinics they do not use trans-rectal injections, rather fine-needle intra-perineal injections which may be preferable.
    Unlike the other leading Clinics (whether treating Prostatitis or PID), they believe that 3 - 10 injections as administered by Drs Bahn, Guercini, Toth etc., as well as the period of days to a week inbetween are totally insufficient for a lasting
    condition cure. They typically administer bi-lateral (2) injections on a daily basis for at least 30 days, depending on isolated pathogens and progressive treatment results.
    They have recently opened another Clinic treating BPH (Benign Prostatic Hyperplasia) in men. They have developed another proprietary process for this.
    What are the Pros and Cons of seeking treatment at this Chinese Clinic?
    Pros:

    Please help other sufferers of Prostatitis by commenting about what's worked for you at the bottom of this page..
    If you feel isolated, frustrated (every Doctor seems to minimize your condition) and you are prepared to apply yourself to cure your Prostatitis.. Go Here And Read About How I Got Cured
    .. and don't forget, changing your lifestyle can often make a great difference to your symptoms while following the information I provide for you starts to work. You can write to me here
    This is a long-established treatment center treating all forms of Prostatitis, PID and infertility related to infection, male and female.
    An "unblocking" process of a level unrivalled by other World Clinics except for Dr Guercini in Rome.
    All non-medical expenses are low-priced by Western country standards. 4
    Per injection charges are a fraction of what Doctors like Guercini and Toth charge, but the longer treatment period adds up to about the same for the shorter treatment periods at other Clinics
    Cons:

    Their Prostatitis/Infertility treatment is a proprietary process, unavailable elsewhere, therefore a patient must travel to China for treatment . 3
    They are unlikely to agree to anything less than a 30 day period as they state that their treatment period is one of the cornerstones of their success.
    Being a long-established clinic they have come in for a fair share of the anonymous vitriol that haunts poorly-moderated forums. The main subject is alleged cases of hepatitis which apparently date to 2007. Our own personal experience in the far more
    recent past encountered nothing that could be seen as less than an acceptable standard of hygiene and care.
    NB: From time to time we get accused of being an "Agent" of a Prostatitis Treatment Clinic. Depending on the degree of wackiness of any one accuser, this has included any and all Clinics, with the Chinese Clinic being at the top of the list.. FOR THE
    RECORD, WE HAVE NO AFFILIATION OF ANY KIND WITH ANY CLINIC, OUR OBSERVATIONS AND RATINGS ARE THE RESULT OF OUR OWN TREATMENT EXPERIENCES AND THOSE OF THOUSANDS OF PATIENTS WHO HAVE WRITTEN TO US. If you can find assistance through what you read on this
    website about any one Clinic, you are welcome, however do your own due diligence thoroughly, ask any Clinic for references of recent past patients and email them directly yourself.

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  • From prostatecure3d@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 18 05:41:09 2017
  • From prostatecure3d@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 18 05:39:46 2017
    在 2008年5月20日星期二 UTC+8上午7:49:55,Steve Malthus写道:
    Does anyone else have the details about all guys who went to China to be treated by Dr Song and ended up infected with Hepatitis C?

    Prostatitis-Infertility Treatment Clinic in China
    4.298913043481 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 Rating 4.31 (93 Votes)
    Review of the Prostatitis Treatment Clinic in China; treating Prostatitis, Pelvic Inflammatory Disease and Infertility (resulting from infection)

    This Clinic is one of the main Direct Injection Clinics in the world and has been treating many Western patients for more than a decade.

    They have several important differences in their treatment protocol from those of North America and Europe;

    Based on long first-hand experience, they are an authority Clinic in the detection and eradication of genitourinary infection in men and women, many of their patients coming from North America.
    They have a crucial difference in their injected formulas, extra to infection-killing antibiotics, and this difference is probably a key to their success. Only one Clinic in Europe is trying to replicate this factor (Dr Guercini) with less success due to
    the short treatment period they offer (far too few injections). This difference is their formula for breaking down blocked and infected ducts, tracts and passageways, exposing hidden infection which can be killed by the antibiotic/antifungal injections
    being administered. Without this "unblocking" injected formula, they say that any treatment for Prostatitis and PID has a much lower success rate.
    Unlike several North American Clinics they do not use trans-rectal injections, rather fine-needle intra-perineal injections which may be preferable.
    Unlike the other leading Clinics (whether treating Prostatitis or PID), they believe that 3 - 10 injections as administered by Drs Bahn, Guercini, Toth etc., as well as the period of days to a week inbetween are totally insufficient for a lasting
    condition cure. They typically administer bi-lateral (2) injections on a daily basis for at least 30 days, depending on isolated pathogens and progressive treatment results.
    They have recently opened another Clinic treating BPH (Benign Prostatic Hyperplasia) in men. They have developed another proprietary process for this.
    What are the Pros and Cons of seeking treatment at this Chinese Clinic?
    Pros:

