• Army spied on lockdown critics: Sceptics, including our own Peter Hitch

    From Michael Ejercito@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 29 08:21:33 2023
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    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11687675/Army-spied-lockdown-critics-Sceptics-including-Peter-Hitchens-suspected-watched.html

    Army spied on lockdown critics: Sceptics, including our own Peter
    Hitchens, long suspected they were under surveillance. Now we've
    obtained official records that prove they were right all along
    Military operatives were part of an operation that targeted politicians
    and high-profile journalists who raised doubts about the official
    pandemic response
    READ MORE: Critics slam £14.9bn of 'extraordinary waste' on overpriced,
    faulty or unused pandemic-era equipment
    By GLEN OWEN POLITICAL EDITOR

    PUBLISHED: 17:05 EST, 28 January 2023 | UPDATED: 04:38 EST, 29 January 2023

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    A shadowy Army unit secretly spied on British citizens who criticised
    the Government's Covid lockdown policies, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.

    Military operatives in the UK's 'information warfare' brigade were part
    of a sinister operation that targeted politicians and high-profile
    journalists who raised doubts about the official pandemic response.

    They compiled dossiers on public figures such as ex-Minister David
    Davis, who questioned the modelling behind alarming death toll
    predictions, as well as journalists such as Peter Hitchens and Toby
    Young. Their dissenting views were then reported back to No 10.

    Documents obtained by the civil liberties group Big Brother Watch, and
    shared exclusively with this newspaper, exposed the work of Government
    cells such as the Counter Disinformation Unit, based in the Department
    for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport, and the Rapid Response Unit in
    the Cabinet Office.

    Military operatives in the UK¿s ¿information warfare¿ brigade were part
    of a sinister operation that targeted politicians and high-profile
    journalists
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    But the most secretive is the MoD's 77th Brigade, which deploys
    'non-lethal engagement and legitimate non-military levers as a means to
    adapt behaviours of adversaries'.

    According to a whistleblower who worked for the brigade during the
    lockdowns, the unit strayed far beyond its remit of targeting foreign
    powers.

    They said that British citizens' social media accounts were scrutinised
    – a sinister activity that the Ministry of Defence, in public,
    repeatedly denied doing.

    Papers show the outfits were tasked with countering 'disinformation' and 'harmful narratives... from purported experts', with civil servants and artificial intelligence deployed to 'scrape' social media for keywords
    such as 'ventilators' that would have been of interest.

    The information was then used to orchestrate Government responses to
    criticisms of policies such as the stay-at-home order, when police were
    given power to issue fines and break up gatherings.

    It also allowed Ministers to push social media platforms to remove posts
    and promote Government-approved lines.

    Former Cabinet Minister David Davis, a member of the Privy Council,
    said: 'It's outrageous that people questioning the Government's policies
    were subject to covert surveillance'
    +4
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    Former Cabinet Minister David Davis, a member of the Privy Council,
    said: 'It's outrageous that people questioning the Government's policies
    were subject to covert surveillance'

    The Army whistleblower said: 'It is quite obvious that our activities
    resulted in the monitoring of the UK population... monitoring the social
    media posts of ordinary, scared people. These posts did not contain
    information that was untrue or co-ordinated – it was simply fear.'

    Last night, former Cabinet Minister Mr Davis, a member of the Privy
    Council, said: 'It's outrageous that people questioning the Government's policies were subject to covert surveillance' – and questioned the waste
    of public money.

    Mail on Sunday journalist Mr Hitchens was monitored after sharing an
    article, based on leaked NHS papers, which claimed data used to publicly justify lockdown was incomplete. An internal Rapid Response Unit email
    said Mr Hitchens wanted to 'further [an] anti-lockdown agenda and
    influence the Commons vote'.

    Writing today, Mr Hitchens questions if he was 'shadow-banned' over his criticisms, with his views effectively censored by being downgraded in
    search results.

    Military operatives compiled dossiers on journalists including the
    Mail's Peter Hitchens
    Military operatives compiled dossiers on journalists including the
    Mail's Peter Hitchens

    He says: 'The most astonishing thing about the great Covid panic was how
    many attacks the state managed to make on basic freedoms without anyone
    much even caring, let alone protesting.

    Now is the time to demand a full and powerful investigation into the
    dark material Big Brother Watch has bravely uncovered.'

    The whistleblower from 77 Brigade, which uses both regular and reserve
    troops, said: 'I developed the impression the Government were more
    interested in protecting the success of their policies than uncovering
    any potential foreign interference, and I regret that I was a part of
    it. Frankly, the work I was doing should never have happened.'

    The source also suggested that the Government was so focused on
    monitoring critics it may have missed genuine Chinese-led prolockdown campaigns.

    Silkie Carlo, of Big Brother Watch, said: 'This is an alarming case of
    mission creep, where public money and military power have been misused
    to monitor academics, journalists, campaigners and MPs who criticised
    the Government, particularly during the pandemic.

    'The fact that this political monitoring happened under the guise of 'countering misinformation' highlights how, without serious safeguards,
    the concept of 'wrong information' is open to abuse and has become a
    blank cheque the Government uses in an attempt to control narratives online.

    'Contrary to their stated aims, these Government truth units are
    secretive and harmful to our democracy. The Counter Disinformation Unit
    should be suspended immediately and subject to a full investigation.'

    A Downing Street source last night said the units had scaled back their
    work significantly since the end of the lockdowns.

    This snooping was wrong, it hangs over my proud Army career like a black
    cloud
    By Anonymous (Ex-77th brigade officer)


    I was serving in the British Army in March 2020 when I was seconded to
    77th Brigade, on the basis I would be helping root out foreign state misinformation on social media.

    We were told what was legally allowed – such as 'scraping' online
    platforms for keywords – and what was illegal. This included repeatedly looking at a named UK individual's account without authorisation,
    although some people would do that from their own accounts after their
    shift.

    We would take screenshots of tweets from people expressing
    dissatisfaction with the UK Government's action against Covid. The
    project leader would then gather these screenshots and send them to the
    Cabinet Office. Feedback from the Cabinet Office would direct us over
    what to look for the next day.

    To skirt the legal difficulties of a military unit monitoring domestic
    dissent, the view was that unless a profile explicitly stated their real
    name and nationality they could be a foreign agent and were fair game.
    But it is quite obvious that our activities resulted in the monitoring
    of the UK population… the social media posts of ordinary, scared people. These posts did not contain information that was untrue or co-ordinated
    – it was simply fear.

    We learned from the feedback that the Government were very keen on
    hearing what the public thought of their Covid response.

    I entered this role believing I would be uncovering foreign information warfare. Instead, I found the banner of disinformation was a guise under
    which the British military was being deployed to monitor and flag our
    own concerned citizens. There may have actually been social media
    campaigns from China to promote lockdown policies but because we were
    directed to monitor sentiment towards the success of lockdown, we would
    have completely missed them. I had the impression the Government were
    more interested in protecting the success of their policies than
    uncovering foreign interference, and I regret that I was a part of it.

    Recently, I looked over my medals and thought of all I have done in my
    career – things I am proud of, in the defence of the people of this
    country – except my work on 'disinformation' in 77, which hangs over my career like a black cloud.

    It was about domestic perception, not national security. Frankly, the
    work I was doing should never have happened. This domestic monitoring of citizens seemed not to be driven by a desire to address the public's
    concerns, but to identify levers for compliance with controversial
    Government policies.

    I do not doubt that the activities I participated in were conceived for
    good reasons, but they were undemocratic, wrong, and should not be
    allowed to happen again.



    PETER HITCHENS: How shadowy censors tried to remove my 'unhelpful' Covid
    views from YouTube
    I have been annoying people for decades. It is my job as a journalist to
    do so. And when I look back on my career, I only regret that I did not
    annoy more of them. News is what powerful people want to keep out of the
    media. Interesting commentary strays outside the mainstream and
    challenges conventional wisdom. That is why it so often wears better,
    over time, than the standard official opinion.

    We'll have to wait and see how the Ukraine war goes, which almost
    everyone currently thinks is a good thing. But the near-unanimous view
    of the Covid crisis back in 2020 is now beginning to look a bit threadbare.

    Did we really do the right thing, squandering all that money we didn't
    have on making people stay at home? Now we're deep underwater in
    unpayable debt, the currency is shrivelling, multitudes have given up
    regular work patterns and a terrifying number of businesses are in
    permanent trouble because their customers have melted away. And we
    absolutely did not save the NHS. In fact, we made it much, much worse.

