• Is there a way to put the gps coordinates onto a photo?

    From mark@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 21 17:31:47 2022
    XPost: alt.satellite.gps, alt.internet.wireless

    Is there a way to put the gps coordinates onto a photo?

    I have Windows 10 and Android 11.
    I am working on a project with multiple very large apartment complexes.
    I have a paper colored apartment complex map for each complex.
    The map does not seem to be online so it's a paper handout.
    At each complex I'm expected to visit a set of given units each day for
    various reasons and all they give me is this paper map to find each unit.

    That works. But it's inefficient.
    They do this to everyone, not just to me.

    We're expected to use the paper map with hundreds of apartments and dozens
    of buildings, where the numbering system for buildings usually makes sense
    but not for the apartments. Sometimes we even need to visit parking spaces
    as we have vehicles parked which we have to put notices on where the
    numbers make no sense on purpose for security reasons.

    Once I find a given location, I've been using OSMand+ to save the current position. First off I'm surprised that OSMAnd+ doesn't have a "Save Current Location" option which I thought almost all map programs would have had.

    These apartments all have individual outside entrances so it's not like a
    hotel where you go down a long hallway to serially find the door number you need.

    So what I do is establish my current location & long press the blue dot.

    When I get to the right apartment door I step outside the entrance on the ground floor and press as close as I can on the blue location dot which
    pops up a "Looking up address" OSMAnd+ menu which usually gives the same address for all locations. Then I press the "Add" star and change the name
    to "Complex Bathroom" or "Complex Pool" or more commonly "ComplexBldgApt"
    such as "RedwoodApts Bldg15 Apt489" or "RedwoodApts Lot15 Spot489" or
    something like that.

    Once I've renamed the current pressed location, I hit Save and then I can navigate walking after that where OSM can talk me through the steps even
    when the phone is in my pocket and my hands are full.

    Having to fatfinger the location isn't as accurate as having a "Save
    Current Location" button would be but it's definitely good enough for government work as they say.

    When I need to navigate to a given spot I first point the phone north with
    a compass app because moving compass navigation directions aren't so easy
    when walking and then I orient the OSM map toward that heading to get my initial bearings of which way to start walking and about how far it will
    be. Usually I'm carrying tools or supplies so my hands are almost always
    full.

    That's all I need but I'm working with others from the local work to future group where everyone else wastes time trying to find the building & apt.

    What I want is take a jpeg picture of the paper colored apartment complex
    map which I can then hand to each person whose phone can then point to the location.

    All of that brings me to my question of how to make that jpeg gps map.

    Is there a way to put the gps coordinates onto a photo?

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  • From Guglielmo Marconi@21:1/5 to mark on Wed Sep 21 16:14:02 2022
    XPost: alt.satellite.gps, alt.internet.wireless

    In article <tgfap2$59l$1@gioia.aioe.org> , mark <mark@mark.edu> wrote:
    Is there a way to put the gps coordinates onto a photo?



    Hi Mark, happy to help here.

    First, you need to pull your fucking head out of your ass.

    Once your head is out your of your ass, take your camera and
    snap a photo of the coordinates on your GPS receiver. Voila!

    G Marconi

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  • From Jeff Liebermann@21:1/5 to mark on Wed Sep 21 09:34:38 2022
    XPost: alt.satellite.gps, alt.internet.wireless

    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 17:31:47 +0200, mark <mark@mark.edu> wrote:

    Is there a way to put the gps coordinates onto a photo?

    Will this work for you? <http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/Irfanview%20Insert%20Text.jpg>

    Install Irfanview viewer and plugs:
    <https://www.irfanview.com>

    Open a picture.

    Hit "e" on the keyboard. That should bring up the EXIF data.

    Highlight the EXIF data you want to insert using the mouse and the
    shift or control key.

    Right click the mouse and select "Copy selected lines to Clipboard" or
    hit "alt-S"

    Exit EXIF info window.

    One the picture, use the mouse frame an area where you want the text
    to appear.

    On the menu line above the picture, select:
    Edit -> Insert Text (ctrl-T)

    Hit <ctrl-V> to paste the text from the clipboard into the Text box.

    It should look something like this screen dump: <http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/Ifranview%20Insert%20Text%20Screen.jpg>

    Play with the options. Hit OK.

    Save the picture and you're done.


    --
    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
    Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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  • From curmudgeon@21:1/5 to mark on Wed Sep 21 17:29:22 2022
    XPost: alt.satellite.gps, alt.internet.wireless

    mark wrote at Wed, 21 Sep 2022 17:31:47 +0200 :

    Is there a way to put the gps coordinates onto a photo?

    I have Windows 10 and Android 11.
    I am working on a project with multiple very large apartment complexes.
    I have a paper colored apartment complex map for each complex.
    The map does not seem to be online so it's a paper handout.
    At each complex I'm expected to visit a set of given units each day for various reasons and all they give me is this paper map to find each unit.

    That works. But it's inefficient.
    They do this to everyone, not just to me.

    We're expected to use the paper map with hundreds of apartments and dozens
    of buildings, where the numbering system for buildings usually makes sense but not for the apartments. Sometimes we even need to visit parking spaces
    as we have vehicles parked which we have to put notices on where the
    numbers make no sense on purpose for security reasons.

    Once I find a given location, I've been using OSMand+ to save the current position. First off I'm surprised that OSMAnd+ doesn't have a "Save Current Location" option which I thought almost all map programs would have had.

    These apartments all have individual outside entrances so it's not like a hotel where you go down a long hallway to serially find the door number you need.

    So what I do is establish my current location & long press the blue dot.

    When I get to the right apartment door I step outside the entrance on the ground floor and press as close as I can on the blue location dot which
    pops up a "Looking up address" OSMAnd+ menu which usually gives the same address for all locations. Then I press the "Add" star and change the name
    to "Complex Bathroom" or "Complex Pool" or more commonly "ComplexBldgApt" such as "RedwoodApts Bldg15 Apt489" or "RedwoodApts Lot15 Spot489" or something like that.

    Once I've renamed the current pressed location, I hit Save and then I can navigate walking after that where OSM can talk me through the steps even
    when the phone is in my pocket and my hands are full.

    Having to fatfinger the location isn't as accurate as having a "Save
    Current Location" button would be but it's definitely good enough for government work as they say.

    When I need to navigate to a given spot I first point the phone north with
    a compass app because moving compass navigation directions aren't so easy when walking and then I orient the OSM map toward that heading to get my initial bearings of which way to start walking and about how far it will
    be. Usually I'm carrying tools or supplies so my hands are almost always full.

    That's all I need but I'm working with others from the local work to future group where everyone else wastes time trying to find the building & apt.

    What I want is take a jpeg picture of the paper colored apartment complex
    map which I can then hand to each person whose phone can then point to the location.

    All of that brings me to my question of how to make that jpeg gps map.

    Is there a way to put the gps coordinates onto a photo?

    I don't know if a georeferencing program exists on Windows or on Android
    for jpeg images but what you need for your jpeg is similar to what common georeferencing software does for a PDF to establish the coordinates for
    every point on the grid of the jpeg.
    https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/what-geopdfr

    Once you associate the coordinate grid onto that jpeg file, the map program will be able to navigate based on those reference points.

    Those talking about exif data don't understand how navigation works.

