• Two Future ICE-ages between 0 - 30000 years are cancelled due to fossil

    From Hannu Poropudas@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 8 00:59:49 2022
    Astronomical Climate Index Reference:

    Matthews, J.V. Jr., 1984.
    The astronomical climatic index and its value for predicting
    future climate.
    Atomic Energy Canada, Limitted.
    Workshop of transitional processes, Ottawa, Canada 4-5 Oct. 1982,
    Proceedings AECL-7822, 40-57.
    (FIGURE 2: The Last Glacial Cycle and the Projected Climate of
    the Next 60 Thousand Years. Page 43.)

    Climate Scenarios for next 120000 years Reference:

    Pimenoff, N., Venäläinen, A., Järvinen, H., 2011.
    Climate Scenarios for Olkiluoto on a Time-Scale of 120,000 years. Posiva-Raportti - Posiva Report, POSIVA 2011-04, Posiva Oy Olkiluoto,
    December 2011, 102 pages.
    ISBN 978-951-652-181-0.
    (Tiivistelmä - Abstract.)

    Please take a look these papers. I think that both could also be available
    from the net (pdf-format).

    Hannu Poropudas
    Kolamäentie 9E,
    90900 Kiiminki / Oulu
    Finland

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  • From Hannu Poropudas@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 13 00:04:43 2022
    perjantai 8. heinäkuuta 2022 klo 10.59.50 UTC+3 Hannu Poropudas kirjoitti:
    Astronomical Climate Index Reference:

    Matthews, J.V. Jr., 1984.
    The astronomical climatic index and its value for predicting
    future climate.
    Atomic Energy Canada, Limitted.
    Workshop of transitional processes, Ottawa, Canada 4-5 Oct. 1982, Proceedings AECL-7822, 40-57.
    (FIGURE 2: The Last Glacial Cycle and the Projected Climate of
    the Next 60 Thousand Years. Page 43.)

    Climate Scenarios for next 120000 years Reference:

    Pimenoff, N., Venäläinen, A., Järvinen, H., 2011.
    Climate Scenarios for Olkiluoto on a Time-Scale of 120,000 years. Posiva-Raportti - Posiva Report, POSIVA 2011-04, Posiva Oy Olkiluoto, December 2011, 102 pages.
    ISBN 978-951-652-181-0.
    (Tiivistelmä - Abstract.)

    Please take a look these papers. I think that both could also be available from the net (pdf-format).

    Hannu Poropudas
    Kolamäentie 9E,
    90900 Kiiminki / Oulu
    Finland

    Two references of Sea Level Rise (although uncertainties of these measurements are quite large):

    1. Sweet,W.V. et al, 2022.
    Global and Regional Sea Level Rise Scenarios for the United States:
    Updated Mean Projections and Extreme Water Level Probabilities along U.S. Coastlines.
    NOAA Technical Report NOS 01. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, National Ocean Service, Silver Spring, MD, 111 pp.
    ( https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/hazards/sealevelrise/noaa-nos-techrpt01-global-regional-SLR-scenarios-US.pdf
    )

    copy from page xii:
    “Relative sea level along the contiquous U.S. (CONUS) coastline is expected to rise
    on average as much over the next 30 years (0.25 – 0.30 m over 2020-2050) as it has
    over the last 100 years (1920 - 2020).”

    This would give sea level rise 0.83 cm/year – 1.00 cm/year.

    Assumption is below calculation that this sea level rise remains constant.

    Sea level rise 7.4 m would take time from 7.40*100*cm*year/1*cm = 740 years to 7.40*100*cm*year/(0.83*cm) = 892 years.

    (time estimate for example Greenland ice melt would rise sea level 7.4 m and this would take time 740 – 892 years)

    2. RISING WATERS How NASA Monitoring Sea Level Rise https://nasa.gov/specials/sea-level-rise-2020

    Sea Level Rise (copy part of the text below in “ “ ):
    “3.3 mm/year“
    “This is 30% more than when NASA launched its first satellite mission to measure
    ocean height in 1992.”
    (12.7.2022 taken from the net)

    This would give 2.31 mm/year in 1993 and 3.3 mm/year in 2020,
    (2020-1993 = 27 years).

    Acceleration = a = change in velocity / change in time =

    a = (0.99 / 27) *mm/year^2 = 0.036666666 mm/year^2.

    Sea Level height would be a simple formula h = (1/2)*a*t^2, where unit of t is years and
    unit of h is mm.

    Assumption below calculation is that acceleration a remains constant.

    7.4 m = 7400 mm = (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 635 years.

    (time estimate for example Greenland ice melt would rise sea level 7.4 m and this would take time 635 years)

    Some other random sea level values and corresponding time estimates:

    1.0 m = 1000 mm = (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 234 years.

    0.5 m = 500 mm = (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 165 years.

    0.3 m = 300 mm = (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 128 years.

    0.2 m = 200 mm = (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 104 years.

    Best Regards,

    Hannu Poropudas
    Kolamäentie 9E,
    90900 Kiiminki / Oulu
    Finland

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  • From Hannu Poropudas@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 13 23:45:49 2022
    keskiviikko 13. heinäkuuta 2022 klo 10.04.45 UTC+3 Hannu Poropudas kirjoitti:
    perjantai 8. heinäkuuta 2022 klo 10.59.50 UTC+3 Hannu Poropudas kirjoitti:
    Astronomical Climate Index Reference:

    Matthews, J.V. Jr., 1984.
    The astronomical climatic index and its value for predicting
    future climate.
    Atomic Energy Canada, Limitted.
    Workshop of transitional processes, Ottawa, Canada 4-5 Oct. 1982, Proceedings AECL-7822, 40-57.
    (FIGURE 2: The Last Glacial Cycle and the Projected Climate of
    the Next 60 Thousand Years. Page 43.)

    Climate Scenarios for next 120000 years Reference:

    Pimenoff, N., Venäläinen, A., Järvinen, H., 2011.
    Climate Scenarios for Olkiluoto on a Time-Scale of 120,000 years. Posiva-Raportti - Posiva Report, POSIVA 2011-04, Posiva Oy Olkiluoto, December 2011, 102 pages.
    ISBN 978-951-652-181-0.
    (Tiivistelmä - Abstract.)

    Please take a look these papers. I think that both could also be available from the net (pdf-format).

    Hannu Poropudas
    Kolamäentie 9E,
    90900 Kiiminki / Oulu
    Finland
    Two references of Sea Level Rise (although uncertainties of these measurements are quite large):

    1. Sweet,W.V. et al, 2022.
    Global and Regional Sea Level Rise Scenarios for the United States:
    Updated Mean Projections and Extreme Water Level Probabilities along U.S. Coastlines.
    NOAA Technical Report NOS 01. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration,
    National Ocean Service, Silver Spring, MD, 111 pp.
    ( https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/hazards/sealevelrise/noaa-nos-techrpt01-global-regional-SLR-scenarios-US.pdf
    )

    copy from page xii:
    “Relative sea level along the contiquous U.S. (CONUS) coastline is expected to rise
    on average as much over the next 30 years (0.25 – 0.30 m over 2020-2050) as it has
    over the last 100 years (1920 - 2020).”

    This would give sea level rise 0.83 cm/year – 1.00 cm/year.

    Assumption is below calculation that this sea level rise remains constant.

    Sea level rise 7.4 m would take time from 7.40*100*cm*year/1*cm = 740 years to
    7.40*100*cm*year/(0.83*cm) = 892 years.

    (time estimate for example Greenland ice melt would rise sea level 7.4 m and this would take time 740 – 892 years)

    2. RISING WATERS How NASA Monitoring Sea Level Rise https://nasa.gov/specials/sea-level-rise-2020

    Sea Level Rise (copy part of the text below in “ “ ):
    “3.3 mm/year“
    “This is 30% more than when NASA launched its first satellite mission to measure
    ocean height in 1992.”
    (12.7.2022 taken from the net)

    This would give 2.31 mm/year in 1993 and 3.3 mm/year in 2020,
    (2020-1993 = 27 years).

