• Little by little the truth of lockdown is being admitted: it was a disa

    From Michael Ejercito@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 28 19:38:09 2022
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    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/little-by-little-the-truth-of-lockdown-is-being-admitted-it-was-a-disaster-5b5lrlgwk


    Little by little the truth of lockdown is being admitted: it was a disaster Public fear was deliberately stoked to justify decisions made on the
    hoof and based on questionable advice
    Jonathan Sumption
    Sunday August 28 2022, 12.01am BST, The Sunday Times
    Lockdown was an extreme and unprecedented response to an ancient
    problem, the challenge of epidemic disease. It was also something else.
    It marked one of the gravest governmental failures of modern times. In a remarkably candid interview with The Spectator, Rishi Sunak has blown
    the gaff on the sheer superficiality of the decision-making process of
    which he was himself part. The fundamental rule of good government is
    not to make radical decisions without understanding the likely
    consequences. It seems obvious. Yet it is at that most basic level that
    the Johnson government failed. The tragedy is that this is only now
    being acknowledged.
    Sunak makes three main points. First, the scientific advice was more
    equivocal and inconsistent than the government let on. Some of it was
    based on questionable premises that were never properly scrutinised.
    Some of it fell apart as soon it was challenged from outside the
    groupthink of the Sage advisory body. Second, to build support, the
    government stoked fear, embarking on a manipulative advertising campaign
    and endorsing extravagant graphics pointing to an uncontrolled rise in mortality if we were not locked down. Third, the government not only
    ignored the catastrophic collateral damage done by the lockdown but
    actively discouraged discussion of it, both in government and in its
    public messaging.
    Lockdown was a policy conceived in the early days by China and the World
    Health Organisation as a way of suppressing the virus altogether
    (so-called zero Covid). The WHO quickly abandoned this unrealistic
    ambition. But European countries, except Sweden, eagerly embraced
    lockdown, ripping up a decade of pandemic planning that had been based
    on concentrating help on vulnerable groups and avoiding coercion.
    At first Britain stood up against the stampede. Then Professor Neil Ferguson’s team at Imperial College London published its notorious
    “Report 9”. Sunak confirms that this was what panicked ministers into a measure that the scientists had previously rejected. If No 10 had
    studied the assumptions underlying it, it might have been less
    impressed. Report 9 assumed that in the absence of a lockdown people
    would do nothing whatever to protect themselves. This was contrary to
    all experience of human behaviour as well as to data available at the
    time, which showed that people were voluntarily reducing contacts well
    before the lockdown was announced.
    And, as Report 9 pointed out, lockdown would not destroy the virus. It
    would come back as soon as the restrictions were lifted. The policy
    therefore made sense only as a stopgap until the advent of an effective vaccine, then reckoned to be 18 months away.
    It was always obvious that you could not close down a country for months
    on end without serious consequences. The shocking thing that emerges
    from Sunak’s interview is that the government refused to take them into account. There was no assessment of the likely collateral costs of
    lockdown. There was no cost-benefit analysis. There was no planning. In government the issues were not even discussed. Sunak’s own attempts to
    raise them hit a brick wall. Ministers took refuge in evasive
    buck-passing, claiming to be “following the science”.
    Yet the critical question was never a scientific one. It was a political question, in which the likely hospital admissions and deaths from Covid
    were just one element. The scientists said it was not their job to think
    about the social or economic implications of their advice. They were
    right about that. The problem was it turned out to be no one else’s job.
    We are still paying for this negligence, and our children and
    grandchildren will be paying for it for decades to come. In 2020, UK GDP
    fell by nearly a tenth, the biggest hit to the economy for at least a
    century. According to Treasury estimates, 460,000 people left the
    workforce never to return. The policy took a wrecking ball to the public finances. The IMF estimates that government spending rose by more than
    £400 billion, or about £6,000 for every man, woman and child. Most of
    this was unproductive spending. It went on paying people for not working
    and supporting businesses forced to cease operations. At one point, in
    the spring of 2020, the government was spending about twice as much on compensating for the lockdown as it was on the NHS. Borrowing rose to
    £330 billion, a peacetime record.
    Then there are the non-financial costs. Other mortal conditions went undiagnosed and untreated. In October 2020, after four months of
    lockdown, the Office for National Statistics reported more than 25,000
    excess deaths at home from conditions such as cancer, heart disease and dementia. A year after the last lockdown ended, the NHS still has a vast backlog. Excess deaths, 95 per cent of them due to conditions other than
    Covid, are running at about 1,000 a week. There has been a huge impact
    on mental health, with children and the poor worst affected.
    Children lost two terms of face-to-face schooling. The closure of
    schools, training establishments and universities slowed the
    accumulation of skills, reducing productivity. The Institute for Fiscal
    Studies has estimated the cost to the economy at somewhere between £90
    billion and £350 billion. The best-off, with plenty of resources at
    home, will probably recover. Those who are already disadvantaged will be permanently damaged. Existing inequalities will grow a lot worse.
    The lockdown was an experiment in authoritarian government unmatched in
    our history even in wartime. Not only did the government assume powers
    over the lives of citizens that it had never previously claimed. In
    government, decision-making was concentrated in the hands of the prime minister, a man with notoriously poor judgment and little taste for
    detail. The cabinet was kept out of the loop until near the end.
    Discussion of fundamental issues was ruled out in the name of collective responsibility.
    Sunak blames the government’s hysterical public messaging for
    aggravating the economic impact of the lockdown. Other countries did not
    stoke public fear in this irresponsible way. It has, he says,
    contributed to making the UK’s recovery the slowest in Europe. That is
    no doubt true. But there is a more serious criticism. Throughout
    history, fear has been the chief instrument of authoritarian rule.
    During the lockdown it was what enabled the government to silence
    dissent and inhibit discussion.
    The result illustrated some of the worst features of top-down
    government. The lack of wider deliberation and scrutiny leads to
    decisions being made on the hoof, without proper forethought, planning
    or research. It promotes loyalty at the expense of wisdom, and flattery
    at the expense of objective advice. It encourages overconfidence,
    banishing moderation and restraint. It was only the weakening of the
    prime minister’s political authority after the Owen Paterson affair that emboldened a supine cabinet to overrule him and his scientific advisers
    for the first time in December last year when the NHS feared being
    overwhelmed by the Omicron variant.
    Ministers and scientists responsible for a policy that has inflicted
    untold misery on an entire population naturally find it hard to admit
    they may have been mistaken. But closing ranks against the public
    interest usually fails in the end. There will be more embarrassing
    disclosures after this one. The official narrative is beginning to unravel. Lord Sumption is a former Supreme Court justice

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  • From HeartDoc Andrew@21:1/5 to Michael Ejercito on Sun Aug 28 23:12:15 2022
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    Michael Ejercito wrote:

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/little-by-little-the-truth-of-lockdown-is-being-admitted-it-was-a-disaster-5b5lrlgwk