    It's common to georeference a PDF but a google search finds you can georeference an image also if you know what you're doing. https://mdl.library.utoronto.ca/technology/tutorials/how-georeference-images-arcgis

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  • From mark@21:1/5 to curmudgeon on Thu Sep 22 19:16:17 2022
    XPost: alt.satellite.gps, alt.internet.wireless

    curmudgeon <curmudgeon@spam.edu> wrote:
    curmudgeon <curmudgeon@spam.edu> wrote:

    Is there a way to put the gps coordinates onto a photo?

    I don't know if a georeferencing program exists on Windows or on Android
    for jpeg files but what you need for your jpeg is similar to what common georeferencing software does for a PDF to establish the coordinates for
    every point on the grid of the jpeg.
    https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/what-geopdfr

    Based on that reference, it looks like I need to find a program for Windows which will georeference the digital image so that the georeferenced
    digitial image can then be distributed to the team to be used for map app navigation on their phones.

    Once you associate the coordinate grid onto that jpeg file, the map program will be able to navigate based on those reference points.

    Those talking about exif data don't understand how navigation works.

    They got hung up on it being an image and they didn't read the rest of the question because the question has nothing to do with exif data.

    It's common to georeference a PDF but a google search finds you can georeference an image also if you know what you're doing. https://mdl.library.utoronto.ca/technology/tutorials/how-georeference-images-arcgis

    It may be impossible to georeference the jpeg but I can convert it to a pdf using windows irfanview conversion plugins.

    Once I have the georeferenced pdf, any good map navigatation program on the phone should be able to navigate using that georeferenced pdf as it's map.

    If I convert the digital image to a pdf, do you know of a windows program
    that can georeference that pdf?

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  • From Bernd Rose@21:1/5 to mark on Fri Sep 23 18:59:37 2022
    XPost: alt.satellite.gps, alt.internet.wireless

    On Thu, 22nd Sep 2022 19:16:17 +0200, mark wrote:

    curmudgeon <curmudgeon@spam.edu> wrote:
    [...]
    looks like I need to find a program for Windows which will georeference
    the digital image
    [...]
    It's common to georeference a PDF but a google search finds you can
    georeference an image also if you know what you're doing.
    https://mdl.library.utoronto.ca/technology/tutorials/how-georeference-images-arcgis

    It may be impossible to georeference the jpeg but I can convert it to a pdf using windows irfanview conversion plugins.

    Georeferencing images predates georeferencing of *.pdf files by decades.
    An excellent free GIS program for Windows (and other operating systems)
    capable of georeferencing is QGIS:

    https://www.qgis.org

    Here is a tutorial:

    http://www.qgistutorials.com/en/docs/3/georeferencing_basics.html

    F-Up set to sgs-n
    Bernd

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  • From curmudgeon@21:1/5 to Jeff Liebermann on Sat Sep 24 21:28:34 2022
    XPost: alt.satellite.gps, alt.internet.wireless

    Jeff Liebermann wrote at Wed, 21 Sep 2022 09:34:38 -0700 :

    Is there a way to put the gps coordinates onto a photo?

    Will this work for you? <http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/Irfanview%20Insert%20Text.jpg>

    Install Irfanview viewer and plugs:
    <https://www.irfanview.com>

    Open a picture.

    Hit "e" on the keyboard. That should bring up the EXIF data.

    Highlight the EXIF data you want to insert using the mouse and the
    shift or control key.

    Right click the mouse and select "Copy selected lines to Clipboard" or
    hit "alt-S"

    Exit EXIF info window.

    One the picture, use the mouse frame an area where you want the text
    to appear.

    On the menu line above the picture, select:
    Edit -> Insert Text (ctrl-T)

    Hit <ctrl-V> to paste the text from the clipboard into the Text box.

    It should look something like this screen dump: <http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/Ifranview%20Insert%20Text%20Screen.jpg>

    Play with the options. Hit OK.

    Save the picture and you're done.

    What the OP needs to do is assign a gps coordinate to each pixel in his/her raster images using XYZ tile layers for each zoom level.

    He/she probably will want to gather the coordinates for a few ground
    control points from OpenStreetMap. Using those selected ground control
    points he/she should use the free Windows QGIS version 3.20 or newer tools which have a built-in OpenStreetMap based nominatim geocoder to warp the
    image to his/her chosen coordinate reference system.

    Most likely he/she will choose the EPSG 3857 Pseudo Mercator as his/her
    target coordinate reference system with the polynomial 2 transformation
    type and LZW compression settings.

    A good tutorial for georeferencing JPG images with Windows QGIS3 is here. http://www.qgistutorials.com/en/docs/3/advanced_georeferencing.html

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  • From Lawrence Aracabia@21:1/5 to Guglielmo Marconi on Sun Sep 25 09:59:47 2022
    XPost: alt.satellite.gps, alt.internet.wireless

    Guglielmo Marconi <GMarconi@the.GPS-HelpGroup> wrote:

    take your camera and snap a photo of the coordinates on your GPS receiver.

    That can't work.

    But the op can download Google satellite image map tiles & OSM map tiles. https://github.com/AliFlux/MapTilesDownloader

    I would think those tiles would come with the georeferences already.

    But that free MapTilesDownloader utility from Ali Ashraf requires Python.
    Is Python on Android?

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  • From Erholt Rhein@21:1/5 to mark on Sat Oct 1 23:27:41 2022
    XPost: alt.satellite.gps, alt.internet.wireless

    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 17:31:47 +0200, mark wrote:

    Is there a way to put the gps coordinates onto a photo?

    I have Windows 10 and Android 11.
    I am working on a project with multiple very large apartment complexes.
    I have a paper colored apartment complex map for each complex.
    The map does not seem to be online so it's a paper handout.
    At each complex I'm expected to visit a set of given units each day for various reasons and all they give me is this paper map to find each unit.

    That works. But it's inefficient.
    They do this to everyone, not just to me.

    We're expected to use the paper map with hundreds of apartments and dozens
    of buildings, where the numbering system for buildings usually makes sense but not for the apartments. Sometimes we even need to visit parking spaces
    as we have vehicles parked which we have to put notices on where the
    numbers make no sense on purpose for security reasons.

    Once I find a given location, I've been using OSMand+ to save the current position. First off I'm surprised that OSMAnd+ doesn't have a "Save Current Location" option which I thought almost all map programs would have had.

    These apartments all have individual outside entrances so it's not like a hotel where you go down a long hallway to serially find the door number you need.

    So what I do is establish my current location & long press the blue dot.

    When I get to the right apartment door I step outside the entrance on the ground floor and press as close as I can on the blue location dot which
    pops up a "Looking up address" OSMAnd+ menu which usually gives the same address for all locations. Then I press the "Add" star and change the name
    to "Complex Bathroom" or "Complex Pool" or more commonly "ComplexBldgApt" such as "RedwoodApts Bldg15 Apt489" or "RedwoodApts Lot15 Spot489" or something like that.

    Once I've renamed the current pressed location, I hit Save and then I can navigate walking after that where OSM can talk me through the steps even
    when the phone is in my pocket and my hands are full.

    Having to fatfinger the location isn't as accurate as having a "Save
    Current Location" button would be but it's definitely good enough for government work as they say.

    When I need to navigate to a given spot I first point the phone north with
    a compass app because moving compass navigation directions aren't so easy when walking and then I orient the OSM map toward that heading to get my initial bearings of which way to start walking and about how far it will
    be. Usually I'm carrying tools or supplies so my hands are almost always full.

