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    From Archimedes Plutonium@21:1/5 to Volney on Fri Sep 15 23:09:29 2023
    Volney Physics failures..Purdue_Akira Suzuki (chem), Dr. Virgil Barnes, Dr. Duane Carmony, Dr. Thomas Clark, Dr. David Elmore, Dr. Norman Fuchs,NSF Dr.Panchanathan,Alejandro Adem, Purdue Univ_France Cordova,

    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 5:37:32 PM UTC-5, Volney wrote:
    "goonclod failure of logic"

    Purdue Univ. physics & chemistry, Akira Suzuki (chem), Dr. Virgil Barnes, Dr. Duane Carmony, Dr. Thomas Clark, Dr. David Elmore, Dr. Norman Fuchs, Dr. James Gaidos, Dr. Nicholas Giordano, Dr. Laszlo Gutay, Dr. Samuel Harris, Dr. Mark Haugan, Dr. Andrew
    Hirsch, Dr.Tzee-Ke Kuo, Dr. Sherwin Love, Dr. David Miller, Dr. Thomas Moffett, Dr. Paul Muzikar, Dr. Hisao Nakanishi, Dr. Van Neie, Dr.Thomas Palfrey, Dr. Anant Ramdas, Dr, Ronald Reifenberger, Dr. Rolf Scharenberg, Dr. Donald Schlueter, Dr. Paul Simms,
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    Why Volney?? Because they are so sloppy and slipshod in Physics experiment of Water Electrolysis, stopping and ceasing the experiment before weighing the mass of the hydrogen compared to mass of oxygen. Is it that they are stupid silly thinking volume
    and mass are the same. For AP needs to prove decisively, if Water is really H4O or H2O. And of course, this experiment would destroy the Standard Model-- that post-diction theory of physics that never gave a single prediction in all of its tenure.

    Why Volney for Purdue probably helped engineer the Quartz Crystal Microbalance. Even though the anti-science moron that is Kibo Volney will never understand.

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    Why Volney?? Because they are so sloppy and slipshod in Physics experiment of Water Electrolysis, stopping and ceasing the experiment before weighing the mass of the hydrogen compared to mass of oxygen. Is it that they are stupid silly thinking volume
    and mass are the same. For AP needs to prove decisively, if Water is really H4O or H2O. And of course, this experiment would destroy the Standard Model-- that post-diction theory of physics that never gave a single prediction in all of its tenure.

    Or is it because they cannot admit the truth of math geometry that slant cut of cone is oval, not ellipse for you need the symmetry of slant cut of cylinder to yield a ellipse.



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    Dan Christensen using TEACHING TRUE MATHEMATICS at Univ Western Ontario instead of the fake Old Math calculus with its thousands of rules and memorization of trig functions. New Math has 1 rule-- Power Rule
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    WM using AP's TEACHING TRUE MATHEMATICS to teach 13-14 year olds CALCULUS, those heading for Gottingen & Uni Berlin for AP reduced Calculus to its most simple form-- add or subtract 1 from exponent.
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    182b-Volney uses TEACHING TRUE MATHEMATICS to teach 13-14 year olds CALCULUS, those heading for Berkeley,Caltech, Stanford, for AP reduced Calculus to its most simple form-- add or subtract 1 from exponent.
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    Volney uses TEACHING TRUE MATHEMATICS to teach 13-14 year olds CALCULUS, those heading for Berkeley,Caltech, Stanford, for AP reduced Calculus to its most simple form-- add or subtract 1 from exponent.
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    Caltech Physics Dept

    Felix Boehm, Steven Frautschi
    Murray Gell-Mann, David Goodstein, Thomas Phillips,
    John Schwarz, Barry Simon, Kip Thorne, Petr Vogel,
    Rochus Vogt, Ward Whaling, Michael E. Brown,
    Konstantin Batygin, Dr.Frances Arnold (chem), Dr.Barry Barish, Dr.Rudolph Marcus (chem), Dr.Hugh Politzer

    Apparently Kibo realized he was a science failure when he could not even do a proper percentage. But then one has to wonder how much he paid to bribe Rensselaer to graduate from the school in engineering unable to do a percentage properly???? For I
    certainly would not hire a engineer who cannot even do proper percentage.


    On Wednesday, December 6, 2017 at 12:30:22 AM UTC-6, Michael Moroney wrote:
    Silly boy, that's off by more than 12.6 MeV, or 12% of the mass of a muon. Hardly "exactly" 9 muons.
    Wednesday, December 6, 2017 at 9:52:21 AM UTC-6, Michael Moroney wrote:
    Or, 938.2720813/105.6583745 = 8.88024338572. A proton is about the mass
    of 8.88 muons, not 9. About 12% short.


    Why Volney?? Because they stop short of completing the Water Electrolysis Experiment by only looking at volume, when they are meant to weigh the mass of hydrogen versus oxygen?? Such shoddy minds in experimental physics and chemistry.

    Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute Physics dept Dr.Martin Schmidt (ee), Dr.Ivar Giaever
    Vincent Meunier, Ethan Brown, Glenn Ciolek, Julian S. Georg, Joel T. Giedt, Yong Sung Kim, Gyorgy Korniss, Toh-Ming Lu, Charles Martin, Joseph Darryl Michael, Heidi Jo Newberg, Moussa N'Gom, Peter Persans, John Schroeder, Michael Shur, Shawn-Yu Lin,
    Humberto Terrones, Gwo Ching Wang, Morris A Washington, Esther A. Wertz, Christian M. Wetzel, Ingrid Wilke, Shengbai Zhang

    Rensselaer math department
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    On Friday, June 7, 2019 at 12:13:14 AM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote:
    Physics minnow
    WARNING TO ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING STUDENTS:

    What warning is that Kibo Parry failure of science-- warning that insane persons like Kibo Parry Moroney Volney spends their entire life in a hate-mill, never doing anything in science itself. And paid to stalk hate spew

    Kibo Parry Moroney-Volney blowing his cover with the CIA in 1997
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    On Sunday, June 8, 1997 at 2:00:00 AM UTC-5, Scott Dorsey wrote:
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    News starting to come in that AP's Water Electrolysis Experiment proves the true formula of Water is H4O, not H2O is starting to come in.

    Aug 30, 2023, 10:19:20 PM
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    News starting to come in that AP's Water Electrolysis Experiment proves the true formula of Water is H4O, not H2O is starting to come in.

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  • From Archimedes Plutonium@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 19 21:34:21 2023
    Solving the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict, the easiest way possible-- voting// political science
    by Archimedes Plutonium

    James Kibo Parry (Moroney-Volney) continual REQUESTS to publish AP's 259th book of science.
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    Volney
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    Solving the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict, the easiest way possible-- voting// political science
    by Archimedes Plutonium

    This is AP's 259th book of science, Oct2023.

    Preface: In 2019, there was word filtering down in the news that President Trump had a plan for Israel and Palestinians that would in my opinion make the Palestinians suffer even more of their 56 year occupation by Israel, their squalid living conditions
    and little hope of a free future. So I set myself to the task of figuring out the very finest and easiest solution to this nightmare of a problem for 4.8 million Palestinians opposed by 9.7 million Israelis that were occupying and oppressing them. The
    solution I came up with had to be such that it mobilized the Israelis along with the Palestinians in a tandem tied together solution. The solution I came up with was the simple act of Voting, especially voting for a prime minister in Israel. A solution
    that would end the bloodshed and ongoing violence. Sadly no-one took my recommendations in 2019, but now in October of 2023 with a huge attack upon Israelis by Hamas in Gaza strip, with hostages, and the threat of massive killing of Palestinians, here I
    am again proposing my solution.

    Israelis are used to voting, not so the Arabs or Palestinians are __not used to voting__. But voting is what lifted Black Americans and lifted Native American Indians. And I am sure that voting will lift the Palestinians. For nothing is much worse than
    the present state of Palestinian peoples, living in poverty, squalor, little hope of a future.

    Cover Picture: Is my photograph of a Google search on flags of Palestinians and Israel.

    ----------------------------------
    Table of Contents
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    1) My history on this idea of voting to solve Israel-Palestine Conflict.

    2) Modern Israel seeks all the lands of Ancient Israel, an Anachronism of modern political-life.

    3) Countries seeking their Ancient borderlines turns Earth into a hell-hole.

    4) The March 2020 election between Gantz and Netanyahu.

    5) Voting mechanism will drive Israel to seek a Two State Solution.

    6) Israel has subjugated, oppressed and occupied Palestinians.

    7) There are 4.8 million Palestinians and 9.7 Israelis.

    8) Hamas, release the hostages safely, for violence does not work; Voting works.

    9) Palestinians in their 56 year occupation, the longest occupation in history.

    10) Russia is fast steal of land of Ukraine and genocide; Israel is slow steal of land Palestine and genocide.

    11) Imagine a peaceful and happy Israel-Palestine, all because of Voting.



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    1) My history on this idea of voting to solve Israel-Palestine Conflict.



    My plan started in 2019 after hearing of more of the then President Trump enslavement plan of the Palestinians.

    My plan picks up momentum by January of 2020.

    AP's Peace Plan for Palestine-Israeli Peace Plan (far better than the Trump enslavement plan) // Science Council Ruling Earth rather than frail weak minds of dictators or democracies.


    Newsgroups: sci.physics
    Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 22:53:54 -0800 (PST)
    Subject: AP's Peace Plan for Palestine-Israel Peace Plan (far better than the Trump enslavement plan) // Science Council Ruling Earth rather than frail weak minds of dictators or democracies
    From: Archimedes Plutonium

    Alright, I was watching DW news tonight with talk about the Trump-Netanyahu Plan. And that plan is really a confiscation of all the most desirable land, leaving the Palestinians with deserts, no water, and underground tunnels to get around. DW is an
    excellent news agency, and describing this Trump plan is something you might see in a "science fiction", and I would say, a "science fiction horror movie" not a government plan for a race of people of the Palestinians. I mean, well, Trump treats the
    Palestinians as if they were what? For I see no glimmer of dignity for the Palestinians.

    Trump's plan in summary still leaves a Israeli occupation over Palestinians for they have no Airspace and their borders sealed. So, what is in it for the Palestinians-- nothing, but enslavement. And underground tunnels to get around in? And the stealing
    of all the land that is worthy.

    So, I like to offer AP's Peace Plan. A plan that gives "Dignity to a race of people, whose dignity has been denied and stripped of them, with decades of occupation and settlement incursions on their land".

    I propose that in the upcoming election between Benny Gantz and BB Netanyahu, coming up I believe in March, very soon indeed.

    That the entire Palestinian Peoples all rise up and vote on that very same day. Vote for either Gantz or Netanyahu. Vote on papers, so the Palestinian government or Authorities can collect all the ballots and if need be, deposit them in the International
    Courts.

    So, if all the Palestinians vote for Gantz, and he would win with that vote. But the Israeli Netanyahu government not recognize the Palestinian vote and run off and say that BB won, for he only won by suppression of the Occupied Palestinians.

    And here is where Abbas and the Palestinian Authority take all those paper votes and introduce them to the International Courts as evidence. Evidence of a occupied people, stripped of rights and dignity, with no land to call home.

    Perhaps there is a law in International Laws that would dictate the Israeli's acknowledge the Palestinian votes of March 2020, and that Israel must accept those votes along with Israel's own votes. For there probably is something in International Laws,
    some precedent that forces Israel to accept the Palestinian votes on March 2020.

    Saying that because the Palestinians are an Occupied and put in slavery by Israel, that the Palestinians have no land for which the Occupiers of Israel deny them of human dignity and rights of votes.

