• Re: Group Theory Axioms with only left identity and inverses

    From Mild Shock@21:1/5 to Dan Christensen on Thu Sep 14 11:26:35 2023
    Come on Dan Christensen. Do you really want to tell me:

    - You CANNOT show that U is redundant in Trichotomy,
    representable by T and F?

    - But you CAN show that left identity is redundant in
    a group, representable by right identity?

    You sure that this is your story? Sounds like a bad joke.

    Dan Christensen schrieb am Mittwoch, 5. Juli 2023 um 21:07:53 UTC+2:
    Most presentations of the axioms of group theory seem to give
    both right and left identities and inverses, which turns out to be
    somewhat redundant. Here, given the axioms for group (g,*) with
    only right identity and inverses, we formally prove that the right
    identity and inverses are also a left identity and inverse respectively.

    https://dcproof.com/GroupLeftRightIdentityInverses.htm (only 123 lines)

    Dan

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  • From bassam karzeddin@21:1/5 to Dan Christensen on Thu Sep 14 11:32:27 2023
    On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 10:07:53 PM UTC+3, Dan Christensen wrote:
    Most presentations of the axioms of group theory seem to give both right and left identities and inverses, which turns out to be somewhat redundant. Here, given the axioms for group (g,*) with only right identity and inverses, we formally prove that
    the right identity and inverses are also a left identity and inverse respectively.

    https://dcproof.com/GroupLeftRightIdentityInverses.htm (only 123 lines)

    Dan

    Download my DC Proof 2.0 freeware at http://www.dcproof.com
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    Why people are attacking you constantly Dan C?

    Doesn't that suggest something to you where you don't think of? No wonder!

    But certainly you are suffering constantly from something in mind 🙃! Sure

    BKK

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  • From Mild Shock@21:1/5 to bassam karzeddin on Thu Sep 14 11:39:46 2023
    Why don't you show a proof BKK, make yourself useful
    once in your life. So far you didn't post anything interesting.

    bassam karzeddin schrieb am Donnerstag, 14. September 2023 um 20:32:33 UTC+2:
    On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 10:07:53 PM UTC+3, Dan Christensen wrote:
    Most presentations of the axioms of group theory seem to give both right and left identities and inverses, which turns out to be somewhat redundant. Here, given the axioms for group (g,*) with only right identity and inverses, we formally prove that
    the right identity and inverses are also a left identity and inverse respectively.

    https://dcproof.com/GroupLeftRightIdentityInverses.htm (only 123 lines)

    Dan

    Download my DC Proof 2.0 freeware at http://www.dcproof.com
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    Why people are attacking you constantly Dan C?

    Doesn't that suggest something to you where you don't think of? No wonder!

    But certainly you are suffering constantly from something in mind 🙃! Sure

    BKK

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  • From bassam karzeddin@21:1/5 to Mild Shock on Thu Sep 14 12:17:47 2023
    On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 9:39:51 PM UTC+3, Mild Shock wrote:
    Why don't you show a proof BKK, make yourself useful
    once in your life. So far you didn't post anything interesting.
    bassam karzeddin schrieb am Donnerstag, 14. September 2023 um 20:32:33 UTC+2:
    On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 10:07:53 PM UTC+3, Dan Christensen wrote:
    Most presentations of the axioms of group theory seem to give both right and left identities and inverses, which turns out to be somewhat redundant. Here, given the axioms for group (g,*) with only right identity and inverses, we formally prove
    that the right identity and inverses are also a left identity and inverse respectively.

    https://dcproof.com/GroupLeftRightIdentityInverses.htm (only 123 lines)

    Dan

    Download my DC Proof 2.0 freeware at http://www.dcproof.com
    Visit my Math Blog at http://www.dcproof.wordpress.com
    Why people are attacking you constantly Dan C?

    Doesn't that suggest something to you where you don't think of? No wonder!

    But certainly you are suffering constantly from something in mind 🙃! Sure

    BKK

    Why can't you Mild Shock version well-understand my too simple proofs instead?

    I do believe that I have proven ALL my unique & so peculiar & rarest historical claims with too simple elementary & numerical "irrefutable" proofs FOR SURE

    But so unfortunately, since only my unique vision & proofs are against the academic mainstreams dogmatic beliefs & their achievements, then certainly it would be globally denied & fought to death as well

    Go learn my proofs & rewrite them in a logical mathematical way you are pretending!


    Bassam karzeddin

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  • From Dan Christensen@21:1/5 to Mild Shock on Thu Sep 14 13:14:24 2023
    On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 2:26:41 PM UTC-4, Mild Shock wrote:
    Come on Dan Christensen. Do you really want to tell me:

    - You CANNOT show that U is redundant in Trichotomy,
    representable by T and F?

    [snip]

    Apparently, you cannot tell a trichotomy from a dichotomy. See my posting just now in the thread "The Liar Paradox: My latest blog posting" at sci.logic.