    That's all I need but I'm working with others from the local work to future group where everyone else wastes time trying to find the building & apt.

    What I want is take a jpeg picture of the paper colored apartment complex
    map which I can then hand to each person whose phone can then point to the location.

    All of that brings me to my question of how to make that jpeg gps map.

    Is there a way to put the gps coordinates onto a photo?

    The way I would add gps coordinates to every pixel in an image would be to
    use the free Adobe Acrobat product to turn the image into a geospatial pdf. https://acrobatusers.com/tutorials/print/how-create-geospatial-pdf/

    People do it all the time for navigating airport terminals for example. https://support.foreflight.com/hc/en-us/articles/360036971113-How-do-I-create-a-geospatial-PDF-

    Firefighters & emergency responders use EGP to add geospatial coordinates. https://www.nwcg.gov/publications/pms936-1/create-incident/geospatial-pdf

    But I'd use Adobe Acrobat since it's easy to edit the image as a PDF. https://acrobatusers.com/tutorials/how-create-geospatial-pdf/

    Most governments recommend navigation in the geoPDF in Android/iOS Avenza. https://idfg.idaho.gov/blog/2012/12/geospatial-pdf-how-create-geospatially-aware-pdf

    Avenza is limited to 3 active maps (although they can be combined). https://www.avenzamaps.com/maps/how-it-works.html

    If you need more than 3 active maps, use Android/iOS Paper Maps instead. https://www.paper-maps.com/

    An easy way to test how geopdfs work is to download them from the usgs. https://ngmdb.usgs.gov/topoview/viewer/#

    Zoom to the 24K/7.5-minute quadrangle of interest & download the geopdf.
    You can even choose historical geopdfs from the 1800's and 1900's.

    An example is this Grand Canyon geopdf to use in either of those two apps. https://prd-tnm.s3.amazonaws.com/StagedProducts/Maps/USTopo/PDF/AZ/AZ_King_Arthur_Castle_20210820_TM_geo.pdf

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  • From mark@21:1/5 to Erholt Rhein on Sun Oct 2 17:37:15 2022
    XPost: alt.satellite.gps, alt.internet.wireless

    On Sat, 1 Oct 2022 23:27:41 -0000 (UTC), Erholt Rhein wrote:

    But I'd use Adobe Acrobat since it's easy to edit the image as a PDF. https://acrobatusers.com/tutorials/how-create-geospatial-pdf/

    So far I'm failing miserably to create a geospatial PDF using Acrobat. https://get.adobe.com/reader/

    From these instructions it will only work with Acrobat 9 & above https://acrobatusers.com/tutorials/interacting-geospatial-pdfs/ https://helpx.adobe.com/acrobat/using/geospatial-pdfs.html

    But I think it needs the Acrobat Writer and not the Acrobat Reader. https://acrobatusers.com/tutorials/acrobat-and-reader-9-and-geospatial/

    I found the latest full offline Adobe Acrobat Reader installer here. https://get.adobe.com/reader/enterprise/ https://ardownload2.adobe.com/pub/adobe/reader/win/AcrobatDC/2200220191/AcroRdrDC2200220191_en_US.exe

    Does anyone know if the reader can create the geospatial PDFs?
    Or just the writer?

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  • From mark@21:1/5 to Bernd Rose on Sun Oct 2 17:37:07 2022
    On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 18:59:37 +0200, Bernd Rose wrote:

    Georeferencing images predates georeferencing of *.pdf files by decades.
    An excellent free GIS program for Windows (and other operating systems) capable of georeferencing is QGIS:

    https://www.qgis.org

    Here is a tutorial:

    http://www.qgistutorials.com/en/docs/3/georeferencing_basics.html

    So far I've been failing at everything I do but there's more to try.

    The main problem with QGIS is it won't work with the HP Stream 11 laptop. Nothing you can do that is below super human will get it to install.

    But I found a portable GIS version 6 that installs onto a removable drive. https://portablegis.xyz/
    https://download.astuntechnology.com/home/ (login=pgis,password=pgis) https://download.astuntechnology.com/home/portablegis_setup_v60.exe

    Do you think the tutorial will work with pgis instead?

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  • From mark@21:1/5 to Lawrence Aracabia on Sun Oct 2 17:37:17 2022
    XPost: alt.satellite.gps, alt.internet.wireless

    Lawrence Aracabia <LawrenceAracabia@Aracabia.com> wrote:

    But the op can download Google satellite image map tiles & OSM map tiles. https://github.com/AliFlux/MapTilesDownloader

    I would think those tiles would come with the georeferences already.

    I wasn't able to get that OSM tile downloader to work on Windows 10.

    But I found a way to download the apartment OSM map tile as an osm file. https://blog.richmond.edu/sal/2017/10/30/downloading-open-street-map-osm-data/

    From Windows you use the OSM web interface to export *.osm tiles. https://www.openstreetmap.org/export#map=18/{latitude}/{longitude}

    Then I converted that exported *.osm file to a series of SHP files. http://mygeodata.cloud/

    These SHP files are actually of a bunch of formats inside a zip archive. amenity_polygons-polygon.cpg
    amenity_polygons-polygon.dbf
    amenity_polygons-polygon.prj
    amenity_polygons-polygon.shp
    amenity_polygons-polygon.shx
    buildings-polygon.cpg
    buildings-polygon.dbf
    buildings-polygon.prj
    buildings-polygon.shp
    buildings-polygon.shx
    landcover-polygon.cpg
    landcover-polygon.dbf
    landcover-polygon.prj
    landcover-polygon.shp
    landcover-polygon.shx
    roads-line.cpg
    roads-line.dbf
    roads-line.prj
    roads-line.shp
    roads-line.shx

    If anyone knows what to do next, please let me know.

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  • From curmudgeon@21:1/5 to mark on Mon Oct 3 03:44:44 2022
    XPost: alt.satellite.gps, alt.internet.wireless

    mark wrote at Sun, 2 Oct 2022 17:37:17 -0000 (UTC) :

    But I found a way to download the apartment OSM map tile as an osm file. https://blog.richmond.edu/sal/2017/10/30/downloading-open-street-map-osm-data/

    From Windows you use the OSM web interface to export *.osm tiles. https://www.openstreetmap.org/export#map=18/{latitude}/{longitude}

    Then I converted that exported *.osm file to a series of SHP files. http://mygeodata.cloud/

    If anyone knows what to do next, please let me know.

    I've never done it but the OSM wiki says you can edit a local copy of an
    OSM map using either a JavaScript ID editor or a Java OSM editor (JOSM). https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Edit_maps

    I'd suggest the more powerful Java OSM (JOSM) editor over Javascript ID. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM

    The Windows 10 JOSM installer should be located at their home page. https://josm.openstreetmap.de/

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  • From curmudgeon@21:1/5 to mark on Mon Oct 3 03:45:47 2022
    mark wrote at Sun, 2 Oct 2022 17:37:07 -0000 (UTC) :

    But I found a portable GIS version 6 that installs onto a removable drive. https://portablegis.xyz/
    https://download.astuntechnology.com/home/ (login=pgis,password=pgis) https://download.astuntechnology.com/home/portablegis_setup_v60.exe

    Do you think the tutorial will work with pgis instead?