    Please help other sufferers of Prostatitis by commenting about what's worked for you at the bottom of this page..
    If you feel isolated, frustrated (every Doctor seems to minimize your condition) and you are prepared to apply yourself to cure your Prostatitis.. Go Here And Read About How I Got Cured
    .. and don't forget, changing your lifestyle can often make a great difference to your symptoms while following the information I provide for you starts to work. You can write to me here
    This is a long-established treatment center treating all forms of Prostatitis, PID and infertility related to infection, male and female.
    An "unblocking" process of a level unrivalled by other World Clinics except for Dr Guercini in Rome.
    All non-medical expenses are low-priced by Western country standards. 4
    Per injection charges are a fraction of what Doctors like Guercini and Toth charge, but the longer treatment period adds up to about the same for the shorter treatment periods at other Clinics
    Cons:

    Their Prostatitis/Infertility treatment is a proprietary process, unavailable elsewhere, therefore a patient must travel to China for treatment . 3
    They are unlikely to agree to anything less than a 30 day period as they state that their treatment period is one of the cornerstones of their success.
    Being a long-established clinic they have come in for a fair share of the anonymous vitriol that haunts poorly-moderated forums. The main subject is alleged cases of hepatitis which apparently date to 2007. Our own personal experience in the far more
    recent past encountered nothing that could be seen as less than an acceptable standard of hygiene and care.
    NB: From time to time we get accused of being an "Agent" of a Prostatitis Treatment Clinic. Depending on the degree of wackiness of any one accuser, this has included any and all Clinics, with the Chinese Clinic being at the top of the list.. FOR THE
    RECORD, WE HAVE NO AFFILIATION OF ANY KIND WITH ANY CLINIC, OUR OBSERVATIONS AND RATINGS ARE THE RESULT OF OUR OWN TREATMENT EXPERIENCES AND THOSE OF THOUSANDS OF PATIENTS WHO HAVE WRITTEN TO US. If you can find assistance through what you read on this
    website about any one Clinic, you are welcome, however do your own due diligence thoroughly, ask any Clinic for references of recent past patients and email them directly yourself.

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  • From prostatecure3d@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 18 05:44:24 2017
    在 2008年5月20日星期二 UTC+8上午7:49:55,Steve Malthus写道:
    Does anyone else have the details about all guys who went to China to be treated by Dr Song and ended up infected with Hepatitis C?

    http://www.chronicprostatitis.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=5486

    Their Prostatitis/Infertility treatment is a proprietary process, unavailable elsewhere, therefore a patient must travel to China for treatment . 3
    They are unlikely to agree to anything less than a 30 day period as they state that their treatment period is one of the cornerstones of their success.
    Being a long-established clinic they have come in for a fair share of the anonymous vitriol that haunts poorly-moderated forums. The main subject is alleged cases of hepatitis which apparently date to 2007. Our own personal experience in the far more
    recent past encountered nothing that could be seen as less than an acceptable standard of hygiene and care.

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  • From treborhealey@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 27 12:28:46 2017
    after extension research, it appears the majority of perceived prostate probs are more about muscular issues or Chronic Pelvic Pain Syndrome. I'd recommend looking into that for any of you at the point of despair. It helped me and continues to help and
    it empowers to understand and treat my own condition after 20 years. Dr. Wise and his group are hip to this too though I think they are charging too much money.

    This is a better group who are just great folks, not out to fleece anyone and really helpful with info, etc. Good honest people, I felt so fortunate to find them and get their treatment.

    I wouldn't go near those Chinese clinics, as they dont offer any proof of anything. It's like the alt truth of prostate treatment, thats what it looks like to me. I challenge them: publish your treatment details and get a legit western university to
    study it and then we'll talk

    http://www.pelvicpainrehab.com

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  • From ishrat.hasan150@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Steve Malthus on Tue Mar 28 21:59:02 2017
    On Tuesday, May 20, 2008 at 5:19:55 AM UTC+5:30, Steve Malthus wrote:
    Does anyone else have the details about all guys who went to China to be treated by Dr Song and ended up infected with Hepatitis C?

    http://www.chronicprostatitis.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=5486

    Hi Can I get your email address so that I can know more about this.