    Acceleration = a = change in velocity / change in time =

    a = (0.99 / 27) *mm/year^2 = 0.036666666 mm/year^2.

    Sea Level height would be a simple formula h = (1/2)*a*t^2, where unit of t is years and
    unit of h is mm.

    Assumption below calculation is that acceleration a remains constant.

    7.4 m = 7400 mm = (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 635 years.

    (time estimate for example Greenland ice melt would rise sea level 7.4 m and this would take time 635 years)

    Some other random sea level values and corresponding time estimates:

    1.0 m = 1000 mm = (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 234 years.

    0.5 m = 500 mm = (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 165 years.

    0.3 m = 300 mm = (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 128 years.

    0.2 m = 200 mm = (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 104 years.

    Best Regards,
    Hannu Poropudas
    Kolamäentie 9E,
    90900 Kiiminki / Oulu
    Finland

    CORRECTION: One term v*t added to the formula due approximation fit to the satellite measurement picture.
    (Whole last posting rewritten below, I'am sorry about my mistake in that last posting of mine)

    Two references of Sea Level Rise:

    1. Sweet,W.V. et al, 2022.
    Global and Regional Sea Level Rise Scenarios for the United States:
    Updated Mean Projections and Extreme Water Level Probabilities along U.S. Coastlines.
    NOAA Technical Report NOS 01. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, National Ocean Service, Silver Spring, MD, 111 pp.
    ( https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/hazards/sealevelrise/noaa-nos-techrpt01-global-regional-SLR-scenarios-US.pdf
    )

    copy from page xii:
    “Relative sea level along the contiquous U.S. (CONUS) coastline is expected to rise
    on average as much over the next 30 years (0.25 – 0.30 m over 2020-2050) as it has
    over the last 100 years (1920 - 2020).”

    This would give sea level rise 0.83 cm/year – 1.00 cm/year.

    Assumption is below calculation that this sea level rise remains constant.

    Sea level rise 7.4 m would take time from 7.40*100*cm*year/1*cm = 740 years to 7.40*100*cm*year/(0.83*cm) = 892 years.

    (time estimate example amount of Greenland ice melt would rise global sea level 7.4 m
    and this would take time 740 – 892 years ?)

    2. Ramsayer Kate, 2022.
    RISING WATERS How NASA Monitoring Sea Level Rise. https://www.nasa.gov/specials/sea-level-rise-2020
    (.html format article, 12.7.2022)

    Picture (.PNG format) axes of which are: vertical axis: Sea Height Variations (mm), (0-100)
    horizontal axis: YEARS, (1993-2022). RATE OF CHANGE 3.4 millimeters per year since 1993.

    Satellite Data: 1993-Present.
    Data Source: Satellite sea level observations.
    Credit: NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center.

    Source: climate.nasa.gov

    Sea Level Rise (copy parts of the text below in “ “ ):

    “Global Mean Sea Level from 1993 to 2020 has been rising about 3.3 millimeters per year.
    This number is calculated by averaging sea surface height data from a series of satellites:
    TOPEX/Poseidon, Jason-1, OSTM/Jason-2 and Jason-3. The data is recorded continues with
    the launch of Sentinel-6 Michael Freilich. (Credit: NASA).”

    “Global sea level is rising approximately 0.13 inches ( 3.3 millimeters) a year“

    “That’s 30% more than when NASA launched its first satellite mission to measure
    heights in 1992.”
    (12.7.2022 taken from the net and also .PNG snapshot picture was taken.)

    This would give 2.31 mm/year in 1993 and 3.3 mm/year in 2020,
    (2020-1993 = 27 years).

    Acceleration = a = change in velocity / change in time =

    a = (0.99 / 27) *mm/year^2 = 0.036666666 mm/year^2.

    Velocity = v = change in height / change in time =

    v = 3.3 mm/year

    Global Sea Level height would be approximated roughly by a simple formula

    h = v*t + (1/2)*a*t^2,

    where unit of t is years and unit of h is mm.

    Assumptions below calculation are that acceleration a and velocity v remain constant.

    7400 mm = 3.3 mm/year*t + (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 551 years.

    (time estimate for example amount of Greenland ice melt would rise global sea level 7.4 m
    and this would take time 551 years ?)

    Some other random global sea level rise values and corresponding time estimates:

    1000 mm = 3.3 mm/year*t + (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 160 years.

    500 mm = 3.3 mm/year*t + (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 98 years.

    300 mm = 3.3 mm/year*t + (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 66 years.

    200 mm = 3.3 mm/year*t + (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 48 years.

    100 mm = 3.3 mm/year*t + (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 26 years.

    50 mm = 3.3 mm/year*t + (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 14 years.

    10 mm = 3.3 mm/year*t + (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 3 years.

    Best Regards,

    Hannu Poropudas
    Kolamäentie 9E,
    90900 Kiiminki / Oulu
    Finland

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  • From Hannu Poropudas@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 18 01:40:04 2022
    torstai 14. heinäkuuta 2022 klo 9.45.50 UTC+3 Hannu Poropudas kirjoitti:
    keskiviikko 13. heinäkuuta 2022 klo 10.04.45 UTC+3 Hannu Poropudas kirjoitti:
    perjantai 8. heinäkuuta 2022 klo 10.59.50 UTC+3 Hannu Poropudas kirjoitti:
    Astronomical Climate Index Reference:

    Matthews, J.V. Jr., 1984.
    The astronomical climatic index and its value for predicting
    future climate.
    Atomic Energy Canada, Limitted.
    Workshop of transitional processes, Ottawa, Canada 4-5 Oct. 1982, Proceedings AECL-7822, 40-57.
    (FIGURE 2: The Last Glacial Cycle and the Projected Climate of
    the Next 60 Thousand Years. Page 43.)

    Climate Scenarios for next 120000 years Reference:

    Pimenoff, N., Venäläinen, A., Järvinen, H., 2011.
    Climate Scenarios for Olkiluoto on a Time-Scale of 120,000 years. Posiva-Raportti - Posiva Report, POSIVA 2011-04, Posiva Oy Olkiluoto, December 2011, 102 pages.
    ISBN 978-951-652-181-0.
    (Tiivistelmä - Abstract.)

    Please take a look these papers. I think that both could also be available
    from the net (pdf-format).

    Hannu Poropudas
    Kolamäentie 9E,
    90900 Kiiminki / Oulu
    Finland
    Two references of Sea Level Rise (although uncertainties of these measurements are quite large):

    1. Sweet,W.V. et al, 2022.
    Global and Regional Sea Level Rise Scenarios for the United States: Updated Mean Projections and Extreme Water Level Probabilities along U.S. Coastlines.
    NOAA Technical Report NOS 01. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration,
    National Ocean Service, Silver Spring, MD, 111 pp.
    ( https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/hazards/sealevelrise/noaa-nos-techrpt01-global-regional-SLR-scenarios-US.pdf
    )

    copy from page xii:
    “Relative sea level along the contiquous U.S. (CONUS) coastline is expected to rise
    on average as much over the next 30 years (0.25 – 0.30 m over 2020-2050) as it has
    over the last 100 years (1920 - 2020).”

    This would give sea level rise 0.83 cm/year – 1.00 cm/year.

    Assumption is below calculation that this sea level rise remains constant.

    Sea level rise 7.4 m would take time from 7.40*100*cm*year/1*cm = 740 years to
    7.40*100*cm*year/(0.83*cm) = 892 years.

    (time estimate for example Greenland ice melt would rise sea level 7.4 m and
    this would take time 740 – 892 years)

    2. RISING WATERS How NASA Monitoring Sea Level Rise https://nasa.gov/specials/sea-level-rise-2020

    Sea Level Rise (copy part of the text below in “ “ ):
    “3.3 mm/year“
    “This is 30% more than when NASA launched its first satellite mission to measure
    ocean height in 1992.”
    (12.7.2022 taken from the net)

    This would give 2.31 mm/year in 1993 and 3.3 mm/year in 2020,
    (2020-1993 = 27 years).

