• World Scouse Day (28 February)

    From Ross Clark@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 1 23:10:33 2024
    Not exactly language related, but a day celebrating scouse, a kind of
    stew popular with sailors and often including ship's biscuit as an
    ingredient. Well known in Liverpool. The day was instituted by a "travel adventurer" named Graham Hughes some time in the early 2000s.

    The word for the stew is a shortening of "lobscouse" (OED 1707-,
    etymology obscure); the shorter form appears first in Dana's _Two Years
    Before the Mast_ (1840).
    A century or so later we find it used for a native of Liverpool (1945-),
    and for the local dialect or accent (1960-). South Lancashire with
    strong influence from Irish. Became quite fashionable thanks to
    you-know-who.

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  • From Adam Funk@21:1/5 to Ross Clark on Fri Mar 1 11:16:58 2024
    On 2024-03-01, Ross Clark wrote:

    Not exactly language related, but a day celebrating scouse, a kind of
    stew popular with sailors and often including ship's biscuit as an ingredient. Well known in Liverpool. The day was instituted by a "travel adventurer" named Graham Hughes some time in the early 2000s.

    The word for the stew is a shortening of "lobscouse" (OED 1707-,
    etymology obscure); the shorter form appears first in Dana's _Two Years Before the Mast_ (1840).
    A century or so later we find it used for a native of Liverpool (1945-),
    and for the local dialect or accent (1960-). South Lancashire with
    strong influence from Irish. Became quite fashionable thanks to
    you-know-who.

    Interesting, thanks. I knew who Scousers are but not why.


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  • From Christian Weisgerber@21:1/5 to Ross Clark on Fri Mar 1 20:13:31 2024
    On 2024-03-01, Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> wrote:

    A century or so later we find it used for a native of Liverpool (1945-),
    and for the local dialect or accent (1960-). South Lancashire with
    strong influence from Irish. Became quite fashionable thanks to
    you-know-who.

    My only brushes with basilectal Scouse are the occasional interviews
    with UFC fighters from the Liverpool area. (Paddy Pimblett and
    Molly McCann are two current exponents.) What is weird is that
    when I hear Scouse, it typically doesn't even register as English
    for me. When you know a language you automatically recognize and
    understand it. But when I hear Scouse it's just some kind of foreign
    speech. I need to force myself to process it as English, and then
    I can more or less understand it.

    --
    Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de

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  • From HenHanna@21:1/5 to Adam Funk on Fri Mar 1 12:24:52 2024
    XPost: alt.usage.english.neologism, alt.usage.english

    On 3/1/2024 3:16 AM, Adam Funk wrote:
    On 2024-03-01, Ross Clark wrote:

    Not exactly language related, but a day celebrating scouse, a kind of
    stew popular with sailors and often including ship's biscuit as an
    ingredient. Well known in Liverpool. The day was instituted by a "travel
    adventurer" named Graham Hughes some time in the early 2000s.

    The word for the stew is a shortening of "lobscouse" (OED 1707-,
    etymology obscure); the shorter form appears first in Dana's _Two Years
    Before the Mast_ (1840).
    A century or so later we find it used for a native of Liverpool (1945-),
    and for the local dialect or accent (1960-). South Lancashire with
    strong influence from Irish. Became quite fashionable thanks to
    you-know-who.

    Interesting, thanks. I knew who Scousers are but not why.




    Stew: "Stobhach" is a hearty Irish stew traditionally made with lamb,
    mutton, or beef, potatoes, onions, and vegetables.

    Soup: "Brocán" is a thick soup similar to a stew, often made with
    vegetables, barley, and sometimes meat.


    Stew: "Nikujaga" is a classic Japanese stew with meat (usually pork or
    beef), potatoes, carrots, onions, and other vegetables simmered
    in a flavorful broth.
    Soup: "Miso shiru" is a staple Japanese soup made with miso paste, dashi
    (fish broth), seaweed, and various toppings like tofu,
    vegetables, or fish.


    Stew: "Ragoût" is a French stew made with meat, vegetables, and a rich
    sauce. It can be enjoyed on its own or served over rice or pasta.
    Soup: "Soupe" is a general term for soup in French. There are many
    varieties, including broth-based soups like "potage" and
    cream-based soups like "bisque."


    Stew: "Eintopf" is a German stew typically made with meat, potatoes,
    vegetables, and sometimes sausage. It is a hearty and comforting
    dish.
    Soup: "Suppe" is the German word for soup. Popular German soups include
    "Kartoffelsuppe" (potato soup) and "Gulaschsuppe" (goulash
    soup).


    Glenn Gould, when talking about one of Bach's Goldberg Variations,
    said that it was based on a naughty song (?) about Cabbage ...


    The melody used in Bach's Quodlibet is actually a
    combination of several German folk songs, including "Kraut und Rüben
    haben mich vertrieben" ("Cabbage and turnips have driven me away").

    This song does mention cabbage, but it's not inherently
    "naughty."

    It likely tells the story of someone who dislikes a place where
    they only have cabbage and turnips to eat.

    It's possible that Glenn Gould misinterpreted the song's meaning or used
    it as a humorous anecdote.