    As long as Palestine is Occupied with no land, their rights of governance is denied them by Israel.

    So, on the very same day that Israel votes for either Gantz or Netanyahu, have elections in Palestine on paper ballots voting for either Gantz or Netanyahu.

    End this mockery of occupation, land stealing, and enslavement of a peoples.

    The USA seems to have not wanted to be a "fair broker" especially since Trump gained office.

    End the mockery, and let the International Courts settle this Palestine-Israel Conflict. USA seems unable to ever be a "fair broker", so let the International Court be the broker. And start that brokerage with the Israel March election.

    Have the Palestinians all vote in that same election in their occupied territories, vote either for Gantz or Netanyahu. And if Israel does not count your votes, then haul all the paper ballots to the International Court, and let them decide, who the next
    Prime Minister of Israel is on March 2020.

    The alternative then, is, Israel gives Palestinians all the West Bank and Gaza and removes the settlements, or, Palestine peoples will vote in every Israel election hence, forward.



    2) Modern Israel seeks all the lands of Ancient Israel, an Anachronism of modern political-life.



    It has been baffling for leaders of the USA and other western nations and allies, why Israel does not seem or want to conform to a two state solution. And where violence and war is ever brewing and simmering, a perpetual warring and bombing and missiling
    of Israel and Palestinians.

    Baffling because, most western countries do not understand, almost every Israeli is feeling and passionately feeling the desire of Modern Israel be the same land that was Ancient Israel, with all of Jerusalem, not a portion of Jerusalem but all of
    Jerusalem.

    Why, even the UK, United Kingdom, England has a national song with the word "Jerusalem" in the national song.

    How many times, yes, how many times has the United States, the closest ally of Israel, asked Israel to stop settlement building on West Bank Palestinian land? Is it 100,000 times they asked Israel to stop building settlements on Palestinian land, saying "
    it is not helpful" in achieving a two state solution.



    3) Countries seeking their Ancient borderlines turns Earth into a hell-hole.


    And this is a modern anachronism of political science. Modern day people who look back in time of their country and seek that larger country it was in past times.

    What if Mexico decided to regain its Ancient Mexico borders and started settlement building in USA state of Texas?

    What if Russia decided it wants Ukraine land because in the past, it had Ukraine land, and so invades Ukraine.

    What if China wants its old past border of what is now Vladivostok-- called Haishenwai under the great Qing dynasty. What if China wanted that back, now, do we go into World War 3 or 4?

    What I am saying is that people, politicians looking to regain lands of Ancient times, only create havoc and panic and death to thousands of people over their misguided dreams and desires.

    Humanity must go forward with hopes of a better world, better society, not backwards to regain what was lost in the past.



    4) The March 2020 election between Gantz and Netanyahu.


    Archimedes Plutonium
    Jan 29, 2020, 1:34:02 PM
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    Please, Palestine, have one of your best allies draw up ballots, paper ballots, so that every Palestinian in the 2 March Israeli election can vote for either Gantz or for Netanyahu. Have a place for the Palestinian voter to sign the ballot in case Israel
    does not want to recognize the vote. And if need be, to cart all the voted ballots to the International Court, in case Netanyahu tries to suppress and reject the votes.

    Sample Ballot (paper ballots)


    Vote for by circling your choice or by a checkmark by his name, or both circle and checkmark


    Benny Gantz


    Benjamin Netanyahu


    signature of voter in case he/she needs to be contacted by International Court of Justice


    Newsgroups: sci.physics
    Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 11:33:59 -0800 (PST)
    Subject: Please, Palestine, have one of your best allies draw up ballots, paper ballots, so that every Palestinian in the 2 March Israeli election can vote for either Gantz or Netanyahu // Science Council Ruling Earth
    From: Archimedes Plutonium

    Please, Palestine, have one of your best allies draw up ballots, paper ballots, so that every Palestinian in the 2 March Israeli election can vote for either Gantz or Netanyahu // Science Council Ruling Earth

    Please, Palestine, have one of your best allies draw up ballots, paper ballots, so that every Palestinian in the 2 March Israeli election can vote for either Gantz or for Netanyahu. Have a place for the Palestinian voter to sign the ballot in case Israel
    does not want to recognize the vote. And if need be, to cart all the voted ballots to the International Court, in case Netanyahu tries to suppress and reject the votes.

    Sample Ballot (paper ballots)


    Vote for by circling your choice or by a checkmark by his name, or both circle and checkmark


    Benny Gantz


    Benjamin Netanyahu


    signature of voter in case he/she needs to be contacted by International Court of Justice


    On Wednesday, January 29, 2020 at 2:08:54 PM UTC-6, Archimedes Plutonium wrote in sci.physics:

    Quoting Wikipedia—-

    In 1965 the Voting Rights Act (VRA) put an end to individual states' claims on whether or not Natives were allowed to vote through a federal law. Section 2 of the VRA states that, "No voting qualification or prerequisite to voting, or standard, practice,
    or procedure, shall be imposed or applied by any State or political subdivision to deny or abridge the right of any citizen of the United States to vote on account of race or color".[60] Further sections describe the measures taken if violations to this
    act are discovered.

    However, efforts by states and municipalities to disenfranchise Native Americans are ongoing, such that there have been about 74 cases brought by or on behalf of Natives under the VRA or the Fourteenth or Fifteenth Amendment since 1965. These in the most
    part have proved to be successful to upholding the rights of Native Americans as citizens of the United States. Most of these cases are centered on states that have large reservations, or Native populations, such as New Mexico, Arizona and Oklahoma.
    --- end quoting Wikipedia ---



    5) Voting mechanism will drive Israel to seek a Two State Solution.



    Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 12:43:37 -0800 (PST)
    From: Archimedes Plutonium
    To: Plutonium Atom Universe <plutonium-a...@googlegroups.com>
    Subject: The moment Israel has to allow the Palestinian votes into their general election, is the moment that Israel will look for peace in a two-state solution, otherwise...

    The moment Israel has to allow the Palestinian votes into their general election, is the moment that Israel will look for peace in a two-state solution, otherwise...

    Otherwise, Israel will just claw away, nibble and naw away every strip of land of the Palestinians until there is no more West Bank or Gaza. As long as Israel can elect people like Netanyahu, there never will be a two state solution.

    If Trump and Netanyahu had their wish, they would wish that cargo ships would dock at Israel ports and all Palestinians-- cattle prodded into boarding the ships and sent off to some re
  • From Archimedes Plutonium@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 20 15:07:55 2023
    6) Israel has subjugated, oppressed and occupied Palestinians.



    I remember a comment by someone in sci.math or sci.physics on this topic of why Israel treats the Palestinian people so harshly. And his comment was words to the effect. "They (Israelis) learned well from Europeans on how to subjugate, harass and steal
    from them, and so after all that learned in Northern Europe, they (Israelis) applied that learning upon the Palestinians".

    Now to be sure the Palestinians were not always angels themselves and had many skirmishes and clashes. But in the end analysis of 2020 to 2023, it is purely seen as a Israeli bully on a subjugated peoples of Palestinians.


    Archimedes Plutonium
    Oct 10, 2023, 2:19:35 AM
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    Turning these ideas into AP's 259th book-- Solving the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict-- by voting their way out of violence.

    Actually this is the easiest way to solve the conflict that has been nonstop violence from 1940s onward.

    With the recent flare-up of war in the early week of October 2023, where Hamas attacks and Israel retaliates with war. Now, more than ever do we need the best and easiest resolution-- give everyone of age in Israel and in occupied territory give them all
    the right to vote in the next Israeli election.

    If that had been done years back, then Netanyahu would not be PM now and there would likely be no war now.

    When you strip people of all dignity, especially the right to vote who you want governing you, you end up with a constant violence, belligerence and war that we see Israel versus Palestine.

    What raised the black people, the slaves in America, what lifted them into power and Dignity, was the right to vote. And they even elected a black President Barack Obama.
    It is possible, and likely that as Israel is forced to allow its occupation of Palestine-- allow them to vote, that they well mass together and get a Prime Minister that favors a two state solution and favors a halt and stopping of settlement land
    grabbing stealing.

    As long as we have no dignity for Palestinians, no vote, we have perpetual bloodshed and war.




    7) There are 4.8 million Palestinians and 9.7 Israelis.




    Archimedes Plutonium
    Oct 10, 2023, 2:33:15 AM
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    I am going to have to recall all my posts of the past on this topic and make this my 259th book of science-- political science.

    There will never be an end to the Palestine-Israel Conflict until the Palestinians vote their way out of these endless stealing of their land and endless wars.

    World's Easiest solution for Palestine-Israel Conflict-- count the votes by Palestinians in March 2 election of Gantz versus Netanyahu

    If you are a Democracy and you Occupy other people and their land,
    then you must allow all the voting age citizens of the Occupied land to vote in your election.
    Palestine has Gaza and West Bank of population of 4.8 million, while Israel has population of 9.7 million.
    All voting age Palestinians must have the right to vote in all Israel elections of Prime Minister.

    I propose that the UN or EU gives Palestine ballots in elections of Israel prime ministers, and collects and counts those ballots, signature of voter on each ballot.

    What this does is force Israel either into a Two State Solution, or forces them to no longer enslave the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza. It brings peace to the region.

    Otherwise, Israel is more like Russia on Ukraine. Russia bombing and trying to steal Ukraine. Not much different from Israel settlements in West Bank. Only Russia is a dictatorship while Israel is a Democracy. But Israel must be a ""full democracy"" for
    it Occupies the Palestinian lands and settlement stealing without giving them the right to vote in Israel elections of prime minister.

    Prime Ministers elected _without the 4.8 million Palestinian input_, is going to be nothing but more Settlement building and leaving Palestinians either dead from war and their buildings destroyed and the people having to move out of the region to a
    foreign land.

    Russia wants to steal all of Ukraine in fast time. Israel is stealing all of Palestinian land in slow time. That is the only difference between Russia on Ukraine and Israel on Palestine.

    The world has tried the Israel slow steal from 1967 to today in October 2023. Time to try something new and different. Give the Palestinians the right to vote in the Israeli prime minister elections, possibly other elections also. Try voting out of this
    bloodshed and violence.

    I write this as a War was begun by Hamas in early October 2023, and Israel retaliating as to crush Gaza, nothing new, same old same old from 1967 to October 2023. And at this rate, it is more like genocide of Palestinians than it is a tit for tat.

    If my Voting Technique had been adopted by 2019, then Netanyahu would likely not be the prime minister of Israel. This war in October of 2023 would never have happened, because the cycle of steal Palestine land and bomb West Bank and Gaza while
    Occupation of West Bank and Gaza that cycle would be broken as the 4.8million votes from Palestine with the 9.7 million Israel votes would have elected a Prime Minister of Israel that is for the first time--- willing to solve this conflict that has
    dragged on from 1940 to 2023 of 63 years of nothing but hatred, bloodshed and violence, cycle after cycle. For what is really going on is a land stealing and pushing out of Palestinians.

    Sadly , the USA has been an awful broker in this conflict, yet the USA learned this lesson themselves-- you have to give dignity to subjugated peoples-- the black slaves, the Native American Indians before them. Give them the dignity of Voting, and have
    them vote their way out of bloodshed and violence.

    As for Russia on Ukraine, there is no voting in Russia-- only a farce of voting. And so the West with its Democracies must forcibly repel the Russian invasion.

    I was alarmed to see that the USA gives Israel 128 billion dollars in aid in 2023, while only giving Ukraine 24 billion dollars of aid in 2023 (please check those figures). If accurate, it should be the other way around-- Ukraine needs 128 billion
    dollars in aid while Israel with its no progress in the conflict of Palestine getting less than 24, if any at all.