    Acceleration = a = change in velocity / change in time =

    a = (0.99 / 27) *mm/year^2 = 0.036666666 mm/year^2.

    Sea Level height would be a simple formula h = (1/2)*a*t^2, where unit of t is years and
    unit of h is mm.

    Assumption below calculation is that acceleration a remains constant.

    7.4 m = 7400 mm = (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 635 years.

    (time estimate for example Greenland ice melt would rise sea level 7.4 m and
    this would take time 635 years)

    Some other random sea level values and corresponding time estimates:

    1.0 m = 1000 mm = (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 234 years.

    0.5 m = 500 mm = (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 165 years.

    0.3 m = 300 mm = (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 128 years.

    0.2 m = 200 mm = (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 104 years.

    Best Regards,
    Hannu Poropudas
    Kolamäentie 9E,
    90900 Kiiminki / Oulu
    Finland
    CORRECTION: One term v*t added to the formula due approximation fit to the satellite measurement picture.
    (Whole last posting rewritten below, I'am sorry about my mistake in that last posting of mine)

    Two references of Sea Level Rise:
    1. Sweet,W.V. et al, 2022.
    Global and Regional Sea Level Rise Scenarios for the United States:
    Updated Mean Projections and Extreme Water Level Probabilities along U.S. Coastlines.
    NOAA Technical Report NOS 01. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration,
    National Ocean Service, Silver Spring, MD, 111 pp.
    ( https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/hazards/sealevelrise/noaa-nos-techrpt01-global-regional-SLR-scenarios-US.pdf
    )

    copy from page xii:
    “Relative sea level along the contiquous U.S. (CONUS) coastline is expected to rise
    on average as much over the next 30 years (0.25 – 0.30 m over 2020-2050) as it has
    over the last 100 years (1920 - 2020).”

    This would give sea level rise 0.83 cm/year – 1.00 cm/year.

    Assumption is below calculation that this sea level rise remains constant.

    Sea level rise 7.4 m would take time from 7.40*100*cm*year/1*cm = 740 years to
    7.40*100*cm*year/(0.83*cm) = 892 years.
    (time estimate example amount of Greenland ice melt would rise global sea level 7.4 m
    and this would take time 740 – 892 years ?)

    2. Ramsayer Kate, 2022.
    RISING WATERS How NASA Monitoring Sea Level Rise. https://www.nasa.gov/specials/sea-level-rise-2020
    (.html format article, 12.7.2022)

    Picture (.PNG format) axes of which are: vertical axis: Sea Height Variations (mm), (0-100)
    horizontal axis: YEARS, (1993-2022). RATE OF CHANGE 3.4 millimeters per year since 1993.

    Satellite Data: 1993-Present.
    Data Source: Satellite sea level observations.
    Credit: NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center.

    Source: climate.nasa.gov

    Sea Level Rise (copy parts of the text below in “ “ ):

    “Global Mean Sea Level from 1993 to 2020 has been rising about 3.3 millimeters per year.
    This number is calculated by averaging sea surface height data from a series of satellites:
    TOPEX/Poseidon, Jason-1, OSTM/Jason-2 and Jason-3. The data is recorded continues with
    the launch of Sentinel-6 Michael Freilich. (Credit: NASA).”

    “Global sea level is rising approximately 0.13 inches ( 3.3 millimeters) a year“

    “That’s 30% more than when NASA launched its first satellite mission to measure
    heights in 1992.”
    (12.7.2022 taken from the net and also .PNG snapshot picture was taken.)
    This would give 2.31 mm/year in 1993 and 3.3 mm/year in 2020,
    (2020-1993 = 27 years).

    Acceleration = a = change in velocity / change in time =

    a = (0.99 / 27) *mm/year^2 = 0.036666666 mm/year^2.
    Velocity = v = change in height / change in time =

    v = 3.3 mm/year

    Global Sea Level height would be approximated roughly by a simple formula

    h = v*t + (1/2)*a*t^2,
    where unit of t is years and unit of h is mm.
    Assumptions below calculation are that acceleration a and velocity v remain constant.

    7400 mm = 3.3 mm/year*t + (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 551 years.

    (time estimate for example amount of Greenland ice melt would rise global sea level 7.4 m
    and this would take time 551 years ?)

    Some other random global sea level rise values and corresponding time estimates:

    1000 mm = 3.3 mm/year*t + (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 160 years.

    500 mm = 3.3 mm/year*t + (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 98 years.

    300 mm = 3.3 mm/year*t + (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 66 years.

    200 mm = 3.3 mm/year*t + (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 48 years.

    100 mm = 3.3 mm/year*t + (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 26 years.

    50 mm = 3.3 mm/year*t + (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 14 years.

    10 mm = 3.3 mm/year*t + (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 3 years.
    Best Regards,

    Hannu Poropudas
    Kolamäentie 9E,
    90900 Kiiminki / Oulu
    Finland

    I found one reference which contained article about regional land uplift in Fennoscandia area
    after last ice-age:

    Reference:

    Veikkolainen, V. , 2013.
    Post-glacial rebound: modelling, measurement, significance on society.
    pp. 5-21.

    Fig 9 / page 18,

    LAND UPLIFT 9 mm/year near Oulu in Ostrobotnia area.

    Fig. 4 / page 11,

    LINEAR LINE (regional uplift dependence on time) picture:

    (vertical axis -90 mm to 90 mm, horizontal axis 1997 to 2007 years)
    (A continuous time series of the vertical movement of
    Kivetty GPS station, central Finland).

    In:
    Octavian, A., Vermeer, M. (Editors), 2013.
    GEONAVPOS: Seminar publications on Geodesy, Navigation and Positioning.
    Aalto University publication series Science + Technology 12 / 2013.
    Aalto University, School of Engineering, Department of Real Estate,
    Planning and Geoinformatics, Geoinformatics Research Group,
    ISBN 978-952-60-5214-5 (pdf),
    http://urn.fi/URN:ISBN:978-952-60-5214-4
    Unigrafia Oy Helsinki 2013, Finland.
    304 pages.

    Equality point in years for global sea level rise and different land level rises (uplifts):

    3.3*t+0.5*(0.99/27)*t^2 = k*t,

    k is uplift constant (regional Fennoscandia / Finland values after last ice-age)
    Asumption is that locally k is uplift constant several hundred years, Fig.4 /page 11.

    k = 9 mm/year, 8 mm/year, 7 mm/year, 6 mm/year, 5 mm/year, 4 mm/year, (Fig. 9 / page 18).

    Corresponding years to these above different k uplift constant values: 1993+311=2304,
    1993+256=2249.
    1993+202=2195,
    1993+147=2140,
    1993+93 =2086,
    1993+38 =2031

    Oulu area in north Finland,
    when global sea level rise starts to be greater than regional land uplift, seems to be guite far in future ?

    Helsinki area in south Finland seems to fit this last year, which is quite near in future ?

    Best Regards,
    Hannu Poropudas
    Kolamäentie 9E,
    90900 Kiiminki / Oulu
    Finland

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  • From Hannu Poropudas@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 29 00:13:32 2022
    maanantai 18. heinäkuuta 2022 klo 11.40.05 UTC+3 Hannu Poropudas kirjoitti:
    torstai 14. heinäkuuta 2022 klo 9.45.50 UTC+3 Hannu Poropudas kirjoitti:
    keskiviikko 13. heinäkuuta 2022 klo 10.04.45 UTC+3 Hannu Poropudas kirjoitti:
    perjantai 8. heinäkuuta 2022 klo 10.59.50 UTC+3 Hannu Poropudas kirjoitti:
    Astronomical Climate Index Reference:

    Matthews, J.V. Jr., 1984.
    The astronomical climatic index and its value for predicting
    future climate.
    Atomic Energy Canada, Limitted.
    Workshop of transitional processes, Ottawa, Canada 4-5 Oct. 1982, Proceedings AECL-7822, 40-57.
    (FIGURE 2: The Last Glacial Cycle and the Projected Climate of
    the Next 60 Thousand Years. Page 43.)

