• Re: [de]"Schnitzel"

    From HenHanna@21:1/5 to Stefan Ram on Sun Jul 7 20:02:14 2024
    XPost: alt.usage.english

    On 1/29/2024 12:17 AM, Stefan Ram wrote:
    I tried to find an English expression for the German word
    "paniertes Schnitzel".

    The English word "schnitzel" refers to something that is
    breaded. (The English word "schnitzel" refers to what is called
    "/Wiener/ Schnitzel" in German.) A German "Schnitzel" does not
    necessarily have to be breaded, but in this case I am thinking
    of a "paniertes Schnitzel", i.e., a breaded "Schnitzel".

    From the etymology of "Schnitzel", it is something like a
    "cutlet", but the German words "Kotelett" and "Schnitzel"
    have taken on a more specific meanings each.

    The German "Schnitzel" usually is taken from the /leg of pork/.
    (I am thinking of pork, "Schweineschnitzel". A German "Schnitzel"
    could also be some other kind of meat, like veal.)

    The word "cutlet" alone would not convey this origin from the
    leg. Therefore, my current best approximation to

    "paniertes Schweineschnitzel"

    in English is

    "breaded pork leg cutlet".

    (I'm not particularly fond of "Schnitzel", rather I prefer
    "Koteletts" which are made of meat from the ribs of the pig,
    with some bone and fat, and usually not breaded.)



    in a local grocery store (USA) i think i've seen
    boxes of "Panko" in the shelves.



    In German, "Brot" and "Panier" are completely different words with
    distinct meanings:

    Brot: This is the most common word for bread in German,
    referring to any variety of bread in general. It can be sliced bread,
    rolls, baguettes, etc. (Think "breadbasket").

    Panier: This word refers to bread crumbs used for coating food
    before frying or baking. It comes from the French word "paner," which
    also means "to bread." (Think "breading for schnitzel").

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  • From Jeff Barnett@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 7 21:11:49 2024
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  • From HenHanna@21:1/5 to Jeff Barnett on Mon Jul 8 07:04:56 2024
    XPost: alt.usage.english

    On Mon, 8 Jul 2024 3:11:49 (UTC), Jeff Barnett wrote:

    On 7/7/2024 9:02 PM, HenHanna wrote:
    On 1/29/2024 12:17 AM, Stefan Ram wrote:
       I tried to find an English expression for the German word
       "paniertes Schnitzel".

       The English word "schnitzel" refers to something that is
       breaded. (The English word "schnitzel" refers to what is called
       "/Wiener/ Schnitzel" in German.) A German "Schnitzel" does not
       necessarily have to be breaded, but in this case I am thinking
       of a "paniertes Schnitzel", i.e., a breaded "Schnitzel".

       From the etymology of "Schnitzel", it is something like a
       "cutlet", but the German words "Kotelett" and "Schnitzel"
       have taken on a more specific meanings each.

       The German "Schnitzel" usually is taken from the /leg of pork/.
       (I am thinking of pork, "Schweineschnitzel". A German "Schnitzel"
       could also be some other kind of meat, like veal.)

       The word "cutlet" alone would not convey this origin from the
       leg. Therefore, my current best approximation to

                       "paniertes Schweineschnitzel"

       in English is

                         "breaded pork leg cutlet".

       (I'm not particularly fond of "Schnitzel", rather I prefer
       "Koteletts" which are made of meat from the ribs of the pig,
       with some bone and fat, and usually not breaded.)



                 in a local grocery store (USA) i think i've seen >>              boxes of  "Panko"   in the shelves.

    I think "panko" is taken to mean a Japanese-style breading. The crumbs
    are larger than those in ordinary bread crumb mixtures. [USA based observations.]

    In German, "Brot" and "Panier" are completely different words with
    distinct meanings:

    Brot:          This is the most common word for bread in German,
    referring to any variety of bread in general. It can be sliced bread,
    rolls, baguettes, etc. (Think "breadbasket").

    Panier:       This word refers to bread crumbs used for coating food >> before frying or baking. It comes from the French word "paner," which
    also means "to bread." (Think "breading for schnitzel").
    --
    Jeff Barnett


    There must've been a time when lots of ppl thought
    it was silly to sell (or buy) bread crumbs (apart from
    Bread)


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  • From Janet@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 8 10:11:37 2024
    XPost: alt.usage.english

    In article <v6fldl$n6vb$1@dont-email.me>, jbb@notatt.com
    says...