    Archimedes Plutonium
    Oct 10, 2023, 4:42:22 PM
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    So, here we have an odd situation if those number figures are correct above. We have Israel receiving 128 billion dollars in aid for 2023, yet we have a Ukraine fighting for its very life receiving only 24 billion in aid from USA in 2023, over 5 times
    more aid to Israel. For what, so they can beat up on their Arab neighbors 5 times more effectively???

    And I would like to ask the question of how much of the 128 billion dollars goes into directly or indirectly putting up construction of illegal settlements? Yet the US government has asked Israel to stop these settlements for it is not conducive to a two
    state solution.

    So no wonder the House raucous caucus (they should rename the caucus to be "raucous"), no wonder the right wing extremists wanted to shut down the government last month in September, with idiotic appropriations of 128 billion to Israel and only 24
    billion to Ukraine fighting for its life.


    Archimedes Plutonium
    Oct 11, 2023, 1:02:04 AM
    to Plutonium Atom Universe
    On DW news tonight was a Jewish historian lamenting the fact that Israel in its past history was mostly seen as a place of refuge and comfort and safety for Jews elsewhere in the world, persecuted and in harms way, and would see Israel as sanctuary.

    Yet nowadays, Israel is likely to be one of the most dangerous places to be.

    It is the Israeli government that has turned Israel into a land of harm and danger. For their priority is to get all the land of Ancient Israel and remove the Palestinians. The Two-State Solution harped on by the West, no-one in Israel wants to hear that,
    no, they want all of what was Ancient Israel, no matter the price.

    The Jewish historian placed some of the blame on Netanyahu for this modern day irony-- Israel is no longer a safe harbor but one of the most dangerous places to be.

    What my Voting Mechanism for a Peace Solution brings to the table, is the full consideration and dignity of 4.8 million Palestinians along with 9.7 million Israelis.

    Once the 4.8 million Palestinians start voting in the election of a Israeli Prime Minister, and those votes count in who wins, we break the cycle of hatred and bloodshed. We return Israel as a haven for Jews elsewhere on the globe who want to go to
    Israel for rest, relaxation, uplift and safety.

    It is Voting that lifted the black slaves and lifted the Native American Indians, lifted them in dignity and in equal rights, mind you we still have a long ways to go on equality, but with the Vote, it started the road to equality.

    Same way, giving the enslaved and occupied Palestinians a voice in the next Israeli Prime Minister starts the Middle East on a new path of safety, security and peace.


    Archimedes Plutonium
    Oct 11, 2023, 10:45:40 PM
    to Plutonium Atom Universe

    A spokes-person for Palestinians was very eloquent and logical tonight on PBS Newshour. He kept talking about the "root cause" of bloodshed and war in Israel and Palestine, the root cause that Israel wants no two state solution but to push out all
    Palestinians

    In my opinion, the status quo is either kill Palestinians in skirmishes or push them out of their land with more settlement building. This reminds one of a apartheid in Israel-Palestine, a worse apartheid then what happened in South Africa.

    I myself am ashamed of how the USA continues to back the bully-- Israel, in their land stealing settlements, their occupation of Palestinians, their continual driving them out of their homes and land. To me, the Israel -- Palestine wars is no different
    than the Russia invasion on Ukraine. That Israel is much like Russia in stealing land from other people and resorting to genocide, genocide of Ukrainians by Russians, same as genocide of Palestinians by Israelis.

    If the UN and EU had adopted AP's resolution-- allow the occupied Palestinians vote in every Israel election for Prime Minister have Palestinians 4.8 million vote in that election-- would have caused no Netanyahu as prime minister and would have likely
    no war in Oct 2023,--- instead, closer to a Peace and a Two State Solution.

    Russia invasion of Ukraine is fast steal of land with genocide of Ukrainians. Israel on Palestine is a slow steal of land, but equally a genocide of Palestinians.

    I am appalled that USA gives Israel 128 billion dollars in aid for 2023, while only giving 24 billion dollars to Ukraine in 2023. Seems turned around backwards. Ukraine needs 128 billion-- Israel needs less than 24 billion-- and only any aid so long as
    they stop settlement building and fast track a Two State Solution.



    8) Hamas, release the hostages safely, for violence does not work; Voting works.




    Archimedes Plutonium
    5:56 PM, 12Oct2023
    to Plutonium Atom Universe
    Hamas-- release the hostages so that Palestinians can get water, food, aid. ___And demand___ that all Palestinians 4.8million have the right to vote for the next Israeli prime minister. Ballots counted by UN & EU. If this had been in place in 2019, there
    would be no Netanyahu prime minister and this war of 2023.

    Israel-- accept the fact that you have occupied Palestinians for 56 years, longest occupation in human history, accept the fact that you wrongly build settlements on Palestinian land, and thus, accept the fact that 4.8 million Palestinians will vote for
    your Israel prime minister in all future elections until there is a ___Two State Solution____, living side by side in peace.

    Israel, admit that you are no better than Russia trying to steal Ukraine. Russia wants a fast steal the land, while Israel does a slow steal to try to capture all of Ancient Israel. Both are doing genocide of people.

    Vote yourself out of this non ending violence, cycle of bloodshed and violence.

    Vote, vote, vote, is the answer

    Sadly, USA is siding with a bully, not a fair broker. USA siding with Israel, is no better than USA siding with Russia trying to steal Ukraine.



    8) Palestinians in their 56 year occupation, the longest occupation in history.


    Archimedes Plutonium
    9:36 PM, 12Oct2023
    to Plutonium Atom Universe
    So, the Palestinians in the Palestine-Israeli conflict remind me of a Greek tragedy myth. I forgotten the name of the woman in the myth. I believe I heard the story from Sister Wendy when she was describing art paintings.

    The story goes like this as far as I can remember. This Greek woman was with child and servants and the land was under war and she had to evacuate. So she entrusted her child to a servant with a sum of money to go to a foreign land that was safe and she
    would join up with them. She finally makes the journey herself and gets to the beach where her servant and child landed and is fearful that something wrong happened. She eventually discovers her child was killed by the servant and the money taken. So
    there she is, all alone, in grief and little hope.

    There are 4.8 million Palestinians under occupation for 56 years, and 9.7 million Israelis who seem to be doing nothing but increasing new settlement building on Palestinian land.

    It is as if the Israelis wanted a attack on Israel so that they could bulldoze all of Gaza into the ocean and make Gaza a new Israeli settlement.

    Russia wants a fast steal of Ukraine land. Israel is happy with a slow steal of Palestinian land.

    I question the aid to Israel of 128 billion US dollars yet only 24 billion for Ukraine. How much of the 128 billion US aid is going into building new settlements on Palestinian land?

    Like the Greek woman tragedy, finding her son killed by the servant and her money stolen, breaks her heart and no hope of a future. The Palestinians have been occupied and living in squalor for 56 years under the Israel oppression.

    Time to try something new--- have the 4.8 million Palestinians vote in the next Israel prime minister election, and their votes counted by the UN or EU and applied to who becomes the next prime minister of Israel, and have this in every election until
    and unless a Two State Solution is finally worked out.

    At the rate we are going now on this conflict, the Israelis will kill or deport all Palestinians and steal all their land by a decade from now.

    Hamas and violence is no answer. Please return all hostages. But do add a conditional clause-- have Palestinians vote in the next Israeli prime minister election. Hamas solves nothing, but only intensifies more bloodshed and the removal or killing of all
    Palestinians.

    The Solution--- vote your way to freedom and a Two State Solution.

    AP

    Early morning of 13Oct2023, I wrote this in sci.physics,sci.math,plutonium-atom-universe newsgroups.

    Netanyahu and his war cabinet-- totally unhinged. They want 1.1 million in the Gaza strip to move south.

    --- quoting BBC ---
    Where is Wadi Gaza?
    As we've reported, the Israeli military has told the UN that everyone living north of Wadi Gaza should relocate in the next 24 hours - the UN says this amounts to about 1.1 million people.

    The Wadi Gaza is a river valley located around the centre of the Gaza Strip, snaking across its entire width and ending in the Mediterranean Sea. It is known for its coastal wetlands and biodiversity.

    This close-up of a UN map, where Wadi Gaza is represented by a brown dotted line at the bottom, shows that the area affected by Israel's evacuation order includes Gaza City, the enclave's largest city.

    --- end quoting BBC ---

    AP says, in the past 2 decades Israel has not chosen the path to peace and a two state solution. Israel just went the same old same old-- Occupation of the Palestinians, more horrible living conditions for 4.8 million Palestinians and the stealing of
    more Palestinian land for new settlements.

    Why is not America ashamed of itself for aiding this bu
  • From Archimedes Plutonium@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 21 11:33:17 2023
    James Kibo Parry Volney, since East and West Germany unified in 1990 their land area grew to be about the size of the state of Montana, before the unification it was the size of Oregon. What is the size of Israel? Is it New Hampshire or Vermont??

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Archimedes Plutonium@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 24 13:14:13 2023
    You likely met Dr.Feynman-his solution of Israel-Palestine Conflict, what was it Kibo??? For AP certainly has a nice easy solution-- Voting.



    Solving the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict, the easiest way possible-- voting// political science
    by Archimedes Plutonium


    Preface: In 2019, there was word filtering down in the news that President Trump had a plan for Israel and Palestinians that would in my opinion make the Palestinians suffer even more of their 56 year occupation by Israel, their squalid living conditions
    and little hope of a free future. So I set myself to the task of figuring out the very finest and easiest solution to this nightmare of a problem for 4.8 million Palestinians opposed by 9.7 million Israelis that were occupying and oppressing them. The
    solution I came up with had to be such that it mobilized the Israelis along with the Palestinians in a tandem tied together solution. The solution I came up with was the simple act of Voting, especially voting for a prime minister in Israel. A solution
    that would end the bloodshed and ongoing violence. Sadly no-one took my recommendations in 2019, but now in October of 2023 with a huge attack upon Israelis by Hamas in Gaza strip, with hostages, and the threat of massive killing of Palestinians, here I
    am again proposing my solution.

    Israelis are used to voting, not so the Arabs or Palestinians are __not used to voting__. But voting is what lifted Black Americans and lifted Native American Indians. And I am sure that voting will lift the Palestinians. For nothing is much worse than
    the present state of Palestinian peoples, living in poverty, squalor, little hope of a future.

    Cover Picture: Is my photograph of a Google search on flags of Palestinians and Israel.

    ----------------------------------
    Table of Contents
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    1) My history on this idea of voting to solve Israel-Palestine Conflict.

    2) Modern Israel seeks all the lands of Ancient Israel, an Anachronism of modern political-life.

    3) Countries seeking their Ancient borderlines turns Earth into a hell-hole.

    4) The March 2020 election between Gantz and Netanyahu.

    5) Voting mechanism will drive Israel to seek a Two State Solution.

    6) Israel has subjugated, oppressed and occupied Palestinians.

    7) There are 4.8 million Palestinians and 9.7 Israelis.

    8) Hamas, release the hostages safely, for violence does not work; Voting works.

    9) Palestinians in their 56 year occupation, the longest occupation in history.

    10) The ever increasing Israel settlement building on occupied Palestinian lands.

    11) Russia is fast steal of land of Ukraine and genocide; Israel is slow steal of land Palestine and genocide.

    12) Imagine a peaceful and happy Israel-Palestine, all because of Voting.

    6) Israel has subjugated, oppressed and occupied Palestinians.



    I remember a comment by someone in sci.math or sci.physics on this topic of why Israel treats the Palestinian people so harshly. And his comment was words to the effect. "They (Israelis) learned well from Europeans on how to subjugate, harass and steal
    from them, and so after all that learned in Northern Europe, they (Israelis) applied that learning upon the Palestinians".