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  • From lar3ryca@21:1/5 to HenHanna on Fri Mar 1 16:02:48 2024
    XPost: alt.usage.english.neologism, alt.usage.english

    On 2024-03-01 14:24, HenHanna wrote:
    On 3/1/2024 3:16 AM, Adam Funk wrote:
    On 2024-03-01, Ross Clark wrote:

    Not exactly language related, but a day celebrating scouse, a kind of
    stew popular with sailors and often including ship's biscuit as an
    ingredient. Well known in Liverpool. The day was instituted by a "travel >>> adventurer" named Graham Hughes some time in the early 2000s.

    The word for the stew is a shortening of "lobscouse" (OED 1707-,
    etymology obscure); the shorter form appears first in Dana's _Two Years
    Before the Mast_ (1840).

    Love the way English can be misinterpreted.
    I first thought, "so the Mast was in 1842?"

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    Doc, note, I dissent. A fast never prevents a fatness. I diet on cod.

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  • From Christian Weisgerber@21:1/5 to Ross Clark on Fri Mar 1 23:34:23 2024
    On 2024-03-01, Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> wrote:

    The word for the stew is a shortening of "lobscouse" (OED 1707-,
    etymology obscure);

    That has to be related to German "Labskaus", a stereotypical Northern German/sailor stew... possibly borrowed from the English word, but
    unknown origin (Pfeifer).

    --
    Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de

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  • From Tilde@21:1/5 to Ross Clark on Sun Mar 3 22:44:01 2024
    Ross Clark wrote:
    Not exactly language related, but a day celebrating scouse, a kind of
    stew popular with sailors and often including ship's biscuit as an ingredient. Well known in Liverpool. The day was instituted by a "travel adventurer" named Graham Hughes some time in the early 2000s.

    The word for the stew is a shortening of "lobscouse" (OED 1707-,
    etymology obscure); the shorter form appears first in Dana's _Two Years Before the Mast_ (1840).
    A century or so later we find it used for a native of Liverpool (1945-),
    and for the local dialect or accent (1960-). South Lancashire with
    strong influence from Irish. Became quite fashionable thanks to
    you-know-who.

    Wow, recipes for scouse and labskaus look tasty. Well, for
    the labskaus they'll have to leave out the beets - don't
    like those ;)

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  • From HenHanna@21:1/5 to HenHanna on Thu Mar 7 19:33:01 2024
    XPost: alt.usage.english.neologism, alt.usage.english

    On 3/1/2024 12:24 PM, HenHanna wrote:
    On 3/1/2024 3:16 AM, Adam Funk wrote:
    On 2024-03-01, Ross Clark wrote:

    Not exactly language related, but a day celebrating scouse, a kind of
    stew popular with sailors and often including ship's biscuit as an
    ingredient. Well known in Liverpool. The day was instituted by a "travel >>> adventurer" named Graham Hughes some time in the early 2000s.

    The word for the stew is a shortening of "lobscouse" (OED 1707-,
    etymology obscure); the shorter form appears first in Dana's _Two Years
    Before the Mast_ (1840).
    A century or so later we find it used for a native of Liverpool (1945-), >>> and for the local dialect or accent (1960-). South Lancashire with
    strong influence from Irish. Became quite fashionable thanks to
    you-know-who.

    Interesting, thanks. I knew who Scousers are but not why.




    Stew: "Stobhach" is a hearty Irish stew traditionally made with lamb,
          mutton, or beef, potatoes, onions, and vegetables.

    Soup: "Brocán" is a thick soup similar to a stew, often made with
              vegetables, barley, and sometimes meat.


    Stew: "Nikujaga" is a classic Japanese stew with meat (usually pork or
            beef), potatoes, carrots, onions, and other vegetables simmered
              in a flavorful broth.
    Soup: "Miso shiru" is a staple Japanese soup made with miso paste, dashi
              (fish broth), seaweed, and various toppings like tofu,
                   vegetables, or fish.


    Stew: "Ragoût" is a French stew made with meat, vegetables, and a rich
           sauce. It can be enjoyed on its own or served over rice or pasta.
    Soup: "Soupe" is a general term for soup in French. There are many
             varieties, including broth-based soups like "potage" and
                   cream-based soups like "bisque."


    Stew: "Eintopf" is a German stew typically made with meat, potatoes,
            vegetables, and sometimes sausage. It is a hearty and comforting
                dish.
    Soup: "Suppe" is the German word for soup. Popular German soups include
              "Kartoffelsuppe" (potato soup) and "Gulaschsuppe" (goulash
               soup).


    Glenn Gould, when talking about one of Bach's Goldberg Variations,
    said that it was based on a  naughty song (?) about Cabbage ...


                  The melody used in Bach's Quodlibet is actually a combination of several German folk songs, including "Kraut und Rüben
    haben mich vertrieben" ("Cabbage and turnips have driven me away").

              This song does mention cabbage, but it's not inherently "naughty."

            It likely tells the story of someone who dislikes a place where
    they only have cabbage and turnips to eat.

    It's possible that Glenn Gould misinterpreted the song's meaning or used
    it as a humorous anecdote.




    Love the way English can be misinterpreted.
    I first thought, "so the Mast was in 1842?"


    Dana's _Two Years Before the Mast_ (1840).

    -------------- meaning... Two years' stint on a ship???

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