    Little by little the truth of lockdown is being admitted: it was a disaster >Public fear was deliberately stoked to justify decisions made on the
    hoof and based on questionable advice
    Jonathan Sumption
    Sunday August 28 2022, 12.01am BST, The Sunday Times
    Lockdown was an extreme and unprecedented response to an ancient
    problem, the challenge of epidemic disease. It was also something else.
    It marked one of the gravest governmental failures of modern times. In a >remarkably candid interview with The Spectator, Rishi Sunak has blown
    the gaff on the sheer superficiality of the decision-making process of
    which he was himself part. The fundamental rule of good government is
    not to make radical decisions without understanding the likely
    consequences. It seems obvious. Yet it is at that most basic level that
    the Johnson government failed. The tragedy is that this is only now
    being acknowledged.
    Sunak makes three main points. First, the scientific advice was more >equivocal and inconsistent than the government let on. Some of it was
    based on questionable premises that were never properly scrutinised.
    Some of it fell apart as soon it was challenged from outside the
    groupthink of the Sage advisory body. Second, to build support, the >government stoked fear, embarking on a manipulative advertising campaign
    and endorsing extravagant graphics pointing to an uncontrolled rise in >mortality if we were not locked down. Third, the government not only
    ignored the catastrophic collateral damage done by the lockdown but
    actively discouraged discussion of it, both in government and in its
    public messaging.
    Lockdown was a policy conceived in the early days by China and the World >Health Organisation as a way of suppressing the virus altogether
    (so-called zero Covid). The WHO quickly abandoned this unrealistic
    ambition. But European countries, except Sweden, eagerly embraced
    lockdown, ripping up a decade of pandemic planning that had been based
    on concentrating help on vulnerable groups and avoiding coercion.
    At first Britain stood up against the stampede. Then Professor Neil >Fergusons team at Imperial College London published its notorious
    Report 9. Sunak confirms that this was what panicked ministers into a >measure that the scientists had previously rejected. If No 10 had
    studied the assumptions underlying it, it might have been less
    impressed. Report 9 assumed that in the absence of a lockdown people
    would do nothing whatever to protect themselves. This was contrary to
    all experience of human behaviour as well as to data available at the
    time, which showed that people were voluntarily reducing contacts well
    before the lockdown was announced.
    And, as Report 9 pointed out, lockdown would not destroy the virus. It
    would come back as soon as the restrictions were lifted. The policy
    therefore made sense only as a stopgap until the advent of an effective >vaccine, then reckoned to be 18 months away.
    It was always obvious that you could not close down a country for months
    on end without serious consequences. The shocking thing that emerges
    from Sunaks interview is that the government refused to take them into >account. There was no assessment of the likely collateral costs of
    lockdown. There was no cost-benefit analysis. There was no planning. In >government the issues were not even discussed. Sunaks own attempts to
    raise them hit a brick wall. Ministers took refuge in evasive
    buck-passing, claiming to be following the science.
    Yet the critical question was never a scientific one. It was a political >question, in which the likely hospital admissions and deaths from Covid
    were just one element. The scientists said it was not their job to think >about the social or economic implications of their advice. They were
    right about that. The problem was it turned out to be no one elses job.
    We are still paying for this negligence, and our children and
    grandchildren will be paying for it for decades to come. In 2020, UK GDP
    fell by nearly a tenth, the biggest hit to the economy for at least a >century. According to Treasury estimates, 460,000 people left the
    workforce never to return. The policy took a wrecking ball to the public >finances. The IMF estimates that government spending rose by more than
    400 billion, or about 6,000 for every man, woman and child. Most of
    this was unproductive spending. It went on paying people for not working
    and supporting businesses forced to cease operations. At one point, in
    the spring of 2020, the government was spending about twice as much on >compensating for the lockdown as it was on the NHS. Borrowing rose to
    330 billion, a peacetime record.
    Then there are the non-financial costs. Other mortal conditions went >undiagnosed and untreated. In October 2020, after four months of
    lockdown, the Office for National Statistics reported more than 25,000
    excess deaths at home from conditions such as cancer, heart disease and >dementia. A year after the last lockdown ended, the NHS still has a vast >backlog. Excess deaths, 95 per cent of them due to conditions other than >Covid, are running at about 1,000 a week. There has been a huge impact
    on mental health, with children and the poor worst affected.
    Children lost two terms of face-to-face schooling. The closure of
    schools, training establishments and universities slowed the
    accumulation of skills, reducing productivity. The Institute for Fiscal >Studies has estimated the cost to the economy at somewhere between 90 >billion and 350 billion. The best-off, with plenty of resources at
    home, will probably recover. Those who are already disadvantaged will be >permanently damaged. Existing inequalities will grow a lot worse.
    The lockdown was an experiment in authoritarian government unmatched in
    our history even in wartime. Not only did the government assume powers
    over the lives of citizens that it had never previously claimed. In >government, decision-making was concentrated in the hands of the prime >minister, a man with notoriously poor judgment and little taste for
    detail. The cabinet was kept out of the loop until near the end.
    Discussion of fundamental issues was ruled out in the name of collective >responsibility.
    Sunak blames the governments hysterical public messaging for
    aggravating the economic impact of the lockdown. Other countries did not >stoke public fear in this irresponsible way. It has, he says,
    contributed to making the UKs recovery the slowest in Europe. That is
    no doubt true. But there is a more serious criticism. Throughout
    history, fear has been the chief instrument of authoritarian rule.
    During the lockdown it was what enabled the government to silence
    dissent and inhibit discussion.
    The result illustrated some of the worst features of top-down
    government. The lack of wider deliberation and scrutiny leads to
    decisions being made on the hoof, without proper forethought, planning
    or research. It promotes loyalty at the expense of wisdom, and flattery
    at the expense of objective advice. It encourages overconfidence,
    banishing moderation and restraint. It was only the weakening of the
    prime ministers political authority after the Owen Paterson affair that >emboldened a supine cabinet to overrule him and his scientific advisers
    for the first time in December last year when the NHS feared being >overwhelmed by the Omicron variant.
    Ministers and scientists responsible for a policy that has inflicted
    untold misery on an entire population naturally find it hard to admit
    they may have been mistaken. But closing ranks against the public
    interest usually fails in the end. There will be more embarrassing >disclosures after this one. The official narrative is beginning to unravel. >Lord Sumption is a former Supreme Court justice

    The only *healthy* way to stop the pandemic, thereby saving lives, in
    the U.K. & elsewhere is by rapidly ( http://bit.ly/RapidTestCOVID-19
    ) finding out at any given moment, including even while on-line, who
    among us are unwittingly contagious (i.e pre-symptomatic or
    asymptomatic) in order to http://tinyurl.com/ConvinceItForward (John
    15:12) for them to call their doctor and self-quarantine per their
    doctor in hopes of stopping this pandemic. Thus, we're hoping for the
    best while preparing for the worse-case scenario of the Alpha lineage
    mutations and others like the Omicron, Gamma, Beta, Epsilon, Iota,
    Lambda, Mu & Delta lineage mutations combining via
    slip-RNA-replication to form hybrids like
    http://tinyurl.com/Deltamicron that may render current COVID vaccines/monoclonals/medicines/pills no longer effective.

    Indeed, I am wonderfully hungry ( http://tinyurl.com/RapidOmicronTest
    ) and hope you, Michael, also have a healthy appetite too.

    So how are you ?









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  • From Michael Ejercito@21:1/5 to HeartDoc Andrew on Sun Aug 28 20:53:54 2022
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    HeartDoc Andrew wrote:
    Michael Ejercito wrote:

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/little-by-little-the-truth-of-lockdown-is-being-admitted-it-was-a-disaster-5b5lrlgwk


    Little by little the truth of lockdown is being admitted: it was a disaster >> Public fear was deliberately stoked to justify decisions made on the
    hoof and based on questionable advice
    Jonathan Sumption
    Sunday August 28 2022, 12.01am BST, The Sunday Times
    Lockdown was an extreme and unprecedented response to an ancient
    problem, the challenge of epidemic disease. It was also something else.
    It marked one of the gravest governmental failures of modern times. In a
    remarkably candid interview with The Spectator, Rishi Sunak has blown
    the gaff on the sheer superficiality of the decision-making process of
    which he was himself part. The fundamental rule of good government is
    not to make radical decisions without understanding the likely
    consequences. It seems obvious. Yet it is at that most basic level that
    the Johnson government failed. The tragedy is that this is only now
    being acknowledged.
    Sunak makes three main points. First, the scientific advice was more
    equivocal and inconsistent than the government let on. Some of it was
    based on questionable premises that were never properly scrutinised.
    Some of it fell apart as soon it was challenged from outside the
    groupthink of the Sage advisory body. Second, to build support, the
    government stoked fear, embarking on a manipulative advertising campaign
    and endorsing extravagant graphics pointing to an uncontrolled rise in
    mortality if we were not locked down. Third, the government not only
    ignored the catastrophic collateral damage done by the lockdown but
    actively discouraged discussion of it, both in government and in its
    public messaging.
    Lockdown was a policy conceived in the early days by China and the World
    Health Organisation as a way of suppressing the virus altogether
    (so-called zero Covid). The WHO quickly abandoned this unrealistic
    ambition. But European countries, except Sweden, eagerly embraced
    lockdown, ripping up a decade of pandemic planning that had been based
    on concentrating help on vulnerable groups and avoiding coercion.
    At first Britain stood up against the stampede. Then Professor Neil
    Ferguson’s team at Imperial College London published its notorious
    “Report 9”. Sunak confirms that this was what panicked ministers into a >> measure that the scientists had previously rejected. If No 10 had
    studied the assumptions underlying it, it might have been less
    impressed. Report 9 assumed that in the absence of a lockdown people
    would do nothing whatever to protect themselves. This was contrary to
    all experience of human behaviour as well as to data available at the
    time, which showed that people were voluntarily reducing contacts well
    before the lockdown was announced.
    And, as Report 9 pointed out, lockdown would not destroy the virus. It
    would come back as soon as the restrictions were lifted. The policy
    therefore made sense only as a stopgap until the advent of an effective
    vaccine, then reckoned to be 18 months away.
    It was always obvious that you could not close down a country for months
    on end without serious consequences. The shocking thing that emerges
    from Sunak’s interview is that the government refused to take them into
    account. There was no assessment of the likely collateral costs of
    lockdown. There was no cost-benefit analysis. There was no planning. In
    government the issues were not even discussed. Sunak’s own attempts to
    raise them hit a brick wall. Ministers took refuge in evasive
    buck-passing, claiming to be “following the science”.
    Yet the critical question was never a scientific one. It was a political
    question, in which the likely hospital admissions and deaths from Covid
    were just one element. The scientists said it was not their job to think
    about the social or economic implications of their advice. They were
    right about that. The problem was it turned out to be no one else’s job. >> We are still paying for this negligence, and our children and
    grandchildren will be paying for it for decades to come. In 2020, UK GDP
    fell by nearly a tenth, the biggest hit to the economy for at least a
    century. According to Treasury estimates, 460,000 people left the
    workforce never to return. The policy took a wrecking ball to the public
    finances. The IMF estimates that government spending rose by more than
    £400 billion, or about £6,000 for every man, woman and child. Most of
    this was unproductive spending. It went on paying people for not working
    and supporting businesses forced to cease operations. At one point, in
    the spring of 2020, the government was spending about twice as much on
    compensating for the lockdown as it was on the NHS. Borrowing rose to
    £330 billion, a peacetime record.
    Then there are the non-financial costs. Other mortal conditions went
    undiagnosed and untreated. In October 2020, after four months of
    lockdown, the Office for National Statistics reported more than 25,000
    excess deaths at home from conditions such as cancer, heart disease and
    dementia. A year after the last lockdown ended, the NHS still has a vast
    backlog. Excess deaths, 95 per cent of them due to conditions other than
    Covid, are running at about 1,000 a week. There has been a huge impact
    on mental health, with children and the poor worst affected.
    Children lost two terms of face-to-face schooling. The closure of
    schools, training establishments and universities slowed the
    accumulation of skills, reducing productivity. The Institute for Fiscal
    Studies has estimated the cost to the economy at somewhere between £90
    billion and £350 billion. The best-off, with plenty of resources at
    home, will probably recover. Those who are already disadvantaged will be
    permanently damaged. Existing inequalities will grow a lot worse.
    The lockdown was an experiment in authoritarian government unmatched in
    our history even in wartime. Not only did the government assume powers
    over the lives of citizens that it had never previously claimed. In
    government, decision-making was concentrated in the hands of the prime
    minister, a man with notoriously poor judgment and little taste for
    detail. The cabinet was kept out of the loop until near the end.
    Discussion of fundamental issues was ruled out in the name of collective
    responsibility.
    Sunak blames the government’s hysterical public messaging for
    aggravating the economic impact of the lockdown. Other countries did not
    stoke public fear in this irresponsible way. It has, he says,
    contributed to making the UK’s recovery the slowest in Europe. That is
    no doubt true. But there is a more serious criticism. Throughout
    history, fear has been the chief instrument of authoritarian rule.
    During the lockdown it was what enabled the government to silence
    dissent and inhibit discussion.
    The result illustrated some of the worst features of top-down
    government. The lack of wider deliberation and scrutiny leads to
    decisions being made on the hoof, without proper forethought, planning
    or research. It promotes loyalty at the expense of wisdom, and flattery
    at the expense of objective advice. It encourages overconfidence,
    banishing moderation and restraint. It was only the weakening of the
    prime minister’s political authority after the Owen Paterson affair that >> emboldened a supine cabinet to overrule him and his scientific advisers
    for the first time in December last year when the NHS feared being
    overwhelmed by the Omicron variant.
    Ministers and scientists responsible for a policy that has inflicted
    untold misery on an entire population naturally find it hard to admit
    they may have been mistaken. But closing ranks against the public
    interest usually fails in the end. There will be more embarrassing
    disclosures after this one. The official narrative is beginning to unravel. >> Lord Sumption is a former Supreme Court justice