    Now to be sure the Palestinians were not always angels themselves and had many skirmishes and clashes. But in the end analysis of 2020 to 2023, it is purely seen as a Israeli bully on a subjugated peoples of Palestinians.


    Archimedes Plutonium
    Oct 10, 2023, 2:19:35 AM
    to Plutonium Atom Universe
    Turning these ideas into AP's 259th book-- Solving the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict-- by voting their way out of violence.

    Actually this is the easiest way to solve the conflict that has been nonstop violence from 1940s onward.

    With the recent flare-up of war in the early week of October 2023, where Hamas attacks and Israel retaliates with war. Now, more than ever do we need the best and easiest resolution-- give everyone of age in Israel and in occupied territory give them all
    the right to vote in the next Israeli election.

    If that had been done years back, then Netanyahu would not be PM now and there would likely be no war now.

    When you strip people of all dignity, especially the right to vote who you want governing you, you end up with a constant violence, belligerence and war that we see Israel versus Palestine.

    What raised the black people, the slaves in America, what lifted them into power and Dignity, was the right to vote. And they even elected a black President Barack Obama.
    It is possible, and likely that as Israel is forced to allow its occupation of Palestine-- allow them to vote, that they well mass together and get a Prime Minister that favors a two state solution and favors a halt and stopping of settlement land
    grabbing stealing.

    As long as we have no dignity for Palestinians, no vote, we have perpetual bloodshed and war.




    7) There are 4.8 million Palestinians and 9.7 Israelis.




    Archimedes Plutonium
    Oct 10, 2023, 2:33:15 AM
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    I am going to have to recall all my posts of the past on this topic and make this my 259th book of science-- political science.

    There will never be an end to the Palestine-Israel Conflict until the Palestinians vote their way out of these endless stealing of their land and endless wars.

    World's Easiest solution for Palestine-Israel Conflict-- count the votes by Palestinians in March 2 election of Gantz versus Netanyahu

    If you are a Democracy and you Occupy other people and their land,
    then you must allow all the voting age citizens of the Occupied land to vote in your election.
    Palestine has Gaza and West Bank of population of 4.8 million, while Israel has population of 9.7 million.
    All voting age Palestinians must have the right to vote in all Israel elections of Prime Minister.

    I propose that the UN or EU gives Palestine ballots in elections of Israel prime ministers, and collects and counts those ballots, signature of voter on each ballot.

    What this does is force Israel either into a Two State Solution, or forces them to no longer enslave the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza. It brings peace to the region.

    Otherwise, Israel is more like Russia on Ukraine. Russia bombing and trying to steal Ukraine. Not much different from Israel settlements in West Bank. Only Russia is a dictatorship while Israel is a Democracy. But Israel must be a ""full democracy"" for
    it Occupies the Palestinian lands and settlement stealing without giving them the right to vote in Israel elections of prime minister.

    Prime Ministers elected _without the 4.8 million Palestinian input_, is going to be nothing but more Settlement building and leaving Palestinians either dead from war and their buildings destroyed and the people having to move out of the region to a
    foreign land.

    Russia wants to steal all of Ukraine in fast time. Israel is stealing all of Palestinian land in slow time. That is the only difference between Russia on Ukraine and Israel on Palestine.

    The world has tried the Israel slow steal from 1967 to today in October 2023. Time to try something new and different. Give the Palestinians the right to vote in the Israeli prime minister elections, possibly other elections also. Try voting out of this
    bloodshed and violence.

    I write this as a War was begun by Hamas in early October 2023, and Israel retaliating as to crush Gaza, nothing new, same old same old from 1967 to October 2023. And at this rate, it is more like genocide of Palestinians than it is a tit for tat.

    If my Voting Technique had been adopted by 2019, then Netanyahu would likely not be the prime minister of Israel. This war in October of 2023 would never have happened, because the cycle of steal Palestine land and bomb West Bank and Gaza while
    Occupation of West Bank and Gaza that cycle would be broken as the 4.8million votes from Palestine with the 9.7 million Israel votes would have elected a Prime Minister of Israel that is for the first time--- willing to solve this conflict that has
    dragged on from 1940 to 2023 of 63 years of nothing but hatred, bloodshed and violence, cycle after cycle. For what is really going on is a land stealing and pushing out of Palestinians.

    Sadly , the USA has been an awful broker in this conflict, yet the USA learned this lesson themselves-- you have to give dignity to subjugated peoples-- the black slaves, the Native American Indians before them. Give them the dignity of Voting, and have
    them vote their way out of bloodshed and violence.

    As for Russia on Ukraine, there is no voting in Russia-- only a farce of voting. And so the West with its Democracies must forcibly repel the Russian invasion.

    I was alarmed to see that the USA gives Israel 128 billion dollars in aid in 2023, while only giving Ukraine 24 billion dollars of aid in 2023 (please check those figures). If accurate, it should be the other way around-- Ukraine needs 128 billion
    dollars in aid while Israel with its no progress in the conflict of Palestine getting less than 24, if any at all.


    Archimedes Plutonium
    Oct 10, 2023, 4:42:22 PM
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    So, here we have an odd situation if those number figures are correct above. We have Israel receiving 128 billion dollars in aid for 2023, yet we have a Ukraine fighting for its very life receiving only 24 billion in aid from USA in 2023, over 5 times
    more aid to Israel. For what, so they can beat up on their Arab neighbors 5 times more effectively???

    And I would like to ask the question of how much of the 128 billion dollars goes into directly or indirectly putting up construction of illegal settlements? Yet the US government has asked Israel to stop these settlements for it is not conducive to a two
    state solution.

    So no wonder the House raucous caucus (they should rename the caucus to be "raucous"), no wonder the right wing extremists wanted to shut down the government last month in September, with idiotic appropriations of 128 billion to Israel and only 24
    billion to Ukraine fighting for its life.


    Archimedes Plutonium
    Oct 11, 2023, 1:02:04 AM
    to Plutonium Atom Universe
    On DW news tonight was a Jewish historian lamenting the fact that Israel in its past history was mostly seen as a place of refuge and comfort and safety for Jews elsewhere in the world, persecuted and in harms way, and would see Israel as sanctuary.

    Yet nowadays, Israel is likely to be one of the most dangerous places to be.

    It is the Israeli government that has turned Israel into a land of harm and danger. For their priority is to get all the land of Ancient Israel and remove the Palestinians. The Two-State Solution harped on by the West, no-one in Israel wants to hear that,
    no, they want all of what was Ancient Israel, no matter the price.

    The Jewish historian placed some of the blame on Netanyahu for this modern day irony-- Israel is no longer a safe harbor but one of the most dangerous places to be.

    What my Voting Mechanism for a Peace Solution brings to the table, is the full consideration and dignity of 4.8 million Palestinians along with 9.7 million Israelis.

    Once the 4.8 million Palestinians start voting in the election of a Israeli Prime Minister, and those votes count in who wins, we break the cycle of hatred and bloodshed. We return Israel as a haven for Jews elsewhere on the globe who want to go to
    Israel for rest, relaxation, uplift and safety.

    It is Voting that lifted the black slaves and lifted the Native American Indians, lifted them in dignity and in equal rights, mind you we still have a long ways to go on equality, but with the Vote, it started the road to equality.

    Same way, giving the enslaved and occupied Palestinians a voice in the next Israeli Prime Minister starts the Middle East on a new path of safety, security and peace.


    Archimedes Plutonium
    Oct 11, 2023, 10:45:40 PM
    to Plutonium Atom Universe

    A spokes-person for Palestinians was very eloquent and logical tonight on PBS Newshour. He kept talking about the "root cause" of bloodshed and war in Israel and Palestine, the root cause that Israel wants no two state solution but to push out all
    Palestinians

    In my opinion, the status quo is either kill Palestinians in skirmishes or push them out of their land with more settlement building. This reminds one of a apartheid in Israel-Palestine, a worse apartheid then what happened in South Africa.

    I myself am ashamed of how the USA continues to back the bully-- Israel, in their land stealing settlements, their occupation of Palestinians, their continual driving them out of their homes and land. To me, the Israel -- Palestine wars is no different
    than the Russia invasion on Ukraine. That Israel is much like Russia in stealing land from other people and resorting to genocide, genocide of Ukrainians by Russians, same as genocide of Palestinians by Israelis.

    If the UN and EU had adopted AP's resolution-- allow the occupied Palestinians vote in every Israel election for Prime Minister have Palestinians 4.8 million vote in that election-- would have caused no Netanyahu as prime minister and would have likely
    no war in Oct 2023,--- instead, closer to a Peace and a Two State Solution.

    Russia invasion of Ukraine is fast steal of land with genocide of Ukrainians. Israel on Palestine is a slow steal of land, but equally a genocide of Palestinians.

    I am appalled that USA gives Israel 128 billion dollars in aid for 2023, while only giving 24 billion dollars to Ukraine in 2023. Seems turned around backwards. Ukraine needs 128 billion-- Israel needs less than 24 billion-- and only any aid so long as
    they stop settlement building and fast track a Two State Solution.



    8) Hamas, release the hostages safely, for violence does not work; Voting works.




    Archimedes Plutonium
    5:56 PM, 12Oct2023
    to Plutonium Atom Universe
    Hamas-- release the hostages so that Palestinians can get water, food, aid. ___And demand___ that all Palestinians 4.8million have the right to vote for the next Israeli prime minister. Ballots counted by UN & EU. If this had been in place in 2019, there
    would be no Netanyahu prime minister and this war of 2023.

    Israel-- accept the fact that you have occupied Palestinians for 56 years, longest occupation in human history, accept the fact that you wrongly build settlements on Palestinian land, and thus, accept the fact that 4.8 million Palestinians will vote for
    your Israel prime minister in all future elections until there is a ___Two State Solution____, living side by side in peace.

    Israel, admit that you are no better than Russia trying to steal Ukraine. Russia wants a fast steal the land, while Israel does a slow steal to try to capture all of Ancient Israel. Both are doing genocide of people.

    Vote yourself out of this non ending violence, cycle of bloodshed and violence.

    Vote, vote, vote, is the answer

    Sadly, USA is siding with a bully, not a fair broker. USA siding with Israel, is no better than USA siding with Russia trying to steal Ukraine.



    8) Palestinians in their 56 year occupation, the longest occupation in history.


    Archimedes Plutonium
    9:36 PM, 12Oct2023
    to Plutonium Atom Universe
    So, the Palestinians in the Palestine-Israeli conflict remind me of a Greek tragedy myth. I forgotten the name of the woman in the myth. I believe I heard the story from Sister Wendy when she was describing art paintings.

    The story goes like this as far as I can remember. This Greek woman was with child and servants and the land was under war and she had to evacuate. So she entrusted her child to a servant with a sum of money to go to a foreign land that was safe and she
    would join up with them. She finally makes the journey herself and gets to the beach where her servant and child landed and is fearful that something wrong happened. She eventually discovers her child was killed by the servant and the money taken. So
    there she is, all alone, in grief and little hope.

    There are 4.8 million Palestinians under occupation for 56 years, and 9.7 million Israelis who seem to be doing nothing but increasing new settlement building on Palestinian land.

    It is as if the Israelis wanted a attack on Israel so that they could bulldoze all of Gaza into the ocean and make Gaza a new Israeli settlement.

    Russia wants a fast steal of Ukraine land. Israel is happy with a slow steal of Palestinian land.

    I question the aid to Israel of 128 billion US dollars yet only 24 billion for Ukraine. How much of the 128 billion US aid is going into building new settlements on Palestinian land?