    They don't tell you at that portable gis https://portablegis.xyz/ web site
    that you first need to install Microsoft Visual C++ onto your system drive before any of the PGIS QGIS 3.4.7-Madeira Desktop Packages buttons will
    work on your laptop removable drives.

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  • From curmudgeon@21:1/5 to mark on Mon Oct 3 03:47:59 2022
    XPost: alt.satellite.gps, alt.internet.wireless

    mark wrote at Sun, 2 Oct 2022 17:37:15 -0000 (UTC) :

    But I think it maybe needs the Acrobat Writer and not the Acrobat Reader. https://acrobatusers.com/tutorials/acrobat-and-reader-9-and-geospatial/

    Does anyone know if the reader can create the geospatial PDFs?
    Or just the writer?

    My reader doesn't have the commands for importing the OSM shape files. Therefore I think you need the Adobe Acrobat Writer (not the reader).
    The writer costs money so you're better off with portable GIS or JOSM.

    It won't be as simple to set up as you might like it to be though as
    Portable GIS has a dependency on C++ and JOSM has a dependency on Java.

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  • From mark@21:1/5 to curmudgeon on Mon Oct 3 05:03:18 2022
    XPost: alt.satellite.gps, alt.internet.wireless

    curmudgeon <curmudgeon@spam.edu> wrote:

    It won't be as simple to set up as you might like it to be though as
    Portable GIS has a dependency on C++ and JOSM has a dependency on Java.

    I installed Microsoft Visual C++ 2015-2022 Redistributable x64 which didn't
    ask where to put it so I assume it went onto the almost full system drive. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-US/cpp/windows/latest-supported-vc-redist?view=msvc-170

    Then I installed portable GIS (pgis) onto the removable drive and the
    button for the Desktop Packages "QGIS" brought up QGIS 3.4.7 as stated. https://portablegis.xyz/

    The suggested tutorial is for a much older version of QGIS unfortunately. http://www.qgistutorials.com/en/docs/3/georeferencing_basics.html

    On my portable QGIS version 3.4.7, "Raster>Georeferencer" doesn't exist. Neither does "Layer>Georeferencer" so I gave up on that old tutorial.

    The QGIS interface is so complex that I need to look for a newer tutorial.

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  • From Bernd Rose@21:1/5 to mark on Mon Oct 3 09:12:02 2022
    On Sun, 2nd Oct 2022 17:37:07 -0000 (UTC), mark wrote:

    The main problem with QGIS is it won't work with the HP Stream 11 laptop.

    This "laptop" has less system resources than most smartphones. It runs
    Windows in a protected (app-only) S mode. QGIS, OTOH, is a desktop program.
    You should be able to switch Windows from S-Mode to normal mode without additional costs. But beware, you are /not/ able to reverse this decision!
    In normal Windows mode, some system protections are switched off, which
    leads to this "laptop" being not eligible for certain usage scenarios,
    anymore, like using it in educational exams.

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/switching-out-of-s-mode-in-windows-4f56d9be-99ec-6983-119f-031bfb28a307

    Be this as it may: The "laptop" in addition does not meet QGIS minimum
    system requirements for RAM and the like. It /may/ be possible to install
    and use QGIS, nevertheless. But /if/ it does work, everything will be
    painfully slow. (GIS software is usually a domain of workstations and
    not mere pocket calculators...)

    I found a portable GIS version 6 that installs onto a removable drive
    [...]
    Do you think the tutorial will work with pgis instead?

    Why not? Portable GIS just copies a normal QGIS installation folder (and
    a lot more programs, you don't actually need for georeferencing images)
    and adjusts some path entries and the like.

    Bernd

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  • From Bernd Rose@21:1/5 to mark on Mon Oct 3 09:14:54 2022
    XPost: alt.satellite.gps, alt.internet.wireless

    On Sun, 2nd Oct 2022 17:37:17 -0000 (UTC), mark wrote:

    I wasn't able to get that OSM tile downloader to work on Windows 10.

    If you get QGIS up and running, you can embed OSM inside your maps and
    export OSM data to other formats, like shapefiles.

    F-Up set to sgs-n
    Bernd

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  • From mark@21:1/5 to Bernd Rose on Mon Oct 3 13:48:07 2022
    Bernd Rose <b.rose.tmpbox@arcor.de> wrote:

    If you get QGIS up and running, you can embed OSM inside your maps and
    export OSM data to other formats, like shapefiles.

    The setup, so far, has been horrific but I've been making progress.

    At first QGIS wouldn't install on the system drive (too little space on the 32GB HP Stream 11) and then GQIS wouldn't install on the ten times larger removable drive, and then when portable GIS (pgis) was installed, the QGIS button inside of PGIS would error looking for a DLL which turned out to be
    due to the absence of C++ runtime libraries.

    Now that QGIS 3.4 Madeira is running as a portable app on my puny travel laptop, I followed this youtube tutorial, but I'm finding youtube tutorials
    fly by too fast to catch the keyboard presses so I'm stuck at a point that
    I need help to overcome. https://youtu.be/jKLBFddpTGI

    There were some hurdles that I only found the solution to in the comments
    (such as the Georeference plugin command not showing up initially), but I
    think that tutorial "should" suffice but he moves too fast without
    referencing what keyboard or commands he's activating.
    (a) I loaded the OSM georeferenced map
    (b) I loaded my PDF map which is not georeferenced yet
    (c) I created a half dozen georeferenced common points on both maps
    using the suggested transformation and coordinate system.

    Where I'm stuck is at time point https://youtu.be/jKLBFddpTGI?t=660
    I can't tell what he's using on each of the ten referenced points.

    For me, those ten referenced points would be ten apartments so the step he glossed over too quickly for me to catch is probably an important step.

    No matter how many times I watch the video I can't figure out what he did.
    But on my own, I saved the results at that time point any way that I could.

    Now that I've run the georeference to create the *.qgs or *.qgz result, I
    don't know what the next step is.

    I tried loading the *.qgs or *.qgz result into OSMAnd+ but apparently
    OSMAnd+ can't use local maps.

    They keep talking about "shapefiles" but I don't know what that means.

    When I loaded the results into Avenza, the current location was slightly
    off the map so somehow the georeferencing is slightly off.

    What I need is a TEXT (not video!) tutorial for QGIS 3.4 that shows how to georeference a PDF or JPEG for use inside of a map app like Avenza.

    I am already at the point where I created the GCPs.
    But I am stuck at what I save and what I load into an Android map program.

    Any explanation of what "Shapefiles" are used for in my application would
    be useful. Also any explanation of what I have to save the file as to use inside an Android navigation program would also be useful.

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  • From Bernd Rose@21:1/5 to mark on Mon Oct 3 18:06:42 2022
    On Mon, 3rd Oct 2022 13:48:07 -0000 (UTC), mark wrote:

    What I need is a TEXT (not video!) tutorial for QGIS 3.4 that shows how to georeference a PDF or JPEG

    I linked you to one a week ago:
    Message-ID: <1us8biu0iol71.dlg@b.rose.tmpbox.news.arcor.de>
    | http://www.qgistutorials.com/en/docs/3/georeferencing_basics.html

    A couple of days later, curmudgeon linked you to an advanced one, which
    you probably should omit first, until you understood the basics.
    Message-ID: <tgovv3$113f$1@gioia.aioe.org> http://www.qgistutorials.com/en/docs/3/advanced_georeferencing.html

    Having said this, your image needs most likely georeferencing methods
    from the advanced portfolio. But without the basics you'll probably
    get lost in the advanced tutorial.