    A terrifying number of businesses are in permanent trouble because their customers have melted away
    +4
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    A terrifying number of businesses are in permanent trouble because their customers have melted away

    I was almost alone in criticising these measures when they began. In
    fact, for the first few days I was totally alone – except that The Mail
    on Sunday, upholding the proper tradition of a free press – allowed me
    to dissent and gave me generous space to do so. That was absolutely
    proper. I was responsible for what I said. The newspaper did not have to
    agree with me, but it took the civilised view that open debate favours
    the truth, or as Milton put it in his great defence of free speech, Areopagitica: 'Who ever knew Truth put to the worse, in a free and open encounter?'

    Someone had fiddled with the algorithms which guide web searches
    After a few weeks, it became clear that not everyone was as enlightened
    as The Mail on Sunday.

    Invitations from broadcasters, who had previously been friendly and
    reasonably generous with their time, stopped arriving, with a few heroic exceptions such as Mike Graham on Talk Radio.

    Various people went on to Twitter and elsewhere to ludicrously accuse me
    of 'denying' Covid or of having caused the deaths of people by
    expressing doubts about the restrictions, a very nasty slander.

    Despite having been vaccinated myself, I was simultaneously denounced as
    an 'anti-vaxxer' by Covid zealots, and became the object of fury from
    genuine anti-vaxxers who decided madly that I was a traitor even though
    I had never adopted their cause (one of these pursued me on to a train
    to shout at me, only the other day).

    We absolutely did not save the NHS. In fact, we made it much, much worse
    +4
    View gallery
    We absolutely did not save the NHS. In fact, we made it much, much worse

    But the deeper effect was harder to pin down. For it was on the
    internet, the most vital forum of all. Here, you can never be sure.

    I use Twitter a lot, but are others seeing my tweets? I have no idea,
    and will never know whether I was 'shadow-banned' – a form of censorship
    in which your impact is reduced but not actually obliterated, so hard to measure or spot.

    But at two points it was clear beyond doubt that something very creepy
    was going on. I give quite a few interviews which appear later on
    YouTube, sometimes getting more than 100,000 viewers.

    In June 2020, I gave an interview about the virus farce to two clever
    young men, Konstantin Kisin and Francis Foster, who run a popular web
    broadcast called TRIGGERnometry. I said what I have been saying here –
    that the crashing of the economy and the stifling of personal liberty
    were utterly out of proportion to the danger from Covid-19. I gave
    evidence for my view and quoted eminent experts. I do not think I said
    anything that was false or abusive. But, within a couple of hours of
    launching the interview, Konstantin and Francis noticed a very strange
    thing. It was almost impossible to find, even if you knew where to look. Usually, their programme quickly garners large numbers of viewers, and
    it had done so on a previous occasion when I'd been interviewed by them
    on another matter.

    I am pretty sure (but cannot prove) I was the victim of shadow-banning.
    Someone had fiddled with the computer algorithms, which guide the
    searches everyone makes on the World Wide Web. A lot of people kindly protested. And as mysteriously as it had been applied, the ban
    evaporated, albeit too late. The audience for the interview was
    irretrievably reduced. That's not all – on January 25, 2021, YouTube
    posted a version of a conversation I had had with Mike Graham on Talk
    Radio. But 75 seconds of the original broadcast were missing.

    A few weeks before, YouTube had suspended the entire Talk Radio station
    from its output. The ban was ended after a major public fuss. I have
    never really got to the bottom of what happened to my censored words,
    but I think I can say that someone deliberately cut them because they
    did not like the opinions I was expressing.

    I mention these things because we now have an even more worrying
    connection. The report from Big Brother Watch probably only touches the
    surface of what Government agencies were up to during the closedown of
    the country. We know they were at one stage interested in what I was up
    to, but I suspect there was a lot more than this that we will never find.

    Suppression can flourish like bindweed if it is not cut back
    But the key is Whitehall's special access to the giant internet
    companies, which, of course, include YouTube and Twitter. These shadowy monitors clearly had hotlines to the web monsters, which allowed them to
    'flag' things they did not like. Did someone whose salary was paid by
    you and me, with the special powers given to government, dislike what I
    said? Was someone else afraid that the popularity of TRIGGERnometry
    would give me and my unwelcome views a new, wider audience? I can only
    guess, and so can you.

    But the circumstantial evidence is strong. And I believe that this is
    the way censorship will reappear among us, as governments grow less
    tolerant of opposition.

    To me, the most astonishing thing about the great Covid panic was how
    many attacks the state managed to make on basic freedoms without anyone
    much even caring. This was partly because of the fear the Government had deliberately spread (as SAGE minutes reveal).

    So now is the time to demand a full and powerful investigation into the
    dark material which Big Brother Watch has bravely uncovered – and to
    stand against the tendency towards censorship and suppression which
    flourishes like bindweed if it is not ruthlessly cut back.

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    Michael Ejercito wrote:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11687675/Army-spied-lockdown-critics-Sceptics-including-Peter-Hitchens-suspected-watched.html

    Army spied on lockdown critics: Sceptics, including our own Peter
    Hitchens, long suspected they were under surveillance. Now we've
    obtained official records that prove they were right all along
    Military operatives were part of an operation that targeted politicians
    and high-profile journalists who raised doubts about the official
    pandemic response
    READ MORE: Critics slam £14.9bn of 'extraordinary waste' on overpriced, >faulty or unused pandemic-era equipment
    By GLEN OWEN POLITICAL EDITOR

    PUBLISHED: 17:05 EST, 28 January 2023 | UPDATED: 04:38 EST, 29 January 2023

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    A shadowy Army unit secretly spied on British citizens who criticised
    the Government's Covid lockdown policies, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.

    Military operatives in the UK's 'information warfare' brigade were part
    of a sinister operation that targeted politicians and high-profile >journalists who raised doubts about the official pandemic response.

    They compiled dossiers on public figures such as ex-Minister David
    Davis, who questioned the modelling behind alarming death toll
    predictions, as well as journalists such as Peter Hitchens and Toby
    Young. Their dissenting views were then reported back to No 10.

    Documents obtained by the civil liberties group Big Brother Watch, and
    shared exclusively with this newspaper, exposed the work of Government
    cells such as the Counter Disinformation Unit, based in the Department
    for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport, and the Rapid Response Unit in
    the Cabinet Office.

    Military operatives in the UK¿s ¿information warfare¿ brigade were part
    of a sinister operation that targeted politicians and high-profile >journalists
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    But the most secretive is the MoD's 77th Brigade, which deploys
    'non-lethal engagement and legitimate non-military levers as a means to
    adapt behaviours of adversaries'.

    According to a whistleblower who worked for the brigade during the
    lockdowns, the unit strayed far beyond its remit of targeting foreign
    powers.

    They said that British citizens' social media accounts were scrutinised
    – a sinister activity that the Ministry of Defence, in public,
    repeatedly denied doing.

    Papers show the outfits were tasked with countering 'disinformation' and >'harmful narratives... from purported experts', with civil servants and >artificial intelligence deployed to 'scrape' social media for keywords
    such as 'ventilators' that would have been of interest.

    The information was then used to orchestrate Government responses to >criticisms of policies such as the stay-at-home order, when police were
    given power to issue fines and break up gatherings.

    It also allowed Ministers to push social media platforms to remove posts
    and promote Government-approved lines.

    Former Cabinet Minister David Davis, a member of the Privy Council,
    said: 'It's outrageous that people questioning the Government's policies
    were subject to covert surveillance'
    +4
    View gallery
    Former Cabinet Minister David Davis, a member of the Privy Council,
    said: 'It's outrageous that people questioning the Government's policies
    were subject to covert surveillance'

    The Army whistleblower said: 'It is quite obvious that our activities >resulted in the monitoring of the UK population... monitoring the social >media posts of ordinary, scared people. These posts did not contain >information that was untrue or co-ordinated – it was simply fear.'

    Last night, former Cabinet Minister Mr Davis, a member of the Privy
    Council, said: 'It's outrageous that people questioning the Government's >policies were subject to covert surveillance' – and questioned the waste
    of public money.

    Mail on Sunday journalist Mr Hitchens was monitored after sharing an
    article, based on leaked NHS papers, which claimed data used to publicly >justify lockdown was incomplete. An internal Rapid Response Unit email
    said Mr Hitchens wanted to 'further [an] anti-lockdown agenda and
    influence the Commons vote'.

    Writing today, Mr Hitchens questions if he was 'shadow-banned' over his >criticisms, with his views effectively censored by being downgraded in
    search results.