    Like the Greek woman tragedy, finding her son killed by the servant and her money stolen, breaks her heart and no hope of a future. The Palestinians have been occupied and living in squalor for 56 years under the Israel oppression.

    Time to try something new--- have the 4.8 million Palestinians vote in the next Israel prime minister election, and their votes counted by the UN or EU and applied to who becomes the next prime minister of Israel, and have this in every election until
    and unless a Two State Solution is finally worked out.

    At the rate we are going now on this conflict, the Israelis will kill or deport all Palestinians and steal all their land by a decade from now.

    Hamas and violence is no answer. Please return all hostages. But do add a conditional clause-- have Palestinians vote in the next Israeli prime minister election. Hamas solves nothing, but only intensifies more bloodshed and the removal or killing of all
    Palestinians.

    The Solution--- vote your way to freedom and a Two State Solution.

    AP

    Early morning of 13Oct2023, I wrote this in sci.physics,sci.math,plutonium-atom-universe newsgroups.

    Netanyahu and his war cabinet-- totally unhinged. They want 1.1 million in the Gaza strip to move south.

    --- quoting BBC ---
    Where is Wadi Gaza?
    As we've reported, the Israeli military has told the UN that everyone living north of Wadi Gaza should relocate in the next 24 hours - the UN says this amounts to about 1.1 million people.

    The Wadi Gaza is a river valley located around the centre of the Gaza Strip, snaking across its entire width and ending in the Mediterranean Sea. It is known for its coastal wetlands and biodiversity.

    This close-up of a UN map, where Wadi Gaza is represented by a brown dotted line at the bottom, shows that the area affected by Israel's evacuation order includes Gaza City, the enclave's largest city.

    --- end quoting BBC ---

    AP says, in the past 2 decades Israel has not chosen the path to peace and a two state solution. Israel just went the same old same old-- Occupation of the Palestinians, more horrible living conditions for 4.8 million Palestinians and the stealing of
    more Palestinian land for new settlements.

    Why is not America ashamed of itself for aiding
  • From Archimedes Plutonium@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 14 13:06:26 2023
    Dr.Feynman of Lectures on Physics fame said that the Israel-Palestine Conflict was a fight for land. In other words, who steals the land from whom. And AP says that anyone who cannot see that Israel has been the bully bully bully ever since 1948 with
    especially their illegal settlement building in West Bank, Gaza, and Jerusalem, does not belong in science. If anyone in science cannot tell a bully apart from a victim has no objective mind to be in science.

    The cause of 9/11 that killed almost 3,000 Americans, the prime root cause was Ariel Sharon illegal settlement building on Occupied West Bank, Occupied Gaza, Occupied Jerusalem. Ever since 1948, Israel has elected Warrior King David's as Prime Minister
    with the mission of throwing out all Palestinians stealing their land to restore Ancient Israel of King David. The secondary cause of 9/11 was Osama bin Laden and his gang of hijackers-- so fed up with Israel genocide of Palestinians and stealing their
    lands.

    America has been a mindless duped suckered fool from 1948 to present, for American eyes have been wool pulled over on those eyes, that America can never see the light of day in all of these bitter fights 9/11 and now 7 Oct 2023. And unless America opens
    its eyes and stops the bully Israel, forces the bully into a two state solution. I am afraid America will have something far far worse than a 9/11 at American doorsteps.

    America, open your eyes, for God-sakes-- Israel is the 60 year bully with its assinine mission of restoring King David's Ancient Israel at the expense of a genocide and occupation of Palestinians. Palestine is the victim, and Israel is the bully.

    Russia is fast steal of Ukraine with genocide, but Israel is slow steal of Palestine with genocide of Palestinians.


    No wonder Dr. Feynman was ashamed of Israel and never wanted to be listed as a "Jew" but wanted to be listed as "athiest". No scientist is a scientist with a subjective mind. Every scientist needs a objective mind. And no scientist would say that
    Palestine is a bully, for Israel has been a 60 year magna bully.

    America, for once, needs to solve this Israel Palestine Conflict, for this tiny country Israel can easily Spark a Atomic War given all the nasty hatred of land stealing that Israel does. 9/11 yesterday and easily Israel sparks WW3 atomic bomb war.


    Archimedes Plutonium
    Oct 31, 2023, 4:09:04 PM
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    America says it is for a Two State Solution, yet in all its actions, it is against a two state solution Proof:: massive Israeli settlement building on Palestinian land.

    Why is America being Two Faced on a problem that could end up turning into a atomic war. The Oct7, 2023 Hamas terror attack was atrocious, but all caused by a 60 year occupation of Gaza strip and West Bank. The more and more Israel enslaves the
    Palestinians or pushes them into Jordan or Egypt, all for the purpose of Israel regaining Ancient lands of Israel, could well spark a Atomic World wide war.

    America needs to stop being a hypocrite politico-- force Israel into a Two State Solution and stop this genocide of Palestinians. Force Israel, not give them 15 billion dollars in new aid to shove the Palestinians into Jordan or Egypt.

    America seems not to have learned the lessons of Indians moved on reservations or enslavement of Black America, for America is back at it with Israel bullying Palestinians.


    Archimedes Plutonium
    Nov 4, 2023, 2:00:42 AM
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    The prophets Amos and Zephaniah are believed to have prophesied that Gaza would be deserted. According to biblical accounts, Gaza fell to Israelite rule, from the reign of King David in the early 11th century BCE. When the United Monarchy split in about
    930 BCE, Gaza became a part of the northern Kingdom of Israel. (source Wikipedia)


    So yes, modern day Israel has the ambitions of becoming Ancient Israel, no matter what the costs are.

    And the blueprint of gaining Gaza will be used for the West Bank.

    Build and build illegal settlements throughout West Bank. At the sign of any violence, Israel goes in and bulldozes Palestinians into Jordan.

    Will the Israel appetite for stealing land be quenched by then??

    We have to look at the full reach of Ancient Israel land, and of course Israel will need the suckered in fool America to fulfill that dastardly deed.

    But AP predicts that the Arab nations around the world starting from Indonesia and moving westward will rise up against the USA for stealing Palestinian Two State Solution and genocide of its people. I predict the Arab world in fury will set off a Atomic
    bomb on New York City.

    On the other hand-- Voting stops the mass carnage, the mass bloodshed. Voting gets rid of history seeking warriors like King David Netanyahu the second. Because if the 5 million Palestinians vote alongside the 10 million Israelis for the next Prime
    Minister of Israel, chances are they end the succession of Crazed Warriors seeking Ancient Israel. And that the Two State Solution can move forward with Israelis living side by side with Palestinians in peace. And it may well turn out that the
    Palestinians do not want to be separated from their Israeli compatriots and remain with Israel as a one state, being happy to just elect the Prime Minister who looks after and cares for both Israelis as well as Palestinians.

    It is nigh ultimate stupidity to have Israel chasing after a dream-scape of acquiring Ancient Israel with the suckered idiotic USA facilitating that move. America has been an uneven handed broker. Never telling Israel--stop your illegal settlement
    building. Why America wants to give Israel 14 billion dollars in aid, when it is Palestinian Gaza that is in ruins and 10 times more deaths than Israelis.

    The recently announce 14 billion in aid to Israel more likely needs to go to aiding Palestinians.

    And before the USA ever gives another penny to Israel in aid, have the Israel government swear on the Bible they will dismantle all illegal settlements to the 1967 Two State Solution borders.

    Many Americans are tired of hearing from secretary of state and president on illegal settlement building-- tired of hearing "Oh, that is not helpful for a two state solution". What Americans need to hear-- Israel dismantling all illegal settlements and
    go back into Proper Israel of the 1967 borders.

    America needs to wake up, for it is a co conspirator in stealing land and genocide of Palestinians. And at the rate of destruction and mass killing, it is not far down the road where the Arab world more than likely sets off a Atomic bomb in New York City
    in retaliation.

    America needs to take off its blinders. Israel is the bully and Palestinians are fighting for their land and lives. While Israel is in a mindless dream of regaining old King David's Ancient Israel.


    Archimedes Plutonium
    Nov 4, 2023, 5:51:01 PM
    to Plutonium Atom Universe
    Secretary Blinken:: I was wrong, illegal settlement building is helpful, very very helpful, ....for we now will have King David's 1/2 of Gaza strip. Cheers King David Netanyahu, skoal, as the two sip champagne.

    King David Netanyahu:: Now we use the same game plan on West Bank, we build illegal settlements right up to Jenin, Nablus, Hebron and the moment any violence breaks out, we bomb them to pieces and bulldoze the city and with your American aid of 14
    billion dollars, build new Israeli cities. Come over when we do that Anthony.

    Secretary Blinken:: What if no violence breaks out?

    King David Netanyahu:: Well we do what we did near Gaza, we have a lapse in the army patrol at the border and call Hamas-- your free to go and tear up the place on 7 October.

    Secretary Blinken:: Love to come over when you added Jenin and Nablus as being all Israeli, although where do the Palestinians go?

    King David Netanyahu:: We push them into Jordan, laughing laughing and laughing.

    Little Angel in the Room:: America will be sorry for being the world's hypocrite and sucker, for the Arab world will not tolerate a genocide of Palestinians and their lands stolen all because of the idiotic dream of making modern Israel be the same as
    Ancient Israel, but when you have a suckered fool America paying the way for all of this, the Warrior King David Netanyahu aided by a suckered America. The Arab world, even Europe can see a retaliation the likes America never saw. America should be
    aiding the suffering Palestinians from the bully Israel who never wants a Two State Solution, and only wants to steal all the land of Palestinians. Land stealing Israel.... The Arab world comprises 1/3 of Earth in population and land, and not for one
    minute will they stomach such a steal and genocide. For God's sake-- wake up America. Dish out what you promised--- Two State Solution. Have the Israelis dismantle all illegal settlements before a penny of the 14 billion in aid is given.

    Secretary Blinken and President Biden:: You have a right to defend yourself Israel and steal all the land that was King David of Israel in Ancient times. King David Netanyahu, how will you steal Jerusalem from the Arabs???

    King David Netanyahu:: We save that last, for we encircle Jerusalem and then fence it off and have the army surrounding it. Letting no food water and fuel in until they all flee to Egypt or Jordan. Laughing, laughing and more laughing...



    Archimedes Plutonium
    Nov 7, 2023, 4:06:05 PM
    to Plutonium Atom Universe
    Benjamin Netanyahu resigns and the Election of a new Prime Minister has the voting public of Palestinians all 5 million voting alongside the 10 million Israelis for the new Prime Minister of Israel. The UN overseeing that the Palestinian ballots are fair
    and counted fairly. Allowing Palestinians to Vote for the Israel Prime Minister is only Fair fair and fair for the Israelis occupy the land of Palestinians and steal much of it in Illegal Settlement building aided and payed for by USA Isreal aid in the
    billions of dollars.

    The way out of this nightmare so that Palestine and Israel can live side by side in a Two State Solution, is to elect a Prime Minister via voting by both the 5 million Palestinians and the 10 million Israelis. Vote your way to a peace.

    New Prime Minister of Israel, Vote for ___one___

    Mansour Abbas -- Ra'am


    Zehava Gal-On -- Meretz


    Ayman Odeh -- Hadash-Ta'al


    Voting solves the Israel-Palestinian Conflict. As long as Israel keeps putting land-stealing PMs the warrior King David type of prime minister into office-- Ariel Sharon, Benjamin Netanyahu, there will always be War in the Middle East, endless war and
    bloodshed and hatred, because those prime ministers were all about removing every Arab in Palestine land-- shove them into Egypt or Jordan, steal their West Bank, Jerusalem, and Gaza strip, because their only goal and plan was to make Modern Israel be
    the same as Ancient Israel.

