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Kommen drei Logiker in eine Bar. Der Kellner fragt: "Na, was darfs sein,
die Herren? Drei Bier?" Sagt der erste Logiker "Ich weiß nicht", der
zweite auch "Ich weiß nicht" und der Dritte sagt "Ja"


------ is this funny? i don't really get it.



Kellner= Origin: Late Latin "cellārium" - meaning "pantry"



Am.Eng... it's always [3 beers] with an S

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On 18/06/24 04:18, HenHanna wrote:

Kommen drei Logiker in eine Bar. Der Kellner fragt: "Na, was darfs sein,
die Herren? Drei Bier?" Sagt der erste Logiker "Ich weiß nicht", der
zweite auch "Ich weiß nicht" und der Dritte sagt "Ja"

------ is this funny? i don't really get it.

On a scale of 1 to 10, it's about 0.5.

--
Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

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On 6/17/2024 5:57 PM, Peter Moylan wrote:

On 18/06/24 04:18, HenHanna wrote:

Kommen drei Logiker in eine Bar. Der Kellner fragt: "Na, was darfs sein,
die Herren? Drei Bier?" Sagt der erste Logiker "Ich weiß nicht", der
zweite auch "Ich weiß nicht" und der Dritte sagt "Ja"

                     ------ is this funny?   i don't really get it.

On a scale of 1 to 10, it's about 0.5.

a really unfunny joke is like a (Super) [dry joke] -- by virtue of
its dryness, it acquires an attractive quality.

(a special case of irony)


Drei Bier?

For the last 40(?) years, a very popular brand of Beer in japan
is Asahi ["Super Dry"] beer.


an apparel and bag maker in the UK copied it,
and last year (?) there was a humorous twist because
these brazen copycat Brits tried to sue the original people.

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On 6/17/2024 8:16 PM, Snidely wrote:

Thus spake Peter Moylan:

On 18/06/24 04:18, HenHanna wrote:

Kommen drei Logiker in eine Bar. Der Kellner fragt: "Na, was darfs sein, >>> die Herren? Drei Bier?" Sagt der erste Logiker "Ich weiß nicht", der
zweite auch "Ich weiß nicht" und der Dritte sagt "Ja"

                     ------ is this funny?   i don't really get it.

On a scale of 1 to 10, it's about 0.5.

It's logical to know more than those who came before you.

/dps "for AUEistas"

that makes sense. .........


i used to know a famous Logician (one of the 20th century's greats)

Very often he'd answer my questions with only
Yes
No
I don't know.


---- in my experience, Mathematicians are generally NOT like this.


if he spoke German, they'd have been:

Ja (Doch)
Nein
Ich weiß nicht

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Mon, 17 Jun 2024 11:18:24 -0700: HenHanna <HenHanna@devnull.tb>
scribeva:

Kommen drei Logiker in eine Bar. Der Kellner fragt: "Na, was darfs sein,
die Herren? Drei Bier?" Sagt der erste Logiker "Ich weiß nicht", der
zweite auch "Ich weiß nicht" und der Dritte sagt "Ja"

------ is this funny? i don't really get it.

0 | 0 | 1 = 1, in Boolean logic.

Kellner= Origin: Late Latin "cell?rium" - meaning "pantry"

There's a extra step: cellenarius “(wine) cellar administrator”. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Kellner

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Mon, 17 Jun 2024 11:18:24 -0700: HenHanna <HenHanna@devnull.tb>
scribeva:

Kommen drei Logiker in eine Bar. Der Kellner fragt: "Na, was darfs sein,
die Herren? Drei Bier?" Sagt der erste Logiker "Ich weiß nicht", der
zweite auch "Ich weiß nicht" und der Dritte sagt "Ja"

Am.Eng... it's always [3 beers] with an S

I Dutch and German, certain native words do not get a plural form with non-unity numeral. 10 meter (not 'meters'), 6 kilo(gram), 100 m2
(vierkante meter), 1 atmosfeer, 10 atmosfeer/bar/pascal, etc. 15 kW,
kilowatt. But '20 graden' (not 'graad'), etc.

Why? I don't know. Just a convertion. Language is a collection of
habit, of old traditions.