    Climate Scenarios for next 120000 years Reference:

    Pimenoff, N., Venäläinen, A., Järvinen, H., 2011.
    Climate Scenarios for Olkiluoto on a Time-Scale of 120,000 years. Posiva-Raportti - Posiva Report, POSIVA 2011-04, Posiva Oy Olkiluoto, December 2011, 102 pages.
    ISBN 978-951-652-181-0.
    (Tiivistelmä - Abstract.)

    Please take a look these papers. I think that both could also be available
    from the net (pdf-format).

    Hannu Poropudas
    Kolamäentie 9E,
    90900 Kiiminki / Oulu
    Finland
    Two references of Sea Level Rise (although uncertainties of these measurements are quite large):

    1. Sweet,W.V. et al, 2022.
    Global and Regional Sea Level Rise Scenarios for the United States: Updated Mean Projections and Extreme Water Level Probabilities along U.S. Coastlines.
    NOAA Technical Report NOS 01. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration,
    National Ocean Service, Silver Spring, MD, 111 pp.
    ( https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/hazards/sealevelrise/noaa-nos-techrpt01-global-regional-SLR-scenarios-US.pdf
    )

    copy from page xii:
    “Relative sea level along the contiquous U.S. (CONUS) coastline is expected to rise
    on average as much over the next 30 years (0.25 – 0.30 m over 2020-2050) as it has
    over the last 100 years (1920 - 2020).”

    This would give sea level rise 0.83 cm/year – 1.00 cm/year.

    Assumption is below calculation that this sea level rise remains constant.

    Sea level rise 7.4 m would take time from 7.40*100*cm*year/1*cm = 740 years to
    7.40*100*cm*year/(0.83*cm) = 892 years.

    (time estimate for example Greenland ice melt would rise sea level 7.4 m and
    this would take time 740 – 892 years)

    2. RISING WATERS How NASA Monitoring Sea Level Rise https://nasa.gov/specials/sea-level-rise-2020

    Sea Level Rise (copy part of the text below in “ “ ):
    “3.3 mm/year“
    “This is 30% more than when NASA launched its first satellite mission to measure
    ocean height in 1992.”
    (12.7.2022 taken from the net)

    This would give 2.31 mm/year in 1993 and 3.3 mm/year in 2020,
    (2020-1993 = 27 years).

    Acceleration = a = change in velocity / change in time =

    a = (0.99 / 27) *mm/year^2 = 0.036666666 mm/year^2.

    Sea Level height would be a simple formula h = (1/2)*a*t^2, where unit of t is years and
    unit of h is mm.

    Assumption below calculation is that acceleration a remains constant.

    7.4 m = 7400 mm = (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 635 years.

    (time estimate for example Greenland ice melt would rise sea level 7.4 m and
    this would take time 635 years)

    Some other random sea level values and corresponding time estimates:

    1.0 m = 1000 mm = (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 234 years.

    0.5 m = 500 mm = (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 165 years.

    0.3 m = 300 mm = (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 128 years.

    0.2 m = 200 mm = (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 104 years.

    Best Regards,
    Hannu Poropudas
    Kolamäentie 9E,
    90900 Kiiminki / Oulu
    Finland
    CORRECTION: One term v*t added to the formula due approximation fit to the satellite measurement picture.
    (Whole last posting rewritten below, I'am sorry about my mistake in that last posting of mine)

    Two references of Sea Level Rise:
    1. Sweet,W.V. et al, 2022.
    Global and Regional Sea Level Rise Scenarios for the United States: Updated Mean Projections and Extreme Water Level Probabilities along U.S. Coastlines.
    NOAA Technical Report NOS 01. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration,
    National Ocean Service, Silver Spring, MD, 111 pp.
    ( https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/hazards/sealevelrise/noaa-nos-techrpt01-global-regional-SLR-scenarios-US.pdf
    )

    copy from page xii:
    “Relative sea level along the contiquous U.S. (CONUS) coastline is expected to rise
    on average as much over the next 30 years (0.25 – 0.30 m over 2020-2050) as it has
    over the last 100 years (1920 - 2020).”

    This would give sea level rise 0.83 cm/year – 1.00 cm/year.

    Assumption is below calculation that this sea level rise remains constant.

    Sea level rise 7.4 m would take time from 7.40*100*cm*year/1*cm = 740 years to
    7.40*100*cm*year/(0.83*cm) = 892 years.
    (time estimate example amount of Greenland ice melt would rise global sea level 7.4 m
    and this would take time 740 – 892 years ?)

    2. Ramsayer Kate, 2022.
    RISING WATERS How NASA Monitoring Sea Level Rise. https://www.nasa.gov/specials/sea-level-rise-2020
    (.html format article, 12.7.2022)

    Picture (.PNG format) axes of which are: vertical axis: Sea Height Variations (mm), (0-100)
    horizontal axis: YEARS, (1993-2022). RATE OF CHANGE 3.4 millimeters per year since 1993.

    Satellite Data: 1993-Present.
    Data Source: Satellite sea level observations.
    Credit: NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center.

    Source: climate.nasa.gov

    Sea Level Rise (copy parts of the text below in “ “ ):

    “Global Mean Sea Level from 1993 to 2020 has been rising about 3.3 millimeters per year.
    This number is calculated by averaging sea surface height data from a series of satellites:
    TOPEX/Poseidon, Jason-1, OSTM/Jason-2 and Jason-3. The data is recorded continues with
    the launch of Sentinel-6 Michael Freilich. (Credit: NASA).”

    “Global sea level is rising approximately 0.13 inches ( 3.3 millimeters) a year“

    “That’s 30% more than when NASA launched its first satellite mission to measure
    heights in 1992.”
    (12.7.2022 taken from the net and also .PNG snapshot picture was taken.) This would give 2.31 mm/year in 1993 and 3.3 mm/year in 2020,
    (2020-1993 = 27 years).

    Acceleration = a = change in velocity / change in time =

    a = (0.99 / 27) *mm/year^2 = 0.036666666 mm/year^2.
    Velocity = v = change in height / change in time =

    v = 3.3 mm/year

    Global Sea Level height would be approximated roughly by a simple formula

    h = v*t + (1/2)*a*t^2,
    where unit of t is years and unit of h is mm.
    Assumptions below calculation are that acceleration a and velocity v remain constant.

    7400 mm = 3.3 mm/year*t + (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 551 years.

    (time estimate for example amount of Greenland ice melt would rise global sea level 7.4 m
    and this would take time 551 years ?)

    Some other random global sea level rise values and corresponding time estimates:

    1000 mm = 3.3 mm/year*t + (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 160 years.

    500 mm = 3.3 mm/year*t + (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 98 years.

    300 mm = 3.3 mm/year*t + (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 66 years.

    200 mm = 3.3 mm/year*t + (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 48 years.

    100 mm = 3.3 mm/year*t + (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 26 years.

    50 mm = 3.3 mm/year*t + (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 14 years.

    10 mm = 3.3 mm/year*t + (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 3 years.
    Best Regards,

    Hannu Poropudas
    Kolamäentie 9E,
    90900 Kiiminki / Oulu
    Finland
    I found one reference which contained article about regional land uplift in Fennoscandia area
    after last ice-age:

    Reference:

    Veikkolainen, V. , 2013.
    Post-glacial rebound: modelling, measurement, significance on society.
    pp. 5-21.

    Fig 9 / page 18,

    LAND UPLIFT 9 mm/year near Oulu in Ostrobotnia area.

    Fig. 4 / page 11,

    LINEAR LINE (regional uplift dependence on time) picture:

    (vertical axis -90 mm to 90 mm, horizontal axis 1997 to 2007 years)
    (A continuous time series of the vertical movement of
    Kivetty GPS station, central Finland).