    The Palestinians have to Vote their way into Peace and a Two State Solution, but that cannot happen so long as you have nothing but land stealing Israel prime ministers, like Netanyahu.


    Solving the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict, the fastest-easiest way possible-- VOTING// political science
    by Archimedes Plutonium


    Preface: In 2019, there was word filtering down in the news that President Trump had a plan for Israel and Palestinians that would in my opinion make the Palestinians suffer even more of their 56 year occupation by Israel, their squalid living conditions
    and little hope of a free future. So I set myself to the task of figuring out the very finest and easiest solution to this nightmare of a problem for 4.8 million Palestinians opposed by 9.7 million Israelis that were occupying and oppressing them. The
    solution I came up with had to be such that it mobilized the Israelis along with the Palestinians in a tandem tied together solution. The solution I came up with was the simple act of Voting, especially voting for a prime minister in Israel. A solution
    that would end the bloodshed and ongoing violence. Sadly no-one took my recommendations in 2019, but now in October of 2023 with a huge attack upon Israelis by Hamas in Gaza strip, with hostages, and the threat of massive killing of Palestinians, here I
    am again proposing my solution.

    Israelis are used to voting, not so the Arabs or Palestinians are __not used to voting__. But voting is what lifted Black Americans and lifted Native American Indians. And I am sure that voting will lift the Palestinians. For nothing is much worse than
    the present state of Palestinian peoples, living in poverty, squalor, little hope of a future.

    Cover Picture: Is my photograph of a Google search on flags of Palestinians and Israel.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Archimedes Plutonium@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 14 17:07:32 2023
    Dr.Feynman of Lectures on Physics fame said that the Israel-Palestine Conflict was a fight for land. In other words, who steals the land from whom. And AP says that anyone who cannot see that Israel has been the bully bully bully ever since 1948 with
    especially their illegal settlement building in West Bank, Gaza, and Jerusalem, does not belong in science. If anyone in science cannot tell a bully apart from a victim has no objective mind to be in science.

    The cause of 9/11 that killed almost 3,000 Americans, the prime root cause was Ariel Sharon illegal settlement building on Occupied West Bank, Occupied Gaza, Occupied Jerusalem. Ever since 1948, Israel has elected Warrior King David's as Prime Minister
    with the mission of throwing out all Palestinians stealing their land to restore Ancient Israel of King David. The secondary cause of 9/11 was Osama bin Laden and his gang of hijackers-- so fed up with Israel genocide of Palestinians and stealing their
    lands.

    America has been a mindless duped suckered fool from 1948 to present, for American eyes have been wool pulled over on those eyes, that America can never see the light of day in all of these bitter fights 9/11 and now 7 Oct 2023. And unless America opens
    its eyes and stops the bully Israel, forces the bully into a two state solution. I am afraid America will have something far far worse than a 9/11 at American doorsteps.

    America, open your eyes, for God-sakes-- Israel is the 60 year bully with its assinine mission of restoring King David's Ancient Israel at the expense of a genocide and occupation of Palestinians. Palestine is the victim, and Israel is the bully.

    Russia is fast steal of Ukraine with genocide, but Israel is slow steal of Palestine with genocide of Palestinians.


    No wonder Dr. Feynman was ashamed of Israel and never wanted to be listed as a "Jew" but wanted to be listed as "athiest". No scientist is a scientist with a subjective mind. Every scientist needs a objective mind. And no scientist would say that
    Palestine is a bully, for Israel has been a 60 year magna bully.

    America, for once, needs to solve this Israel Palestine Conflict, for this tiny country Israel can easily Spark a Atomic War given all the nasty hatred of land stealing that Israel does. 9/11 yesterday and easily Israel sparks WW3 atomic bomb war.


    Archimedes Plutonium
    Oct 31, 2023, 4:09:04 PM
    to Plutonium Atom Universe
    America says it is for a Two State Solution, yet in all its actions, it is against a two state solution Proof:: massive Israeli settlement building on Palestinian land.

    Why is America being Two Faced on a problem that could end up turning into a atomic war. The Oct7, 2023 Hamas terror attack was atrocious, but all caused by a 60 year occupation of Gaza strip and West Bank. The more and more Israel enslaves the
    Palestinians or pushes them into Jordan or Egypt, all for the purpose of Israel regaining Ancient lands of Israel, could well spark a Atomic World wide war.

    America needs to stop being a hypocrite politico-- force Israel into a Two State Solution and stop this genocide of Palestinians. Force Israel, not give them 15 billion dollars in new aid to shove the Palestinians into Jordan or Egypt.

    America seems not to have learned the lessons of Indians moved on reservations or enslavement of Black America, for America is back at it with Israel bullying Palestinians.


    Archimedes Plutonium
    Nov 4, 2023, 2:00:42 AM
    to Plutonium Atom Universe
    The prophets Amos and Zephaniah are believed to have prophesied that Gaza would be deserted. According to biblical accounts, Gaza fell to Israelite rule, from the reign of King David in the early 11th century BCE. When the United Monarchy split in about
    930 BCE, Gaza became a part of the northern Kingdom of Israel. (source Wikipedia)


    So yes, modern day Israel has the ambitions of becoming Ancient Israel, no matter what the costs are.

    And the blueprint of gaining Gaza will be used for the West Bank.

    Build and build illegal settlements throughout West Bank. At the sign of any violence, Israel goes in and bulldozes Palestinians into Jordan.

    Will the Israel appetite for stealing land be quenched by then??

    We have to look at the full reach of Ancient Israel land, and of course Israel will need the suckered in fool America to fulfill that dastardly deed.

    But AP predicts that the Arab nations around the world starting from Indonesia and moving westward will rise up against the USA for stealing Palestinian Two State Solution and genocide of its people. I predict the Arab world in fury will set off a Atomic
    bomb on New York City.

    On the other hand-- Voting stops the mass carnage, the mass bloodshed. Voting gets rid of history seeking warriors like King David Netanyahu the second. Because if the 5 million Palestinians vote alongside the 10 million Israelis for the next Prime
    Minister of Israel, chances are they end the succession of Crazed Warriors seeking Ancient Israel. And that the Two State Solution can move forward with Israelis living side by side with Palestinians in peace. And it may well turn out that the
    Palestinians do not want to be separated from their Israeli compatriots and remain with Israel as a one state, being happy to just elect the Prime Minister who looks after and cares for both Israelis as well as Palestinians.

    It is nigh ultimate stupidity to have Israel chasing after a dream-scape of acquiring Ancient Israel with the suckered idiotic USA facilitating that move. America has been an uneven handed broker. Never telling Israel--stop your illegal settlement
    building. Why America wants to give Israel 14 billion dollars in aid, when it is Palestinian Gaza that is in ruins and 10 times more deaths than Israelis.

    The recently announce 14 billion in aid to Israel more likely needs to go to aiding Palestinians.

    And before the USA ever gives another penny to Israel in aid, have the Israel government swear on the Bible they will dismantle all illegal settlements to the 1967 Two State Solution borders.

    Many Americans are tired of hearing from secretary of state and president on illegal settlement building-- tired of hearing "Oh, that is not helpful for a two state solution". What Americans need to hear-- Israel dismantling all illegal settlements and
    go back into Proper Israel of the 1967 borders.

    America needs to wake up, for it is a co conspirator in stealing land and genocide of Palestinians. And at the rate of destruction and mass killing, it is not far down the road where the Arab world more than likely sets off a Atomic bomb in New York City
    in retaliation.

    America needs to take off its blinders. Israel is the bully and Palestinians are fighting for their land and lives. While Israel is in a mindless dream of regaining old King David's Ancient Israel.


    Archimedes Plutonium
    Nov 4, 2023, 5:51:01 PM
    to Plutonium Atom Universe
    Secretary Blinken:: I was wrong, illegal settlement building is helpful, very very helpful, ....for we now will have King David's 1/2 of Gaza strip. Cheers King David Netanyahu, skoal, as the two sip champagne.

    King David Netanyahu:: Now we use the same game plan on West Bank, we build illegal settlements right up to Jenin, Nablus, Hebron and the moment any violence breaks out, we bomb them to pieces and bulldoze the city and with your American aid of 14
    billion dollars, build new Israeli cities. Come over when we do that Anthony.

    Secretary Blinken:: What if no violence breaks out?

    King David Netanyahu:: Well we do what we did near Gaza, we have a lapse in the army patrol at the border and call Hamas-- your free to go and tear up the place on 7 October.

    Secretary Blinken:: Love to come over when you added Jenin and Nablus as being all Israeli, although where do the Palestinians go?

    King David Netanyahu:: We push them into Jordan, laughing laughing and laughing.

    Little Angel in the Room:: America will be sorry for being the world's hypocrite and sucker, for the Arab world will not tolerate a genocide of Palestinians and their lands stolen all because of the idiotic dream of making modern Israel be the same as
    Ancient Israel, but when you have a suckered fool America paying the way for all of this, the Warrior King David Netanyahu aided by a suckered America. The Arab world, even Europe can see a retaliation the likes America never saw. America should be
    aiding the suffering Palestinians from the bully Israel who never wants a Two State Solution, and only wants to steal all the land of Palestinians. Land stealing Israel.... The Arab world comprises 1/3 of Earth in population and land, and not for one
    minute will they stomach such a steal and genocide. For God's sake-- wake up America. Dish out what you promised--- Two State Solution. Have the Israelis dismantle all illegal settlements before a penny of the 14 billion in aid is given.

    Secretary Blinken and President Biden:: You have a right to defend yourself Israel and steal all the land that was King David of Israel in Ancient times. King David Netanyahu, how will you steal Jerusalem from the Arabs???

    King David Netanyahu:: We save that last, for we encircle Jerusalem and then fence it off and have the army surrounding it. Letting no food water and fuel in until they all flee to Egypt or Jordan. Laughing, laughing and more laughing...



    Archimedes Plutonium
    Nov 7, 2023, 4:06:05 PM
    to Plutonium Atom Universe
    Benjamin Netanyahu resigns and the Election of a new Prime Minister has the voting public of Palestinians all 5 million voting alongside the 10 million Israelis for the new Prime Minister of Israel. The UN overseeing that the Palestinian ballots are fair
    and counted fairly. Allowing Palestinians to Vote for the Israel Prime Minister is only Fair fair and fair for the Israelis occupy the land of Palestinians and steal much of it in Illegal Settlement building aided and payed for by USA Isreal aid in the
    billions of dollars.

    The way out of this nightmare so that Palestine and Israel can live side by side in a Two State Solution, is to elect a Prime Minister via voting by both the 5 million Palestinians and the 10 million Israelis. Vote your way to a peace.

    New Prime Minister of Israel, Vote for ___one___

    Mansour Abbas -- Ra'am


    Zehava Gal-On -- Meretz


    Ayman Odeh -- Hadash-Ta'al


    Voting solves the Israel-Palestinian Conflict. As long as Israel keeps putting land-stealing PMs the warrior King David type of prime minister into office-- Ariel Sharon, Benjamin Netanyahu, there will always be War in the Middle East, endless war and
    bloodshed and hatred, because those prime ministers were all about removing every Arab in Palestine land-- shove them into Egypt or Jordan, steal their West Bank, Jerusalem, and Gaza strip, because their only goal and plan was to make Modern Israel be
    the same as Ancient Israel.

    The Palestinians have to Vote their way into Peace and a Two State Solution, but that cannot happen so long as you have nothing but land stealing Israel prime ministers, like Netanyahu.