    On 7/7/2024 9:02 PM, HenHanna wrote:
    On 1/29/2024 12:17 AM, Stefan Ram wrote:
       I tried to find an English expression for the German word
       "paniertes Schnitzel".

       The English word "schnitzel" refers to something that is
       breaded.

    Er, you have that back to front. The fact English
    speakers know what schnitzel is, and that it's been
    breaded, but that doesn't mean that (in English) any and
    every breaded something, is called schnitzel.


    (The English word "schnitzel" refers to what is called
       "/Wiener/ Schnitzel" in German.) A German "Schnitzel" does not
       necessarily have to be breaded, but in this case I am thinking
       of a "paniertes Schnitzel", i.e., a breaded "Schnitzel".

       From the etymology of "Schnitzel", it is something like a
       "cutlet", but the German words "Kotelett" and "Schnitzel"
       have taken on a more specific meanings each.

       The German "Schnitzel" usually is taken from the /leg of pork/.
       (I am thinking of pork, "Schweineschnitzel". A German "Schnitzel"
       could also be some other kind of meat, like veal.)

       The word "cutlet" alone would not convey this origin from the
       leg. Therefore, my current best approximation to

                       "paniertes Schweineschnitzel"

       in English is

                         "breaded pork leg cutlet".


    wiki says

    Etymology
    The German word schnitzel (Middle High German: snitzel) is
    a diminutive of sniz, 'slice'.

    In the pork or veal schnitzel recipe,a thin cut
    of meat is pounded even thinner to tenderise it before
    being breaded and fried.

    Janet

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  • From Jeff Barnett@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 8 12:32:57 2024
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  • From Peter Moylan@21:1/5 to Jeff Barnett on Tue Jul 9 21:58:48 2024
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    On 09/07/24 04:32, Jeff Barnett wrote:

    Actually panko has only come into general American cognition spurred
    by the large number of cooking shows that promoted it on our TV.

    What is it about food porn that has made it dominate our TV programmes?
    We have just one TV channel that is totally devoted to cooking, and
    often I find my wife watching it when I would rather be on the news
    channel. There is something about popular culture that I don't understand.

    --
    Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
    Newcastle, NSW

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  • From Jeff Barnett@21:1/5 to Peter Moylan on Tue Jul 9 11:21:07 2024
    XPost: alt.usage.english

    On 7/9/2024 5:58 AM, Peter Moylan wrote:
    On 09/07/24 04:32, Jeff Barnett wrote:

    Actually panko has only come into general American cognition spurred
    by the large number of cooking shows that promoted it on our TV.

    What is it about food porn that has made it dominate our TV programmes?
    We have just one TV channel that is totally devoted to cooking, and
    often I find my wife watching it when I would rather be on the news
    channel. There is something about popular culture that I don't understand.

    We have several such channels here. However contrary to the impression
    my prior messages may have made, I rarely listen to them now days. The
    problem is that they are all repeats and have been since the beginning
    of the pandemic several years ago. Even with fresh content, I only
    listened to select episodes where there were topics that appealed to me,
    i.e., topics that would expose me to techniques I didn't know about or
    tastes I craved.

    As to what inspired others to view, I'm not quite sure but I recall one illuminating experience: I went to a gym that had a room full of
    exercise bikes all facing in the same direction where several TV screens
    were visible. One screen always had a cooking show displayed. (Each bike
    had a headphone plug and dial to select which TV program was audible.)
    Some of used to joke that the reason we joined the gym was to undo the
    evil effects of too much food so that was bad TV here. One very bright
    person said it differently: "I use these shows to help visualize what I
    shall reward myself with if I keep at my exercises." True genius.
    --
    Jeff Barnett

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  • From Antonio Marques@21:1/5 to Peter Moylan on Tue Jul 9 21:24:00 2024
    XPost: alt.usage.english

    Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:
    On 09/07/24 04:32, Jeff Barnett wrote:

    Actually panko has only come into general American cognition spurred
    by the large number of cooking shows that promoted it on our TV.

    What is it about food porn that has made it dominate our TV programmes?
    We have just one TV channel that is totally devoted to cooking, and
    often I find my wife watching it when I would rather be on the news
    channel. There is something about popular culture that I don't understand.


    All right, but what is it about news porn as well?

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