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Le 17/06/2024 à 19:18, HenHanna a écrit :

Kommen drei Logiker in eine Bar. Der Kellner fragt: "Na, was darfs sein,
die Herren? Drei Bier?" Sagt der erste Logiker "Ich weiß nicht", der
zweite auch "Ich weiß nicht" und der Dritte sagt "Ja"

                    ------ is this funny?   i don't really get it. [...]

It's logical, but it's not funny.

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Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com> wrote:

Mon, 17 Jun 2024 11:18:24 -0700: HenHanna <HenHanna@devnull.tb>
scribeva:

Kommen drei Logiker in eine Bar. Der Kellner fragt: "Na, was darfs sein,
die Herren? Drei Bier?" Sagt der erste Logiker "Ich weiß nicht", der
zweite auch "Ich weiß nicht" und der Dritte sagt "Ja"

------ is this funny? i don't really get it.

0 | 0 | 1 = 1, in Boolean logic.

Yes, but I still don't get it either.

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On 20/06/24 20:06, Snidely wrote:

Thursday, Antonio Marques quipped:

Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com> wrote:

Mon, 17 Jun 2024 11:18:24 -0700: HenHanna <HenHanna@devnull.tb>
scribeva:

Kommen drei Logiker in eine Bar. Der Kellner fragt: "Na, was darfs
sein, die Herren? Drei Bier?" Sagt der erste Logiker "Ich wei�
nicht", der zweite auch "Ich wei� nicht" und der Dritte sagt "Ja"

------ is this funny? i don't really get it.

0 | 0 | 1 = 1, in Boolean logic.

Yes, but I still don't get it either.

The first two don't say no, but can't say yes because they don't know
the choice of the other two logicians. The third one has complete
knowledge from the other replies.

At which point the wave function collapses.

--
Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

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On 20/06/2024 10:06 p.m., Snidely wrote:

Thursday, Antonio Marques quipped:

Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com> wrote:

Mon, 17 Jun 2024 11:18:24 -0700: HenHanna <HenHanna@devnull.tb>
scribeva:

Kommen drei Logiker in eine Bar. Der Kellner fragt: "Na, was darfs
sein, die Herren? Drei Bier?" Sagt der erste Logiker "Ich wei�
nicht", der zweite auch "Ich wei� nicht" und der Dritte sagt "Ja"

------ is this funny?�� i don't really get it.

0 | 0 | 1 = 1, in Boolean logic.

Can somebody explain the notation?

Yes, but I still don't get it either.

The first two don't say no, but can't say yes because they don't know
the choice of the other two logicians.� The third one has complete
knowledge from the other replies.

/dps

No, still not clear. Where did these rules ("can't say yes, because...")
come from? Is the joke about the barman asking all three as a group, but
them having to answer as individuals? And they're not allowed to consult
before answering collectively? Maybe a joke about logicians'
indifference to social reality?

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Thu, 20 Jun 2024 22:55:13 +1200: Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz>
scribeva:

On 20/06/2024 10:06 p.m., Snidely wrote:

Thursday, Antonio Marques quipped:

Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com> wrote:

Mon, 17 Jun 2024 11:18:24 -0700: HenHanna <HenHanna@devnull.tb>
scribeva:

Kommen drei Logiker in eine Bar. Der Kellner fragt: "Na, was darfs
sein, die Herren? Drei Bier?" Sagt der erste Logiker "Ich weiß
nicht", der zweite auch "Ich weiß nicht" und der Dritte sagt "Ja"

------ is this funny?   i don't really get it.

0 | 0 | 1 = 1, in Boolean logic.

Can somebody explain the notation?

| = or, & = and.
In C: | is bitwise or, || is logical or, etc.

Sometimes other symbols are used, V for OR and something like an
uppercase Greek lambda for AND. Or the other way round. No, I
remembered correctly:
https://unicode.org/charts/PDF/U2200.pdf
symbols 2227 and 2228.


--
Ruud Harmsen, https://rudhar.com

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Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:

Thursday, Antonio Marques quipped:

Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com> wrote:

Mon, 17 Jun 2024 11:18:24 -0700: HenHanna <HenHanna@devnull.tb>
scribeva:

Kommen drei Logiker in eine Bar. Der Kellner fragt: "Na, was darfs sein, >>>> die Herren? Drei Bier?" Sagt der erste Logiker "Ich weiß nicht", der
zweite auch "Ich weiß nicht" und der Dritte sagt "Ja"

------ is this funny? i don't really get it.