    Dan

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  • From Mild Shock@21:1/5 to Dan Christensen on Thu Sep 14 13:25:47 2023
    The proof is as easy as follows:
    - We don't need to use predicates
    - We don't need to use sets
    - We can show it with propositional variables

    All we need to prove is:
    Equivalence: (((¬T ∧ ¬F) ↔ U)
    Trichotomy II: ¬(T∧F)
    Trichotomy I: ((T ∨ (F∨U)) ∧ (¬(T∧F) ∧ (¬(T∧U) ∧ ¬(F∧U)))) Equivalence & Trichotomy II <=> Trichotomy I

    Here is a proof:
    (((¬T ∧ ¬F) ↔ U) ∧ ¬(T∧F)) ↔ ((T ∨ (F∨U)) ∧ (¬(T∧F) ∧ (¬(T∧U) ∧ ¬(F∧U)))) is valid.
    https://www.umsu.de/trees/#(~3T~1~3F~4U)~1~3(T~1F)~4(T~2F~2U)~1~3(T~1F)~1~3(T~1U)~1~3(F~1U)

    Easy, wasn't it?

    Dan Christensen schrieb am Donnerstag, 14. September 2023 um 22:14:31 UTC+2:
    On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 2:26:41 PM UTC-4, Mild Shock wrote:
    Come on Dan Christensen. Do you really want to tell me:

    - You CANNOT show that U is redundant in Trichotomy,
    representable by T and F?

    [snip]

    Apparently, you cannot tell a trichotomy from a dichotomy. See my posting just now in the thread "The Liar Paradox: My latest blog posting" at sci.logic.
    Dan

    Download my DC Proof 2.0 freeware at http://www.dcproof.com
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  • From Mild Shock@21:1/5 to Mild Shock on Thu Sep 14 13:26:45 2023
    Or instead of using Wolfgang Schwarz tree tool, you
    can also look at truth tables, and see that it is the same:

    Equivalence & Trichotomy II
    Fs Ts Us (((¬Ts ∧ ¬Fs) ↔ Us) ∧ ¬(Ts ∧ Fs))
    F F T T
    F T F T
    T F F T
    https://web.stanford.edu/class/cs103/tools/truth-table-tool/

    Trichotomy I
    Fs Ts Us ((Ts ∨ (Fs ∨ Us)) ∧ (¬(Ts ∧ Fs) ∧ (¬(Ts ∧ Us) ∧ ¬(Fs ∧ Us))))
    F F T T
    F T F T
    T F F T
    https://web.stanford.edu/class/cs103/tools/truth-table-tool/

    Q.E.D.

    Mild Shock schrieb am Donnerstag, 14. September 2023 um 22:26:03 UTC+2:
    The proof is as easy as follows:
    - We don't need to use predicates
    - We don't need to use sets
    - We can show it with propositional variables

    All we need to prove is:
    Equivalence: (((¬T ∧ ¬F) ↔ U)
    Trichotomy II: ¬(T∧F)
    Trichotomy I: ((T ∨ (F∨U)) ∧ (¬(T∧F) ∧ (¬(T∧U) ∧ ¬(F∧U))))
    Equivalence & Trichotomy II <=> Trichotomy I

    Here is a proof:
    (((¬T ∧ ¬F) ↔ U) ∧ ¬(T∧F)) ↔ ((T ∨ (F∨U)) ∧ (¬(T∧F) ∧ (¬(T∧U) ∧ ¬(F∧U)))) is valid.
    https://www.umsu.de/trees/#(~3T~1~3F~4U)~1~3(T~1F)~4(T~2F~2U)~1~3(T~1F)~1~3(T~1U)~1~3(F~1U)

    Easy, wasn't it?
    Dan Christensen schrieb am Donnerstag, 14. September 2023 um 22:14:31 UTC+2:
    On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 2:26:41 PM UTC-4, Mild Shock wrote:
    Come on Dan Christensen. Do you really want to tell me:

    - You CANNOT show that U is redundant in Trichotomy,
    representable by T and F?

    [snip]

    Apparently, you cannot tell a trichotomy from a dichotomy. See my posting just now in the thread "The Liar Paradox: My latest blog posting" at sci.logic.
    Dan

    Download my DC Proof 2.0 freeware at http://www.dcproof.com
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  • From Mild Shock@21:1/5 to Mild Shock on Thu Sep 14 13:28:34 2023
    In case you disagree with this equality, can
    you name one truth table row, where:

    (((¬Ts ∧ ¬Fs) ↔ Us) ∧ ¬(Ts ∧ Fs))

    and this here:

    ((Ts ∨ (Fs ∨ Us)) ∧ (¬(Ts ∧ Fs) ∧ (¬(Ts ∧ Us) ∧ ¬(Fs ∧ Us))))

    differ? If you can name a row, I will believe you.