    The only *healthy* way to stop the pandemic, thereby saving lives, in
    the U.K. & elsewhere is by rapidly ( http://bit.ly/RapidTestCOVID-19
    ) finding out at any given moment, including even while on-line, who
    among us are unwittingly contagious (i.e pre-symptomatic or
    asymptomatic) in order to http://tinyurl.com/ConvinceItForward (John
    15:12) for them to call their doctor and self-quarantine per their
    doctor in hopes of stopping this pandemic. Thus, we're hoping for the
    best while preparing for the worse-case scenario of the Alpha lineage mutations and others like the Omicron, Gamma, Beta, Epsilon, Iota,
    Lambda, Mu & Delta lineage mutations combining via
    slip-RNA-replication to form hybrids like
    http://tinyurl.com/Deltamicron that may render current COVID vaccines/monoclonals/medicines/pills no longer effective.

    Indeed, I am wonderfully hungry ( http://tinyurl.com/RapidOmicronTest
    ) and hope you, Michael, also have a healthy appetite too.

    So how are you ?

    I am wonderfully hungry!


    Michael

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  • From HeartDoc Andrew@21:1/5 to Michael Ejercito on Mon Aug 29 00:08:08 2022
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    Michael Ejercito wrote:
    HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    Michael Ejercito wrote:

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/little-by-little-the-truth-of-lockdown-is-being-admitted-it-was-a-disaster-5b5lrlgwk


    Little by little the truth of lockdown is being admitted: it was a disaster >>> Public fear was deliberately stoked to justify decisions made on the
    hoof and based on questionable advice
    Jonathan Sumption
    Sunday August 28 2022, 12.01am BST, The Sunday Times
    Lockdown was an extreme and unprecedented response to an ancient
    problem, the challenge of epidemic disease. It was also something else.
    It marked one of the gravest governmental failures of modern times. In a >>> remarkably candid interview with The Spectator, Rishi Sunak has blown
    the gaff on the sheer superficiality of the decision-making process of
    which he was himself part. The fundamental rule of good government is
    not to make radical decisions without understanding the likely
    consequences. It seems obvious. Yet it is at that most basic level that
    the Johnson government failed. The tragedy is that this is only now
    being acknowledged.
    Sunak makes three main points. First, the scientific advice was more
    equivocal and inconsistent than the government let on. Some of it was
    based on questionable premises that were never properly scrutinised.
    Some of it fell apart as soon it was challenged from outside the
    groupthink of the Sage advisory body. Second, to build support, the
    government stoked fear, embarking on a manipulative advertising campaign >>> and endorsing extravagant graphics pointing to an uncontrolled rise in
    mortality if we were not locked down. Third, the government not only
    ignored the catastrophic collateral damage done by the lockdown but
    actively discouraged discussion of it, both in government and in its
    public messaging.
    Lockdown was a policy conceived in the early days by China and the World >>> Health Organisation as a way of suppressing the virus altogether
    (so-called zero Covid). The WHO quickly abandoned this unrealistic
    ambition. But European countries, except Sweden, eagerly embraced
    lockdown, ripping up a decade of pandemic planning that had been based
    on concentrating help on vulnerable groups and avoiding coercion.
    At first Britain stood up against the stampede. Then Professor Neil
    Fergusons team at Imperial College London published its notorious
    Report 9. Sunak confirms that this was what panicked ministers into a
    measure that the scientists had previously rejected. If No 10 had
    studied the assumptions underlying it, it might have been less
    impressed. Report 9 assumed that in the absence of a lockdown people
    would do nothing whatever to protect themselves. This was contrary to
    all experience of human behaviour as well as to data available at the
    time, which showed that people were voluntarily reducing contacts well
    before the lockdown was announced.
    And, as Report 9 pointed out, lockdown would not destroy the virus. It
    would come back as soon as the restrictions were lifted. The policy
    therefore made sense only as a stopgap until the advent of an effective
    vaccine, then reckoned to be 18 months away.
    It was always obvious that you could not close down a country for months >>> on end without serious consequences. The shocking thing that emerges >>>from Sunaks interview is that the government refused to take them into
    account. There was no assessment of the likely collateral costs of
    lockdown. There was no cost-benefit analysis. There was no planning. In
    government the issues were not even discussed. Sunaks own attempts to
    raise them hit a brick wall. Ministers took refuge in evasive
    buck-passing, claiming to be following the science.
    Yet the critical question was never a scientific one. It was a political >>> question, in which the likely hospital admissions and deaths from Covid
    were just one element. The scientists said it was not their job to think >>> about the social or economic implications of their advice. They were
    right about that. The problem was it turned out to be no one elses job. >>> We are still paying for this negligence, and our children and
    grandchildren will be paying for it for decades to come. In 2020, UK GDP >>> fell by nearly a tenth, the biggest hit to the economy for at least a
    century. According to Treasury estimates, 460,000 people left the
    workforce never to return. The policy took a wrecking ball to the public >>> finances. The IMF estimates that government spending rose by more than
    400 billion, or about 6,000 for every man, woman and child. Most of
    this was unproductive spending. It went on paying people for not working >>> and supporting businesses forced to cease operations. At one point, in
    the spring of 2020, the government was spending about twice as much on
    compensating for the lockdown as it was on the NHS. Borrowing rose to
    330 billion, a peacetime record.
    Then there are the non-financial costs. Other mortal conditions went
    undiagnosed and untreated. In October 2020, after four months of
    lockdown, the Office for National Statistics reported more than 25,000
    excess deaths at home from conditions such as cancer, heart disease and
    dementia. A year after the last lockdown ended, the NHS still has a vast >>> backlog. Excess deaths, 95 per cent of them due to conditions other than >>> Covid, are running at about 1,000 a week. There has been a huge impact
    on mental health, with children and the poor worst affected.
    Children lost two terms of face-to-face schooling. The closure of
    schools, training establishments and universities slowed the
    accumulation of skills, reducing productivity. The Institute for Fiscal
    Studies has estimated the cost to the economy at somewhere between 90
    billion and 350 billion. The best-off, with plenty of resources at
    home, will probably recover. Those who are already disadvantaged will be >>> permanently damaged. Existing inequalities will grow a lot worse.
    The lockdown was an experiment in authoritarian government unmatched in
    our history even in wartime. Not only did the government assume powers
    over the lives of citizens that it had never previously claimed. In
    government, decision-making was concentrated in the hands of the prime
    minister, a man with notoriously poor judgment and little taste for
    detail. The cabinet was kept out of the loop until near the end.
    Discussion of fundamental issues was ruled out in the name of collective >>> responsibility.
    Sunak blames the governments hysterical public messaging for
    aggravating the economic impact of the lockdown. Other countries did not >>> stoke public fear in this irresponsible way. It has, he says,
    contributed to making the UKs recovery the slowest in Europe. That is
    no doubt true. But there is a more serious criticism. Throughout
    history, fear has been the chief instrument of authoritarian rule.
    During the lockdown it was what enabled the government to silence
    dissent and inhibit discussion.
    The result illustrated some of the worst features of top-down
    government. The lack of wider deliberation and scrutiny leads to
    decisions being made on the hoof, without proper forethought, planning
    or research. It promotes loyalty at the expense of wisdom, and flattery
    at the expense of objective advice. It encourages overconfidence,
    banishing moderation and restraint. It was only the weakening of the
    prime ministers political authority after the Owen Paterson affair that >>> emboldened a supine cabinet to overrule him and his scientific advisers
    for the first time in December last year when the NHS feared being
    overwhelmed by the Omicron variant.
    Ministers and scientists responsible for a policy that has inflicted
    untold misery on an entire population naturally find it hard to admit
    they may have been mistaken. But closing ranks against the public
    interest usually fails in the end. There will be more embarrassing
    disclosures after this one. The official narrative is beginning to unravel. >>> Lord Sumption is a former Supreme Court justice

    The only *healthy* way to stop the pandemic, thereby saving lives, in
    the U.K. & elsewhere is by rapidly ( http://bit.ly/RapidTestCOVID-19
    ) finding out at any given moment, including even while on-line, who
    among us are unwittingly contagious (i.e pre-symptomatic or
    asymptomatic) in order to http://tinyurl.com/ConvinceItForward (John
    15:12) for them to call their doctor and self-quarantine per their
    doctor in hopes of stopping this pandemic. Thus, we're hoping for the
    best while preparing for the worse-case scenario of the Alpha lineage
    mutations and others like the Omicron, Gamma, Beta, Epsilon, Iota,
    Lambda, Mu & Delta lineage mutations combining via
    slip-RNA-replication to form hybrids like
    http://tinyurl.com/Deltamicron that may render current COVID
    vaccines/monoclonals/medicines/pills no longer effective.