0 | 0 | 1 = 1, in Boolean logic.

Yes, but I still don't get it either.

The first two don't say no, but can't say yes because they don't know
the choice of the other two logicians. The third one has complete
knowledge from the other replies.

But for that to work, the first two replies would have to be equivalent to
a 'yes', otherwise they express no choice and hence the third guy is not
any more informed than the first two.

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Antonio Marques <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:

Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:

Thursday, Antonio Marques quipped:

Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com> wrote:

Mon, 17 Jun 2024 11:18:24 -0700: HenHanna <HenHanna@devnull.tb>
scribeva:

Kommen drei Logiker in eine Bar. Der Kellner fragt: "Na, was darfs sein, >>>>> die Herren? Drei Bier?" Sagt der erste Logiker "Ich weiß nicht", der >>>>> zweite auch "Ich weiß nicht" und der Dritte sagt "Ja"

------ is this funny? i don't really get it.

0 | 0 | 1 = 1, in Boolean logic.

Yes, but I still don't get it either.

The first two don't say no, but can't say yes because they don't know
the choice of the other two logicians. The third one has complete
knowledge from the other replies.

But for that to work, the first two replies would have to be equivalent to
a 'yes', otherwise they express no choice and hence the third guy is not
any more informed than the first two.

(Maybe you're thinking that if one of them meant 'no', they could have said 'no', because the maximum amount then possible would be 2. But that
requires further assumptions - that they all knew what they wanted, that
each one only wanted one drink, and more importantly that each one - or at least the third - knew those two facts about the other two.)

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Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:

Antonio Marques explained on 6/20/2024 :

Antonio Marques <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:

Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:

Thursday, Antonio Marques quipped:

Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com> wrote:

Mon, 17 Jun 2024 11:18:24 -0700: HenHanna <HenHanna@devnull.tb>
scribeva:

Kommen drei Logiker in eine Bar. Der Kellner fragt: "Na, was darfs sein,
die Herren? Drei Bier?" Sagt der erste Logiker "Ich weiß nicht", der >>>>>>> zweite auch "Ich weiß nicht" und der Dritte sagt "Ja"

------ is this funny? i don't really get it.

0 | 0 | 1 = 1, in Boolean logic.

Yes, but I still don't get it either.

The first two don't say no, but can't say yes because they don't know
the choice of the other two logicians. The third one has complete
knowledge from the other replies.

But for that to work, the first two replies would have to be equivalent to >>> a 'yes', otherwise they express no choice and hence the third guy is not >>> any more informed than the first two.

(Maybe you're thinking that if one of them meant 'no', they could have said >> 'no', because the maximum amount then possible would be 2. But that
requires further assumptions - that they all knew what they wanted, that
each one only wanted one drink, and more importantly that each one - or at >> least the third - knew those two facts about the other two.)

You're working it too hard.

Hey, they're supposed to be logicians.

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On 2024-06-20 16:01, Antonio Marques wrote:

Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:

Thursday, Antonio Marques quipped:

Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com> wrote:

Mon, 17 Jun 2024 11:18:24 -0700: HenHanna <HenHanna@devnull.tb>
scribeva:

Kommen drei Logiker in eine Bar. Der Kellner fragt: "Na, was darfs sein, >>>>> die Herren? Drei Bier?" Sagt der erste Logiker "Ich weiß nicht", der >>>>> zweite auch "Ich weiß nicht" und der Dritte sagt "Ja"

------ is this funny? i don't really get it.

0 | 0 | 1 = 1, in Boolean logic.

Yes, but I still don't get it either.

The first two don't say no, but can't say yes because they don't know
the choice of the other two logicians. The third one has complete
knowledge from the other replies.

But for that to work, the first two replies would have to be equivalent to
a 'yes', otherwise they express no choice and hence the third guy is not
any more informed than the first two.

This one reminds me of one I heard years ago.

A mathematician, a physicist, and an engineer were travelling through Scotland when they saw a black sheep through the window of the train.