    Solving the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict, the fastest-easiest way possible-- VOTING// political science

    by Archimedes Plutonium


    Preface: In 2019, there was word filtering down in the news that President Trump had a plan for Israel and Palestinians that would in my opinion make the Palestinians suffer even more of their 56 year occupation by Israel, their squalid living conditions
    and little hope of a free future. So I set myself to the task of figuring out the very finest and easiest solution to this nightmare of a problem for 4.8 million Palestinians opposed by 9.7 million Israelis that were occupying and oppressing them. The
    solution I came up with had to be such that it mobilized the Israelis along with the Palestinians in a tandem tied together solution. The solution I came up with was the simple act of Voting, especially voting for a prime minister in Israel. A solution
    that would end the bloodshed and ongoing violence. Sadly no-one took my recommendations in 2019, but now in October of 2023 with a huge attack upon Israelis by Hamas in Gaza strip, with hostages, and the threat of massive killing of Palestinians, here I
    am again proposing my solution.

    Israelis are used to voting, not so the Arabs or Palestinians are __not used to voting__. But voting is what lifted Black Americans and lifted Native American Indians. And I am sure that voting will lift the Palestinians. For nothing is much worse than
    the present state of Palestinian peoples, living in poverty, squalor, little hope of a future.

    Cover Picture: Is my photograph of a Google search on flags of Palestinians and Israel.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Archimedes Plutonium@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Wed Nov 15 23:36:51 2023
    Ayman Odeh -- Hadash-Ta'al, Mansour Abbas -- Ra'am, Zehava Gal-On -- Meretz

    James Kibo Parry, are the voting booths in Israel open as I write this???

    Vote for one only as new Prime Minister of Israel as Netanyahu is booted out of office as a bully warrior King David with only one thing on his mind-- steal away all Palestinian land and push Palestinians into Jordan and Egypt, by any means possible.


    America needs to take off its blinders. Israel is the bully and Palestinians are fighting for their land and lives. While Israel is in a mindless dream of regaining old King David's Ancient Israel.


    Kibo Parry Moron-Volney blowing his cover with the CIA in 1997
    Re: Archimedes Vanadium, America's most beloved poster
    On Sunday, June 8, 1997 at 2:00:00 AM UTC-5, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    In article <5nefan$i06$9...@news.thecia.net> kibo greps <ki...@shell.thecia.net> writes:



    Re: 2-Looking for a concordance of Dr. Richard Feynmann talking about AP-- on suffering of fools
    by Volney 3:57 PM, 17Oct2023

    Archimedes Plutonium
    Nov 4, 2023, 5:51:01 PM
    to Plutonium Atom Universe
    Secretary Blinken:: I was wrong, illegal settlement building is helpful, very very helpful, ....for we now will have King David's 1/2 of Gaza strip. Cheers King David Netanyahu, skoal, as the two sip champagne.

    King David Netanyahu:: Now we use the same game plan on West Bank, we build illegal settlements right up to Jenin, Nablus, Hebron and the moment any violence breaks out, we bomb them to pieces and bulldoze the city and with your American aid of 14
    billion dollars, build new Israeli cities. Come over when we do that Anthony.

    Secretary Blinken:: What if no violence breaks out?

    King David Netanyahu:: Well we do what we did near Gaza, we have a lapse in the army patrol at the border and call Hamas-- your free to go and tear up the place on 7 October.

    Secretary Blinken:: Love to come over when you added Jenin and Nablus as being all Israeli, although where do the Palestinians go?

    King David Netanyahu:: We push them into Jordan, laughing laughing and laughing.

    Little Angel in the Room:: America will be sorry for being the world's hypocrite and sucker, for the Arab world will not tolerate a genocide of Palestinians and their lands stolen all because of the idiotic dream of making modern Israel be the same as
    Ancient Israel, but when you have a suckered fool America paying the way for all of this, the Warrior King David Netanyahu aided by a suckered America. The Arab world, even Europe can see a retaliation the likes America never saw. America should be
    aiding the suffering Palestinians from the bully Israel who never wants a Two State Solution, and only wants to steal all the land of Palestinians. Land stealing Israel.... The Arab world comprises 1/3 of Earth in population and land, and not for one
    minute will they stomach such a steal and genocide. For God's sake-- wake up America. Dish out what you promised--- Two State Solution. Have the Israelis dismantle all illegal settlements before a penny of the 14 billion in aid is given.

    Secretary Blinken and President Biden:: You have a right to defend yourself Israel and steal all the land that was King David of Israel in Ancient times. King David Netanyahu, how will you steal Jerusalem from the Arabs???

    King David Netanyahu:: We save that last, for we encircle Jerusalem and then fence it off and have the army surrounding it. Letting no food water and fuel in until they all flee to Egypt or Jordan. Laughing, laughing and more laughing...



    Archimedes Plutonium
    Nov 7, 2023, 4:06:05 PM
    to Plutonium Atom Universe
    Benjamin Netanyahu resigns and the Election of a new Prime Minister has the voting public of Palestinians all 5 million voting alongside the 10 million Israelis for the new Prime Minister of Israel. The UN overseeing that the Palestinian ballots are fair
    and counted fairly. Allowing Palestinians to Vote for the Israel Prime Minister is only Fair fair and fair for the Israelis occupy the land of Palestinians and steal much of it in Illegal Settlement building aided and payed for by USA Isreal aid in the
    billions of dollars.

    The way out of this nightmare so that Palestine and Israel can live side by side in a Two State Solution, is to elect a Prime Minister via voting by both the 5 million Palestinians and the 10 million Israelis. Vote your way to a peace.

    New Prime Minister of Israel, Vote for ___one___

    Mansour Abbas -- Ra'am


    Zehava Gal-On -- Meretz


    Ayman Odeh -- Hadash-Ta'al


    Voting solves the Israel-Palestinian Conflict. As long as Israel keeps putting land-stealing PMs the warrior King David type of prime minister into office-- Ariel Sharon, Benjamin Netanyahu, there will always be War in the Middle East, endless war and
    bloodshed and hatred, because those prime ministers were all about removing every Arab in Palestine land-- shove them into Egypt or Jordan, steal their West Bank, Jerusalem, and Gaza strip, because their only goal and plan was to make Modern Israel be
    the same as Ancient Israel.

    The Palestinians have to Vote their way into Peace and a Two State Solution, but that cannot happen so long as you have nothing but land stealing Israel prime ministers, like Netanyahu.


    Archimedes Plutonium
    Nov 8, 2023, 12:52:17 AM
    to Plutonium Atom Universe
    Tie, any and all aid to Israel with the dismantling of illegal settlements. No dismantling then 0 aid.

    Next, tie any and all occupation of Palestinians with giving them the right to vote for who becomes the next Prime Minister of Israel. This gives Israelis the motivation and incentive for a Two State Solution.

    Without the above, Israel just goes on stealing land, and makes USA and Europe look like silly stupid duped suckers.

    The current Israel will not stop its land stealing and Palestinian genocide or pushed into Jordan or Egypt until Modern Israel is the same land as Ancient Israel, and this is what the hypocrites of USA and Europe want to overlook.

    This mindless, endless conflict has gone on for 60 years now. With no end in sight, only ratcheting up worse and worse. Humanity is sick and tired of two small countries that cannot get their act together, and causes world wide fissures and cracks.

    America can go to the Moon and back but is too stupid hypocritical to end a mindless conflict.

    America can build the computer and the age of the Internet but too stupid and hypocritical in ending a mindless conflict.

    America can go to Mars and explore the universe in new telescopes, but too stupid and hypocritical in ending a mindless conflict that has gone on for 60 years.

    In 2023 it was a attack from Gaza city. If America does not end this mindless conflict, now, right now, then what is to come 2 years later?? A missile attack upon the USA by the Arab nations disgusted with the hypocrite USA that aids, panders and steals
    Palestine and genocide its people?

    Maybe America is wanting to relive the days it enslaved and occupied the Native American Indians and sent them to reservations, or enslavement of black slaves from Africa. Israel on Palestine is not much different, and here we have a duped, a suckered
    America reliving those past sins. Remarkable, it is Voting that lifts Native American Indians and lifts Black Americans. Why America even had its first Black President not too long ago. And Israel if it cannot stop its occupation should have its first
    Palestinian Prime Minister of Israel not too far in the future.

    Every time the Israeli government opens its mouth to fob off a reason of bombing Gaza-- there is only one reason Israel behaves the way it does-- they want modern Israel to be the same land as Ancient Israel and if Palestinians are on that land-- shove
    them into Egypt or Jordan or genocide.

    Perhaps Netanyahu in Oct 1 called up Hamas and told them -- Oct 7 is a good day to attack. All because Netanyahu can then say in his bio, he recaptured Gaza City of old King David of Ancient Israel, while the suckered and duped America came in with more
    aid, 14 billion dollars worth to build a new Israeli Gaza City, with bed and breakfast, motels and tourist stores, capped off with a swim in the Sea.

    2023 was an attack outside Gaza City, and at this rate, the Arab world will likely attack New York City by 2025.

    Our duped, suckered and feeble minded politicians here in America need to unscrew their brains, and find a new brain to fit their socket, for we need a resolution of this Conflict-- now and forever more.

    Archimedes Plutonium
    Nov 9, 2023, 12:36:56 PM
    to Plutonium Atom Universe
    I need to put "fastest" in the title.

    Solving the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict, the fastest-easiest way possible-- VOTING// political science by Archimedes Plutonium Preface: In 2019, there was word filtering down in the news that President Trump had a plan for Israel and Palestinians

    When will America wake up??
    When??

    For Israel cherishes land more than life. Israel, ever since 1967 has been on a solitary mission-- make modern Israel be the same land as Ancient Israel, and if Palestinians are on that land-- slowly but forcefully either kill them or push them into
    Egypt or Jordan. And America has been Israel's accomplice in this horrible expulsion.
    The reason we had 9/11 in 2001 where Arabs hijacked planes and flew them into towers in New York City is for revenge on Ariel Sharon illegal settlement building on West Bank and Gaza. Israel does not care about human life if that human life stands in the
    way of getting all the land that was Ancient Israel.

    America paid a horrible price in this complicity-- all the lives lost in 9/11. But now, we have nearly 11,000 Palestinians killed for the Hamas attack of 7 Oct. And the question for Americans is how many Americans will be killed because Israel's program
    of stealing Palestinian land and shoving the remaining Palestinians into Egypt and Jordan, for make no mistake--- every action done by Israel is to gain back the land that was Ancient Israel and if a Palestinian or American is on that land-- kill him or
    her for the land is number 1 to Israel.

    No wonder the late and famous Dr. Richard Feynman who wrote Lectures in Physics, one of my heroes, no wonder he was ashamed of being listed as "Jew" and rather be listed as "athiest". No wonder he was ashamed for he realized Israel cherishes Land before
    it cherishes Life.

    And now, we are faced, us Americans, are faced with a 1/3 of the world is Muslim stretching from Indonesia to Middle East. A huge broad swathe of the geopolitical world. And so we had 9/11 for US being accomplice to Israel land stealing and never a Two
    State Solution. What will the Arab world do that is harmful to the US for being this land stealing accomplice? Will the Arab world buy a North Korean missile atomic bomb tipped and flatten New York City instead of tumbling down its skyscrapers?

    Will Americans all Americans traveling to or near an Arab country have to fear being taken hostage or killed on the spot, as the Arab revenge for stealing Gaza strip. All because America is far far too stupid to see they are accomplices to Israel land
    stealing and genocide of Palestinians. When will America wake up if they ever do wake up??