    Indeed, I am wonderfully hungry ( http://tinyurl.com/RapidOmicronTest
    ) and hope you, Michael, also have a healthy appetite too.

    So how are you ?

    I am wonderfully hungry!


    While wonderfully hungry in the Holy Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy
    8:3) us to hunger, I note that you, Michael, are rapture ready (Luke
    17:37 means no COVID just as circling eagles don't have COVID) and
    pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that our Everlasting (Isaiah 9:6) Father in
    Heaven continues to give us "much more" (Luke 11:13) Holy Spirit
    (Galatians 5:22-23) so that we'd have much more of His Help to always
    say/write that we're "wonderfully hungry" in **all** ways including
    especially caring to http://tinyurl.com/ConvinceItForward (John 15:12
    as shown by http://tinyurl.com/RapidOmicronTest ) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD (aka HaShem, Elohim, Abba, DEO), in
    the name (John 16:23) of LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

    Laus DEO !

    Suggested further reading: https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/5EWtT4CwCOg/m/QjNF57xRBAAJ

    Shorter link:
    http://bit.ly/StatCOVID-19Test

    Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
    diabetics and other heart disease patients:

    http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrew touts hunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory
    ( http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger
    (Deuteronomy 8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby
    removing the http://tinyurl.com/HeartVAT from around the heart

    ...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,

    HeartDoc Andrew <><
    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
    2024 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President: http://WonderfullyHungry.org
    and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
    http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
    which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Z Crazy@21:1/5 to disc...@T3WiJ.com on Sun Aug 28 21:59:54 2022
    On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 9:08:11 PM UTC-7, disc...@T3WiJ.com wrote:
    Michael Ejercito wrote:
    HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    Michael Ejercito wrote:

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/little-by-little-the-truth-of-lockdown-is-being-admitted-it-was-a-disaster-5b5lrlgwk


    Little by little the truth of lockdown is being admitted: it was a disaster
    Public fear was deliberately stoked to justify decisions made on the
    hoof and based on questionable advice
    Jonathan Sumption
    Sunday August 28 2022, 12.01am BST, The Sunday Times
    Lockdown was an extreme and unprecedented response to an ancient
    problem, the challenge of epidemic disease. It was also something else. >>> It marked one of the gravest governmental failures of modern times. In a >>> remarkably candid interview with The Spectator, Rishi Sunak has blown >>> the gaff on the sheer superficiality of the decision-making process of >>> which he was himself part. The fundamental rule of good government is >>> not to make radical decisions without understanding the likely
    consequences. It seems obvious. Yet it is at that most basic level that >>> the Johnson government failed. The tragedy is that this is only now
    being acknowledged.
    Sunak makes three main points. First, the scientific advice was more
    equivocal and inconsistent than the government let on. Some of it was >>> based on questionable premises that were never properly scrutinised.
    Some of it fell apart as soon it was challenged from outside the
    groupthink of the Sage advisory body. Second, to build support, the
    government stoked fear, embarking on a manipulative advertising campaign >>> and endorsing extravagant graphics pointing to an uncontrolled rise in >>> mortality if we were not locked down. Third, the government not only
    ignored the catastrophic collateral damage done by the lockdown but
    actively discouraged discussion of it, both in government and in its
    public messaging.
    Lockdown was a policy conceived in the early days by China and the World >>> Health Organisation as a way of suppressing the virus altogether
    (so-called zero Covid). The WHO quickly abandoned this unrealistic
    ambition. But European countries, except Sweden, eagerly embraced
    lockdown, ripping up a decade of pandemic planning that had been based >>> on concentrating help on vulnerable groups and avoiding coercion.
    At first Britain stood up against the stampede. Then Professor Neil
    Ferguson’s team at Imperial College London published its notorious
    “Report 9”. Sunak confirms that this was what panicked ministers into a
    measure that the scientists had previously rejected. If No 10 had
    studied the assumptions underlying it, it might have been less
    impressed. Report 9 assumed that in the absence of a lockdown people
    would do nothing whatever to protect themselves. This was contrary to >>> all experience of human behaviour as well as to data available at the >>> time, which showed that people were voluntarily reducing contacts well >>> before the lockdown was announced.
    And, as Report 9 pointed out, lockdown would not destroy the virus. It >>> would come back as soon as the restrictions were lifted. The policy
    therefore made sense only as a stopgap until the advent of an effective >>> vaccine, then reckoned to be 18 months away.
    It was always obvious that you could not close down a country for months >>> on end without serious consequences. The shocking thing that emerges >>>from Sunak’s interview is that the government refused to take them into >>> account. There was no assessment of the likely collateral costs of
    lockdown. There was no cost-benefit analysis. There was no planning. In >>> government the issues were not even discussed. Sunak’s own attempts to >>> raise them hit a brick wall. Ministers took refuge in evasive
    buck-passing, claiming to be “following the science”.
    Yet the critical question was never a scientific one. It was a political >>> question, in which the likely hospital admissions and deaths from Covid >>> were just one element. The scientists said it was not their job to think >>> about the social or economic implications of their advice. They were
    right about that. The problem was it turned out to be no one else’s job.
    We are still paying for this negligence, and our children and
    grandchildren will be paying for it for decades to come. In 2020, UK GDP >>> fell by nearly a tenth, the biggest hit to the economy for at least a >>> century. According to Treasury estimates, 460,000 people left the
    workforce never to return. The policy took a wrecking ball to the public >>> finances. The IMF estimates that government spending rose by more than >>> £400 billion, or about £6,000 for every man, woman and child. Most of >>> this was unproductive spending. It went on paying people for not working >>> and supporting businesses forced to cease operations. At one point, in >>> the spring of 2020, the government was spending about twice as much on >>> compensating for the lockdown as it was on the NHS. Borrowing rose to >>> £330 billion, a peacetime record.
    Then there are the non-financial costs. Other mortal conditions went
    undiagnosed and untreated. In October 2020, after four months of
    lockdown, the Office for National Statistics reported more than 25,000 >>> excess deaths at home from conditions such as cancer, heart disease and >>> dementia. A year after the last lockdown ended, the NHS still has a vast >>> backlog. Excess deaths, 95 per cent of them due to conditions other than >>> Covid, are running at about 1,000 a week. There has been a huge impact >>> on mental health, with children and the poor worst affected.
    Children lost two terms of face-to-face schooling. The closure of
    schools, training establishments and universities slowed the
    accumulation of skills, reducing productivity. The Institute for Fiscal >>> Studies has estimated the cost to the economy at somewhere between £90 >>> billion and £350 billion. The best-off, with plenty of resources at
    home, will probably recover. Those who are already disadvantaged will be >>> permanently damaged. Existing inequalities will grow a lot worse.
    The lockdown was an experiment in authoritarian government unmatched in >>> our history even in wartime. Not only did the government assume powers >>> over the lives of citizens that it had never previously claimed. In
    government, decision-making was concentrated in the hands of the prime >>> minister, a man with notoriously poor judgment and little taste for
    detail. The cabinet was kept out of the loop until near the end.
    Discussion of fundamental issues was ruled out in the name of collective >>> responsibility.
    Sunak blames the government’s hysterical public messaging for
    aggravating the economic impact of the lockdown. Other countries did not >>> stoke public fear in this irresponsible way. It has, he says,
    contributed to making the UK’s recovery the slowest in Europe. That is >>> no doubt true. But there is a more serious criticism. Throughout
    history, fear has been the chief instrument of authoritarian rule.
    During the lockdown it was what enabled the government to silence
    dissent and inhibit discussion.
    The result illustrated some of the worst features of top-down
    government. The lack of wider deliberation and scrutiny leads to
    decisions being made on the hoof, without proper forethought, planning >>> or research. It promotes loyalty at the expense of wisdom, and flattery >>> at the expense of objective advice. It encourages overconfidence,
    banishing moderation and restraint. It was only the weakening of the
    prime minister’s political authority after the Owen Paterson affair that
    emboldened a supine cabinet to overrule him and his scientific advisers >>> for the first time in December last year when the NHS feared being
    overwhelmed by the Omicron variant.
    Ministers and scientists responsible for a policy that has inflicted
    untold misery on an entire population naturally find it hard to admit >>> they may have been mistaken. But closing ranks against the public
    interest usually fails in the end. There will be more embarrassing
    disclosures after this one. The official narrative is beginning to unravel.
    Lord Sumption is a former Supreme Court justice

    The only *healthy* way to stop the pandemic, thereby saving lives, in
    the U.K. & elsewhere is by rapidly ( http://bit.ly/RapidTestCOVID-19
    ) finding out at any given moment, including even while on-line, who
    among us are unwittingly contagious (i.e pre-symptomatic or
    asymptomatic) in order to http://tinyurl.com/ConvinceItForward (John
    15:12) for them to call their doctor and self-quarantine per their
    doctor in hopes of stopping this pandemic. Thus, we're hoping for the
    best while preparing for the worse-case scenario of the Alpha lineage
    mutations and others like the Omicron, Gamma, Beta, Epsilon, Iota,
    Lambda, Mu & Delta lineage mutations combining via
    slip-RNA-replication to form hybrids like
    http://tinyurl.com/Deltamicron that may render current COVID
    vaccines/monoclonals/medicines/pills no longer effective.

    Indeed, I am wonderfully hungry ( http://tinyurl.com/RapidOmicronTest
    ) and hope you, Michael, also have a healthy appetite too.

    So how are you ?