    Military operatives compiled dossiers on journalists including the
    Mail's Peter Hitchens
    Military operatives compiled dossiers on journalists including the
    Mail's Peter Hitchens

    He says: 'The most astonishing thing about the great Covid panic was how
    many attacks the state managed to make on basic freedoms without anyone
    much even caring, let alone protesting.

    Now is the time to demand a full and powerful investigation into the
    dark material Big Brother Watch has bravely uncovered.'

    The whistleblower from 77 Brigade, which uses both regular and reserve >troops, said: 'I developed the impression the Government were more
    interested in protecting the success of their policies than uncovering
    any potential foreign interference, and I regret that I was a part of
    it. Frankly, the work I was doing should never have happened.'

    The source also suggested that the Government was so focused on
    monitoring critics it may have missed genuine Chinese-led prolockdown >campaigns.

    Silkie Carlo, of Big Brother Watch, said: 'This is an alarming case of >mission creep, where public money and military power have been misused
    to monitor academics, journalists, campaigners and MPs who criticised
    the Government, particularly during the pandemic.

    'The fact that this political monitoring happened under the guise of >'countering misinformation' highlights how, without serious safeguards,
    the concept of 'wrong information' is open to abuse and has become a
    blank cheque the Government uses in an attempt to control narratives online.

    'Contrary to their stated aims, these Government truth units are
    secretive and harmful to our democracy. The Counter Disinformation Unit >should be suspended immediately and subject to a full investigation.'

    A Downing Street source last night said the units had scaled back their
    work significantly since the end of the lockdowns.

    This snooping was wrong, it hangs over my proud Army career like a black >cloud
    By Anonymous (Ex-77th brigade officer)


    I was serving in the British Army in March 2020 when I was seconded to
    77th Brigade, on the basis I would be helping root out foreign state >misinformation on social media.

    We were told what was legally allowed – such as 'scraping' online
    platforms for keywords – and what was illegal. This included repeatedly >looking at a named UK individual's account without authorisation,
    although some people would do that from their own accounts after their
    shift.

    We would take screenshots of tweets from people expressing
    dissatisfaction with the UK Government's action against Covid. The
    project leader would then gather these screenshots and send them to the >Cabinet Office. Feedback from the Cabinet Office would direct us over
    what to look for the next day.

    To skirt the legal difficulties of a military unit monitoring domestic >dissent, the view was that unless a profile explicitly stated their real
    name and nationality they could be a foreign agent and were fair game.
    But it is quite obvious that our activities resulted in the monitoring
    of the UK population… the social media posts of ordinary, scared people. >These posts did not contain information that was untrue or co-ordinated
    – it was simply fear.

    We learned from the feedback that the Government were very keen on
    hearing what the public thought of their Covid response.

    I entered this role believing I would be uncovering foreign information >warfare. Instead, I found the banner of disinformation was a guise under >which the British military was being deployed to monitor and flag our
    own concerned citizens. There may have actually been social media
    campaigns from China to promote lockdown policies but because we were >directed to monitor sentiment towards the success of lockdown, we would
    have completely missed them. I had the impression the Government were
    more interested in protecting the success of their policies than
    uncovering foreign interference, and I regret that I was a part of it.

    Recently, I looked over my medals and thought of all I have done in my
    career – things I am proud of, in the defence of the people of this
    country – except my work on 'disinformation' in 77, which hangs over my >career like a black cloud.

    It was about domestic perception, not national security. Frankly, the
    work I was doing should never have happened. This domestic monitoring of >citizens seemed not to be driven by a desire to address the public's >concerns, but to identify levers for compliance with controversial
    Government policies.

    I do not doubt that the activities I participated in were conceived for
    good reasons, but they were undemocratic, wrong, and should not be
    allowed to happen again.



    PETER HITCHENS: How shadowy censors tried to remove my 'unhelpful' Covid >views from YouTube
    I have been annoying people for decades. It is my job as a journalist to
    do so. And when I look back on my career, I only regret that I did not
    annoy more of them. News is what powerful people want to keep out of the >media. Interesting commentary strays outside the mainstream and
    challenges conventional wisdom. That is why it so often wears better,
    over time, than the standard official opinion.

    We'll have to wait and see how the Ukraine war goes, which almost
    everyone currently thinks is a good thing. But the near-unanimous view
    of the Covid crisis back in 2020 is now beginning to look a bit threadbare.

    Did we really do the right thing, squandering all that money we didn't
    have on making people stay at home? Now we're deep underwater in
    unpayable debt, the currency is shrivelling, multitudes have given up
    regular work patterns and a terrifying number of businesses are in
    permanent trouble because their customers have melted away. And we
    absolutely did not save the NHS. In fact, we made it much, much worse.

    A terrifying number of businesses are in permanent trouble because their >customers have melted away
    +4
    View gallery
    A terrifying number of businesses are in permanent trouble because their >customers have melted away

    I was almost alone in criticising these measures when they began. In
    fact, for the first few days I was totally alone – except that The Mail
    on Sunday, upholding the proper tradition of a free press – allowed me
    to dissent and gave me generous space to do so. That was absolutely
    proper. I was responsible for what I said. The newspaper did not have to >agree with me, but it took the civilised view that open debate favours
    the truth, or as Milton put it in his great defence of free speech, >Areopagitica: 'Who ever knew Truth put to the worse, in a free and open >encounter?'

    Someone had fiddled with the algorithms which guide web searches
    After a few weeks, it became clear that not everyone was as enlightened
    as The Mail on Sunday.

    Invitations from broadcasters, who had previously been friendly and >reasonably generous with their time, stopped arriving, with a few heroic >exceptions such as Mike Graham on Talk Radio.

    Various people went on to Twitter and elsewhere to ludicrously accuse me
    of 'denying' Covid or of having caused the deaths of people by
    expressing doubts about the restrictions, a very nasty slander.

    Despite having been vaccinated myself, I was simultaneously denounced as
    an 'anti-vaxxer' by Covid zealots, and became the object of fury from
    genuine anti-vaxxers who decided madly that I was a traitor even though
    I had never adopted their cause (one of these pursued me on to a train
    to shout at me, only the other day).

    We absolutely did not save the NHS. In fact, we made it much, much worse
    +4
    View gallery
    We absolutely did not save the NHS. In fact, we made it much, much worse

    But the deeper effect was harder to pin down. For it was on the
    internet, the most vital forum of all. Here, you can never be sure.

    I use Twitter a lot, but are others seeing my tweets? I have no idea,
    and will never know whether I was 'shadow-banned' – a form of censorship
    in which your impact is reduced but not actually obliterated, so hard to >measure or spot.

    But at two points it was clear beyond doubt that something very creepy
    was going on. I give quite a few interviews which appear later on
    YouTube, sometimes getting more than 100,000 viewers.

    In June 2020, I gave an interview about the virus farce to two clever
    young men, Konstantin Kisin and Francis Foster, who run a popular web >broadcast called TRIGGERnometry. I said what I have been saying here –
    that the crashing of the economy and the stifling of personal liberty
    were utterly out of proportion to the danger from Covid-19. I gave
    evidence for my view and quoted eminent experts. I do not think I said >anything that was false or abusive. But, within a couple of hours of >launching the interview, Konstantin and Francis noticed a very strange
    thing. It was almost impossible to find, even if you knew where to look. >Usually, their programme quickly garners large numbers of viewers, and
    it had done so on a previous occasion when I'd been interviewed by them
    on another matter.

    I am pretty sure (but cannot prove) I was the victim of shadow-banning. >Someone had fiddled with the computer algorithms, which guide the
    searches everyone makes on the World Wide Web. A lot of people kindly >protested. And as mysteriously as it had been applied, the ban
    evaporated, albeit too late. The audience for the interview was
    irretrievably reduced. That's not all – on January 25, 2021, YouTube
    posted a version of a conversation I had had with Mike Graham on Talk
    Radio. But 75 seconds of the original broadcast were missing.

    A few weeks before, YouTube had suspended the entire Talk Radio station
    from its output. The ban was ended after a major public fuss. I have
    never really got to the bottom of what happened to my censored words,
    but I think I can say that someone deliberately cut them because they
    did not like the opinions I was expressing.

    I mention these things because we now have an even more worrying
    connection. The report from Big Brother Watch probably only touches the >surface of what Government agencies were up to during the closedown of
    the country. We know they were at one stage interested in what I was up
    to, but I suspect there was a lot more than this that we will never find.