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  • From abhishekagrakk@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Steve Malthus on Thu May 4 23:28:16 2017
    On Tuesday, May 20, 2008 at 7:49:55 AM UTC+8, Steve Malthus wrote:
    Does anyone else have the details about all guys who went to China to be treated by Dr Song and ended up infected with Hepatitis C?

    http://www.chronicprostatitis.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=5486

    http://www.naturalprostate.com/3d-prostate-cure-a-scam.html


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    Clinic Response

    More importantly I would read through the site very carefully so you fully understand their approach. It's an eye-opener. You will learn a lot about the real causes of prostate disease and why Dr Song's methods are such a breakthrough. If it doesn't make
    sense to you, then don't go.

    Dr Song's 3D Prostate Clinic leads the world in prostate diagnosis and treatment.

    Ask yourself this question. Why is it the only prostate clinic that exams prostate fluid under a microscope? Why don't other urologists do this most basic procedure. And why isn't this taught in medical school?

    The prostate gland produces fluids. Why would your doctor not want to see what it shows? It would answer many mysteries to current urological knowledge.

    Dr Song had the insight to do this prostate examination many years ago and it lead to his insights on targeted precision medicines to destroy the pathogens.

    I have posted on his website under testimonials my own medical report were you can see the effects of the treatment on my infections in the prostate.

    This treatment is not for everybody as it demands time and expense and a willingness to allow natural healing to take place after the treatment.

    I am in that stage now of 3-6 months for the medicines of the last round to increase the discharge of residues and to continue the shrinkage of my prostate. And I can eat anything I want now, which is a huge change.

    Oh once you spend time at the clinic and get to know the doctors you realize that these attacks from years ago are nonsense. The doctors are honest, very hard working and take all the time needed to diagnose and discuss your condition and treatment with
    you.

    You can go there and see what they say without paying upfront. You pay only if you start your treatment and it is due during your first week.

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  • From germantalk@hotmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 4 01:46:09 2017
    Hi, can you tell me more what happened to you when you went to Dr. Song? my husband is currently travelling to china to get some treatments from him. I'm totally lost, there are so many negative reviews about him. thanks

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?4oqZ77y/4oqZ?=@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 4 09:31:42 2017
    Prostatitis Treatment

    Prostatitis treatment has many options between conventional pharmaceutical drugs and many natural, complementary and alternative treatments. Your prostatitis treatment program will depend on whether you are diagnosed with bacterial or nonbacterial
    prostatitis and whether your prostatitis is chronic or acute.

    Because chronic prostatitis/chronic pelvic pain syndrome (CP/CPPS) can have so many different causes, you will most likely need to try many different prostatitis treatments to find relief. The UPOINT system of diagnosing and treating prostatitis can help
    your doctor narrow down the types of symptoms to treat, determine the potential causes of your prostatitis. Through the UPOINT (Urinary, Psychosocial, Organ Specific, Infection, Neurologic/Systemic, Tenderness of Skeletal Muscles) system your health care
    provider can classify your symptoms, and use that information to personalize a treatment program for you that treats your specific problems rather that just throwing the regular course of treatment at you and hoping something works. This will help you
    avoid being subjected to chemicals and treatments that are not right for your condition. In addition, the NPAT/CPPS system developed by Dr. Geo Espinosa, a naturopathic urologist, takes a whole body approach to treating chronic prostatitis incorporating
    natural and alternative treatments in applying a multimodal approach to treating CPPS.

    NPAT stands for:

    Natural treatments (ALCAT, elimination diets, and wheat-free diets) Phytotherapy (pollen and quercetin together with probiotics)
    Alternative treatments (acupuncture, prostate massage, pelvic rehabilitation and therapy)
    Total body (exercise, chronic stress management, lifestyle)
    Both UPOINT and NPAT/CPPS utilize Phytotherapy for chronic prostatitis/CPPS which has been shown to have long-term favorable outcomes for CPPS patients.

    Unfortunately, many doctors immediately prescribe antibiotics for prostatitis whether you have a bacterial or nonbacterial cause. The problem with this is that if you do not have an infection—and about 95% of prostatitis cases are nonbacterial—
    antibiotics won’t work. Some of the antibiotics such as Cipro have some nasty side effects and can cause serious long-term debilitating health problems. Overuse of antibiotics can also lead to antibiotic resistance. This can mean problems for you down
    the road if you do get an infection that requires antibiotics because the antibiotics won’t work as well as you need them to. Studies show that the majority of men who get infections after having a prostate biopsy had previously taken antibiotics, so
    the Cipro given to prevent infection did not work as well as it did for men who hadn’t previously taken it.