"Aha," says the engineer, "I see that Scottish sheep are black."

"Hmm," says the physicist, "You mean that some Scottish sheep are black."

"No," says the mathematician, "All we know is that there is at least one
sheep in Scotland, and that it is black on at least one side."

--
A closed mouth gathers no foot.

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On 21/06/24 13:46, lar3ryca wrote:

"Aha," says the engineer, "I see that Scottish sheep are black."

"Hmm," says the physicist, "You mean that some Scottish sheep are
black."

"No," says the mathematician, "All we know is that there is at least
one sheep in Scotland, and that it is black on at least one side."

The sheep joke that immediately springs to my mind is both racist and tasteless, so I'll give you a different joke.

A medico, an engineer, and a lawyer were arguing over which was the
oldest profession.

"The Bible tells us that God took one of Adam's ribs to make a woman",
said the doctor. "That's a medical procedure."

"Yes", said the engineer. "But before that, God produced order out of
chaos. That's an engineering job."

"Ah", said the lawyer. "But who produced the chaos?"

--
Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

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On 2024-06-20 22:22, Peter Moylan wrote:

On 21/06/24 13:46, lar3ryca wrote:

"Aha," says the engineer, "I see that Scottish sheep are black."

"Hmm," says the physicist, "You mean that some Scottish sheep are
black."

"No," says the mathematician, "All we know is that there is at least
one sheep in Scotland, and that it is black on at least one side."

The sheep joke that immediately springs to my mind is both racist and tasteless, so I'll give you a different joke.

A medico, an engineer, and a lawyer were arguing over which was the
oldest profession.

"The Bible tells us that God took one of Adam's ribs to make a woman",
said the doctor. "That's a medical procedure."

"Yes", said the engineer. "But before that, God produced order out of
chaos. That's an engineering job."

"Ah", said the lawyer. "But who produced the chaos?"

For some reason, this reminded me of the waitress walking by a table
with three fellows talking.

The first fellow says "I think it's spelled "Woom".
The second says "No... it's more likely "whoom".
The third says "I'm pretty sure it's "whoomb".

The waitress leans over and says "Gentlemen, it's definitely "womb".

The three fellow glance around at each other, then one turns to the
waitress and says "Well, I'm almost certain that you've never heard an
elephant fart!"

--
There was a fight between 19 and 20. 21.

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Sat, 22 Jun 2024 19:29:14 +0300: Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org>
scribeva:

Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com> writes:

Mon, 17 Jun 2024 11:18:24 -0700: HenHanna <HenHanna@devnull.tb>
scribeva:

Kommen drei Logiker in eine Bar. Der Kellner fragt: "Na, was darfs sein, >>>die Herren? Drei Bier?" Sagt der erste Logiker "Ich weiß nicht", der >>>zweite auch "Ich weiß nicht" und der Dritte sagt "Ja"

------ is this funny? i don't really get it.

0 | 0 | 1 = 1, in Boolean logic.

True but irrelevant.

~0 & ~0 & 1 = 1 is the boolean logic that applies.

What do you mean by ~? Not? How is don't know a not.

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On 23/06/2024 10:39 p.m., Phil Carmody wrote:

Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com> writes:

Sat, 22 Jun 2024 19:29:14 +0300: Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org>
scribeva:

Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com> writes:

Mon, 17 Jun 2024 11:18:24 -0700: HenHanna <HenHanna@devnull.tb>
scribeva:

Kommen drei Logiker in eine Bar. Der Kellner fragt: "Na, was darfs sein, >>>>> die Herren? Drei Bier?" Sagt der erste Logiker "Ich weiß nicht", der >>>>> zweite auch "Ich weiß nicht" und der Dritte sagt "Ja"

------ is this funny? i don't really get it.

0 | 0 | 1 = 1, in Boolean logic.

True but irrelevant.

~0 & ~0 & 1 = 1 is the boolean logic that applies.

What do you mean by ~? Not? How is don't know a not.

~ is indeed not.

Saying "don't know" is the *exclusion* of "no" as a possible state,
because if "no" was this guy's intention he would have correctly
answered "no" rather than "don't know".

Phil

But it also excludes "yes". So is ~1 equivalent to ~0? Why not just ~?

