• Lama and Yama

    From Jeff Barnett@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 13 22:15:42 2024
    Question from a non-linguist:

    My pleasure reading of Oriental fiction and myth seem to frequently run
    into the words "Lama" and "Yama". The first usually refers to a holy man
    and the second to a God. Of course the words sound fairly similar to my
    ear. So I am curious: Are they were derived from a common origin?

    I briefly poked around the internet and found nothing that was based on anything other than it sounded cute to say "Lama Yama" or "Yama Lama"
    three times quickly. Since I really don't know how to find the right
    hole to force a search engine into, I thought I'd try you all.
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  • From Aidan Kehoe@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 14 06:51:19 2024
    Ar an triú lá déag de mí Méan Fómhair, scríobh Jeff Barnett:

    Question from a non-linguist:

    My pleasure reading of Oriental fiction and myth seem to frequently run into the words "Lama" and "Yama". The first usually refers to a holy man and the second to a God. Of course the words sound fairly similar to my ear. So I am curious: Are they were derived from a common origin?

    Wikipedia documents the first as Tibetan, with “guru” being the appropriate Sanskrit term, the second is itself Sanskrit. Tibetan is a Sino-Tibetan language, Sanskrit is Indo-European. With them coming from distinct language families, absent other evidence the way to bet is that they are not derived from a common origin.

    I briefly poked around the internet and found nothing that was based on anything other than it sounded cute to say "Lama Yama" or "Yama Lama" three times quickly. Since I really don't know how to find the right hole to force a
    search engine into, I thought I'd try you all.

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  • From HenHanna@21:1/5 to Jeff Barnett on Fri Sep 13 22:21:54 2024
    XPost: alt.usage.english, sci.lang.translation

    i cant remember if Jp [majutu] is related to Magi and Magic.


    Yama -- Maya == the supernatural power wielded by gods and demons to
    produce illusions. (Hinduism•Buddhism) the power by which the universe becomes manifest; the illusion or appearance of the phenomenal world.

    まやかし (mayakashi) is a Japanese word with meaning including "counterfeit,
    fake, deception".



    On 9/13/2024 9:15 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote:
    Question from a non-linguist:

    My pleasure reading of Oriental fiction and myth seem to frequently run
    into the words "Lama" and "Yama". The first usually refers to a holy man
    and the second to a God. Of course the words sound fairly similar to my
    ear. So I am curious: Are they were derived from a common origin?

    I briefly poked around the internet and found nothing that was based on anything other than it sounded cute to say "Lama Yama" or "Yama Lama"
    three times quickly. Since I really don't know how to find the right
    hole to force a search engine into, I thought I'd try you all.


    not related... but that wouldn't prevent (say, Joyce) from
    using the coincidence.


    Lama is a spiritual teacher or monk in Tibetan Buddhism.
    Yama is the Hindu god of death and the underworld.


    _______________The etymology of "lama" is Tibetan.

    The word originates from the Tibetan bla-ma, which literally means
    "superior one" or "highest principle". It's a title used in Tibetan
    Buddhism to refer to a spiritual teacher or monk.

    The term "lama" is similar in meaning to the Sanskrit word "guru", which
    also denotes a spiritual teacher or mentor.


    _________________Yama is derived from the Sanskrit word yama, which
    means "twin" or "restraint". This refers to his role as the twin brother
    of Yami (the goddess of night) and his function as the controller of
    death and the underworld.

    The term "Yama" is also connected to the concept of yamas, which are the
    ten ethical codes or virtues in Hinduism. These virtues are considered essential for a good and righteous life.



    iirc... the animal Llama is related to Spanish Llamada.

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  • From Jeff Barnett@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 14 00:15:58 2024
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