    It is important to emphasize, that ground control points should be
    clearly positionable. If you are unsure, whether a coordinate of your
    image /really/ is identical to a point of an already georeferenced
    map layer, choose another one. And try to wide-spread the ground
    control points on the whole image. A couple of points with short
    distances between each other will provide good coordinates just for
    the included area. Everything outside will most likely deviate.

    If the source image is not distorted, choose a simple transformation
    algorithm (like linear), if possible. Higher level algorithms try to
    correct distortion and are most likely to insert a distortion not
    present in the original image.

    I am stuck at what I save and what I load into an Android map program.

    You mentioned OSMAnd. This program will load points (for example a
    point shape digitized on your georeferenced image) converted to Points
    of Interest (POI). These can be selected as navigation target and can
    carry a remarks field for additional information.

    From your promiscuous OP I'm not sure, whether georeferencing really
    /is/ the best approach for your needs.

    You can add Open Street Map WMS layers to your map project:

    https://wms.openstreetmap.de/wms?

    and digitize your points on top of them as point shape or the like.
    Or you can download parts of the OMS data for offline usage:

    http://www.qgistutorials.com/en/docs/3/downloading_osm_data.html

    Another way would be to create a map project with QGIS for use with
    QField on a smartphone. Search for QField in the app store of your
    smartphone or get binary packages from here:

    https://github.com/opengisch/QField/releases

    You can add map background data (OSM, aerials, topo maps, georeferenced
    images, shapefiles,...) and digitize the points directly in the field
    by adding points either manually or per GPS. Later on, you can re-import
    the point shape to QGIS and export them to POI's for OSMAnd and the like.

    Bernd

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  • From curmudgeon@21:1/5 to mark on Tue Oct 4 02:12:59 2022
    XPost: alt.satellite.gps, alt.internet.wireless

    mark wrote at Mon, 3 Oct 2022 05:03:18 -0000 (UTC) :

    The QGIS interface is so complex that I need to look for a newer tutorial.

    You've invested so much into QGIS you should most likely keep going until
    you succeed, but if you find the need to give up on QGIS, Ozi Explorer
    works too for georeferencing map files on Windows 10 computers.

    OziExplorer GPS Mapping Software which runs on your PC or laptop and will
    work with Garmin, Magellan, Lowrance, Eagle, Brunton/Silva and MLR GPS receivers for the upload/download of waypoints, routes and tracks and most brand of GPS receivers for real time tracking of GPS position (Moving Map). https://www.oziexplorer4.com/eng/oziexplorer.html

    By some accounts Ozi Explorer is way better than QGIS but I can't speak for either one based on my lack of personal experience.

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  • From mark@21:1/5 to Bernd Rose on Tue Oct 4 02:00:50 2022
    Bernd Rose <b.rose.tmpbox@arcor.de> wrote:

    I wasn't able to get that OSM tile downloader to work on Windows 10.

    If you get QGIS up and running, you can embed OSM inside your maps and
    export OSM data to other formats, like shapefiles.

    I was able to create shapefiles but I don't know what to do with them.

    As I said in another post, I used the Firefox browser OSM web interface to export *.osm tiles. https://www.openstreetmap.org/export#map=18/{latitude}/{longitude}

    Then I converted that exported *.osm file to a series of SHP files. http://mygeodata.cloud/

    These SHP files are actually of a bunch of formats inside a zip archive. amenity_polygons-polygon.cpg
    amenity_polygons-polygon.dbf
    amenity_polygons-polygon.prj
    amenity_polygons-polygon.shp
    amenity_polygons-polygon.shx
    buildings-polygon.cpg
    buildings-polygon.dbf
    buildings-polygon.prj
    buildings-polygon.shp
    buildings-polygon.shx
    landcover-polygon.cpg
    landcover-polygon.dbf
    landcover-polygon.prj
    landcover-polygon.shp
    landcover-polygon.shx
    roads-line.cpg
    roads-line.dbf
    roads-line.prj
    roads-line.shp
    roads-line.shx

    If anyone knows what to do next, please let me know.

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  • From mark@21:1/5 to Bernd Rose on Tue Oct 4 02:08:11 2022
    Bernd Rose <b.rose.tmpbox@arcor.de> wrote:

    This "laptop" has less system resources than most smartphones.

    The underpowered laptop was given to me when I last traveled.
    I use it only to travel with as it's puny and it lasts a while on battery.

    The main problem is the C drive is permanently 32GB.
    QGIS refuses to install on the C drive but it won't tell you why.
    QGIS refuses to install on the D drive too and also refuses to say why.
    Even PGIS won't run QGIS at first but at least it errors out for a missing
    set of DLLs which I reverse traced to C++ which when installed, made it
    work.

    So now everything is working but it took a few days elapsed time due to the debugging that I had to do as nowhere does anyone warn me about what I ran
    into so I had to be the first person to find all these things out before I could get QGIS 3.4 Madeira working.

    It runs Windows in a protected (app-only) S mode.

    It came as Windows S mode but it switched to Windows 10 Home easily.

    QGIS, OTOH, is a desktop program.
    You should be able to switch Windows from S-Mode to normal mode without additional costs. But beware, you are /not/ able to reverse this decision!

    Don't worry. I don't want S mode. Nobody does.
    QGIS is now working as a portable app.
    That was a problem learning how to do that but I'm past that hurdle now.

    In normal Windows mode, some system protections are switched off, which
    leads to this "laptop" being not eligible for certain usage scenarios, anymore, like using it in educational exams.

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/switching-out-of-s-mode-in-windows-4f56d9be-99ec-6983-119f-031bfb28a307

    Be this as it may: The "laptop" in addition does not meet QGIS minimum
    system requirements for RAM and the like. It /may/ be possible to install
    and use QGIS, nevertheless. But /if/ it does work, everything will be painfully slow. (GIS software is usually a domain of workstations and
    not mere pocket calculators...)

    Yes. It's slow. But what I want to do is simple.
    I just want to georeference a map of the apartment complex.
    I'm almost done but I have a hurdle at the moment.

    When I georeferenced it, the location was off by about 100 yards.
    And I haven't been able to add the apartment complex POIs yet.

    Without that I can't route to them in Avenza or whatever.

    I found a portable GIS version 6 that installs onto a removable drive
    [...]
    Do you think the tutorial will work with pgis instead?

    Why not? Portable GIS just copies a normal QGIS installation folder (and
    a lot more programs, you don't actually need for georeferencing images)
    and adjusts some path entries and the like.

    The portable GIS is working fine, albeit it's slow due to the laptop.

    And nobody tells you that there's a trick to getting the georeference menu
    to show up (I'm still not sure exactly what I did to make it show up).

    I did something with the "Georeference GDAL" plugin and then I punched something else, and only after a while did the georeference menu show up (I wish people would put that stuff in their tutorials since you only have to
    do it once - but if you don't know to do it - you don't get the menu).

    So it has been confusing to say the least but I'm on track as I have a georeferenced map of the apartment complex but for some reason the location
    is off by about a hundred yards.

    Also I don't understand what a "shape" file is.
    All I really want is a good tutorial that georeferences an image or PDF.

    The only issue now is finding a proper written tutorial for QGIS 3.4
    Madeira at this point, which doesn't skip all the steps a noob wouldn't
    know.