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Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> wrote:

Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com> writes:

Sat, 22 Jun 2024 19:29:14 +0300: Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org>
scribeva:

Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com> writes:

Mon, 17 Jun 2024 11:18:24 -0700: HenHanna <HenHanna@devnull.tb>
scribeva:

Kommen drei Logiker in eine Bar. Der Kellner fragt: "Na, was darfs sein, >>>>> die Herren? Drei Bier?" Sagt der erste Logiker "Ich weiß nicht", der >>>>> zweite auch "Ich weiß nicht" und der Dritte sagt "Ja"

------ is this funny? i don't really get it.

0 | 0 | 1 = 1, in Boolean logic.

True but irrelevant.

~0 & ~0 & 1 = 1 is the boolean logic that applies.

What do you mean by ~? Not? How is don't know a not.

~ is indeed not.

Saying "don't know" is the *exclusion* of "no" as a possible state,
because if "no" was this guy's intention he would have correctly
answered "no" rather than "don't know".

...except that 'don't know' usually means 'still deciding'.

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Sun, 23 Jun 2024 13:39:03 +0300: Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org>
scribeva:

Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com> writes:

Sat, 22 Jun 2024 19:29:14 +0300: Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org>
scribeva:

Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com> writes:

Mon, 17 Jun 2024 11:18:24 -0700: HenHanna <HenHanna@devnull.tb>
scribeva:

Kommen drei Logiker in eine Bar. Der Kellner fragt: "Na, was darfs sein, >>>>>die Herren? Drei Bier?" Sagt der erste Logiker "Ich weiß nicht", der >>>>>zweite auch "Ich weiß nicht" und der Dritte sagt "Ja"

------ is this funny? i don't really get it.

0 | 0 | 1 = 1, in Boolean logic.

True but irrelevant.

~0 & ~0 & 1 = 1 is the boolean logic that applies.

What do you mean by ~? Not? How is don't know a not.

~ is indeed not.

Saying "don't know" is the *exclusion* of "no" as a possible state,
because if "no" was this guy's intention he would have correctly
answered "no" rather than "don't know".

In the C programming language, ~0 is the same as 1, or true.

In your reasoning, it could also be the exclusio of yes as a possible
answer.
--
Ruud Harmsen, https://rudhar.com

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On 24/06/2024 1:56 a.m., jerryfriedman wrote:

Antonio Marques wrote:

Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> wrote:

Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com> writes:

Sat, 22 Jun 2024 19:29:14 +0300: Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org>
scribeva:

Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com> writes:

Mon, 17 Jun 2024 11:18:24 -0700: HenHanna <HenHanna@devnull.tb>
scribeva:

Kommen drei Logiker in eine Bar. Der Kellner fragt: "Na, was darfs >>>>>>> sein,

die Herren? Drei Bier?" Sagt der erste Logiker "Ich weiß nicht", >>>>>>> der zweite auch "Ich weiß nicht" und der Dritte sagt "Ja"

------ is this funny?   i don't really get it.

0 | 0 | 1 = 1, in Boolean logic.

True but irrelevant.

~0 & ~0 & 1 = 1 is the boolean logic that applies.

What do you mean by ~? Not? How is don't know a not.

~ is indeed not.

Saying "don't know" is the *exclusion* of "no" as a possible state,
because if "no" was this guy's intention he would have correctly
answered "no" rather than "don't know".

....except that 'don't know' usually means 'still deciding'.

That misdirection is part of the puzzle (which I didn't get the first
time
I saw it).  But they're logicians, which is a clue that ordinary interpretation doesn't work.

I think this one can be worked out if it's presented as a puzzle,
ending "How did he know?"  In that case "I don't know" can't
mean "I'm still deciding."  It has to mean "I know what I want, but
I don't know what the others want."  For the third logician to
answer confidently, he has to be able to assume that the other
two know what they want, but three people walking into a bar
together might know each other that well.

Thank you, Jerry. This brings it within reach of my groping mind at
last. So...the whole sequence has to be understood as individual answers
to the question addressed to the group: Do you want three beers?
If either of the first two had _not_ wanted a beer, he would have been
able (in fact required) to say "no" to the group question, even without
knowing what the other two wanted. So "don't know" for the first two
implies "I want a beer, but...". Once two such (individual, implicit) affirmatives have been given, the third guy knows the answer to the
group question.