    Mild Shock schrieb am Donnerstag, 14. September 2023 um 22:26:52 UTC+2:
    Or instead of using Wolfgang Schwarz tree tool, you
    can also look at truth tables, and see that it is the same:

    Equivalence & Trichotomy II
    Fs Ts Us (((¬Ts ∧ ¬Fs) ↔ Us) ∧ ¬(Ts ∧ Fs))
    F F T T
    F T F T
    T F F T
    https://web.stanford.edu/class/cs103/tools/truth-table-tool/

    Trichotomy I
    Fs Ts Us ((Ts ∨ (Fs ∨ Us)) ∧ (¬(Ts ∧ Fs) ∧ (¬(Ts ∧ Us) ∧ ¬(Fs ∧ Us))))
    F F T T
    F T F T
    T F F T
    https://web.stanford.edu/class/cs103/tools/truth-table-tool/

    Q.E.D.
    Mild Shock schrieb am Donnerstag, 14. September 2023 um 22:26:03 UTC+2:
    The proof is as easy as follows:
    - We don't need to use predicates
    - We don't need to use sets
    - We can show it with propositional variables

    All we need to prove is:
    Equivalence: (((¬T ∧ ¬F) ↔ U)
    Trichotomy II: ¬(T∧F)
    Trichotomy I: ((T ∨ (F∨U)) ∧ (¬(T∧F) ∧ (¬(T∧U) ∧ ¬(F∧U))))
    Equivalence & Trichotomy II <=> Trichotomy I

    Here is a proof:
    (((¬T ∧ ¬F) ↔ U) ∧ ¬(T∧F)) ↔ ((T ∨ (F∨U)) ∧ (¬(T∧F) ∧ (¬(T∧U) ∧ ¬(F∧U)))) is valid.
    https://www.umsu.de/trees/#(~3T~1~3F~4U)~1~3(T~1F)~4(T~2F~2U)~1~3(T~1F)~1~3(T~1U)~1~3(F~1U)

    Easy, wasn't it?
    Dan Christensen schrieb am Donnerstag, 14. September 2023 um 22:14:31 UTC+2:
    On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 2:26:41 PM UTC-4, Mild Shock wrote:
    Come on Dan Christensen. Do you really want to tell me:

    - You CANNOT show that U is redundant in Trichotomy,
    representable by T and F?

    [snip]

    Apparently, you cannot tell a trichotomy from a dichotomy. See my posting just now in the thread "The Liar Paradox: My latest blog posting" at sci.logic.
    Dan

    Download my DC Proof 2.0 freeware at http://www.dcproof.com
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  • From markusklyver@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 14 13:40:34 2023
    onsdag 5 juli 2023 kl. 21:07:53 UTC+2 skrev Dan Christensen:
    Most presentations of the axioms of group theory seem to give both right and left identities and inverses, which turns out to be somewhat redundant. Here, given the axioms for group (g,*) with only right identity and inverses, we formally prove that
    the right identity and inverses are also a left identity and inverse respectively.

    https://dcproof.com/GroupLeftRightIdentityInverses.htm (only 123 lines)

    Dan

    Download my DC Proof 2.0 freeware at http://www.dcproof.com
    Visit my Math Blog at http://www.dcproof.wordpress.com
    https://proofwiki.org/wiki/Left_Inverse_for_All_is_Right_Inverse

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  • From Dan Christensen@21:1/5 to Mild Shock on Thu Sep 14 14:54:36 2023
    On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 4:26:03 PM UTC-4, Mild Shock wrote:
    The proof is as easy as follows:

    [snip]

    See my thread on this topic in the thread, "The Liar Paradox: My latest blog posting"

    Dan

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  • From bassam karzeddin@21:1/5 to bassam karzeddin on Wed Sep 20 06:34:40 2023
    On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 10:17:52 PM UTC+3, bassam karzeddin wrote:
    On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 9:39:51 PM UTC+3, Mild Shock wrote:
    Why don't you show a proof BKK, make yourself useful
    once in your life. So far you didn't post anything interesting.
    bassam karzeddin schrieb am Donnerstag, 14. September 2023 um 20:32:33 UTC+2:
    On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 10:07:53 PM UTC+3, Dan Christensen wrote:
    Most presentations of the axioms of group theory seem to give both right and left identities and inverses, which turns out to be somewhat redundant. Here, given the axioms for group (g,*) with only right identity and inverses, we formally prove
    that the right identity and inverses are also a left identity and inverse respectively.

    https://dcproof.com/GroupLeftRightIdentityInverses.htm (only 123 lines)

    Dan

    Download my DC Proof 2.0 freeware at http://www.dcproof.com
    Visit my Math Blog at http://www.dcproof.wordpress.com
    Why people are attacking you constantly Dan C?

    Doesn't that suggest something to you where you don't think of? No wonder!

    But certainly you are suffering constantly from something in mind 🙃! Sure

    BKK
    Why can't you Mild Shock version well-understand my too simple proofs instead?

    I do believe that I have proven ALL my unique & so peculiar & rarest historical claims with too simple elementary & numerical "irrefutable" proofs FOR SURE

    But so unfortunately, since only my unique vision & proofs are against the academic mainstreams dogmatic beliefs & their achievements, then certainly it would be globally denied & fought to death as well

    Go learn my proofs & rewrite them in a logical mathematical way you are pretending!


    Bassam karzeddin

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