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  • From mark@21:1/5 to Bernd Rose on Tue Oct 4 01:42:20 2022
    Bernd Rose <b.rose.tmpbox@arcor.de> wrote:

    What I need is a TEXT (not video!) tutorial for QGIS 3.4 that shows how to >> georeference a PDF or JPEG

    I linked you to one a week ago:
    Message-ID: <1us8biu0iol71.dlg@b.rose.tmpbox.news.arcor.de>
    | http://www.qgistutorials.com/en/docs/3/georeferencing_basics.html

    Yes. You did. And it failed. Miserably. Horribly so it failed.

    Rest assured I tried EVERY SINGLE THING that good people suggested that
    made sense, from Adobe Acrobat to QGIS.

    The reason that tutorial you had suggested failed utterly miserably was
    because of a few hurdles which have been surmounted since then... so I
    should give it another chance.

    But rest assured I tried it, but remember I had an immense problem
    installing QGIS (which is so badly written that it doesn't even tell you
    WHY it won't install when I told it to install onto the D drive).

    I don't blame you because of their badly written installer - but it was a hurdle that I had to overcome without any reason whatsoever given by the
    badly written QGIS installer.

    Then I ran into the badly written portable GIS installer, which was almost
    as badly written as the QGIS installer in that it didn't say WHY it failed
    but luckily it failed due to a set of missing DLLs which when reverse
    traced, I guessed that they were needed for C++ but remember that was a
    guess.

    I had no idea if my guess was correct.
    I had no idea which version of C++ it needed even if my guess was correct.

    Luckily, it turned out that the C++ I installed worked but that wasn't the
    end of the badly written tutorials in that the georeference menu DOES NOT
    SHOW UP until you enable a plugin (the Georeference GDAL plugin).

    The tutorial you pointed me to did NOT say that (as I recall), so it's a
    badly written tutorial for a beginner. When I got to that point of the menu
    not even existing, I gave up on the tutorial that you had referenced.

    But please don't blame me for badly written tutorials & installers.

    Most others would have given up long ago I suspect but I kept trying as I
    know you are a respected posted (I looked at your posts in other threads,
    some on the newsreader newsgroup where you're highly respected).

    Now that I have surmounted most of those hurdles, none of which are covered
    in the tutorials, I should be able to return to that tutorial as long as
    the menus aren't too different from the version I have installed (QGIS
    3.4).


    A couple of days later, curmudgeon linked you to an advanced one, which
    you probably should omit first, until you understood the basics.
    Message-ID: <tgovv3$113f$1@gioia.aioe.org> http://www.qgistutorials.com/en/docs/3/advanced_georeferencing.html

    I've been testing out EVERY suggestion, but as you noted, there's a steep learning curve which hits the beginner in the badly written installers and badly written tutorials that don't tell the beginner they have to load a
    plugin in order to get the menu to show up and even then, the menu shows up much later by magic (I still don't know what made it turn on).

    But I do have the georeference menu now and I've used it and it seems to
    work so I'd say I'm one half the way there to success.

    A lot of the problem is I don't know what they want me to do, since all I really want is a map of an apartment complex that I can route inside of
    OSMand or inside of the Avenza or Paper Maps Android & iOS apps.

    Having said this, your image needs most likely georeferencing methods
    from the advanced portfolio. But without the basics you'll probably
    get lost in the advanced tutorial.

    What is disturbing about all the tutorials so far is they skip important
    steps (e.g., they skip that you have to load a plugin before the menus show up).


    It is important to emphasize, that ground control points should be
    clearly positionable. If you are unsure, whether a coordinate of your
    image /really/ is identical to a point of an already georeferenced
    map layer, choose another one.

    This may be the problem since I went through the mechanics to assign five
    or six GCPs from the OSM map and my apartment complex map. I chose the
    center of the pool and the corner of a building and the intersection of two cross walks, etc.

    I guess what you're saying, and if I guess wrong please correct me, I guess you're saying some points are less reliable than others. So a reliable
    point, for example, might be the center of an intersection more so than the center of a pool. Is that what you're trying to warn me about?

    And try to wide-spread the ground
    control points on the whole image. A couple of points with short
    distances between each other will provide good coordinates just for
    the included area. Everything outside will most likely deviate.

    I did try to pick a GCP on each corner of the apartment complex map and in
    the middle where the pool was, but what I can easily do is add a dozen GCPs since they're easily enough created.

    My problem is what do I do AFTER I create the GCPs and run the georeference command on the suggested transformation and datum?

    What format do I save map in that OSMAnd and/or Avenza will read and allow
    me to navigate on? And how do I save the apartment numbers on the map so
    that I can route to them on foot?


    If the source image is not distorted, choose a simple transformation algorithm (like linear), if possible. Higher level algorithms try to
    correct distortion and are most likely to insert a distortion not
    present in the original image.

    I did choose linear. I don't know enough to change it anyway so I'll use whatever the transformation the tutorial suggests.


    I am stuck at what I save and what I load into an Android map program.

    You mentioned OSMAnd. This program will load points (for example a
    point shape digitized on your georeferenced image) converted to Points
    of Interest (POI). These can be selected as navigation target and can
    carry a remarks field for additional information.

    THANK YOU FOR THAT HINT. In the end I have to hand this map to other people
    who will be using OSMAnd or Avenza to navigate around the apartment
    complex.

    If I can find a tutorial that does exactly that, I will be golden!


    From your promiscuous OP I'm not sure, whether georeferencing really
    /is/ the best approach for your needs.

    You can add Open Street Map WMS layers to your map project:

    https://wms.openstreetmap.de/wms?

    and digitize your points on top of them as point shape or the like.
    Or you can download parts of the OMS data for offline usage:

    http://www.qgistutorials.com/en/docs/3/downloading_osm_data.html

    Hmmm... If there's another way, I need to explore it as I _tried_ to create
    a LOCAL (custom) map in OSMAnd and failed.

    If I could just create a local map that isn't on the Internet, I'd be fine since OSMAnd has the apartment buildings & pool (Google Maps does not).


    Another way would be to create a map project with QGIS for use with
    QField on a smartphone. Search for QField in the app store of your
    smartphone or get binary packages from here:

    https://github.com/opengisch/QField/releases

    I'm on Android but the others can be on iOS too.
    I never heard of QField before so I thank you for that suggestion. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ch.opengis.qfield

    I installed it and it asked me to open a local file so I'll need to take
    some time to figure out how it can help me route on foot in an apartment complex.


    You can add map background data (OSM, aerials, topo maps, georeferenced images, shapefiles,...) and digitize the points directly in the field
    by adding points either manually or per GPS. Later on, you can re-import
    the point shape to QGIS and export them to POI's for OSMAnd and the like.

    I'm not sure if I understand any of that yet but what I will do is continue
    to try to find a tutorial that doesn't skip critical steps in walking a
    noob through the steps of geofereferencing a apartment complex map (which I think I have done but it's in a QGIS format currently called QGS and QGZ).

    What I want is to use that output inside of OSMAnd or Avenza or Paper Maps
    to route, on foot, from one apartment to another in the apartment complex.

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  • From Bernd Rose@21:1/5 to mark on Tue Oct 4 08:52:08 2022
    On Tue, 4rd Oct 2022 02:00:50 -0000 (UTC), mark wrote:

    [OSM]
    I was able to create shapefiles but I don't know what to do with them.
    [...]
    If anyone knows what to do next, please let me know.