    Suppression can flourish like bindweed if it is not cut back
    But the key is Whitehall's special access to the giant internet
    companies, which, of course, include YouTube and Twitter. These shadowy >monitors clearly had hotlines to the web monsters, which allowed them to >'flag' things they did not like. Did someone whose salary was paid by
    you and me, with the special powers given to government, dislike what I
    said? Was someone else afraid that the popularity of TRIGGERnometry
    would give me and my unwelcome views a new, wider audience? I can only
    guess, and so can you.

    But the circumstantial evidence is strong. And I believe that this is
    the way censorship will reappear among us, as governments grow less
    tolerant of opposition.

    To me, the most astonishing thing about the great Covid panic was how
    many attacks the state managed to make on basic freedoms without anyone
    much even caring. This was partly because of the fear the Government had >deliberately spread (as SAGE minutes reveal).

    So now is the time to demand a full and powerful investigation into the
    dark material which Big Brother Watch has bravely uncovered – and to
    stand against the tendency towards censorship and suppression which >flourishes like bindweed if it is not ruthlessly cut back.

    The only *healthy* way to stop the pandemic, thereby saving lives, in
    the UK & elsewhere is by rapidly ( http://bit.ly/RapidTestCOVID-19
    ) finding out at any given moment, including even while on-line, who
    among us are unwittingly contagious (i.e pre-symptomatic or
    asymptomatic) in order to http://tinyurl.com/ConvinceItForward (John
    15:12) for them to call their doctor and self-quarantine per their
    doctor in hopes of stopping this pandemic. Thus, we're hoping for the
    best while preparing for the worse-case scenario of the Alpha lineage
    mutations and others like the Omicron, Gamma, Beta, Epsilon, Iota,
    Lambda, Mu & Delta lineage mutations combining via
    slip-RNA-replication to form hybrids like
    http://tinyurl.com/Deltamicron that may render current COVID vaccines/monoclonals/medicines/pills no longer effective.

    Indeed, I am wonderfully hungry ( http://tinyurl.com/RapidOmicronTest
    ) and hope you, Michael, also have a healthy appetite too.

    So how are you ?









    ...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,

    HeartDoc Andrew <><
    --
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    Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
    2024 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President: http://WonderfullyHungry.org
    and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
    http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
    which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis

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  • From Michael Ejercito@21:1/5 to HeartDoc Andrew on Sun Jan 29 13:03:11 2023
    XPost: alt.bible.prophecy, uk.legal, uk.politics.misc
    XPost: alt.christnet.christianlife

    HeartDoc Andrew wrote:
    Michael Ejercito wrote:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11687675/Army-spied-lockdown-critics-Sceptics-including-Peter-Hitchens-suspected-watched.html

    Army spied on lockdown critics: Sceptics, including our own Peter
    Hitchens, long suspected they were under surveillance. Now we've
    obtained official records that prove they were right all along
    Military operatives were part of an operation that targeted politicians
    and high-profile journalists who raised doubts about the official
    pandemic response
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    faulty or unused pandemic-era equipment
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    A shadowy Army unit secretly spied on British citizens who criticised
    the Government's Covid lockdown policies, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.

    Military operatives in the UK's 'information warfare' brigade were part
    of a sinister operation that targeted politicians and high-profile
    journalists who raised doubts about the official pandemic response.

    They compiled dossiers on public figures such as ex-Minister David
    Davis, who questioned the modelling behind alarming death toll
    predictions, as well as journalists such as Peter Hitchens and Toby
    Young. Their dissenting views were then reported back to No 10.

    Documents obtained by the civil liberties group Big Brother Watch, and
    shared exclusively with this newspaper, exposed the work of Government
    cells such as the Counter Disinformation Unit, based in the Department
    for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport, and the Rapid Response Unit in
    the Cabinet Office.

    Military operatives in the UK¿s ¿information warfare¿ brigade were part >> of a sinister operation that targeted politicians and high-profile
    journalists
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    But the most secretive is the MoD's 77th Brigade, which deploys
    'non-lethal engagement and legitimate non-military levers as a means to
    adapt behaviours of adversaries'.

    According to a whistleblower who worked for the brigade during the
    lockdowns, the unit strayed far beyond its remit of targeting foreign
    powers.

    They said that British citizens' social media accounts were scrutinised
    – a sinister activity that the Ministry of Defence, in public,
    repeatedly denied doing.

    Papers show the outfits were tasked with countering 'disinformation' and
    'harmful narratives... from purported experts', with civil servants and
    artificial intelligence deployed to 'scrape' social media for keywords
    such as 'ventilators' that would have been of interest.

    The information was then used to orchestrate Government responses to
    criticisms of policies such as the stay-at-home order, when police were
    given power to issue fines and break up gatherings.

    It also allowed Ministers to push social media platforms to remove posts
    and promote Government-approved lines.

    Former Cabinet Minister David Davis, a member of the Privy Council,
    said: 'It's outrageous that people questioning the Government's policies
    were subject to covert surveillance'
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    Former Cabinet Minister David Davis, a member of the Privy Council,
    said: 'It's outrageous that people questioning the Government's policies
    were subject to covert surveillance'

    The Army whistleblower said: 'It is quite obvious that our activities
    resulted in the monitoring of the UK population... monitoring the social
    media posts of ordinary, scared people. These posts did not contain
    information that was untrue or co-ordinated – it was simply fear.'

    Last night, former Cabinet Minister Mr Davis, a member of the Privy
    Council, said: 'It's outrageous that people questioning the Government's
    policies were subject to covert surveillance' – and questioned the waste >> of public money.

    Mail on Sunday journalist Mr Hitchens was monitored after sharing an
    article, based on leaked NHS papers, which claimed data used to publicly
    justify lockdown was incomplete. An internal Rapid Response Unit email
    said Mr Hitchens wanted to 'further [an] anti-lockdown agenda and
    influence the Commons vote'.

    Writing today, Mr Hitchens questions if he was 'shadow-banned' over his
    criticisms, with his views effectively censored by being downgraded in
    search results.

    Military operatives compiled dossiers on journalists including the
    Mail's Peter Hitchens
    Military operatives compiled dossiers on journalists including the
    Mail's Peter Hitchens

    He says: 'The most astonishing thing about the great Covid panic was how
    many attacks the state managed to make on basic freedoms without anyone
    much even caring, let alone protesting.

    Now is the time to demand a full and powerful investigation into the
    dark material Big Brother Watch has bravely uncovered.'

    The whistleblower from 77 Brigade, which uses both regular and reserve
    troops, said: 'I developed the impression the Government were more
    interested in protecting the success of their policies than uncovering
    any potential foreign interference, and I regret that I was a part of
    it. Frankly, the work I was doing should never have happened.'

    The source also suggested that the Government was so focused on
    monitoring critics it may have missed genuine Chinese-led prolockdown
    campaigns.

    Silkie Carlo, of Big Brother Watch, said: 'This is an alarming case of
    mission creep, where public money and military power have been misused
    to monitor academics, journalists, campaigners and MPs who criticised
    the Government, particularly during the pandemic.

    'The fact that this political monitoring happened under the guise of
    'countering misinformation' highlights how, without serious safeguards,
    the concept of 'wrong information' is open to abuse and has become a
    blank cheque the Government uses in an attempt to control narratives online. >>
    'Contrary to their stated aims, these Government truth units are
    secretive and harmful to our democracy. The Counter Disinformation Unit
    should be suspended immediately and subject to a full investigation.'

    A Downing Street source last night said the units had scaled back their
    work significantly since the end of the lockdowns.

    This snooping was wrong, it hangs over my proud Army career like a black
    cloud
    By Anonymous (Ex-77th brigade officer)


    I was serving in the British Army in March 2020 when I was seconded to
    77th Brigade, on the basis I would be helping root out foreign state
    misinformation on social media.

    We were told what was legally allowed – such as 'scraping' online
    platforms for keywords – and what was illegal. This included repeatedly
    looking at a named UK individual's account without authorisation,
    although some people would do that from their own accounts after their
    shift.

    We would take screenshots of tweets from people expressing
    dissatisfaction with the UK Government's action against Covid. The
    project leader would then gather these screenshots and send them to the
    Cabinet Office. Feedback from the Cabinet Office would direct us over
    what to look for the next day.

    To skirt the legal difficulties of a military unit monitoring domestic
    dissent, the view was that unless a profile explicitly stated their real
    name and nationality they could be a foreign agent and were fair game.
    But it is quite obvious that our activities resulted in the monitoring
    of the UK population… the social media posts of ordinary, scared people. >> These posts did not contain information that was untrue or co-ordinated
    – it was simply fear.