    I am wonderfully hungry!
    While wonderfully hungry in the Holy Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy
    8:3) us to hunger, I note that you, Michael, are rapture ready (Luke
    17:37 means no COVID just as circling eagles don't have COVID) and
    pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that our Everlasting (Isaiah 9:6) Father in
    Heaven continues to give us "much more" (Luke 11:13) Holy Spirit
    (Galatians 5:22-23) so that we'd have much more of His Help to always say/write that we're "wonderfully hungry" in **all** ways including especially caring to http://tinyurl.com/ConvinceItForward (John 15:12
    as shown by http://tinyurl.com/RapidOmicronTest ) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD (aka HaShem, Elohim, Abba, DEO), in
    the name (John 16:23) of LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

    Laus DEO !

    Suggested further reading: https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/5EWtT4CwCOg/m/QjNF57xRBAAJ

    Shorter link:
    http://bit.ly/StatCOVID-19Test

    Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
    diabetics and other heart disease patients:

    http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrew touts hunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory
    ( http://bit.ly/Psalm112_1 ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger
    (Deuteronomy 8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby
    removing the http://tinyurl.com/HeartVAT from around the heart
    ...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,

    HeartDoc Andrew <><
    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
    2024 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President: http://WonderfullyHungry.org
    and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
    http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
    which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis
    That's good news Doc.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From HeartDoc Andrew@21:1/5 to intervening greetings and on Mon Aug 29 05:31:49 2022
    "Z Crazy" (aka Zee) wrote in part:
    HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    "Z Crazy" (aka Zee) wrote in part:
    HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    "Z Crazy" (aka Zee) wrote in part:
    HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    "Z Crazy" (aka Zee) wrote in part:
    HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    "Z Crazy" (aka Zee) wrote in part:
    HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    "Z Crazy" (aka Zee) wrote in part:
    HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    "Z Crazy" (aka Zee) wrote in part:
    HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    "Z Crazy" (aka Zee) wrote:
    HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

    (Stat) 09/04/21 Again, as shown by the LORD, that instead of stopping
    the sin of gluttony by fasting (i.e. 0 lbs) ...

    "Then He (LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth) said to them all: 'Whoever
    wants to be My disciple must deny themselves (of excess food) and take
    up their cross ( http://tinyurl.com/FoodScale3 ) daily and follow
    Me.'" (Luke 9:23 & context w/ parenthetical clarification)

    Source:
    https://biblehub.com/luke/9-23.htm


    "An omer of manna/wheat/food weighs 2 lbs. Perishing souls such as
    KlausS will continue to lie about this fact." -- Holy Spirit
    (referring to Exodus 16:16 and Revelation 6:6)

    Source:
    https://groups.google.com/g/alt.bible.prophecy/c/xufZaqEm4XA/m/jyzKYlgGAQAJ


    "Then Jesus took the loaves, gave thanks to GOD, and distributed them
    to the people. Afterward(s) He did the same with the fish (so that
    they each got 2 lbs of food). And they all ate (the 2 lbs which was)
    as much as they wanted. After everyone was full (satisfied that they
    got all they needed), Jesus told His disciples, 'Now gather the
    leftovers (which wouldn't exist if the people overate the excess
    food), so that nothing is wasted.'" (John 6:11-12, NLT w/
    parenthetical clarification)

    Source:
    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/ZgsDuv_E6oI/m/NickmAzXAwAJ


    "Yes, 2 lbs of food is the right amount of daily food even if the food
    is just raw wheat" -- Holy Spirit (referring to John 6:11-12, Exodus
    16:16, and Revelation 6:6)

    Source:
    https://biblehub.com/revelation/6-6.htm

    +++

    Again, behold ...

    "The man (Adam) said, 'The woman (Eve) You put here with me -- she
    gave me some fruit from the tree, and I (over)ate (upon eating) it.'
    Then the LORD GOD said to the woman (Eve), 'What is this you have
    done?' The woman (Eve) said, 'The serpent deceived me, and I
    (over)ate.'" (Genesis 3:12-3 w/ parenthetical clarification)

    Source:
    https://biblehub.com/genesis/3-13.htm

    "Yes, Adam & Eve did commit the sin of gluttony when they overate and
    as they have confessed. Those who are either perishing or eternally
    condemned will lie about this fact." -- Holy Spirit (referring to
    Genesis 3:12-3, John 3:3&5, and Mark 3:29)

    Again, here's how to stop sinning ...

    To sin is to not do what LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth, our Mighty
    (Isaiah 9:6) GOD, wants because of our being
    http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) like
    http://bit.ly/BiblicalEsau whom GOD hates (Malachi 1:2-3).

    What about the serpent (aka satan) ?

    The serpent's sin was **not** gluttony, because he did **not**
    overeat.

    Instead, his sin was deceiving Eve so that now he can't say/write he's
    "wonderfully hungry" because he's now cursed (Genesis 3:14) to **not**
    be hungry and he's not forgiven of this sin because he's not been
    allowed to confess it.

    "There is absolutely only one sin that is tied to eating food like the
    figs from the Tree of Knowledge in the Garden of Eden and that is the
    sin of gluttony." -- Holy Spirit (referring again to Genesis 3:12-3)


    Suggested background reading:

    (1) What does Jesus want ?
    http://WDJW.net

    (2) How to stop sinning & avoid the eternal (Mark 3:29) sin ...
    https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/RLnsoanL450/J-MWlsafBQAJ

    (3) Our #1 Example of being wonderfully hungry...
    https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/tJCSufTgyLU/6pPYHYipGwAJ

    LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth being our #1 Example of being
    wonderfully hungry means that even His creating evil is not sin
    because He does it not out of being hangry but for the meaningful
    purpose of proving that, in fact, only GOD is good (Matthew 19:17).

    So let us not be a http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32)
    Drumpf ( http://bit.ly/W_d_DJT_r ) or else we'll most certainly die a
    http://bit.ly/TerriblyStupid (Mark 9:42) death:

    http://bit.ly/BiblicalEsau

    ... as in the tragic USENET example of Duke (aka duckgumbo32):
    https://groups.google.com/g/alt.bible.prophecy/c/f9T5jpNpCOU/m/evQjPTiLBgAJ

    ... or worse (John 5:14) become eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned as in
    the more tragic USENET example of James (zeb**ATwindstream.net):

    https://groups.google.com/g/alt.bible.prophecy/c/7GiPwBwBbqw/m/mvPDcSY5AQAJ

    The average American is overeating more than twice what they should.

    "I eat half as much as others typically eat." -- Fauja Singh (110 yo
    marathon runner)

    Source video from 2012:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCY0Xx92YvQ

    More recent video from 2020:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvilwVYyZSI:

    Bless you, Dr.

    Source:
    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/5EWtT4CwCOg/m/aRaFD6RtAwAJ

    I am indeed wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/RapidTestCOVID-19 )
    right now (Luke 6:21a) and hope you, Zee, also have a healthy appetite
    right now too.

    So how are you?

    I'm fine, Doc...

    Taking your "fine" to mean "yes, you have a healthy appetite," I, as a
    cardiologist, share with you, Zee, that it's really Wonderful (Isaiah
    9:6) knowing through our hunger (Deuteronomy 8:3) that we're indeed
    both being blessed right now as it's written in the Gospels in
    red&white at Luke 6:21a as evident by our both not having a heart
    attack (aka myocardial infarction) at the moment in accordance with
    pure logic {healthy=wonderful & appetite=hunger} and advise that you
    try to write that you're "wonderfully hungry" since we've established
    here that you are:

    So now how are you ?

    Doing great, Doc...

    Again, I advise that you, Zee, really try to write that you're >> >> >> >> >> "wonderfully hungry" since we've established here that you are: >> >> >> >> >>
    So now again, how are you ?

    I'm disappointed ...

    Again, I really advise that you, Zee, **really** try to write that >> >> >> >> you're "wonderfully hungry" since we've established here that you are:

    So now again, how are you ?

    I am going out tonight ...

    Again, I really advise a 4th time here that you, Zee, **really** try >> >> >> to write that you're "wonderfully hungry" since we've established here >> >> >> that you are:

    So now again, how are you ?

    I didn't ...

    Again, I really advise a 5th time here that you, Zee, **really** try
    to write that you're "wonderfully hungry" since we've established here
    that you are:

    So now again, how are you ?

    I just want ...

    Source: https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/x2t_EP0yxYE/m/gNjRqYooCAAJ

    <intervening greetings and replies snipped>

    Again, I really advise a 22nd time here that you, Zee, **really** try
    to write that you're "wonderfully hungry" since we've established here
    that you are:

    So now again, how are you ?

    That's good ...

    Again, I really advise a 23rd time here that you, Zee, **really** try
    to write that you're "wonderfully hungry" since we've established here
    that you are:

    So now again, how are you ?









    ...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,

    HeartDoc Andrew <><
    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
    2024 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President: http://WonderfullyHungry.org
    and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
    http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
    which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Z Crazy@21:1/5 to disc...@T3WiJ.com on Mon Aug 29 20:08:37 2022
    On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 2:31:19 AM UTC-7, disc...@T3WiJ.com wrote:
    "Z Crazy" (aka Zee) wrote in part:
    HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    "Z Crazy" (aka Zee) wrote in part:
    HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    "Z Crazy" (aka Zee) wrote in part:
    HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    "Z Crazy" (aka Zee) wrote in part:
    HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    "Z Crazy" (aka Zee) wrote in part:
    HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    "Z Crazy" (aka Zee) wrote in part:
    HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    "Z Crazy" (aka Zee) wrote in part:
    HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    "Z Crazy" (aka Zee) wrote:
    HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

    (Stat) 09/04/21 Again, as shown by the LORD, that instead of stopping
    the sin of gluttony by fasting (i.e. 0 lbs) ...