    Load them in QGIS as base map for georeferencing your image. You can use
    any other georeferenced GIS data from the area in question. OSM is just
    an obvious choice of free and usually fairly exact GIS data.

    Bernd

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  • From Bernd Rose@21:1/5 to mark on Tue Oct 4 08:58:35 2022
    On Tue, 4rd Oct 2022 02:08:11 -0000 (UTC), mark wrote:

    When I georeferenced it, the location was off by about 100 yards.

    Maybe a wrong projection setting. You need both, the QGIS map projection (containing the georeferenced base map) and the georeferencer target
    projection set to EPSG:4326 (WGS84), which is the standard projection
    for OSM and GPS coordinates.

    And I haven't been able to add the apartment complex POIs yet.

    You need to create an empty point layer (e.g. point shape) and digitize
    the points into this layer. Afterwards, convert this point layer to POI.

    And nobody tells you that there's a trick to getting the georeference menu
    to show up (I'm still not sure exactly what I did to make it show up).

    I did something with the "Georeference GDAL" plugin and then I punched something else, and only after a while did the georeference menu show up (I wish people would put that stuff in their tutorials since you only have to
    do it once - but if you don't know to do it - you don't get the menu).

    Nothing to do with GDAL /or/ plugins. After you set up the map containing georeferenced layers in QGIS as base for getting the correct coordinates
    for your to-be-georeferenced image, you select the <Georeferencer...> from <Layer> menu. Then you load the image you whish to georeference into the Georeferencer and adjust the settings (projection, transformation method),
    if necessary.

    In a next step you select the <Add Point> icon in the Georeferencer and
    click in the image at one point you expect to /very correctly/ identify
    on your base map in QGIS. Now a dialog opens, where you /could/ manually
    enter the coordinates. Instead, you select <From map Canvas>. (While
    auto-hide of the Georeferencer window is ticked on.)

    Please note: To avoid the necessity for zooming and/or panning, it is a
    good idea to zoom the base map to the whole extent of your image /before/ starting the Georeferencer.

    Now you see the QGIS base map. Click there on the /exact/ position that
    matches the position previously chosen in the Georeferencer. You get the coordinates into the coordinate edit dialog window and close this with <OK>. Now you have your first reference point. Proceed, until you have at least
    4 points with low "residuals". Then you can execute <Start Georeferencing>. Please note: 2 points would be enough for linear referencing. But you
    don't get residuals calculated this way and therefore have no source of possible error detection.

    Bernd

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  • From Bernd Rose@21:1/5 to mark on Tue Oct 4 09:26:23 2022
    On Tue, 4rd Oct 2022 01:42:20 -0000 (UTC), mark wrote:

    But please don't blame me for badly written tutorials & installers.

    The QGIS installer works just fine. Your "laptop" is simply unfit to host
    such a complex GIS program. GIS is by default very resource hungry. If not
    just applied to very trivial maps with only few objects, the calculations
    (= computing power) and memory (= RAM, fixed storage) for correctly positioning, attributing, and overlaying each and every vertex or pixel
    are immens. (About a month ago I had a workstation running transformation
    of a set of aerials for more than 10 days...)

    Apart from this, I don't understand, why you still mutter about install problems after you got this sorted out. Do you really think, we want to
    read about your self-inflicted problems over and over again??

    The tutorials you bad-mouth are fine. I guess, you just tried to apply
    them directly to your usage case. You should have taken your time to
    follow both tutorials step by step. (Ensuring, you understood each and
    every point.) Afterwards, adjusting the knowledge to your usage scenario
    would have been trouble-free.

    [GCP selection]
    I guess what you're saying, and if I guess wrong please correct me, I guess you're saying some points are less reliable than others. So a reliable
    point, for example, might be the center of an intersection more so than the center of a pool. Is that what you're trying to warn me about?

    Yes.

    I did try to pick a GCP on each corner of the apartment complex map and in the middle where the pool was, but what I can easily do is add a dozen GCPs since they're easily enough created.

    Class is much more important than mass. And have a look at the "residuals" values. Huge values indicate incorrect point identity between the image and reality (aka your - hopefully correct - base map).

    My problem is what do I do AFTER I create the GCPs and run the georeference command on the suggested transformation and datum?

    What format do I save map in that OSMAnd and/or Avenza will read and allow
    me to navigate on? And how do I save the apartment numbers on the map so
    that I can route to them on foot?

    You don't route the image. Instead you load your (now georeferenced) image
    into the base map. It should show up in the correct position compared to
    the already loaded layers in that base map. Now you create an additional
    point layer (point shapefile) in your base map and "digitize" points into
    that layers. You choose the point position according to the information of
    the image. If the image contains no additional information compared to the
    OSM (or other) base layers, the whole prior georeferencing process was
    mood. You could have started without the image right away.

    [Point shape to POI]
    THANK YOU FOR THAT HINT. In the end I have to hand this map to other people who will be using OSMAnd or Avenza to navigate around the apartment
    complex.

    If I can find a tutorial that does exactly that, I will be golden!

    Right click on the point layer in the layer overview pane and choose
    <Export>. Target format will be GPX, which can be imported to OSMAnd.

    Bernd

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  • From Bernd Rose@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 4 18:13:10 2022
    XPost: alt.satellite.gps, alt.internet.wireless

    On Wed, 21rd Sep 2022 17:31:47 +0200, mark wrote:

    I meant to address this from the beginning and unfortunately forgot while reading through your very long OP:
    I'm surprised that OSMAnd+ doesn't have a "Save Current Location" option

    Point positions can be saved in OSMAnd as markers by long clicking on any
    point in the map:
    https://osmand.net/docs/user/personal/markers

    Zoom sufficiently deep into the map, beforehand, to ensure the required accuracy. Label name (= info) and style can be adjusted in the AddMarker dialog.

    These markers can either be exported to a *.gpx file from MyPlaces menu:
    Click on the icon with 3 linked dots and choose a file manager like TotalCommander as target.

    Alternatively, you can use Backup&Restore from the Settings menu. Select
    "local backup -> save as file". Then open the MyPlaces drop-down list and
    tick on Favorites. "Continue" and, again, select a file manager als target.
    Now the *.gpx file will be saved inside a *.zip-file named *.osf. (Rename
    it to *.zip, if you want to access the content with any *.zip browser.) Alongside the *.gpx will be a *.json file with some additional info.

    You have to check, whether my information for markers and favorites need
    to be exchanged. (Especially wrt. exporting.) I use the German version of OSMAnd and there seem to be translation issues, mixing both point features
    up, sometimes...

    F-Up set to sgs-n
    Bernd

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  • From mark@21:1/5 to Bernd Rose on Sat Oct 8 02:37:22 2022
    Bernd Rose <b.rose.tmpbox@arcor.de> wrote:

    I meant to address this from the beginning and unfortunately forgot while reading through your very long OP:
    I'm surprised that OSMAnd+ doesn't have a "Save Current Location" option

    Point positions can be saved in OSMAnd as markers by long clicking on any point in the map:
    https://osmand.net/docs/user/personal/markers

    I appreciate that you addressed the OSMAnd flaw given I mentioned it a few times, and give other navigation programs have this basic feature that
    OSMAnd lacks.