I agree, better puzzle than joke.

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On 23/06/24 20:39, Phil Carmody wrote:

Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com> writes:

Sat, 22 Jun 2024 19:29:14 +0300: Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org>
scribeva:

Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com> writes:

Mon, 17 Jun 2024 11:18:24 -0700: HenHanna
<HenHanna@devnull.tb> scribeva:

Kommen drei Logiker in eine Bar. Der Kellner fragt: "Na, was
darfs sein, die Herren? Drei Bier?" Sagt der erste Logiker
"Ich weiß nicht", der zweite auch "Ich weiß nicht" und der
Dritte sagt "Ja"

------ is this funny? i don't really get it.

0 | 0 | 1 = 1, in Boolean logic.

True but irrelevant.

~0 & ~0 & 1 = 1 is the boolean logic that applies.

What do you mean by ~? Not? How is don't know a not.

~ is indeed not.

Saying "don't know" is the *exclusion* of "no" as a possible state,
because if "no" was this guy's intention he would have correctly
answered "no" rather than "don't know".

Similarly, if "yes" was his intention then he would have answered "yes"
rather than "don't know". So the Boolean expression should be "not zero
and not one". (Which evaluates to "False" by the Boolean rules.)

But in fact Boolean algebra has no provision for representing "don't
know". To handle this, you need a three-valued logic, where a
proposition can have one of three values: true, false, or unknown.

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Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

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Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:

On 23/06/24 20:39, Phil Carmody wrote:

Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com> writes:

Sat, 22 Jun 2024 19:29:14 +0300: Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org>
scribeva:

Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com> writes:

Mon, 17 Jun 2024 11:18:24 -0700: HenHanna
<HenHanna@devnull.tb> scribeva:

Kommen drei Logiker in eine Bar. Der Kellner fragt: "Na, was
darfs sein, die Herren? Drei Bier?" Sagt der erste Logiker
"Ich weiß nicht", der zweite auch "Ich weiß nicht" und der
Dritte sagt "Ja"

------ is this funny? i don't really get it.

0 | 0 | 1 = 1, in Boolean logic.

True but irrelevant.

~0 & ~0 & 1 = 1 is the boolean logic that applies.

What do you mean by ~? Not? How is don't know a not.

~ is indeed not.

Saying "don't know" is the *exclusion* of "no" as a possible state,
because if "no" was this guy's intention he would have correctly
answered "no" rather than "don't know".

Similarly, if "yes" was his intention then he would have answered "yes" rather than "don't know".

No, because each one is answering the question regarding '3', and the only individual choice that can determine the yes/no outcome for '3' is 'no'. If
one doesn't want it, then the group can't want 3.
But that requires some other assumptions, as mentioned earlier.

So the Boolean expression should be "not zero
and not one". (Which evaluates to "False" by the Boolean rules.)

But in fact Boolean algebra has no provision for representing "don't
know". To handle this, you need a three-valued logic, where a
proposition can have one of three values: true, false, or unknown.

The problem with finding 'the boolean expression' is that different moments
of the story are modeled by different expressions. This isn't a single statement, it's a story.

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Mon, 24 Jun 2024 10:26:32 +0100: Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net>
scribeva:

Ar an tríú lá is fiche de mí Meitheamh, scríobh Ruud Harmsen:

~0 & ~0 & 1 = 1 is the boolean logic that applies.

What do you mean by ~? Not? How is don't know a not.

~ is indeed not.

Saying "don't know" is the *exclusion* of "no" as a possible state, >because if "no" was this guy's intention he would have correctly
answered "no" rather than "don't know".

In the C programming language, ~0 is the same as 1, or true.

!0 (logical not) is the same as 1, ~0 (bitwise not) is the same as 0xffffffff >or whatever the equivalent value is on your machine for the int value with all >its bits set. And this is usually the same as -1. Which is regarded as >logically true in C.

Yes, you are right, I mixed things up, although I usually know how to distinguish them very well.

This is nit-picking, getting into the weeds of C, your point basically stands.

In your reasoning, it could also be the exclusio of yes as a possible answer.

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Ruud Harmsen, https://rudhar.com

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