    "Then He (LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth) said to them all: 'Whoever
    wants to be My disciple must deny themselves (of excess food) and take
    up their cross ( http://tinyurl.com/FoodScale3 ) daily and follow
    Me.'" (Luke 9:23 & context w/ parenthetical clarification)

    Source:
    https://biblehub.com/luke/9-23.htm


    "An omer of manna/wheat/food weighs 2 lbs. Perishing souls such as
    KlausS will continue to lie about this fact." -- Holy Spirit
    (referring to Exodus 16:16 and Revelation 6:6)

    Source:
    https://groups.google.com/g/alt.bible.prophecy/c/xufZaqEm4XA/m/jyzKYlgGAQAJ


    "Then Jesus took the loaves, gave thanks to GOD, and distributed them
    to the people. Afterward(s) He did the same with the fish (so that
    they each got 2 lbs of food). And they all ate (the 2 lbs which was)
    as much as they wanted. After everyone was full (satisfied that they
    got all they needed), Jesus told His disciples, 'Now gather the
    leftovers (which wouldn't exist if the people overate the excess
    food), so that nothing is wasted.'" (John 6:11-12, NLT w/
    parenthetical clarification)

    Source:
    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/ZgsDuv_E6oI/m/NickmAzXAwAJ


    "Yes, 2 lbs of food is the right amount of daily food even if the food
    is just raw wheat" -- Holy Spirit (referring to John 6:11-12, Exodus
    16:16, and Revelation 6:6)

    Source:
    https://biblehub.com/revelation/6-6.htm

    +++

    Again, behold ...

    "The man (Adam) said, 'The woman (Eve) You put here with me -- she
    gave me some fruit from the tree, and I (over)ate (upon eating) it.'
    Then the LORD GOD said to the woman (Eve), 'What is this you have
    done?' The woman (Eve) said, 'The serpent deceived me, and I
    (over)ate.'" (Genesis 3:12-3 w/ parenthetical clarification)

    Source:
    https://biblehub.com/genesis/3-13.htm

    "Yes, Adam & Eve did commit the sin of gluttony when they overate and
    as they have confessed. Those who are either perishing or eternally
    condemned will lie about this fact." -- Holy Spirit (referring to
    Genesis 3:12-3, John 3:3&5, and Mark 3:29)

    Again, here's how to stop sinning ...

    To sin is to not do what LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth, our Mighty
    (Isaiah 9:6) GOD, wants because of our being
    http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) like
    http://bit.ly/BiblicalEsau whom GOD hates (Malachi 1:2-3).

    What about the serpent (aka satan) ?

    The serpent's sin was **not** gluttony, because he did **not**
    overeat.

    Instead, his sin was deceiving Eve so that now he can't say/write he's
    "wonderfully hungry" because he's now cursed (Genesis 3:14) to **not**
    be hungry and he's not forgiven of this sin because he's not been
    allowed to confess it.

    "There is absolutely only one sin that is tied to eating food like the
    figs from the Tree of Knowledge in the Garden of Eden and that is the
    sin of gluttony." -- Holy Spirit (referring again to Genesis 3:12-3)


    Suggested background reading:

    (1) What does Jesus want ?
    http://WDJW.net

    (2) How to stop sinning & avoid the eternal (Mark 3:29) sin ...
    https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/RLnsoanL450/J-MWlsafBQAJ

    (3) Our #1 Example of being wonderfully hungry...
    https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/tJCSufTgyLU/6pPYHYipGwAJ

    LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth being our #1 Example of being
    wonderfully hungry means that even His creating evil is not sin
    because He does it not out of being hangry but for the meaningful
    purpose of proving that, in fact, only GOD is good (Matthew 19:17).

    So let us not be a http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32)
    Drumpf ( http://bit.ly/W_d_DJT_r ) or else we'll most certainly die a
    http://bit.ly/TerriblyStupid (Mark 9:42) death:

    http://bit.ly/BiblicalEsau

    ... as in the tragic USENET example of Duke (aka duckgumbo32):
    https://groups.google.com/g/alt.bible.prophecy/c/f9T5jpNpCOU/m/evQjPTiLBgAJ

    ... or worse (John 5:14) become eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned as in
    the more tragic USENET example of James (zeb**ATwindstream.net):

    https://groups.google.com/g/alt.bible.prophecy/c/7GiPwBwBbqw/m/mvPDcSY5AQAJ

    The average American is overeating more than twice what they should.

    "I eat half as much as others typically eat." -- Fauja Singh (110 yo
    marathon runner)

    Source video from 2012:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCY0Xx92YvQ

    More recent video from 2020:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvilwVYyZSI:

    Bless you, Dr.

    Source:
    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/5EWtT4CwCOg/m/aRaFD6RtAwAJ

    I am indeed wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/RapidTestCOVID-19 )
    right now (Luke 6:21a) and hope you, Zee, also have a healthy appetite
    right now too.

    So how are you?

    I'm fine, Doc...

    Taking your "fine" to mean "yes, you have a healthy appetite," I, as a
    cardiologist, share with you, Zee, that it's really Wonderful (Isaiah
    9:6) knowing through our hunger (Deuteronomy 8:3) that we're indeed
    both being blessed right now as it's written in the Gospels in
    red&white at Luke 6:21a as evident by our both not having a heart
    attack (aka myocardial infarction) at the moment in accordance with
    pure logic {healthy=wonderful & appetite=hunger} and advise that you
    try to write that you're "wonderfully hungry" since we've established
    here that you are:

    So now how are you ?

    Doing great, Doc...

    Again, I advise that you, Zee, really try to write that you're >> >> >> >> >> "wonderfully hungry" since we've established here that you are:

    So now again, how are you ?

    I'm disappointed ...

    Again, I really advise that you, Zee, **really** try to write that
    you're "wonderfully hungry" since we've established here that you are:

    So now again, how are you ?

    I am going out tonight ...

    Again, I really advise a 4th time here that you, Zee, **really** try >> >> >> to write that you're "wonderfully hungry" since we've established here
    that you are:

    So now again, how are you ?

    I didn't ...

    Again, I really advise a 5th time here that you, Zee, **really** try
    to write that you're "wonderfully hungry" since we've established here >> >> that you are:

    So now again, how are you ?

    I just want ...

    Source: https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/x2t_EP0yxYE/m/gNjRqYooCAAJ

    <intervening greetings and replies snipped>

    Again, I really advise a 22nd time here that you, Zee, **really** try
    to write that you're "wonderfully hungry" since we've established here
    that you are:

    So now again, how are you ?

    That's good ...

    Again, I really advise a 23rd time here that you, Zee, **really** try
    to write that you're "wonderfully hungry" since we've established here
    that you are:

    So now again, how are you ?
    ...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,

    HeartDoc Andrew <><
    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
    2024 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President: http://WonderfullyHungry.org
    and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
    http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
    which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis
    I'm wonderfully horny for cute sexy White girls!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From HeartDoc Andrew@21:1/5 to intervening greetings and on Mon Aug 29 23:53:29 2022
    "Z Crazy" (aka Zee) wrote in part:
    HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    "Z Crazy" (aka Zee) wrote in part:
    HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    "Z Crazy" (aka Zee) wrote in part:
    HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    "Z Crazy" (aka Zee) wrote in part:
    HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    "Z Crazy" (aka Zee) wrote in part:
    HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    "Z Crazy" (aka Zee) wrote in part:
    HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    "Z Crazy" (aka Zee) wrote in part:
    HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    "Z Crazy" (aka Zee) wrote:
    HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

    (Stat) 09/04/21 Again, as shown by the LORD, that instead of stopping
    the sin of gluttony by fasting (i.e. 0 lbs) ...

    "Then He (LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth) said to them all: 'Whoever
    wants to be My disciple must deny themselves (of excess food) and take
    up their cross ( http://tinyurl.com/FoodScale3 ) daily and follow
    Me.'" (Luke 9:23 & context w/ parenthetical clarification)

    Source:
    https://biblehub.com/luke/9-23.htm


    "An omer of manna/wheat/food weighs 2 lbs. Perishing souls such as
    KlausS will continue to lie about this fact." -- Holy Spirit
    (referring to Exodus 16:16 and Revelation 6:6)

    Source:
    https://groups.google.com/g/alt.bible.prophecy/c/xufZaqEm4XA/m/jyzKYlgGAQAJ


    "Then Jesus took the loaves, gave thanks to GOD, and distributed them
    to the people. Afterward(s) He did the same with the fish (so that
    they each got 2 lbs of food). And they all ate (the 2 lbs which was)
    as much as they wanted. After everyone was full (satisfied that they
    got all they needed), Jesus told His disciples, 'Now gather the
    leftovers (which wouldn't exist if the people overate the excess
    food), so that nothing is wasted.'" (John 6:11-12, NLT w/
    parenthetical clarification)

    Source:
    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/ZgsDuv_E6oI/m/NickmAzXAwAJ


    "Yes, 2 lbs of food is the right amount of daily food even if the food
    is just raw wheat" -- Holy Spirit (referring to John 6:11-12, Exodus
    16:16, and Revelation 6:6)

    Source:
    https://biblehub.com/revelation/6-6.htm

    +++

    Again, behold ...

    "The man (Adam) said, 'The woman (Eve) You put here with me -- she
    gave me some fruit from the tree, and I (over)ate (upon eating) it.'
    Then the LORD GOD said to the woman (Eve), 'What is this you have
    done?' The woman (Eve) said, 'The serpent deceived me, and I
    (over)ate.'" (Genesis 3:12-3 w/ parenthetical clarification)

    Source:
    https://biblehub.com/genesis/3-13.htm

    "Yes, Adam & Eve did commit the sin of gluttony when they overate and
    as they have confessed. Those who are either perishing or eternally
    condemned will lie about this fact." -- Holy Spirit (referring to
    Genesis 3:12-3, John 3:3&5, and Mark 3:29)

    Again, here's how to stop sinning ...

    To sin is to not do what LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth, our Mighty
    (Isaiah 9:6) GOD, wants because of our being
    http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) like
    http://bit.ly/BiblicalEsau whom GOD hates (Malachi 1:2-3).

    What about the serpent (aka satan) ?

    The serpent's sin was **not** gluttony, because he did **not**
    overeat.