    Zoom sufficiently deep into the map, beforehand, to ensure the required accuracy. Label name (= info) and style can be adjusted in the AddMarker dialog.

    As I said when I posted the flaw in OSMAnd that it can't save the current position, there are always these workaround kluges, which I've been using.

    These markers can either be exported to a *.gpx file from MyPlaces menu: Click on the icon with 3 linked dots and choose a file manager like TotalCommander as target.

    The flaw in OSMAnd is that you can't just save the current position.
    You have to pick a point on the map. That's the flaw.
    The current location saved is only as good as your fat finger is.

    Other free nav programs have a menu selection to "Save Current Position."

    Alternatively, you can use Backup&Restore from the Settings menu. Select "local backup -> save as file". Then open the MyPlaces drop-down list and tick on Favorites. "Continue" and, again, select a file manager als target. Now the *.gpx file will be saved inside a *.zip-file named *.osf. (Rename
    it to *.zip, if you want to access the content with any *.zip browser.) Alongside the *.gpx will be a *.json file with some additional info.

    You have to check, whether my information for markers and favorites need
    to be exchanged. (Especially wrt. exporting.) I use the German version of OSMAnd and there seem to be translation issues, mixing both point features up, sometimes...

    I appreciate your advice on saving a *.gpx file, and I also want to say
    that I haven't had a chance yet to finish georeferencing apartment PDFs.

    When I get around to it, I'll report back what happened and how.
    I do appreciate your help as this georeferencing is a new language.

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  • From Bernd Rose@21:1/5 to mark on Sat Oct 8 07:57:23 2022
    On Sat, 8th Oct 2022 02:37:22 -0000 (UTC), mark wrote:

    [Set OSMAnd position marker]
    Zoom sufficiently deep into the map, beforehand, to ensure the required
    accuracy. Label name (= info) and style can be adjusted in the AddMarker
    dialog.

    As I said when I posted the flaw in OSMAnd that it can't save the current position, there are always these workaround kluges, which I've been using.

    These markers can either be exported to a *.gpx file from MyPlaces menu:
    Click on the icon with 3 linked dots and choose a file manager like
    TotalCommander as target.

    The flaw in OSMAnd is that you can't just save the current position.
    You have to pick a point on the map. That's the flaw.
    The current location saved is only as good as your fat finger is.

    Other free nav programs have a menu selection to "Save Current Position."

    I, myself, would always prefer to manually set the marker on the map with
    a sufficiently deep zoom level. If the basis map is well enough, this
    enables you to overcome uncertainties and inaccuracies from the current
    GPS position by evaluating the position /and/ the map data against your
    real surroundings. (The device running your OSMAnd will most likely have
    just a consumer level GNSS with rather large average positioning error.)

    Be this as it may: If you /really/ want the marker to be set on the current
    GPS position (provided, an active GPS position is acquired at that moment),
    you just need to long-press on the blue round GPS-center button on the
    right bottom of the screen. This opens the MyPosition dialog, which shows
    info about the current position. Apart from this, there is a star-icon
    in the menu of this dialog, which enables you to set a marker exactly on
    the current GPS location.

    Bernd

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  • From mark@21:1/5 to Bernd Rose on Sun Oct 9 19:54:27 2022
    Bernd Rose <b.rose.tmpbox@arcor.de> wrote:

    Other free nav programs have a menu selection to "Save Current Position."

    I, myself, would always prefer to manually set the marker on the map with
    a sufficiently deep zoom level.

    My initial frustration was that I couldn't believe that OSMAnd didn't have
    the basic ability to "Save current position" with a single button tap.

    If the basis map is well enough, this
    enables you to overcome uncertainties and inaccuracies from the current
    GPS position by evaluating the position /and/ the map data against your
    real surroundings. (The device running your OSMAnd will most likely have
    just a consumer level GNSS with rather large average positioning error.)

    I agree without argument that zooming to save a position more accurately
    (and then bouncing back up the levels) works OK and I would have used that method as a workaround if I hadn't read your next sentence on long pressing
    on the current location blue circle at the bottom right of the screen.

    Be this as it may: If you /really/ want the marker to be set on the current GPS position (provided, an active GPS position is acquired at that moment), you just need to long-press on the blue round GPS-center button on the
    right bottom of the screen.

    OMG! Who knew! That's what I was looking for! It's a (hidden) "Save Current Location" button. Right there on my screen. How did I miss that!

    This opens the MyPosition dialog, which shows
    info about the current position. Apart from this, there is a star-icon
    in the menu of this dialog, which enables you to set a marker exactly on
    the current GPS location.

    That's EXACTLY what I was asking for!
    How did you find it?

    It's not intuitive (unless you already know it) that there is no specific
    "Save current position" button, but it's easy to remember (once you know
    it) that all you have to do to save the current position is long press on
    the blue location icon at the bottom right of the OSMAnd screen!

    I appreciate your advice as I've seen how you help people (mostly Dialog
    users) on the newsreader group, and I appreciate your accuracy.

    Thank you for finding that (hidden) solution to the "Save Current Location"
    in OSMAnd, where I've still been working too hard lately on the apartment project to complete the geolocation of the PDF maps.

    What I will do is try to follow that first tutorial you referenced (even
    though I think it's for an earlier version of QGIS) and I will write back
    with the end result. As you're well aware, it takes a while because you
    have to know a little bit about how QGIS and specifically how
    georeferencing works in order to choose the correct switches and sequences (which is why I was seeking a step by step tutorial).

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  • From mark@21:1/5 to mark on Sun Oct 9 19:59:22 2022
    XPost: alt.satellite.gps, alt.internet.wireless

    mark <mark@mark.edu> wrote:

    Once I find a given location, I've been using OSMand+ to save the current position. First off I'm surprised that OSMAnd+ doesn't have a "Save Current Location" option which I thought almost all map programs would have had.

    To close the loop on this seemingly missing basic functionality to "Save current location" without needing to zoom and fatfinger the spot, Bernd
    Rose wrote the following about where OSMAnd put that (hidden) feature.

    If you /really/ want the marker to be set on the current
    GPS position (provided, an active GPS position is acquired at that moment), you just need to long-press on the blue round GPS-center button on the right bottom of the screen.

    It's not intuitive to long press on the blue GPS-center button to get a
    menu to save the current location, but once you know how, it works great.

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  • From Bernd Rose@21:1/5 to mark on Mon Oct 10 19:22:30 2022
    On Sun, 9th Oct 2022 19:54:27 -0000 (UTC), mark wrote:

    Bernd Rose <b.rose.tmpbox@arcor.de> wrote:
    [Long-press GPS-center button for MyPosition dialog with "add marker" menu]
    That's EXACTLY what I was asking for!
    How did you find it?

    I've been using this method to get MyPosition information for years.

    What I will do is try to follow that first tutorial you referenced (even though I think it's for an earlier version of QGIS) and I will write back with the end result.

    The tutorial is for the current major release of QGIS. Some changes for
    more current QGIS minor versions are noted, like "Georeferencing" being transferred from the Raster menu to the Layer menu.

    Please use the basic tutorial I linked to, to understand the gist of using these QGIS functions. Then follow the link on the top of the website to the "Georeferencing Aerial Imagery (QGIS3)" page (= the one, curmudgeon linked
    you to) and work it through as well. Afterwards, applying the knowledge to
    your usage case should be easy.

    Bernd

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