    In:
    Octavian, A., Vermeer, M. (Editors), 2013.
    GEONAVPOS: Seminar publications on Geodesy, Navigation and Positioning. Aalto University publication series Science + Technology 12 / 2013.
    Aalto University, School of Engineering, Department of Real Estate,
    Planning and Geoinformatics, Geoinformatics Research Group,
    ISBN 978-952-60-5214-5 (pdf),
    http://urn.fi/URN:ISBN:978-952-60-5214-4
    Unigrafia Oy Helsinki 2013, Finland.
    304 pages.

    Equality point in years for global sea level rise and different land level rises (uplifts):

    3.3*t+0.5*(0.99/27)*t^2 = k*t,

    k is uplift constant (regional Fennoscandia / Finland values after last ice-age)
    Asumption is that locally k is uplift constant several hundred years, Fig.4 /page 11.

    k = 9 mm/year, 8 mm/year, 7 mm/year, 6 mm/year, 5 mm/year, 4 mm/year, (Fig. 9 / page 18).

    Corresponding years to these above different k uplift constant values: 1993+311=2304,
    1993+256=2249.
    1993+202=2195,
    1993+147=2140,
    1993+93 =2086,
    1993+38 =2031

    Oulu area in north Finland,
    when global sea level rise starts to be greater than regional land uplift, seems to be guite far in future ?

    Helsinki area in south Finland seems to fit this last year, which is quite near in future ?
    Best Regards,
    Hannu Poropudas
    Kolamäentie 9E,
    90900 Kiiminki / Oulu
    Finland
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    # EXAMPLE (calculated with Maple9 program, > is commmand line mark)
    # Sea level rise in Helsinki area. FM Hannu Poropudas 29.7.2022
    # Sea level rise with land upplift 4 mm/year approximately

    # h = sea level rise in Helsinki area
    # h = (3.3-k)*t+0.5*(0.99/27)*t^2, k = 4 mm/year,
    # starting year = 1993, h in units of mm, t in units of year

    # 7400 mm
    solve(7400 = 3.3*t+0.5*(0.99/27)*t^2-4.0*t,t);
    # -616.5196842, 654.7015024
    # 1993+655=2648

    # 1000 mm
    solve(1000 = 3.3*t+0.5*(0.99/27)*t^2-4.0*t,t);
    # -215.2377433, 253.4195615
    # 1993+253=2246

    # 500 mm
    solve(500 = 3.3*t+0.5*(0.99/27)*t^2-4.0*t,t);
    -147.1534595, 185.3352776
    # 1993+185=2178

    # 400 mm
    solve(400 = 3.3*t+0.5*(0.99/27)*t^2-4.0*t,t);
    # -129.8474829, 168.0293011
    # 1993+168=2161

    # 300 mm
    solve(300 = 3.3*t+0.5*(0.99/27)*t^2-4.0*t,t);
    # -110.2462440, 148.4280622
    # 1993+148=2141

    # 200 mm
    solve(200 = 3.3*t+0.5*(0.99/27)*t^2-4.0*t,t);
    # -87.08608331, 125.2679015
    # 1993+125=2118

    # 100 mm
    solve(100 = 3.3*t+0.5*(0.99/27)*t^2-4.0*t,t);
    # -57.19151525, 95.37333342
    # 1993+95=2088

    # 50 mm
    solve(50 = 3.3*t+0.5*(0.99/27)*t^2-4.0*t,t);
    # -36.51246794, 74.69428610
    # 1993+75=2068
    # 40 mm
    solve(40 = 3.3*t+0.5*(0.99/27)*t^2-4.0*t,t);
    # -31.36977849, 69.55159666
    # 1993+70=2063

    # 30 mm
    solve(30 = 3.3*t+0.5*(0.99/27)*t^2-4.0*t,t);
    # -25.63968945, 63.82150762
    # 1993+64=2057

    # 20 mm
    solve(20 = 3.3*t+0.5*(0.99/27)*t^2-4.0*t,t);
    # -19.05842774, 57.24024591
    # 1993+57=2050

    # 10 mm
    solve(10 = 3.3*t+0.5*(0.99/27)*t^2-4.0*t,t);
    # -11.07392731, 49.25574548
    # 1993+49=2042

    Best Regards,

    Hannu Poropudas

    Kolamäentie 9E
    90900 Kiiminki / Oulu
    Finland

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    perjantai 29. heinäkuuta 2022 klo 10.13.34 UTC+3 Hannu Poropudas kirjoitti:
    maanantai 18. heinäkuuta 2022 klo 11.40.05 UTC+3 Hannu Poropudas kirjoitti:
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    perjantai 8. heinäkuuta 2022 klo 10.59.50 UTC+3 Hannu Poropudas kirjoitti:
    Astronomical Climate Index Reference:

    Matthews, J.V. Jr., 1984.
    The astronomical climatic index and its value for predicting
    future climate.
    Atomic Energy Canada, Limitted.
    Workshop of transitional processes, Ottawa, Canada 4-5 Oct. 1982, Proceedings AECL-7822, 40-57.
    (FIGURE 2: The Last Glacial Cycle and the Projected Climate of
    the Next 60 Thousand Years. Page 43.)

    Climate Scenarios for next 120000 years Reference:

    Pimenoff, N., Venäläinen, A., Järvinen, H., 2011.
    Climate Scenarios for Olkiluoto on a Time-Scale of 120,000 years. Posiva-Raportti - Posiva Report, POSIVA 2011-04, Posiva Oy Olkiluoto,
    December 2011, 102 pages.
    ISBN 978-951-652-181-0.
    (Tiivistelmä - Abstract.)

    Please take a look these papers. I think that both could also be available
    from the net (pdf-format).

    Hannu Poropudas
    Kolamäentie 9E,
    90900 Kiiminki / Oulu
    Finland
    Two references of Sea Level Rise (although uncertainties of these measurements are quite large):

    1. Sweet,W.V. et al, 2022.
    Global and Regional Sea Level Rise Scenarios for the United States: Updated Mean Projections and Extreme Water Level Probabilities along U.S. Coastlines.
    NOAA Technical Report NOS 01. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration,
    National Ocean Service, Silver Spring, MD, 111 pp.
    ( https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/hazards/sealevelrise/noaa-nos-techrpt01-global-regional-SLR-scenarios-US.pdf
    )

    copy from page xii:
    “Relative sea level along the contiquous U.S. (CONUS) coastline is expected to rise
    on average as much over the next 30 years (0.25 – 0.30 m over 2020-2050) as it has
    over the last 100 years (1920 - 2020).”

    This would give sea level rise 0.83 cm/year – 1.00 cm/year.

    Assumption is below calculation that this sea level rise remains constant.

    Sea level rise 7.4 m would take time from 7.40*100*cm*year/1*cm = 740 years to
    7.40*100*cm*year/(0.83*cm) = 892 years.

    (time estimate for example Greenland ice melt would rise sea level 7.4 m and
    this would take time 740 – 892 years)

    2. RISING WATERS How NASA Monitoring Sea Level Rise https://nasa.gov/specials/sea-level-rise-2020

    Sea Level Rise (copy part of the text below in “ “ ):
    “3.3 mm/year“
    “This is 30% more than when NASA launched its first satellite mission to measure
    ocean height in 1992.”
    (12.7.2022 taken from the net)

    This would give 2.31 mm/year in 1993 and 3.3 mm/year in 2020, (2020-1993 = 27 years).

    Acceleration = a = change in velocity / change in time =

    a = (0.99 / 27) *mm/year^2 = 0.036666666 mm/year^2.

    Sea Level height would be a simple formula h = (1/2)*a*t^2, where unit of t is years and
    unit of h is mm.

    Assumption below calculation is that acceleration a remains constant.

    7.4 m = 7400 mm = (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 635 years.

    (time estimate for example Greenland ice melt would rise sea level 7.4 m and
    this would take time 635 years)

    Some other random sea level values and corresponding time estimates:

    1.0 m = 1000 mm = (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 234 years.