    Instead, his sin was deceiving Eve so that now he can't say/write he's
    "wonderfully hungry" because he's now cursed (Genesis 3:14) to **not**
    be hungry and he's not forgiven of this sin because he's not been
    allowed to confess it.

    "There is absolutely only one sin that is tied to eating food like the
    figs from the Tree of Knowledge in the Garden of Eden and that is the
    sin of gluttony." -- Holy Spirit (referring again to Genesis 3:12-3)


    Suggested background reading:

    (1) What does Jesus want ?
    http://WDJW.net

    (2) How to stop sinning & avoid the eternal (Mark 3:29) sin ...
    https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/RLnsoanL450/J-MWlsafBQAJ

    (3) Our #1 Example of being wonderfully hungry...
    https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/tJCSufTgyLU/6pPYHYipGwAJ

    LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth being our #1 Example of being
    wonderfully hungry means that even His creating evil is not sin
    because He does it not out of being hangry but for the meaningful
    purpose of proving that, in fact, only GOD is good (Matthew 19:17).

    So let us not be a http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32)
    Drumpf ( http://bit.ly/W_d_DJT_r ) or else we'll most certainly die a
    http://bit.ly/TerriblyStupid (Mark 9:42) death:

    http://bit.ly/BiblicalEsau

    ... as in the tragic USENET example of Duke (aka duckgumbo32):
    https://groups.google.com/g/alt.bible.prophecy/c/f9T5jpNpCOU/m/evQjPTiLBgAJ

    ... or worse (John 5:14) become eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned as in
    the more tragic USENET example of James (zeb**ATwindstream.net):

    https://groups.google.com/g/alt.bible.prophecy/c/7GiPwBwBbqw/m/mvPDcSY5AQAJ

    The average American is overeating more than twice what they should.

    "I eat half as much as others typically eat." -- Fauja Singh (110 yo
    marathon runner)

    Source video from 2012:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCY0Xx92YvQ

    More recent video from 2020:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvilwVYyZSI:

    Bless you, Dr.

    Source:
    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/5EWtT4CwCOg/m/aRaFD6RtAwAJ

    I am indeed wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/RapidTestCOVID-19 )
    right now (Luke 6:21a) and hope you, Zee, also have a healthy appetite
    right now too.

    So how are you?

    I'm fine, Doc...

    Taking your "fine" to mean "yes, you have a healthy appetite," I, as a
    cardiologist, share with you, Zee, that it's really Wonderful (Isaiah
    9:6) knowing through our hunger (Deuteronomy 8:3) that we're indeed
    both being blessed right now as it's written in the Gospels in
    red&white at Luke 6:21a as evident by our both not having a heart
    attack (aka myocardial infarction) at the moment in accordance with
    pure logic {healthy=wonderful & appetite=hunger} and advise that you
    try to write that you're "wonderfully hungry" since we've established
    here that you are:

    So now how are you ?

    Doing great, Doc...

    Again, I advise that you, Zee, really try to write that you're >> >> >> >> >> "wonderfully hungry" since we've established here that you are: >> >> >> >> >>
    So now again, how are you ?

    I'm disappointed ...

    Again, I really advise that you, Zee, **really** try to write that >> >> >> >> you're "wonderfully hungry" since we've established here that you are:

    So now again, how are you ?

    I am going out tonight ...

    Again, I really advise a 4th time here that you, Zee, **really** try >> >> >> to write that you're "wonderfully hungry" since we've established here >> >> >> that you are:

    So now again, how are you ?

    I didn't ...

    Again, I really advise a 5th time here that you, Zee, **really** try
    to write that you're "wonderfully hungry" since we've established here
    that you are:

    So now again, how are you ?

    I just want ...

    Source: https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/x2t_EP0yxYE/m/gNjRqYooCAAJ

    <intervening greetings and replies snipped>

    Again, I really advise a 23rd time here that you, Zee, **really** try
    to write that you're "wonderfully hungry" since we've established here
    that you are:

    So now again, how are you ?

    I'm wonderfully horny ...

    Again, I really advise a 24th time here that you, Zee, **really** try
    to write that you're "wonderfully hungry" since we've established here
    that you are:

    So now again, how are you ?









    ...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,

    HeartDoc Andrew <><
    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
    2024 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President: http://WonderfullyHungry.org
    and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
    http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
    which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From HeartDoc Andrew@21:1/5 to intervening greetings and on Tue Aug 30 15:09:55 2022
    "Z Crazy" (aka Zee) wrote in part:
    HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    "Z Crazy" (aka Zee) wrote in part:
    HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    "Z Crazy" (aka Zee) wrote in part:
    HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    "Z Crazy" (aka Zee) wrote in part:
    HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    "Z Crazy" (aka Zee) wrote in part:
    HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    "Z Crazy" (aka Zee) wrote in part:
    HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    "Z Crazy" (aka Zee) wrote in part:
    HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    "Z Crazy" (aka Zee) wrote:
    HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

    (Stat) 09/04/21 Again, as shown by the LORD, that instead of stopping
    the sin of gluttony by fasting (i.e. 0 lbs) ...

    "Then He (LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth) said to them all: 'Whoever
    wants to be My disciple must deny themselves (of excess food) and take
    up their cross ( http://tinyurl.com/FoodScale3 ) daily and follow
    Me.'" (Luke 9:23 & context w/ parenthetical clarification)

    Source:
    https://biblehub.com/luke/9-23.htm


    "An omer of manna/wheat/food weighs 2 lbs. Perishing souls such as
    KlausS will continue to lie about this fact." -- Holy Spirit
    (referring to Exodus 16:16 and Revelation 6:6)

    Source:
    https://groups.google.com/g/alt.bible.prophecy/c/xufZaqEm4XA/m/jyzKYlgGAQAJ


    "Then Jesus took the loaves, gave thanks to GOD, and distributed them
    to the people. Afterward(s) He did the same with the fish (so that
    they each got 2 lbs of food). And they all ate (the 2 lbs which was)
    as much as they wanted. After everyone was full (satisfied that they
    got all they needed), Jesus told His disciples, 'Now gather the
    leftovers (which wouldn't exist if the people overate the excess
    food), so that nothing is wasted.'" (John 6:11-12, NLT w/
    parenthetical clarification)

    Source:
    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/ZgsDuv_E6oI/m/NickmAzXAwAJ


    "Yes, 2 lbs of food is the right amount of daily food even if the food
    is just raw wheat" -- Holy Spirit (referring to John 6:11-12, Exodus
    16:16, and Revelation 6:6)

    Source:
    https://biblehub.com/revelation/6-6.htm

    +++

    Again, behold ...

    "The man (Adam) said, 'The woman (Eve) You put here with me -- she
    gave me some fruit from the tree, and I (over)ate (upon eating) it.'
    Then the LORD GOD said to the woman (Eve), 'What is this you have
    done?' The woman (Eve) said, 'The serpent deceived me, and I
    (over)ate.'" (Genesis 3:12-3 w/ parenthetical clarification)

    Source:
    https://biblehub.com/genesis/3-13.htm

    "Yes, Adam & Eve did commit the sin of gluttony when they overate and
    as they have confessed. Those who are either perishing or eternally
    condemned will lie about this fact." -- Holy Spirit (referring to
    Genesis 3:12-3, John 3:3&5, and Mark 3:29)

    Again, here's how to stop sinning ...

    To sin is to not do what LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth, our Mighty
    (Isaiah 9:6) GOD, wants because of our being
    http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) like
    http://bit.ly/BiblicalEsau whom GOD hates (Malachi 1:2-3).

    What about the serpent (aka satan) ?

    The serpent's sin was **not** gluttony, because he did **not**
    overeat.

    Instead, his sin was deceiving Eve so that now he can't say/write he's
    "wonderfully hungry" because he's now cursed (Genesis 3:14) to **not**
    be hungry and he's not forgiven of this sin because he's not been
    allowed to confess it.

    "There is absolutely only one sin that is tied to eating food like the
    figs from the Tree of Knowledge in the Garden of Eden and that is the
    sin of gluttony." -- Holy Spirit (referring again to Genesis 3:12-3)


    Suggested background reading:

    (1) What does Jesus want ?
    http://WDJW.net

    (2) How to stop sinning & avoid the eternal (Mark 3:29) sin ...
    https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/RLnsoanL450/J-MWlsafBQAJ

    (3) Our #1 Example of being wonderfully hungry...
    https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/tJCSufTgyLU/6pPYHYipGwAJ

    LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth being our #1 Example of being
    wonderfully hungry means that even His creating evil is not sin
    because He does it not out of being hangry but for the meaningful
    purpose of proving that, in fact, only GOD is good (Matthew 19:17).

    So let us not be a http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32)
    Drumpf ( http://bit.ly/W_d_DJT_r ) or else we'll most certainly die a
    http://bit.ly/TerriblyStupid (Mark 9:42) death:

    http://bit.ly/BiblicalEsau

    ... as in the tragic USENET example of Duke (aka duckgumbo32):
    https://groups.google.com/g/alt.bible.prophecy/c/f9T5jpNpCOU/m/evQjPTiLBgAJ

    ... or worse (John 5:14) become eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned as in
    the more tragic USENET example of James (zeb**ATwindstream.net):

    https://groups.google.com/g/alt.bible.prophecy/c/7GiPwBwBbqw/m/mvPDcSY5AQAJ

    The average American is overeating more than twice what they should.

    "I eat half as much as others typically eat." -- Fauja Singh (110 yo
    marathon runner)

    Source video from 2012:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCY0Xx92YvQ

    More recent video from 2020:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvilwVYyZSI:

    Bless you, Dr.

    Source:
    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/5EWtT4CwCOg/m/aRaFD6RtAwAJ

    I am indeed wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/RapidTestCOVID-19 )
    right now (Luke 6:21a) and hope you, Zee, also have a healthy appetite
    right now too.