    We learned from the feedback that the Government were very keen on
    hearing what the public thought of their Covid response.

    I entered this role believing I would be uncovering foreign information
    warfare. Instead, I found the banner of disinformation was a guise under
    which the British military was being deployed to monitor and flag our
    own concerned citizens. There may have actually been social media
    campaigns from China to promote lockdown policies but because we were
    directed to monitor sentiment towards the success of lockdown, we would
    have completely missed them. I had the impression the Government were
    more interested in protecting the success of their policies than
    uncovering foreign interference, and I regret that I was a part of it.

    Recently, I looked over my medals and thought of all I have done in my
    career – things I am proud of, in the defence of the people of this
    country – except my work on 'disinformation' in 77, which hangs over my
    career like a black cloud.

    It was about domestic perception, not national security. Frankly, the
    work I was doing should never have happened. This domestic monitoring of
    citizens seemed not to be driven by a desire to address the public's
    concerns, but to identify levers for compliance with controversial
    Government policies.

    I do not doubt that the activities I participated in were conceived for
    good reasons, but they were undemocratic, wrong, and should not be
    allowed to happen again.



    PETER HITCHENS: How shadowy censors tried to remove my 'unhelpful' Covid
    views from YouTube
    I have been annoying people for decades. It is my job as a journalist to
    do so. And when I look back on my career, I only regret that I did not
    annoy more of them. News is what powerful people want to keep out of the
    media. Interesting commentary strays outside the mainstream and
    challenges conventional wisdom. That is why it so often wears better,
    over time, than the standard official opinion.

    We'll have to wait and see how the Ukraine war goes, which almost
    everyone currently thinks is a good thing. But the near-unanimous view
    of the Covid crisis back in 2020 is now beginning to look a bit threadbare. >>
    Did we really do the right thing, squandering all that money we didn't
    have on making people stay at home? Now we're deep underwater in
    unpayable debt, the currency is shrivelling, multitudes have given up
    regular work patterns and a terrifying number of businesses are in
    permanent trouble because their customers have melted away. And we
    absolutely did not save the NHS. In fact, we made it much, much worse.

    A terrifying number of businesses are in permanent trouble because their
    customers have melted away
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    A terrifying number of businesses are in permanent trouble because their
    customers have melted away

    I was almost alone in criticising these measures when they began. In
    fact, for the first few days I was totally alone – except that The Mail
    on Sunday, upholding the proper tradition of a free press – allowed me
    to dissent and gave me generous space to do so. That was absolutely
    proper. I was responsible for what I said. The newspaper did not have to
    agree with me, but it took the civilised view that open debate favours
    the truth, or as Milton put it in his great defence of free speech,
    Areopagitica: 'Who ever knew Truth put to the worse, in a free and open
    encounter?'

    Someone had fiddled with the algorithms which guide web searches
    After a few weeks, it became clear that not everyone was as enlightened
    as The Mail on Sunday.

    Invitations from broadcasters, who had previously been friendly and
    reasonably generous with their time, stopped arriving, with a few heroic
    exceptions such as Mike Graham on Talk Radio.

    Various people went on to Twitter and elsewhere to ludicrously accuse me
    of 'denying' Covid or of having caused the deaths of people by
    expressing doubts about the restrictions, a very nasty slander.

    Despite having been vaccinated myself, I was simultaneously denounced as
    an 'anti-vaxxer' by Covid zealots, and became the object of fury from
    genuine anti-vaxxers who decided madly that I was a traitor even though
    I had never adopted their cause (one of these pursued me on to a train
    to shout at me, only the other day).

    We absolutely did not save the NHS. In fact, we made it much, much worse
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    We absolutely did not save the NHS. In fact, we made it much, much worse

    But the deeper effect was harder to pin down. For it was on the
    internet, the most vital forum of all. Here, you can never be sure.

    I use Twitter a lot, but are others seeing my tweets? I have no idea,
    and will never know whether I was 'shadow-banned' – a form of censorship >> in which your impact is reduced but not actually obliterated, so hard to
    measure or spot.

    But at two points it was clear beyond doubt that something very creepy
    was going on. I give quite a few interviews which appear later on
    YouTube, sometimes getting more than 100,000 viewers.

    In June 2020, I gave an interview about the virus farce to two clever
    young men, Konstantin Kisin and Francis Foster, who run a popular web
    broadcast called TRIGGERnometry. I said what I have been saying here –
    that the crashing of the economy and the stifling of personal liberty
    were utterly out of proportion to the danger from Covid-19. I gave
    evidence for my view and quoted eminent experts. I do not think I said
    anything that was false or abusive. But, within a couple of hours of
    launching the interview, Konstantin and Francis noticed a very strange
    thing. It was almost impossible to find, even if you knew where to look.
    Usually, their programme quickly garners large numbers of viewers, and
    it had done so on a previous occasion when I'd been interviewed by them
    on another matter.

    I am pretty sure (but cannot prove) I was the victim of shadow-banning.
    Someone had fiddled with the computer algorithms, which guide the
    searches everyone makes on the World Wide Web. A lot of people kindly
    protested. And as mysteriously as it had been applied, the ban
    evaporated, albeit too late. The audience for the interview was
    irretrievably reduced. That's not all – on January 25, 2021, YouTube
    posted a version of a conversation I had had with Mike Graham on Talk
    Radio. But 75 seconds of the original broadcast were missing.

    A few weeks before, YouTube had suspended the entire Talk Radio station >>from its output. The ban was ended after a major public fuss. I have
    never really got to the bottom of what happened to my censored words,
    but I think I can say that someone deliberately cut them because they
    did not like the opinions I was expressing.

    I mention these things because we now have an even more worrying
    connection. The report from Big Brother Watch probably only touches the
    surface of what Government agencies were up to during the closedown of
    the country. We know they were at one stage interested in what I was up
    to, but I suspect there was a lot more than this that we will never find.

    Suppression can flourish like bindweed if it is not cut back
    But the key is Whitehall's special access to the giant internet
    companies, which, of course, include YouTube and Twitter. These shadowy
    monitors clearly had hotlines to the web monsters, which allowed them to
    'flag' things they did not like. Did someone whose salary was paid by
    you and me, with the special powers given to government, dislike what I
    said? Was someone else afraid that the popularity of TRIGGERnometry
    would give me and my unwelcome views a new, wider audience? I can only
    guess, and so can you.

    But the circumstantial evidence is strong. And I believe that this is
    the way censorship will reappear among us, as governments grow less
    tolerant of opposition.

    To me, the most astonishing thing about the great Covid panic was how
    many attacks the state managed to make on basic freedoms without anyone
    much even caring. This was partly because of the fear the Government had
    deliberately spread (as SAGE minutes reveal).

    So now is the time to demand a full and powerful investigation into the
    dark material which Big Brother Watch has bravely uncovered – and to
    stand against the tendency towards censorship and suppression which
    flourishes like bindweed if it is not ruthlessly cut back.

    The only *healthy* way to stop the pandemic, thereby saving lives, in
    the UK & elsewhere is by rapidly ( http://bit.ly/RapidTestCOVID-19
    ) finding out at any given moment, including even while on-line, who
    among us are unwittingly contagious (i.e pre-symptomatic or
    asymptomatic) in order to http://tinyurl.com/ConvinceItForward (John
    15:12) for them to call their doctor and self-quarantine per their
    doctor in hopes of stopping this pandemic. Thus, we're hoping for the
    best while preparing for the worse-case scenario of the Alpha lineage mutations and others like the Omicron, Gamma, Beta, Epsilon, Iota,
    Lambda, Mu & Delta lineage mutations combining via
    slip-RNA-replication to form hybrids like
    http://tinyurl.com/Deltamicron that may render current COVID vaccines/monoclonals/medicines/pills no longer effective.

    Indeed, I am wonderfully hungry ( http://tinyurl.com/RapidOmicronTest
    ) and hope you, Michael, also have a healthy appetite too.

    So how are you ?

    I am wonderfully hungry!