    America--- wake up
    Oh say can you see
    By the illegal settlements
    What so proudly we steal land

    And the rockets red blare
    Bombs bomb bursting in air
    Gave truth through the night
    That we killed to steal land

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Archimedes Plutonium@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Thu Nov 16 12:59:39 2023
    Mansour Abbas -- Ra'am, Zehava Gal-On -- Meretz,Ayman Odeh -- Hadash-Ta'al

    James Kibo Parry, are the voting booths in Israel open as I write this???

    Vote for one only as new Prime Minister of Israel as Netanyahu is booted out of office as a bully warrior King David with only one thing on his mind-- steal away all Palestinian land and push Palestinians into Jordan and Egypt, by any means possible.

    Kibo Parry Volney,CIA with Jan Burse ETH filling sci.math with spam under the disguise of Link Masuk Spam mill. And/or, their duty as ISP to filter out spam--instead they let it fill up sci.math.

    Kibo Parry Moron-Volney blowing his cover with the CIA in 1997
    Re: Archimedes Vanadium, America's most beloved poster
    On Sunday, June 8, 1997 at 2:00:00 AM UTC-5, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    In article <5nefan$i06$9...@news.thecia.net> kibo greps <ki...@shell.thecia.net> writes:


    Re: 2 CIA ruins sci.math
    by Chris M. Thomasson Dec 15, 2021, 7:47:37 PM


    America needs to take off its blinders. Israel is the bully and Palestinians are fighting for their land and lives. While Israel is in a mindless dream of regaining old King David's Ancient Israel.


    Kibo Parry Moron-Volney blowing his cover with the CIA in 1997
    Re: Archimedes Vanadium, America's most beloved poster
    On Sunday, June 8, 1997 at 2:00:00 AM UTC-5, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    In article <5nefan$i06$9...@news.thecia.net> kibo greps <ki...@shell.thecia.net> writes:



    Re: 2-Looking for a concordance of Dr. Richard Feynmann talking about AP-- on suffering of fools
    by Volney 3:57 PM, 17Oct2023

    Archimedes Plutonium
    Nov 4, 2023, 5:51:01 PM
    to Plutonium Atom Universe
    Secretary Blinken:: I was wrong, illegal settlement building is helpful, very very helpful, ....for we now will have King David's 1/2 of Gaza strip. Cheers King David Netanyahu, skoal, as the two sip champagne.

    King David Netanyahu:: Now we use the same game plan on West Bank, we build illegal settlements right up to Jenin, Nablus, Hebron and the moment any violence breaks out, we bomb them to pieces and bulldoze the city and with your American aid of 14
    billion dollars, build new Israeli cities. Come over when we do that Anthony.

    Secretary Blinken:: What if no violence breaks out?

    King David Netanyahu:: Well we do what we did near Gaza, we have a lapse in the army patrol at the border and call Hamas-- your free to go and tear up the place on 7 October.

    Secretary Blinken:: Love to come over when you added Jenin and Nablus as being all Israeli, although where do the Palestinians go?

    King David Netanyahu:: We push them into Jordan, laughing laughing and laughing.

    Little Angel in the Room:: America will be sorry for being the world's hypocrite and sucker, for the Arab world will not tolerate a genocide of Palestinians and their lands stolen all because of the idiotic dream of making modern Israel be the same as
    Ancient Israel, but when you have a suckered fool America paying the way for all of this, the Warrior King David Netanyahu aided by a suckered America. The Arab world, even Europe can see a retaliation the likes America never saw. America should be
    aiding the suffering Palestinians from the bully Israel who never wants a Two State Solution, and only wants to steal all the land of Palestinians. Land stealing Israel.... The Arab world comprises 1/3 of Earth in population and land, and not for one
    minute will they stomach such a steal and genocide. For God's sake-- wake up America. Dish out what you promised--- Two State Solution. Have the Israelis dismantle all illegal settlements before a penny of the 14 billion in aid is given.

    Secretary Blinken and President Biden:: You have a right to defend yourself Israel and steal all the land that was King David of Israel in Ancient times. King David Netanyahu, how will you steal Jerusalem from the Arabs???

    King David Netanyahu:: We save that last, for we encircle Jerusalem and then fence it off and have the army surrounding it. Letting no food water and fuel in until they all flee to Egypt or Jordan. Laughing, laughing and more laughing...



    Archimedes Plutonium
    Nov 7, 2023, 4:06:05 PM
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    Benjamin Netanyahu resigns and the Election of a new Prime Minister has the voting public of Palestinians all 5 million voting alongside the 10 million Israelis for the new Prime Minister of Israel. The UN overseeing that the Palestinian ballots are fair
    and counted fairly. Allowing Palestinians to Vote for the Israel Prime Minister is only Fair fair and fair for the Israelis occupy the land of Palestinians and steal much of it in Illegal Settlement building aided and payed for by USA Isreal aid in the
    billions of dollars.

    The way out of this nightmare so that Palestine and Israel can live side by side in a Two State Solution, is to elect a Prime Minister via voting by both the 5 million Palestinians and the 10 million Israelis. Vote your way to a peace.

    New Prime Minister of Israel, Vote for ___one___

    Mansour Abbas -- Ra'am


    Zehava Gal-On -- Meretz


    Ayman Odeh -- Hadash-Ta'al


    Voting solves the Israel-Palestinian Conflict. As long as Israel keeps putting land-stealing PMs the warrior King David type of prime minister into office-- Ariel Sharon, Benjamin Netanyahu, there will always be War in the Middle East, endless war and
    bloodshed and hatred, because those prime ministers were all about removing every Arab in Palestine land-- shove them into Egypt or Jordan, steal their West Bank, Jerusalem, and Gaza strip, because their only goal and plan was to make Modern Israel be
    the same as Ancient Israel.

    The Palestinians have to Vote their way into Peace and a Two State Solution, but that cannot happen so long as you have nothing but land stealing Israel prime ministers, like Netanyahu.


    Archimedes Plutonium
    Nov 8, 2023, 12:52:17 AM
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    Tie, any and all aid to Israel with the dismantling of illegal settlements. No dismantling then 0 aid.

    Next, tie any and all occupation of Palestinians with giving them the right to vote for who becomes the next Prime Minister of Israel. This gives Israelis the motivation and incentive for a Two State Solution.

    Without the above, Israel just goes on stealing land, and makes USA and Europe look like silly stupid duped suckers.

    The current Israel will not stop its land stealing and Palestinian genocide or pushed into Jordan or Egypt until Modern Israel is the same land as Ancient Israel, and this is what the hypocrites of USA and Europe want to overlook.

    This mindless, endless conflict has gone on for 60 years now. With no end in sight, only ratcheting up worse and worse. Humanity is sick and tired of two small countries that cannot get their act together, and causes world wide fissures and cracks.

    America can go to the Moon and back but is too stupid hypocritical to end a mindless conflict.

    America can build the computer and the age of the Internet but too stupid and hypocritical in ending a mindless conflict.

    America can go to Mars and explore the universe in new telescopes, but too stupid and hypocritical in ending a mindless conflict that has gone on for 60 years.

    In 2023 it was a attack from Gaza city. If America does not end this mindless conflict, now, right now, then what is to come 2 years later?? A missile attack upon the USA by the Arab nations disgusted with the hypocrite USA that aids, panders and steals
    Palestine and genocide its people?

    Maybe America is wanting to relive the days it enslaved and occupied the Native American Indians and sent them to reservations, or enslavement of black slaves from Africa. Israel on Palestine is not much different, and here we have a duped, a suckered
    America reliving those past sins. Remarkable, it is Voting that lifts Native American Indians and lifts Black Americans. Why America even had its first Black President not too long ago. And Israel if it cannot stop its occupation should have its first
    Palestinian Prime Minister of Israel not too far in the future.

    Every time the Israeli government opens its mouth to fob off a reason of bombing Gaza-- there is only one reason Israel behaves the way it does-- they want modern Israel to be the same land as Ancient Israel and if Palestinians are on that land-- shove
    them into Egypt or Jordan or genocide.

    Perhaps Netanyahu in Oct 1 called up Hamas and told them -- Oct 7 is a good day to attack. All because Netanyahu can then say in his bio, he recaptured Gaza City of old King David of Ancient Israel, while the suckered and duped America came in with more
    aid, 14 billion dollars worth to build a new Israeli Gaza City, with bed and breakfast, motels and tourist stores, capped off with a swim in the Sea.

    2023 was an attack outside Gaza City, and at this rate, the Arab world will likely attack New York City by 2025.

    Our duped, suckered and feeble minded politicians here in America need to unscrew their brains, and find a new brain to fit their socket, for we need a resolution of this Conflict-- now and forever more.

    Archimedes Plutonium
    Nov 9, 2023, 12:36:56 PM
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    I need to put "fastest" in the title.

    Solving the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict, the fastest-easiest way possible-- VOTING// political science by Archimedes Plutonium Preface: In 2019, there was word filtering down in the news that President Trump had a plan for Israel and Palestinians

    When will America wake up??
    When??

    For Israel cherishes land more than life. Israel, ever since 1967 has been on a solitary mission-- make modern Israel be the same land as Ancient Israel, and if Palestinians are on that land-- slowly but forcefully either kill them or push them into
    Egypt or Jordan. And America has been Israel's accomplice in this horrible expulsion.
    The reason we had 9/11 in 2001 where Arabs hijacked planes and flew them into towers in New York City is for revenge on Ariel Sharon illegal settlement building on West Bank and Gaza. Israel does not care about human life if that human life stands in the
    way of getting all the land that was Ancient Israel.

    America paid a horrible price in this complicity-- all the lives lost in 9/11. But now, we have nearly 11,000 Palestinians killed for the Hamas attack of 7 Oct. And the question for Americans is how many Americans will be killed because Israel's program
    of stealing Palestinian land and shoving the remaining Palestinians into Egypt and Jordan, for make no mistake--- every action done by Israel is to gain back the land that was Ancient Israel and if a Palestinian or American is on that land-- kill him or
    her for the land is number 1 to Israel.

    No wonder the late and famous Dr. Richard Feynman who wrote Lectures in Physics, one of my heroes, no wonder he was ashamed of being listed as "Jew" and rather be listed as "athiest". No wonder he was ashamed for he realized Israel cherishes Land before
    it cherishes Life.

    And now, we are faced, us Americans, are faced with a 1/3 of the world is Muslim stretching from Indonesia to Middle East. A huge broad swathe of the geopolitical world. And so we had 9/11 for US being accomplice to Israel land stealing and never a Two
    State Solution. What will the Arab world do that is harmful to the US for being this land stealing accomplice? Will the Arab world buy a North Korean missile atomic bomb tipped and flatten New York City instead of tumbling down its skyscrapers?

    Will Americans all Americans traveling to or near an Arab country have to fear being taken hostage or killed on the spot, as the Arab revenge for stealing Gaza strip. All because America is far far too stupid to see they are accomplices to Israel land
    stealing and genocide of Palestinians. When will America wake up if they ever do wake up??

    America--- wake up
    Oh say can you see
    By the illegal settlements
    What so proudly we steal land

    And the rockets red blare
    Bombs bomb bursting in air
    Gave truth through the night
    That we killed to steal land

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  • From Archimedes Plutonium@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 25 09:41:24 2023
    NATO join in with Ukraine--Reason:: Putin is a war criminal.

    Once Putin was charged as a war criminal is enough reason for NATO army to join in with Ukraine and fight the rogue Russia.

    NATO should expand its rule--- one for all, all for one. To mean that when a country invades another and is declared a war criminal, then that should be reason enough for NATO to be militarily involved.

    Send all the F-16s that NATO now possesses send all of them to defend the Ukraine skies.

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