    0.5 m = 500 mm = (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 165 years.

    0.3 m = 300 mm = (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 128 years.

    0.2 m = 200 mm = (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 104 years.

    Best Regards,
    Hannu Poropudas
    Kolamäentie 9E,
    90900 Kiiminki / Oulu
    Finland
    CORRECTION: One term v*t added to the formula due approximation fit to the satellite measurement picture.
    (Whole last posting rewritten below, I'am sorry about my mistake in that last posting of mine)

    Two references of Sea Level Rise:
    1. Sweet,W.V. et al, 2022.
    Global and Regional Sea Level Rise Scenarios for the United States: Updated Mean Projections and Extreme Water Level Probabilities along U.S. Coastlines.
    NOAA Technical Report NOS 01. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration,
    National Ocean Service, Silver Spring, MD, 111 pp.
    ( https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/hazards/sealevelrise/noaa-nos-techrpt01-global-regional-SLR-scenarios-US.pdf
    )

    copy from page xii:
    “Relative sea level along the contiquous U.S. (CONUS) coastline is expected to rise
    on average as much over the next 30 years (0.25 – 0.30 m over 2020-2050) as it has
    over the last 100 years (1920 - 2020).”

    This would give sea level rise 0.83 cm/year – 1.00 cm/year.

    Assumption is below calculation that this sea level rise remains constant.

    Sea level rise 7.4 m would take time from 7.40*100*cm*year/1*cm = 740 years to
    7.40*100*cm*year/(0.83*cm) = 892 years.
    (time estimate example amount of Greenland ice melt would rise global sea level 7.4 m
    and this would take time 740 – 892 years ?)

    2. Ramsayer Kate, 2022.
    RISING WATERS How NASA Monitoring Sea Level Rise. https://www.nasa.gov/specials/sea-level-rise-2020
    (.html format article, 12.7.2022)

    Picture (.PNG format) axes of which are: vertical axis: Sea Height Variations (mm), (0-100)
    horizontal axis: YEARS, (1993-2022). RATE OF CHANGE 3.4 millimeters per year since 1993.

    Satellite Data: 1993-Present.
    Data Source: Satellite sea level observations.
    Credit: NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center.

    Source: climate.nasa.gov

    Sea Level Rise (copy parts of the text below in “ “ ):

    “Global Mean Sea Level from 1993 to 2020 has been rising about 3.3 millimeters per year.
    This number is calculated by averaging sea surface height data from a series of satellites:
    TOPEX/Poseidon, Jason-1, OSTM/Jason-2 and Jason-3. The data is recorded continues with
    the launch of Sentinel-6 Michael Freilich. (Credit: NASA).”

    “Global sea level is rising approximately 0.13 inches ( 3.3 millimeters) a year“

    “That’s 30% more than when NASA launched its first satellite mission to measure
    heights in 1992.”
    (12.7.2022 taken from the net and also .PNG snapshot picture was taken.) This would give 2.31 mm/year in 1993 and 3.3 mm/year in 2020,
    (2020-1993 = 27 years).

    Acceleration = a = change in velocity / change in time =

    a = (0.99 / 27) *mm/year^2 = 0.036666666 mm/year^2.
    Velocity = v = change in height / change in time =

    v = 3.3 mm/year

    Global Sea Level height would be approximated roughly by a simple formula

    h = v*t + (1/2)*a*t^2,
    where unit of t is years and unit of h is mm.
    Assumptions below calculation are that acceleration a and velocity v remain constant.

    7400 mm = 3.3 mm/year*t + (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 551 years.

    (time estimate for example amount of Greenland ice melt would rise global sea level 7.4 m
    and this would take time 551 years ?)

    Some other random global sea level rise values and corresponding time estimates:

    1000 mm = 3.3 mm/year*t + (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 160 years.

    500 mm = 3.3 mm/year*t + (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 98 years.

    300 mm = 3.3 mm/year*t + (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 66 years.

    200 mm = 3.3 mm/year*t + (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 48 years.

    100 mm = 3.3 mm/year*t + (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 26 years.

    50 mm = 3.3 mm/year*t + (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 14 years.

    10 mm = 3.3 mm/year*t + (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 3 years.
    Best Regards,

    Hannu Poropudas
    Kolamäentie 9E,
    90900 Kiiminki / Oulu
    Finland
    I found one reference which contained article about regional land uplift in Fennoscandia area
    after last ice-age:

    Reference:

    Veikkolainen, V. , 2013.
    Post-glacial rebound: modelling, measurement, significance on society.
    pp. 5-21.

    Fig 9 / page 18,

    LAND UPLIFT 9 mm/year near Oulu in Ostrobotnia area.

    Fig. 4 / page 11,

    LINEAR LINE (regional uplift dependence on time) picture:

    (vertical axis -90 mm to 90 mm, horizontal axis 1997 to 2007 years)
    (A continuous time series of the vertical movement of
    Kivetty GPS station, central Finland).

    In:
    Octavian, A., Vermeer, M. (Editors), 2013.
    GEONAVPOS: Seminar publications on Geodesy, Navigation and Positioning. Aalto University publication series Science + Technology 12 / 2013.
    Aalto University, School of Engineering, Department of Real Estate, Planning and Geoinformatics, Geoinformatics Research Group,
    ISBN 978-952-60-5214-5 (pdf),
    http://urn.fi/URN:ISBN:978-952-60-5214-4
    Unigrafia Oy Helsinki 2013, Finland.
    304 pages.

    Equality point in years for global sea level rise and different land level rises (uplifts):

    3.3*t+0.5*(0.99/27)*t^2 = k*t,

    k is uplift constant (regional Fennoscandia / Finland values after last ice-age)
    Asumption is that locally k is uplift constant several hundred years, Fig.4 /page 11.

    k = 9 mm/year, 8 mm/year, 7 mm/year, 6 mm/year, 5 mm/year, 4 mm/year, (Fig. 9 / page 18).

    Corresponding years to these above different k uplift constant values: 1993+311=2304,
    1993+256=2249.
    1993+202=2195,
    1993+147=2140,
    1993+93 =2086,
    1993+38 =2031

    Oulu area in north Finland,
    when global sea level rise starts to be greater than regional land uplift, seems to be guite far in future ?

    Helsinki area in south Finland seems to fit this last year, which is quite near in future ?
    Best Regards,
    Hannu Poropudas
    Kolamäentie 9E,
    90900 Kiiminki / Oulu
    Finland
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    # EXAMPLE (calculated with Maple9 program, > is commmand line mark)
    # Sea level rise in Helsinki area. FM Hannu Poropudas 29.7.2022
    # Sea level rise with land upplift 4 mm/year approximately

    # h = sea level rise in Helsinki area
    # h = (3.3-k)*t+0.5*(0.99/27)*t^2, k = 4 mm/year,
    # starting year = 1993, h in units of mm, t in units of year

    Starting year = 2020.