    Michael

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  • From The REAL Revd Terence Fformby-Smyth@21:1/5 to MEjercit@HotMail.com on Mon Jan 30 15:07:00 2023
    XPost: alt.bible.prophecy, uk.legal, soc.culture.greek
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    On Sun, 29 Jan 2023 08:21:33 -0800, NOT Michael Ejercito
    <MEjercit@HotMail.com> wrote:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11687675/Army-spied-lockdown-critics-Sceptics-including-Peter-Hitchens-suspected-watched.html

    Army spied on lockdown critics: Sceptics, including our own Peter
    Hitchens, long suspected they were under surveillance. Now we've
    obtained official records that prove they were right all along
    Military operatives were part of an operation that targeted politicians
    and high-profile journalists who raised doubts about the official
    pandemic response

    What fucking relevance does this got to a jewloving slant eyed
    mongoloid infesting California such as you, gook?
    --

    Die Juden sind unser Unglück.
    - Heinrich Gotthard Freiherr von Treitschke (1834-1896)

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  • From HeartDoc Andrew@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 30 10:16:46 2023
    XPost: alt.bible.prophecy, uk.legal, uk.politics.misc
    XPost: alt.christnet.christianlife

    (Silkie) 01/30/23 REAL/KK tragically vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6) ...

    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/4tIJn_I167w/m/bKWQRUarAgAJ

    Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ

    "Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
    ever more cursed by GOD."

    Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at the continued fulfillment
    of this prophecy as clearly demonstrated within the following USENET
    threads:

    (1) Link to thread titled "LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our #1
    Example of being wonderfully hungry;"

    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/_iVmOb7q3_Q/m/E8L7TNNtAgAJ

    (2) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry;"

    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M

    (3) Link to thread titled "A very very very simple definition of sin;"

    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/xunFWhan_AM

    (4) Link to thread titled "The LORD says 'Blessed are you who hunger
    now;'"

    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM

    (5) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry like LORD Jesus;"

    https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/xPY1Uzl-ZNk/QeKLDNCpCwAJ

    ... for the continued benefit (Romans 8:28) of those of us who are http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry like GOD ( http://bit.ly/Lk2442 )
    with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to the LORD.

    Source: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/pIZcsOCJBwAJ

    Laus DEO !

    While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
    Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
    6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
    (Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
    than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

    Laus DEO ! ! !

    Bottom line: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/h5lE-mr0DAAJ

    <begin trichotomy>

    (1) Born-again (John 3:3 & 5) humans - Folks who have GOD's Help (i.e.
    Holy Spirit) to stop (John 5:14) sinning by being http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry (Philippians 4:12) **but** are still
    able to choose via their own "free will" to be instead http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) trapped in the
    entangling (Hebrews 12:1) deadly (i.e. killed immortals Adam&Eve) sin
    of gluttony (Proverbs 23:2).

    (2) Eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) humans - Folks who will never have
    GOD's Help (i.e. Holy Spirit) to stop being
    http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) as evident by their
    constant vainjangling (1 Timothy 1:6) about everything except how to
    stop (John 5:14) sinning.

    (3) Perishing humans - The remaining folks who may possibly (Matthew
    19:26) become born-again (John 3:3 & 5) as new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
    creatures in Christ.

    <end trichotomy>

    Suggested further reading:
    http://T3WiJ.com

    +++

    someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD wrote:
    HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

    Subject: The LORD says "Blessed are you who hunger now ..."

    Source: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM/NSkTJxvFBAAJ

    Shame on andrew, look at his red face.

    LIE.

    The color of my face in **not** visible here on USENET nor is the
    color of my face red for those who can see me.

    He is trying to pull a fast one. His scripture bit is found among
    these:

    '14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'

    Such are the lies coming from the lying pens of the http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) commentators.

    That which is "spiritual" is independent of time so that there
    would've been no reference to "now."

    Therefore, the LORD is referring to physical hunger here instead of
    the spiritual "hunger and thirst for righteousness" elsewhere in
    Scripture.

    Indeed, physical hunger can **not** coexist with physical thirst
    because the latter results in the loss of saliva needed for physical
    hunger.

    It is when we hunger for food "now" (Luke 6:21a) that we are able to
    eat food "now."

    No such time constraints exist for "spiritual hunger."

    Moreover, the perspective of Luke 6:21a through the eyes of a
    physician (i.e. Dr. Luke) would be logically expected to be physical
    instead of spiritual.

    All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD for His compelling you to unwittingly demonstrate your ever worsening cognitive condition which
    is tragically a consequence of His cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you more
    than ever.

    Laus DEO !

    +++

    someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
    (in a vain attempt to refute posts about being wonderfully hungry)

    Psalms
    81:10 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt: open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.

    Indeed, receiving a mouthful (Psalm 81:10) of manna from GOD will only
    make His http://HeartMDPhD.com/Redeemed want even more, so that we're
    even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD.

    Laus DEO !

    Proverbs


    13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the
    stomach of
    the wicked is in need.



    Indeed, the righteous know to be satisfied (Luke 6:21a) with an omer
    (Exodus 16:16) of manna, while the wicked need (Proverbs 13:25) this
    knowledge as evident by their eating until they are full (i.e.
    satiated).

    Joel
    2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
    the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
    people shall never be ashamed.

    Indeed, an omer (32 ounces per Revelation 6:6) of manna is plenty
    (Joel 2:26) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD and to
    the shame of you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned.

    Laus DEO ! !

    Psalms
    107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good
    things.

    Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
    manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
    full) is evil.

    Acts
    14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
    your hearts with food and gladness."

    In the interim, you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned, will
    never be satisfied (Acts 14:17) because you are ever more cursed
    (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD.

    Source: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M/KgM8NFKuAQAJ

    +++

    someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
    HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

    Subject: a very very very simple definition of sin ...

    Source: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mXmFD9kIocc/y8GNXircBQAJ

    Does andrew's "definition" agree with scripture? Let's see in 1 John:

    Actually, sin is **not** defined in 1 John 1:8-10

    John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing >> status. He includes himself in that status.

    John was a Jew instead of a Greek so there is really no reason to
    think that Greek grammar is relevant here.

    1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the
    truth is
    not in us.

    1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us
    our sins,
    and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

    1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and
    his
    word is
    not in us.

    John also wrote earlier at John 5:14 that LORD Jesus commands:

    "Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." (John 5:14)

    And, indeed, your being eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) & ever more
    cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD, as evident by your ever worsening
    cognitive deficits, is really worse.

    Now again, here's how to really stop sinning as LORD Jesus commands
    (John 5:14):

    https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ

    While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
    Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
    6:21a), I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
    (Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
    than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

    Laus DEO ! ! !

    Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
    being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
    danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
    happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
    Pastorio.

    Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
    day just 9+ years ago:

    http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html

    Again, this is done ...

    http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrew touts hunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory
    (
    http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger
    (Deuteronomy 8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby
    removing the http://tinyurl.com/HeartVAT from around the heart

    ...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,

    HeartDoc Andrew <><
    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
    2024 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President: http://WonderfullyHungry.org
    and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
    http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
    which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis

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  • From HeartDoc Andrew@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 30 10:19:36 2023
    XPost: alt.bible.prophecy, uk.legal, uk.politics.misc
    XPost: alt.christnet.christianlife

    (Silkie) 01/30/23 Again greeting (Matt 5:47) Attila here ...

    https://groups.google.com/g/alt.bible.prophecy/c/ZuzeTE71dHs/m/Sy1s7is8CQAJ

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  • From HeartDoc Andrew@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 31 11:06:39 2023
    XPost: alt.bible.prophecy, uk.legal, uk.politics.misc
    XPost: alt.christnet.christianlife

    (Silkie) 01/31/23 REAL/KK tragically vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6) ...

    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/4tIJn_I167w/m/bKWQRUarAgAJ

    Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ

    "Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
    ever more cursed by GOD."

    Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at the continued fulfillment
    of this prophecy as clearly demonstrated within the following USENET
    threads:

    (1) Link to thread titled "LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our #1
    Example of being wonderfully hungry;"

    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/_iVmOb7q3_Q/m/E8L7TNNtAgAJ

    (2) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry;"

    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M

    (3) Link to thread titled "A very very very simple definition of sin;"

    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/xunFWhan_AM

    (4) Link to thread titled "The LORD says 'Blessed are you who hunger
    now;'"

    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM

    (5) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry like LORD Jesus;"

    https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/xPY1Uzl-ZNk/QeKLDNCpCwAJ

    ... for the continued benefit (Romans 8:28) of those of us who are http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry like GOD ( http://bit.ly/Lk2442 )
    with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to the LORD.

    Source: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/pIZcsOCJBwAJ

    Laus DEO !

    While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
    Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
    6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
    (Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
    than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

    Laus DEO ! ! !

    Bottom line: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/h5lE-mr0DAAJ

    <begin trichotomy>

    (1) Born-again (John 3:3 & 5) humans - Folks who have GOD's Help (i.e.
    Holy Spirit) to stop (John 5:14) sinning by being http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry (Philippians 4:12) **but** are still
    able to choose via their own "free will" to be instead http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) trapped in the
    entangling (Hebrews 12:1) deadly (i.e. killed immortals Adam&Eve) sin
    of gluttony (Proverbs 23:2).