    If you are suffering from bacterial prostatitis, obviously you will need to take antibiotics initially. But in the case of chronic bacterial prostatitis, studies have shown that taking supplements in addition to antibiotics is better for symptom relief
    and for keeping the symptoms from recurring in the months following treatment. For all kinds of prostatitis a multimodal treatment program is going to be the best bet, especially since there are many chronic prostatitis causes.

    There are many natural prostatitis treatments to help boost your immunity and help relieve your prostatitis symptoms. Dr. Geo’s NPAT/CPPS Program is a whole body approach to healing by looking at diet, possible allergens, foods to avoid and other
    aspects that will help you with prostatitis and overall wellness for the long-term. Look into supplements such as Quercetin, Turmeric and Pollen Extract and minerals such as zinc. There are many prostatitis supplements that work well with each other and
    other treatments to support prostate health, reduce inflammation, and help support your urinary health as well.

    Alternative prostatitis treatments include a diverse variety of therapies that can help you regain wellness, relieve pain, relieve stress, and rehabilitate your pelvic floor. You have many choices depending on your symptoms and the cause of your problems.
    Taking probiotics for prostatitis can help restore your digestive health, which is particularly important after being on a course of antibiotics. There are also stress management techniques and exercises for relieving tension in the pelvic floor as well
    as prostate massage, acupuncture, biofeedback therapy, and many more.

    A holistic approach is easier on your body. The good thing about alternative and natural prostatitis treatments is that they offer therapeutic relief without the negative side effects that you may get from taking muscle relaxers, nonsteroidal anti-
    inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs), and antidepressants, which are often prescribed for CPPS. Drugs that help with urinary flow such as alpha blockers and 5-alpha reductase inhibitors (Flomax, Avodart, Proscar etc) also come with serious negative sexual and
    other side effects, so looking toward natural products that can act in similar ways will also help preserve your quality of life and keep from creating new problems for you.

    Treating your prostatitis holistically includes eating well, maintaining a healthy weight, and adopting other healthy habits such as avoiding certain foods, additives, and chemicals. A holistic route will boost your immune system and hopefully treat not
    just your symptoms but also the source of your prostatitis so you can keep it from coming back.

    See also: What is the Prostate?




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  • From majed.khalaf7@gmail.com@21:1/5 to germa...@hotmail.com on Fri Jun 23 17:32:22 2017
    On Sunday, June 4, 2017 at 4:46:10 AM UTC-4, germa...@hotmail.com wrote:
    Hi, can you tell me more what happened to you when you went to Dr. Song? my husband is currently travelling to china to get some treatments from him. I'm totally lost, there are so many negative reviews about him. thanks

    Hello,

    Can you please tell me if it was a success for your husband who went there this June, because i want to go there as well. But after reading this form am getting worried. PLEASE... IT will be really helpful to know from someone who had first hand on
    experience.

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  • From Alisa Wang@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 26 01:02:28 2017
    在 2008年5月20日星期二 UTC+8上午7:49:55,Steve Malthus写道:
    Does anyone else have the details about all guys who went to China to be treated by Dr Song and ended up infected with Hepatitis C?

    http://www.chronicprostatitis.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=5486

    We are a medical facility specialized in the urology, which has the relevant medical qualifications required by the Chinese government. And our doctors at the clinic are qualified with practitioner qualifications. Since the opening of the clinics, we
    have strictly abided by such relevant laws, regulations and ethic norms as practitioner practice, medical equipment and others stipulated by China mainland. There has never been a case at the clinics where any patient was infected with HVC. Our clinics
    have opened and managed for more than 20 years that are medical facilities approved by governmental health bureau of People's Republic of China. It is very strict about the check towards the medical facilities and there are regular checks every year to
    guarantee the medical safety. In fact, the relevant health departments of Chinese government conduct rigorous inspections to all medical institutions every year, for which our medicines, medical equipment, environmental sanitation and disinfection are
    qualified. Therefore, HCV simply cannot spread in our clinic; otherwise our clinic would not have been open so far. This is a very malicious slander post in violation with the law which the governmental health department has clarified this over 10 years
    before and proved that it is the slander。For its details, please refer to the following link:

    http://www.prostatitiscure.com/announcement.html

    According to the provisions of Article 36 of the Law of the People's Republic of China on Tort Liability, network users and network service providers shall take tort liability by using the network against the civil rights and interests of others. If the
    network user uses the network service to carry out the infringement, the infringed party has the right to notify the network service provider to take the necessary measures such as deleting, shielding and disconnecting the link. If
    the network service provider fails to take the necessary measures in time after receiving the notice, the network service provider and network users shall be jointly and severally liable to the extended part of the damage. When the network service
    provider knows that network users use their network services against other people's civil rights and interests, but it does not take the necessary measures, the network service provider and network users shall bear joint and
    several liability.