    So how are you?

    I'm fine, Doc...

    Taking your "fine" to mean "yes, you have a healthy appetite," I, as a
    cardiologist, share with you, Zee, that it's really Wonderful (Isaiah
    9:6) knowing through our hunger (Deuteronomy 8:3) that we're indeed
    both being blessed right now as it's written in the Gospels in
    red&white at Luke 6:21a as evident by our both not having a heart
    attack (aka myocardial infarction) at the moment in accordance with
    pure logic {healthy=wonderful & appetite=hunger} and advise that you
    try to write that you're "wonderfully hungry" since we've established
    here that you are:

    So now how are you ?

    Doing great, Doc...

    Again, I advise that you, Zee, really try to write that you're >> >> >> >> >> "wonderfully hungry" since we've established here that you are: >> >> >> >> >>
    So now again, how are you ?

    I'm disappointed ...

    Again, I really advise that you, Zee, **really** try to write that >> >> >> >> you're "wonderfully hungry" since we've established here that you are:

    So now again, how are you ?

    I am going out tonight ...

    Again, I really advise a 4th time here that you, Zee, **really** try >> >> >> to write that you're "wonderfully hungry" since we've established here >> >> >> that you are:

    So now again, how are you ?

    I didn't ...

    Again, I really advise a 5th time here that you, Zee, **really** try
    to write that you're "wonderfully hungry" since we've established here
    that you are:

    So now again, how are you ?

    I just want ...

    Source: https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/x2t_EP0yxYE/m/gNjRqYooCAAJ

    <intervening greetings and replies snipped>

    Again, I really advise a 24th time here that you, Zee, **really** try
    to write that you're "wonderfully hungry" since we've established here
    that you are:

    So now again, how are you ?

    What ...

    Again, I really advise a 25th time here that you, Zee, **really** try
    to write that you're "wonderfully hungry" since we've established here
    that you are:

    So now again, how are you ?









    ...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,

    HeartDoc Andrew <><
    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
    2024 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President: http://WonderfullyHungry.org
    and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
    http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
    which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Z Crazy@21:1/5 to disc...@T3WiJ.com on Tue Aug 30 11:59:59 2022
    On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 8:53:37 PM UTC-7, disc...@T3WiJ.com wrote:
    "Z Crazy" (aka Zee) wrote in part:
    HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    "Z Crazy" (aka Zee) wrote in part:
    HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    "Z Crazy" (aka Zee) wrote in part:
    HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    "Z Crazy" (aka Zee) wrote in part:
    HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    "Z Crazy" (aka Zee) wrote in part:
    HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    "Z Crazy" (aka Zee) wrote in part:
    HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    "Z Crazy" (aka Zee) wrote in part:
    HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    "Z Crazy" (aka Zee) wrote:
    HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

    (Stat) 09/04/21 Again, as shown by the LORD, that instead of stopping
    the sin of gluttony by fasting (i.e. 0 lbs) ...

    "Then He (LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth) said to them all: 'Whoever
    wants to be My disciple must deny themselves (of excess food) and take
    up their cross ( http://tinyurl.com/FoodScale3 ) daily and follow
    Me.'" (Luke 9:23 & context w/ parenthetical clarification)

    Source:
    https://biblehub.com/luke/9-23.htm


    "An omer of manna/wheat/food weighs 2 lbs. Perishing souls such as
    KlausS will continue to lie about this fact." -- Holy Spirit
    (referring to Exodus 16:16 and Revelation 6:6)

    Source:
    https://groups.google.com/g/alt.bible.prophecy/c/xufZaqEm4XA/m/jyzKYlgGAQAJ


    "Then Jesus took the loaves, gave thanks to GOD, and distributed them
    to the people. Afterward(s) He did the same with the fish (so that
    they each got 2 lbs of food). And they all ate (the 2 lbs which was)
    as much as they wanted. After everyone was full (satisfied that they
    got all they needed), Jesus told His disciples, 'Now gather the
    leftovers (which wouldn't exist if the people overate the excess
    food), so that nothing is wasted.'" (John 6:11-12, NLT w/
    parenthetical clarification)

    Source:
    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/ZgsDuv_E6oI/m/NickmAzXAwAJ


    "Yes, 2 lbs of food is the right amount of daily food even if the food
    is just raw wheat" -- Holy Spirit (referring to John 6:11-12, Exodus
    16:16, and Revelation 6:6)

    Source:
    https://biblehub.com/revelation/6-6.htm

    +++

    Again, behold ...

    "The man (Adam) said, 'The woman (Eve) You put here with me -- she
    gave me some fruit from the tree, and I (over)ate (upon eating) it.'
    Then the LORD GOD said to the woman (Eve), 'What is this you have
    done?' The woman (Eve) said, 'The serpent deceived me, and I
    (over)ate.'" (Genesis 3:12-3 w/ parenthetical clarification)

    Source:
    https://biblehub.com/genesis/3-13.htm

    "Yes, Adam & Eve did commit the sin of gluttony when they overate and
    as they have confessed. Those who are either perishing or eternally
    condemned will lie about this fact." -- Holy Spirit (referring to
    Genesis 3:12-3, John 3:3&5, and Mark 3:29)

    Again, here's how to stop sinning ...

    To sin is to not do what LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth, our Mighty
    (Isaiah 9:6) GOD, wants because of our being
    http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) like
    http://bit.ly/BiblicalEsau whom GOD hates (Malachi 1:2-3).

    What about the serpent (aka satan) ?

    The serpent's sin was **not** gluttony, because he did **not**
    overeat.

    Instead, his sin was deceiving Eve so that now he can't say/write he's
    "wonderfully hungry" because he's now cursed (Genesis 3:14) to **not**
    be hungry and he's not forgiven of this sin because he's not been
    allowed to confess it.

    "There is absolutely only one sin that is tied to eating food like the
    figs from the Tree of Knowledge in the Garden of Eden and that is the
    sin of gluttony." -- Holy Spirit (referring again to Genesis 3:12-3)


    Suggested background reading:

    (1) What does Jesus want ?
    http://WDJW.net

    (2) How to stop sinning & avoid the eternal (Mark 3:29) sin ...
    https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/RLnsoanL450/J-MWlsafBQAJ

    (3) Our #1 Example of being wonderfully hungry...
    https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/tJCSufTgyLU/6pPYHYipGwAJ

    LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth being our #1 Example of being
    wonderfully hungry means that even His creating evil is not sin
    because He does it not out of being hangry but for the meaningful
    purpose of proving that, in fact, only GOD is good (Matthew 19:17).

    So let us not be a http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32)
    Drumpf ( http://bit.ly/W_d_DJT_r ) or else we'll most certainly die a
    http://bit.ly/TerriblyStupid (Mark 9:42) death:

    http://bit.ly/BiblicalEsau

    ... as in the tragic USENET example of Duke (aka duckgumbo32):
    https://groups.google.com/g/alt.bible.prophecy/c/f9T5jpNpCOU/m/evQjPTiLBgAJ

    ... or worse (John 5:14) become eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned as in
    the more tragic USENET example of James (zeb**ATwindstream.net):

    https://groups.google.com/g/alt.bible.prophecy/c/7GiPwBwBbqw/m/mvPDcSY5AQAJ

    The average American is overeating more than twice what they should.

    "I eat half as much as others typically eat." -- Fauja Singh (110 yo
    marathon runner)

    Source video from 2012:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCY0Xx92YvQ

    More recent video from 2020:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvilwVYyZSI:

    Bless you, Dr.

    Source:
    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/5EWtT4CwCOg/m/aRaFD6RtAwAJ

    I am indeed wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/RapidTestCOVID-19 )
    right now (Luke 6:21a) and hope you, Zee, also have a healthy appetite
    right now too.

    So how are you?

    I'm fine, Doc...

    Taking your "fine" to mean "yes, you have a healthy appetite," I, as a
    cardiologist, share with you, Zee, that it's really Wonderful (Isaiah
    9:6) knowing through our hunger (Deuteronomy 8:3) that we're indeed
    both being blessed right now as it's written in the Gospels in
    red&white at Luke 6:21a as evident by our both not having a heart
    attack (aka myocardial infarction) at the moment in accordance with
    pure logic {healthy=wonderful & appetite=hunger} and advise that you
    try to write that you're "wonderfully hungry" since we've established
    here that you are:

    So now how are you ?

    Doing great, Doc...

    Again, I advise that you, Zee, really try to write that you're >> >> >> >> >> "wonderfully hungry" since we've established here that you are:

    So now again, how are you ?

    I'm disappointed ...

    Again, I really advise that you, Zee, **really** try to write that
    you're "wonderfully hungry" since we've established here that you are:

    So now again, how are you ?

    I am going out tonight ...

    Again, I really advise a 4th time here that you, Zee, **really** try >> >> >> to write that you're "wonderfully hungry" since we've established here
    that you are:

    So now again, how are you ?

    I didn't ...

    Again, I really advise a 5th time here that you, Zee, **really** try
    to write that you're "wonderfully hungry" since we've established here >> >> that you are:

    So now again, how are you ?

    I just want ...

    Source: https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/x2t_EP0yxYE/m/gNjRqYooCAAJ

    <intervening greetings and replies snipped>
    Again, I really advise a 23rd time here that you, Zee, **really** try
    to write that you're "wonderfully hungry" since we've established here
    that you are:

    So now again, how are you ?

    I'm wonderfully horny ...

    Again, I really advise a 24th time here that you, Zee, **really** try
    to write that you're "wonderfully hungry" since we've established here
    that you are:

    So now again, how are you ?









    ...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,

    HeartDoc Andrew <><
    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
    2024 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President: http://WonderfullyHungry.org
    and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
    http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
    which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis
    What the fuck is wrong with you? Why are you so obsessed with being hungry? I just want sex with a cute White girl. Is that too much to ask?

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