    (2) Eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) humans - Folks who will never have
    GOD's Help (i.e. Holy Spirit) to stop being
    http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) as evident by their
    constant vainjangling (1 Timothy 1:6) about everything except how to
    stop (John 5:14) sinning.

    (3) Perishing humans - The remaining folks who may possibly (Matthew
    19:26) become born-again (John 3:3 & 5) as new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
    creatures in Christ.

    <end trichotomy>

    Suggested further reading:
    http://T3WiJ.com

    +++

    someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD wrote:
    HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

    Subject: The LORD says "Blessed are you who hunger now ..."

    Source: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM/NSkTJxvFBAAJ

    Shame on andrew, look at his red face.

    LIE.

    The color of my face in **not** visible here on USENET nor is the
    color of my face red for those who can see me.

    He is trying to pull a fast one. His scripture bit is found among
    these:

    '14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'

    Such are the lies coming from the lying pens of the http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) commentators.

    That which is "spiritual" is independent of time so that there
    would've been no reference to "now."

    Therefore, the LORD is referring to physical hunger here instead of
    the spiritual "hunger and thirst for righteousness" elsewhere in
    Scripture.

    Indeed, physical hunger can **not** coexist with physical thirst
    because the latter results in the loss of saliva needed for physical
    hunger.

    It is when we hunger for food "now" (Luke 6:21a) that we are able to
    eat food "now."

    No such time constraints exist for "spiritual hunger."

    Moreover, the perspective of Luke 6:21a through the eyes of a
    physician (i.e. Dr. Luke) would be logically expected to be physical
    instead of spiritual.

    All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD for His compelling you to unwittingly demonstrate your ever worsening cognitive condition which
    is tragically a consequence of His cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you more
    than ever.

    Laus DEO !

    +++

    someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
    (in a vain attempt to refute posts about being wonderfully hungry)

    Psalms
    81:10 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt: open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.

    Indeed, receiving a mouthful (Psalm 81:10) of manna from GOD will only
    make His http://HeartMDPhD.com/Redeemed want even more, so that we're
    even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD.

    Laus DEO !

    Proverbs


    13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the
    stomach of
    the wicked is in need.



    Indeed, the righteous know to be satisfied (Luke 6:21a) with an omer
    (Exodus 16:16) of manna, while the wicked need (Proverbs 13:25) this
    knowledge as evident by their eating until they are full (i.e.
    satiated).

    Joel
    2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
    the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
    people shall never be ashamed.

    Indeed, an omer (32 ounces per Revelation 6:6) of manna is plenty
    (Joel 2:26) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD and to
    the shame of you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned.

    Laus DEO ! !

    Psalms
    107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good
    things.

    Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
    manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
    full) is evil.

    Acts
    14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
    your hearts with food and gladness."

    In the interim, you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned, will
    never be satisfied (Acts 14:17) because you are ever more cursed
    (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD.

    Source: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M/KgM8NFKuAQAJ

    +++

    someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
    HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

    Subject: a very very very simple definition of sin ...

    Source: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mXmFD9kIocc/y8GNXircBQAJ

    Does andrew's "definition" agree with scripture? Let's see in 1 John:

    Actually, sin is **not** defined in 1 John 1:8-10

    John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing >> status. He includes himself in that status.

    John was a Jew instead of a Greek so there is really no reason to
    think that Greek grammar is relevant here.

    1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the
    truth is
    not in us.

    1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us
    our sins,
    and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

    1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and
    his
    word is
    not in us.

    John also wrote earlier at John 5:14 that LORD Jesus commands:

    "Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." (John 5:14)

    And, indeed, your being eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) & ever more
    cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD, as evident by your ever worsening
    cognitive deficits, is really worse.

    Now again, here's how to really stop sinning as LORD Jesus commands
    (John 5:14):

    https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ

    While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
    Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
    6:21a), I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
    (Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
    than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

    Laus DEO ! ! !

    Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
    being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
    danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
    happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
    Pastorio.

    Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
    day just 9+ years ago:

    http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html

    Again, this is done ...

    http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrew touts hunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory
    (
    http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger
    (Deuteronomy 8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby
    removing the http://tinyurl.com/HeartVAT from around the heart

    ...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,

    HeartDoc Andrew <><
    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
    2024 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President: http://WonderfullyHungry.org
    and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
    http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
    which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis

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  • From HeartDoc Andrew@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 31 15:25:08 2023
    XPost: uk.legal, uk.politics.misc, soc.culture.jewish
    XPost: soc.culture.israel

    (Silkie) 01/31/23 REAL/KK haplessly vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6) ...

    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/4tIJn_I167w/m/bKWQRUarAgAJ

    Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ

    "Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
    ever more cursed by GOD."

    Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at the continued fulfillment
    of this prophecy as clearly demonstrated within the following USENET
    threads:

    (1) Link to thread titled "LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our #1
    Example of being wonderfully hungry;"

    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/_iVmOb7q3_Q/m/E8L7TNNtAgAJ

    (2) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry;"

    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M

    (3) Link to thread titled "A very very very simple definition of sin;"

    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/xunFWhan_AM

    (4) Link to thread titled "The LORD says 'Blessed are you who hunger
    now;'"

    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM

    (5) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry like LORD Jesus;"

    https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/xPY1Uzl-ZNk/QeKLDNCpCwAJ

    ... for the continued benefit (Romans 8:28) of those of us who are http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry like GOD ( http://bit.ly/Lk2442 )
    with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to the LORD.

    Source: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/pIZcsOCJBwAJ

    Laus DEO !

    While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
    Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
    6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
    (Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
    than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

    Laus DEO ! ! !

    Bottom line: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/h5lE-mr0DAAJ

    <begin trichotomy>

    (1) Born-again (John 3:3 & 5) humans - Folks who have GOD's Help (i.e.
    Holy Spirit) to stop (John 5:14) sinning by being http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry (Philippians 4:12) **but** are still
    able to choose via their own "free will" to be instead http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) trapped in the
    entangling (Hebrews 12:1) deadly (i.e. killed immortals Adam&Eve) sin
    of gluttony (Proverbs 23:2).

    (2) Eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) humans - Folks who will never have
    GOD's Help (i.e. Holy Spirit) to stop being
    http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) as evident by their
    constant vainjangling (1 Timothy 1:6) about everything except how to
    stop (John 5:14) sinning.

    (3) Perishing humans - The remaining folks who may possibly (Matthew
    19:26) become born-again (John 3:3 & 5) as new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
    creatures in Christ.

    <end trichotomy>

    Suggested further reading:
    http://T3WiJ.com

    +++

    someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD wrote:
    HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

    Subject: The LORD says "Blessed are you who hunger now ..."

    Source: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM/NSkTJxvFBAAJ

    Shame on andrew, look at his red face.

    LIE.

    The color of my face in **not** visible here on USENET nor is the
    color of my face red for those who can see me.

    He is trying to pull a fast one. His scripture bit is found among
    these:

    '14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'

    Such are the lies coming from the lying pens of the http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) commentators.

    That which is "spiritual" is independent of time so that there
    would've been no reference to "now."

    Therefore, the LORD is referring to physical hunger here instead of
    the spiritual "hunger and thirst for righteousness" elsewhere in
    Scripture.

    Indeed, physical hunger can **not** coexist with physical thirst
    because the latter results in the loss of saliva needed for physical
    hunger.

    It is when we hunger for food "now" (Luke 6:21a) that we are able to
    eat food "now."

    No such time constraints exist for "spiritual hunger."

    Moreover, the perspective of Luke 6:21a through the eyes of a
    physician (i.e. Dr. Luke) would be logically expected to be physical
    instead of spiritual.

    All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD for His compelling you to unwittingly demonstrate your ever worsening cognitive condition which
    is tragically a consequence of His cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you more
    than ever.

    Laus DEO !

    +++

    someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
    (in a vain attempt to refute posts about being wonderfully hungry)

    Psalms
    81:10 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt: open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.

    Indeed, receiving a mouthful (Psalm 81:10) of manna from GOD will only
    make His http://HeartMDPhD.com/Redeemed want even more, so that we're
    even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD.

    Laus DEO !

    Proverbs


    13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the
    stomach of
    the wicked is in need.