    Such articles are fictitious facts that have carried out illegal slander towards our clinic. The above-mentioned articles for our competitors are spread intentionally by our competitors in China and overseas networks on the intention of discrediting our
    real treatment effectiveness and misleading patient,China's domestic network platform has cooperated with us to remove some illegal links,but in google these links very old and unlawful message page, cannot find author, cannot find webmaster,just left
    this unlawful page, so google do Sign this topic has been hidden because it was flagged for abuse。

    someone has posted the objectionable, fake, baseless and defamatory contents on google Group and google search page. These contents are baseless and defamatory by which the reputation of Dr. Xinping Song is being hurted. This is a crime of 66 Information
    technology Act.

    But it's a pity that they have run away and hidden themselves without leaving any clue to track.We actively find contact informationand address of these guys, and thus imposing sanctions against them through laws.

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  • From Alisa Wang@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 26 00:26:32 2017
    在 2008年5月20日星期二 UTC+8上午7:49:55,Steve Malthus写道:
    Does anyone else have the details about all guys who went to China to be treated by Dr Song and ended up infected with Hepatitis C?

    http://www.chronicprostatitis.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=5486

    Dear Ron,

    We are a medical facility specialized in the urology, which has the relevant medical qualifications required by the Chinese government. And our doctors at the clinic are qualified with practitioner qualifications. Since the opening of the clinics, we
    have strictly abided by such relevant laws, regulations and ethic norms as practitioner practice, medical equipment and others stipulated by China mainland. There has never been a case at the clinics where any patient was infected with HVC. Our clinics
    have opened and managed for more than 20 years that are medical facilities approved by governmental health bureau of People's Republic of China. It is very strict about the check towards the medical facilities and there are regular checks every year to
    guarantee the medical safety. In fact, the relevant health departments of Chinese government conduct rigorous inspections to all medical institutions every year, for which our medicines, medical equipment, environmental sanitation and disinfection are
    qualified. Therefore, HCV simply cannot spread in our clinic; otherwise our clinic would not have been open so far. This is a very malicious slander post in violation with the law which the governmental health department has clarified this over 10 years
    before and proved that it is the slander。For its details, please refer to the following link:

    http://www.prostatitiscure.com/announcement.html

    According to the provisions of Article 36 of the Law of the People's Republic of China on Tort Liability, network users and network service providers shall take tort liability by using the network against the civil rights and interests of others. If the
    network user uses the network service to carry out the infringement, the infringed party has the right to notify the network service provider to take the necessary measures such as deleting, shielding and disconnecting the link. If
    the network service provider fails to take the necessary measures in time after receiving the notice, the network service provider and network users shall be jointly and severally liable to the extended part of the damage. When the network service
    provider knows that network users use their network services against other people's civil rights and interests, but it does not take the necessary measures, the network service provider and network users shall bear joint and
    several liability.

    Such articles are fictitious facts that have carried out illegal slander towards our clinic. The above-mentioned articles for our competitors are spread intentionally by our competitors in China and overseas networks on the intention of discrediting our
    real treatment effectiveness and misleading patient,China's domestic network platform has cooperated with us to remove some illegal links,but in google these links very old and unlawful message page, cannot find author, cannot find webmaster,just left
    this unlawful page, so google do Sign this topic has been hidden because it was flagged for abuse。

    someone has posted the objectionable, fake, baseless and defamatory contents on google Group and google search page. These contents are baseless and defamatory by which the reputation of Dr. Xinping Song is being hurted. This is a crime of 66 Information
    technology Act.

    But it's a pity that they have run away and hidden themselves without leaving any clue to track.We actively find contact informationand address of these guys, and thus imposing sanctions against them through laws.

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  • From aaronpachyu21@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 14 17:01:07 2017
    Can you give me more information about Dr songs clinic?plz

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  • From torontocuba@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 18 12:55:13 2019
    Hello. Have you had a chance to know about this prostate treatment. Thank You. Eddy Yilmaz

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  • From torontocuba@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 18 12:57:22 2019
    Hello. Have you had a chance to know about this prostate treatment. Thank you. Eddy Yilmaz

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  • From torontocuba@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 18 12:56:51 2019
    Hello. Have you had a chance to know about this prostate treatment. Thank you. Eddy Yilmaz

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