    # 7400 mm
    solve(7400 = 3.3*t+0.5*(0.99/27)*t^2-4.0*t,t);
    # -616.5196842, 654.7015024
    # 1993+655=2648

    2020+655=2675

    # 1000 mm
    solve(1000 = 3.3*t+0.5*(0.99/27)*t^2-4.0*t,t);
    # -215.2377433, 253.4195615
    # 1993+253=2246

    2020+253=2273

    # 500 mm
    solve(500 = 3.3*t+0.5*(0.99/27)*t^2-4.0*t,t);
    -147.1534595, 185.3352776
    # 1993+185=2178

    2020+185=2168

    # 400 mm
    solve(400 = 3.3*t+0.5*(0.99/27)*t^2-4.0*t,t);
    # -129.8474829, 168.0293011
    # 1993+168=2161

    2020+168=2188

    # 300 mm
    solve(300 = 3.3*t+0.5*(0.99/27)*t^2-4.0*t,t);
    # -110.2462440, 148.4280622
    # 1993+148=2141

    # 200 mm
    solve(200 = 3.3*t+0.5*(0.99/27)*t^2-4.0*t,t);
    # -87.08608331, 125.2679015
    # 1993+125=2118

    2020+125=2145

    # 100 mm
    solve(100 = 3.3*t+0.5*(0.99/27)*t^2-4.0*t,t);
    # -57.19151525, 95.37333342
    # 1993+95=2088

    2020+95=2115

    # 50 mm
    solve(50 = 3.3*t+0.5*(0.99/27)*t^2-4.0*t,t);
    # -36.51246794, 74.69428610
    # 1993+75=2068
    2020+75=2095

    # 40 mm
    solve(40 = 3.3*t+0.5*(0.99/27)*t^2-4.0*t,t);
    # -31.36977849, 69.55159666
    # 1993+70=2063


    2020+70=2090

    # 30 mm
    solve(30 = 3.3*t+0.5*(0.99/27)*t^2-4.0*t,t);
    # -25.63968945, 63.82150762
    # 1993+64=2057

    2020+64=2084

    # 20 mm
    solve(20 = 3.3*t+0.5*(0.99/27)*t^2-4.0*t,t);
    # -19.05842774, 57.24024591
    # 1993+57=2050

    2020+57=2077

    # 10 mm
    solve(10 = 3.3*t+0.5*(0.99/27)*t^2-4.0*t,t);
    # -11.07392731, 49.25574548
    # 1993+49=2042
    2020+49=2069

    Best Regards,

    Hannu Poropudas

    Kolamäentie 9E
    90900 Kiiminki / Oulu
    Finland

    I notice that in order to keep derivative of the formula in the
    form (the global sea level rise speed formula)

    dh/dt = v+at, v=3.3 mm/year, a = 0.99/27 mm/year^2

    I should start calculation
    of years from the year 2020 and not from the year 1993 which
    I have used above.
    I correct years only in above text of mine in case of Helsinki Example.

    Hannu

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  • From Hannu Poropudas@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 18 01:05:20 2023
    Two REMARKs about 4.8 m local sea level rise in Helsinki area (year 2524) and in Oulu area (year 2649) below. Please take a look below.

    perjantai 29. heinäkuuta 2022 klo 10.13.34 UTC+3 Hannu Poropudas kirjoitti:
    maanantai 18. heinäkuuta 2022 klo 11.40.05 UTC+3 Hannu Poropudas kirjoitti:
    torstai 14. heinäkuuta 2022 klo 9.45.50 UTC+3 Hannu Poropudas kirjoitti:
    keskiviikko 13. heinäkuuta 2022 klo 10.04.45 UTC+3 Hannu Poropudas kirjoitti:
    perjantai 8. heinäkuuta 2022 klo 10.59.50 UTC+3 Hannu Poropudas kirjoitti:
    Astronomical Climate Index Reference:

    Matthews, J.V. Jr., 1984.
    The astronomical climatic index and its value for predicting
    future climate.
    Atomic Energy Canada, Limitted.
    Workshop of transitional processes, Ottawa, Canada 4-5 Oct. 1982, Proceedings AECL-7822, 40-57.
    (FIGURE 2: The Last Glacial Cycle and the Projected Climate of
    the Next 60 Thousand Years. Page 43.)

    Climate Scenarios for next 120000 years Reference:

    Pimenoff, N., Venäläinen, A., Järvinen, H., 2011.
    Climate Scenarios for Olkiluoto on a Time-Scale of 120,000 years. Posiva-Raportti - Posiva Report, POSIVA 2011-04, Posiva Oy Olkiluoto,
    December 2011, 102 pages.
    ISBN 978-951-652-181-0.
    (Tiivistelmä - Abstract.)

    Please take a look these papers. I think that both could also be available
    from the net (pdf-format).

    Hannu Poropudas
    Kolamäentie 9E,
    90900 Kiiminki / Oulu
    Finland
    Two references of Sea Level Rise (although uncertainties of these measurements are quite large):

    1. Sweet,W.V. et al, 2022.
    Global and Regional Sea Level Rise Scenarios for the United States: Updated Mean Projections and Extreme Water Level Probabilities along U.S. Coastlines.
    NOAA Technical Report NOS 01. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration,
    National Ocean Service, Silver Spring, MD, 111 pp.
    ( https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/hazards/sealevelrise/noaa-nos-techrpt01-global-regional-SLR-scenarios-US.pdf
    )

    copy from page xii:
    “Relative sea level along the contiquous U.S. (CONUS) coastline is expected to rise
    on average as much over the next 30 years (0.25 – 0.30 m over 2020-2050) as it has
    over the last 100 years (1920 - 2020).”

    This would give sea level rise 0.83 cm/year – 1.00 cm/year.

    Assumption is below calculation that this sea level rise remains constant.

    Sea level rise 7.4 m would take time from 7.40*100*cm*year/1*cm = 740 years to
    7.40*100*cm*year/(0.83*cm) = 892 years.

    (time estimate for example Greenland ice melt would rise sea level 7.4 m and
    this would take time 740 – 892 years)

    2. RISING WATERS How NASA Monitoring Sea Level Rise https://nasa.gov/specials/sea-level-rise-2020

    Sea Level Rise (copy part of the text below in “ “ ):
    “3.3 mm/year“
    “This is 30% more than when NASA launched its first satellite mission to measure
    ocean height in 1992.”
    (12.7.2022 taken from the net)

    This would give 2.31 mm/year in 1993 and 3.3 mm/year in 2020, (2020-1993 = 27 years).

    Acceleration = a = change in velocity / change in time =

    a = (0.99 / 27) *mm/year^2 = 0.036666666 mm/year^2.

    Sea Level height would be a simple formula h = (1/2)*a*t^2, where unit of t is years and
    unit of h is mm.

    Assumption below calculation is that acceleration a remains constant.

    7.4 m = 7400 mm = (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 635 years.

    (time estimate for example Greenland ice melt would rise sea level 7.4 m and
    this would take time 635 years)

    Some other random sea level values and corresponding time estimates:

    1.0 m = 1000 mm = (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 234 years.

    0.5 m = 500 mm = (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 165 years.

    0.3 m = 300 mm = (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 128 years.

    0.2 m = 200 mm = (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 104 years.

    Best Regards,
    Hannu Poropudas
    Kolamäentie 9E,
    90900 Kiiminki / Oulu
    Finland
    CORRECTION: One term v*t added to the formula due approximation fit to the satellite measurement picture.
    (Whole last posting rewritten below, I'am sorry about my mistake in that last posting of mine)

    Two references of Sea Level Rise:
    1. Sweet,W.V. et al, 2022.
    Global and Regional Sea Level Rise Scenarios for the United States: Updated Mean Projections and Extreme Water Level Probabilities along U.S. Coastlines.
    NOAA Technical Report NOS 01. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration,
    National Ocean Service, Silver Spring, MD, 111 pp.
    ( https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/hazards/sealevelrise/noaa-nos-techrpt01-global-regional-SLR-scenarios-US.pdf
    )

    copy from page xii:
    “Relative sea level along the contiquous U.S. (CONUS) coastline is expected to rise
    on average as much over the next 30 years (0.25 – 0.30 m over 2020-2050) as it has
    over the last 100 years (1920 - 2020).”

    This would give sea level rise 0.83 cm/year – 1.00 cm/year.

    Assumption is below calculation that this sea level rise remains constant.

    Sea level rise 7.4 m would take time from 7.40*100*cm*year/1*cm = 740 years to
    7.40*100*cm*year/(0.83*cm) = 892 years.
    (time estimate example amount of Greenland ice melt would rise global sea level 7.4 m
    and this would take time 740 – 892 years ?)

    2. Ramsayer Kate, 2022.
    RISING WATERS How NASA Monitoring Sea Level Rise. https://www.nasa.gov/specials/sea-level-rise-2020
    (.html format article, 12.7.2022)

    Picture (.PNG format) axes of which are: vertical axis: Sea Height Variations (mm), (0-100)
    horizontal axis: YEARS, (1993-2022). RATE OF CHANGE 3.4 millimeters per year since 1993.