    Indeed, the righteous know to be satisfied (Luke 6:21a) with an omer
    (Exodus 16:16) of manna, while the wicked need (Proverbs 13:25) this
    knowledge as evident by their eating until they are full (i.e.
    satiated).

    Joel
    2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
    the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
    people shall never be ashamed.

    Indeed, an omer (32 ounces per Revelation 6:6) of manna is plenty
    (Joel 2:26) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD and to
    the shame of you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned.

    Laus DEO ! !

    Psalms
    107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good
    things.

    Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
    manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
    full) is evil.

    Acts
    14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
    your hearts with food and gladness."

    In the interim, you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned, will
    never be satisfied (Acts 14:17) because you are ever more cursed
    (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD.

    Source: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M/KgM8NFKuAQAJ

    +++

    someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
    HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

    Subject: a very very very simple definition of sin ...

    Source: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mXmFD9kIocc/y8GNXircBQAJ

    Does andrew's "definition" agree with scripture? Let's see in 1 John:

    Actually, sin is **not** defined in 1 John 1:8-10

    John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing >> status. He includes himself in that status.

    John was a Jew instead of a Greek so there is really no reason to
    think that Greek grammar is relevant here.

    1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the
    truth is
    not in us.

    1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us
    our sins,
    and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

    1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and
    his
    word is
    not in us.

    John also wrote earlier at John 5:14 that LORD Jesus commands:

    "Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." (John 5:14)

    And, indeed, your being eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) & ever more
    cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD, as evident by your ever worsening
    cognitive deficits, is really worse.

    Now again, here's how to really stop sinning as LORD Jesus commands
    (John 5:14):

    https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ

    While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
    Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
    6:21a), I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
    (Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
    than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

    Laus DEO ! ! !

    Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
    being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
    danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
    happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
    Pastorio.

    Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
    day just 9+ years ago:

    http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html

    Again, this is done ...

    http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrew touts hunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory
    (
    http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger
    (Deuteronomy 8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby
    removing the http://tinyurl.com/HeartVAT from around the heart

    ...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,

    HeartDoc Andrew <><
    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
    2024 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President: http://WonderfullyHungry.org
    and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
    http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
    which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis

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  • From HeartDoc Andrew@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 31 16:56:12 2023
    XPost: alt.bible.prophecy, uk.legal, uk.politics.misc
    XPost: alt.christnet.christianlife

    (Silkie) 01/31/23 Again greeting (Matt 5:47) Peeler ...

    https://groups.google.com/g/alt.bible.prophecy/c/SgbSB5UVar4/m/bwzAGiroDAAJ

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  • From HeartDoc Andrew@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 31 20:02:42 2023
    XPost: alt.bible.prophecy, uk.legal, uk.politics.misc
    XPost: alt.christnet.christianlife

    (Silkie) 01/31/23 REAL/KK mindlessly vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6) ...

    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/4tIJn_I167w/m/bKWQRUarAgAJ

    Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ

    "Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
    ever more cursed by GOD."

    Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at the continued fulfillment
    of this prophecy as clearly demonstrated within the following USENET
    threads:

    (1) Link to thread titled "LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our #1
    Example of being wonderfully hungry;"

    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/_iVmOb7q3_Q/m/E8L7TNNtAgAJ

    (2) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry;"

    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M

    (3) Link to thread titled "A very very very simple definition of sin;"

    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/xunFWhan_AM

    (4) Link to thread titled "The LORD says 'Blessed are you who hunger
    now;'"

    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM

    (5) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry like LORD Jesus;"

    https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/xPY1Uzl-ZNk/QeKLDNCpCwAJ

    ... for the continued benefit (Romans 8:28) of those of us who are http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry like GOD ( http://bit.ly/Lk2442 )
    with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to the LORD.

    Source: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/pIZcsOCJBwAJ

    Laus DEO !

    While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
    Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
    6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
    (Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
    than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

    Laus DEO ! ! !

    Bottom line: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/h5lE-mr0DAAJ

    <begin trichotomy>

    (1) Born-again (John 3:3 & 5) humans - Folks who have GOD's Help (i.e.
    Holy Spirit) to stop (John 5:14) sinning by being http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry (Philippians 4:12) **but** are still
    able to choose via their own "free will" to be instead http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) trapped in the
    entangling (Hebrews 12:1) deadly (i.e. killed immortals Adam&Eve) sin
    of gluttony (Proverbs 23:2).

    (2) Eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) humans - Folks who will never have
    GOD's Help (i.e. Holy Spirit) to stop being
    http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) as evident by their
    constant vainjangling (1 Timothy 1:6) about everything except how to
    stop (John 5:14) sinning.

    (3) Perishing humans - The remaining folks who may possibly (Matthew
    19:26) become born-again (John 3:3 & 5) as new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
    creatures in Christ.

    <end trichotomy>

    Suggested further reading:
    http://T3WiJ.com

    +++

    someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD wrote:
    HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

    Subject: The LORD says "Blessed are you who hunger now ..."

    Source: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM/NSkTJxvFBAAJ

    Shame on andrew, look at his red face.

    LIE.

    The color of my face in **not** visible here on USENET nor is the
    color of my face red for those who can see me.

    He is trying to pull a fast one. His scripture bit is found among
    these:

    '14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'

    Such are the lies coming from the lying pens of the http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) commentators.

    That which is "spiritual" is independent of time so that there
    would've been no reference to "now."

    Therefore, the LORD is referring to physical hunger here instead of
    the spiritual "hunger and thirst for righteousness" elsewhere in
    Scripture.

    Indeed, physical hunger can **not** coexist with physical thirst
    because the latter results in the loss of saliva needed for physical
    hunger.

    It is when we hunger for food "now" (Luke 6:21a) that we are able to
    eat food "now."

    No such time constraints exist for "spiritual hunger."

    Moreover, the perspective of Luke 6:21a through the eyes of a
    physician (i.e. Dr. Luke) would be logically expected to be physical
    instead of spiritual.

    All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD for His compelling you to unwittingly demonstrate your ever worsening cognitive condition which
    is tragically a consequence of His cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you more
    than ever.

    Laus DEO !

    +++

    someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
    (in a vain attempt to refute posts about being wonderfully hungry)

    Psalms
    81:10 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt: open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.

    Indeed, receiving a mouthful (Psalm 81:10) of manna from GOD will only
    make His http://HeartMDPhD.com/Redeemed want even more, so that we're
    even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD.

    Laus DEO !

    Proverbs


    13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the
    stomach of
    the wicked is in need.



    Indeed, the righteous know to be satisfied (Luke 6:21a) with an omer
    (Exodus 16:16) of manna, while the wicked need (Proverbs 13:25) this
    knowledge as evident by their eating until they are full (i.e.
    satiated).

    Joel
    2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
    the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
    people shall never be ashamed.

    Indeed, an omer (32 ounces per Revelation 6:6) of manna is plenty
    (Joel 2:26) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD and to
    the shame of you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned.

    Laus DEO ! !

    Psalms
    107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good
    things.

    Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
    manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
    full) is evil.

    Acts
    14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
    your hearts with food and gladness."

    In the interim, you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned, will
    never be satisfied (Acts 14:17) because you are ever more cursed
    (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD.

    Source: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M/KgM8NFKuAQAJ

    +++

    someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
    HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

    Subject: a very very very simple definition of sin ...

    Source: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mXmFD9kIocc/y8GNXircBQAJ

    Does andrew's "definition" agree with scripture? Let's see in 1 John:

    Actually, sin is **not** defined in 1 John 1:8-10

    John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing >> status. He includes himself in that status.

    John was a Jew instead of a Greek so there is really no reason to
    think that Greek grammar is relevant here.

    1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the
    truth is
    not in us.

    1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us
    our sins,
    and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

    1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and
    his
    word is
    not in us.

    John also wrote earlier at John 5:14 that LORD Jesus commands:

    "Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." (John 5:14)

    And, indeed, your being eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) & ever more
    cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD, as evident by your ever worsening
    cognitive deficits, is really worse.

    Now again, here's how to really stop sinning as LORD Jesus commands
    (John 5:14):

    https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ

    While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
    Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
    6:21a), I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
    (Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
    than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

    Laus DEO ! ! !

    Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
    being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
    danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
    happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
    Pastorio.

    Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
    day just 9+ years ago:

    http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html

    Again, this is done ...

    http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrew touts hunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory
    (
    http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger
    (Deuteronomy 8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby
    removing the http://tinyurl.com/HeartVAT from around the heart

    ...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,

    HeartDoc Andrew <><
    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
    2024 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President: http://WonderfullyHungry.org
    and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
    http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
    which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis

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