    Satellite Data: 1993-Present.
    Data Source: Satellite sea level observations.
    Credit: NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center.

    Source: climate.nasa.gov

    Sea Level Rise (copy parts of the text below in “ “ ):

    “Global Mean Sea Level from 1993 to 2020 has been rising about 3.3 millimeters per year.
    This number is calculated by averaging sea surface height data from a series of satellites:
    TOPEX/Poseidon, Jason-1, OSTM/Jason-2 and Jason-3. The data is recorded continues with
    the launch of Sentinel-6 Michael Freilich. (Credit: NASA).”

    “Global sea level is rising approximately 0.13 inches ( 3.3 millimeters) a year“

    “That’s 30% more than when NASA launched its first satellite mission to measure
    heights in 1992.”
    (12.7.2022 taken from the net and also .PNG snapshot picture was taken.) This would give 2.31 mm/year in 1993 and 3.3 mm/year in 2020,
    (2020-1993 = 27 years).

    Acceleration = a = change in velocity / change in time =

    a = (0.99 / 27) *mm/year^2 = 0.036666666 mm/year^2.
    Velocity = v = change in height / change in time =

    v = 3.3 mm/year

    Global Sea Level height would be approximated roughly by a simple formula

    h = v*t + (1/2)*a*t^2,
    where unit of t is years and unit of h is mm.
    Assumptions below calculation are that acceleration a and velocity v remain constant.

    7400 mm = 3.3 mm/year*t + (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 551 years.

    (time estimate for example amount of Greenland ice melt would rise global sea level 7.4 m
    and this would take time 551 years ?)

    Some other random global sea level rise values and corresponding time estimates:

    1000 mm = 3.3 mm/year*t + (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 160 years.

    500 mm = 3.3 mm/year*t + (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 98 years.

    300 mm = 3.3 mm/year*t + (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 66 years.

    200 mm = 3.3 mm/year*t + (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 48 years.

    100 mm = 3.3 mm/year*t + (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 26 years.

    50 mm = 3.3 mm/year*t + (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 14 years.

    10 mm = 3.3 mm/year*t + (1/2)* 0.036666666 mm/year^2*t^2, would give t = 3 years.
    Best Regards,

    Hannu Poropudas
    Kolamäentie 9E,
    90900 Kiiminki / Oulu
    Finland
    I found one reference which contained article about regional land uplift in Fennoscandia area
    after last ice-age:

    Reference:

    Veikkolainen, V. , 2013.
    Post-glacial rebound: modelling, measurement, significance on society.
    pp. 5-21.

    Fig 9 / page 18,

    LAND UPLIFT 9 mm/year near Oulu in Ostrobotnia area.

    Fig. 4 / page 11,

    LINEAR LINE (regional uplift dependence on time) picture:

    (vertical axis -90 mm to 90 mm, horizontal axis 1997 to 2007 years)
    (A continuous time series of the vertical movement of
    Kivetty GPS station, central Finland).

    In:
    Octavian, A., Vermeer, M. (Editors), 2013.
    GEONAVPOS: Seminar publications on Geodesy, Navigation and Positioning. Aalto University publication series Science + Technology 12 / 2013.
    Aalto University, School of Engineering, Department of Real Estate, Planning and Geoinformatics, Geoinformatics Research Group,
    ISBN 978-952-60-5214-5 (pdf),
    http://urn.fi/URN:ISBN:978-952-60-5214-4
    Unigrafia Oy Helsinki 2013, Finland.
    304 pages.

    Equality point in years for global sea level rise and different land level rises (uplifts):

    3.3*t+0.5*(0.99/27)*t^2 = k*t,

    k is uplift constant (regional Fennoscandia / Finland values after last ice-age)
    Asumption is that locally k is uplift constant several hundred years, Fig.4 /page 11.

    k = 9 mm/year, 8 mm/year, 7 mm/year, 6 mm/year, 5 mm/year, 4 mm/year, (Fig. 9 / page 18).

    Corresponding years to these above different k uplift constant values: 1993+311=2304,
    1993+256=2249.
    1993+202=2195,
    1993+147=2140,
    1993+93 =2086,
    1993+38 =2031

    Oulu area in north Finland,
    when global sea level rise starts to be greater than regional land uplift, seems to be guite far in future ?

    Helsinki area in south Finland seems to fit this last year, which is quite near in future ?
    Best Regards,
    Hannu Poropudas
    Kolamäentie 9E,
    90900 Kiiminki / Oulu
    Finland
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    # EXAMPLE (calculated with Maple9 program, > is commmand line mark)
    # Sea level rise in Helsinki area. FM Hannu Poropudas 29.7.2022
    # Sea level rise with land upplift 4 mm/year approximately

    # h = sea level rise in Helsinki area
    # h = (3.3-k)*t+0.5*(0.99/27)*t^2, k = 4 mm/year,
    # starting year = 1993, h in units of mm, t in units of year

    # 7400 mm
    solve(7400 = 3.3*t+0.5*(0.99/27)*t^2-4.0*t,t);
    # -616.5196842, 654.7015024
    # 1993+655=2648


    REMARK 1:

    Point of time is approximately year 2524 when local sea level has risen 4.8 m in Helsinki area:
    # 4800 mm
    solve(4800=3.3*t+(0.5)*(0.99/27)*t^2-4.0*t,t);
    # -492.9468283, 531.1286465
    # 1993 + 531 = 2524

    # 1000 mm
    solve(1000 = 3.3*t+0.5*(0.99/27)*t^2-4.0*t,t);
    # -215.2377433, 253.4195615
    # 1993+253=2246

    # 500 mm
    solve(500 = 3.3*t+0.5*(0.99/27)*t^2-4.0*t,t);
    -147.1534595, 185.3352776
    # 1993+185=2178

    # 400 mm
    solve(400 = 3.3*t+0.5*(0.99/27)*t^2-4.0*t,t);
    # -129.8474829, 168.0293011
    # 1993+168=2161

    # 300 mm
    solve(300 = 3.3*t+0.5*(0.99/27)*t^2-4.0*t,t);
    # -110.2462440, 148.4280622
    # 1993+148=2141

    # 200 mm
    solve(200 = 3.3*t+0.5*(0.99/27)*t^2-4.0*t,t);
    # -87.08608331, 125.2679015
    # 1993+125=2118

    # 100 mm
    solve(100 = 3.3*t+0.5*(0.99/27)*t^2-4.0*t,t);
    # -57.19151525, 95.37333342
    # 1993+95=2088

    # 50 mm
    solve(50 = 3.3*t+0.5*(0.99/27)*t^2-4.0*t,t);
    # -36.51246794, 74.69428610
    # 1993+75=2068
    # 40 mm
    solve(40 = 3.3*t+0.5*(0.99/27)*t^2-4.0*t,t);
    # -31.36977849, 69.55159666
    # 1993+70=2063

    # 30 mm
    solve(30 = 3.3*t+0.5*(0.99/27)*t^2-4.0*t,t);
    # -25.63968945, 63.82150762
    # 1993+64=2057

    # 20 mm
    solve(20 = 3.3*t+0.5*(0.99/27)*t^2-4.0*t,t);
    # -19.05842774, 57.24024591
    # 1993+57=2050

    # 10 mm
    solve(10 = 3.3*t+0.5*(0.99/27)*t^2-4.0*t,t);
    # -11.07392731, 49.25574548
    # 1993+49=2042
    Best Regards,

    Hannu Poropudas

    Kolamäentie 9E
    90900 Kiiminki / Oulu
    Finland

    REMARK 2:

    Point of time is approximately year 2649 when local sea level has risen 4.8 m in Oulu area:
    # 4800 mm
    solve(4800=3.3*t+(0.5)*(0.99/27)*t^2-8.0*t,t);
    # -399.3110825, 655.6747188
    # 1993 + 656 = 2649

    Best Regards, Hannu Poropudas

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