• Re: El Nino was first noted in the 1600s, long before global warming

    From Charlie Glock <"Charlie@21:1/5 to Byker on Sun Jul 2 22:29:45 2023
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    On 2023-07-02, Byker <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:
    "El Zero" wrote in message news:2403c24f3206ab482b8485f09b80d66c@dizum.com...

    How long has El Niño existed?

    Since the end of the last Ice Age. The Aztecs, Mayans, and Incas knew all about it long before the conquistadors arrived.

    BTW, what were the carbon levels in 1876-78?: https://tinyurl.com/mtb32mtd


    Ask a Climate nut about the "Little Ice Age" and they start stammering.
    Climate change has been here since before man even walked the earth.
    It has far less to do with man and far more to do with the cycles of nature.



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  • From Byker@21:1/5 to El Zero on Sun Jul 2 17:26:17 2023
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    "El Zero" wrote in message
    news:2403c24f3206ab482b8485f09b80d66c@dizum.com...

    How long has El Nio existed?

    Since the end of the last Ice Age. The Aztecs, Mayans, and Incas knew all
    about it long before the conquistadors arrived.

    BTW, what were the carbon levels in 1876-78?: https://tinyurl.com/mtb32mtd

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  • From Siri Cruise@21:1/5 to Charlie Glock on Sun Jul 2 16:20:30 2023
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    Charlie Glock wrote:
    Climate change has been here since before man even walked the earth.

    Long before farming?

    Ask a Climate nut about the "Little Ice Age" and they start stammering.

    Yeah, people starved, but so what.

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  • From Charlie Glock <"Charlie@21:1/5 to Siri Cruise on Sun Jul 2 23:56:12 2023
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    On 2023-07-02, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote:
    Charlie Glock wrote:
    Climate change has been here since before man even walked the earth.

    Long before farming?

    Ask a Climate nut about the "Little Ice Age" and they start stammering.

    Yeah, people starved, but so what.


    U are beyond help.
    So vote crazy Joe Biden.
    Good luck with that.


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  • From Sn!pe@21:1/5 to Siri Cruise on Mon Jul 3 00:43:28 2023
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    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote:

    Charlie Glock wrote:
    Climate change has been here since before man even walked the earth.

    Long before farming?

    Ask a Climate nut about the "Little Ice Age" and they start stammering.

    Yeah, people starved, but so what.

    The absurd thing is: given that much of climate change is a result of
    the natural cycle of ice ages and interglacials, some people think that
    by reducing anthropogenic CO2 production we can actually do anything
    about reversing that change. We may as well be farting in a hurricane
    for all the good it might do. Come back King Canute; all is forgiven!

    IMO "Net Zero CO2" is futile; not much more than a cynical money-making
    scheme for the benefit of our masters, and aren't they just coining it.

    --
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  • From Janithor@21:1/5 to mixed nuts on Sun Jul 2 18:31:44 2023
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    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    x-no-archive: yes

    On 7/2/2023 6:27 PM, mixed nuts wrote:
    On 7/2/2023 19:43, Sn!pe wrote:
    Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote:
    Charlie Glock wrote:
    Climate change has been here since before man even walked the earth.

    Long before farming?

    Ask a Climate nut about the "Little Ice Age" and they start stammering. >>>
    Yeah, people starved, but so what.

    The absurd thing is:  given that much of climate change is a result of
    the natural cycle of ice ages and interglacials, some people think that
    by reducing anthropogenic CO2 production we can actually do anything
    about reversing that change.  We may as well be farting in a hurricane
    for all the good it might do.  Come back King Canute; all is forgiven!

    IMO "Net Zero CO2" is futile; not much more than a cynical money-making
    scheme for the benefit of our masters, and aren't they just coining it.

    Sir, you seem to have a deep natural understanding of natural cycle. Are
    you a genius professor at a major research university in the Department
    of Natural Understanding of Natural Cycle?  Are you, perhaps, the Chairperson of the Subdepartment of Super-Geniousing and Other Matters
    of Concern?

    He's a Trump-voting Pentecostal speaking-in-tongues MAGA Nazi.
    Scientifically deduced, of course. The poor schmuck, he doesn't
    understand scientific socialism. It's all very scientific. Abolish!

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  • From Siri Cruise@21:1/5 to Charlie Glock on Sun Jul 2 18:26:32 2023
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    Charlie Glock wrote:
    On 2023-07-02, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote:
    Charlie Glock wrote:
    Climate change has been here since before man even walked the earth.

    Long before farming?

    Ask a Climate nut about the "Little Ice Age" and they start stammering.

    Yeah, people starved, but so what.


    U are beyond help.
    So vote crazy Joe Biden.
    Good luck with that.
    I don't vote for conservatives.

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  • From mixed nuts@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 2 21:27:10 2023
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    On 7/2/2023 19:43, Sn!pe wrote:
    Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote:
    Charlie Glock wrote:
    Climate change has been here since before man even walked the earth.

    Long before farming?

    Ask a Climate nut about the "Little Ice Age" and they start stammering.

    Yeah, people starved, but so what.

    The absurd thing is: given that much of climate change is a result of
    the natural cycle of ice ages and interglacials, some people think that
    by reducing anthropogenic CO2 production we can actually do anything
    about reversing that change. We may as well be farting in a hurricane
    for all the good it might do. Come back King Canute; all is forgiven!

    IMO "Net Zero CO2" is futile; not much more than a cynical money-making scheme for the benefit of our masters, and aren't they just coining it.

    Sir, you seem to have a deep natural understanding of natural cycle. Are
    you a genius professor at a major research university in the Department
    of Natural Understanding of Natural Cycle? Are you, perhaps, the
    Chairperson of the Subdepartment of Super-Geniousing and Other Matters
    of Concern?

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  • From Siri Cruise@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 2 18:25:55 2023
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    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    Sn!pe wrote:
    Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote:

    Charlie Glock wrote:
    Climate change has been here since before man even walked the earth.

    Long before farming?

    Ask a Climate nut about the "Little Ice Age" and they start stammering.

    Yeah, people starved, but so what.

    The absurd thing is: given that much of climate change is a result of

    Why gamble with famine? Reducing carbon dioxide has other
    benefits, so why risk agriculture when we don't need to.

    the natural cycle of ice ages and interglacials, some people think that
    by reducing anthropogenic CO2 production we can actually do anything

    Reducing carbon dioxide production will mean getting the US out of
    endless middle east wars. I wouldn't mind telling KSA, Israel,
    Iran, and the rest to bugger off, we don't want your oil, so
    continue killing each other without us.

    And going green reduces the amount of poison we dump in the air,
    water, and soil.

    about reversing that change. We may as well be farting in a hurricane
    for all the good it might do. Come back King Canute; all is forgiven!

    IMO "Net Zero CO2" is futile; not much more than a cynical money-making scheme for the benefit of our masters, and aren't they just coining it.

    Going green is pushed in California to reduce the air pollution.
    Even before the Spanish settled, California had smog problems from
    Indian domestic fires. Reducing carbon dioxide reduces nitrogen
    oxide and other pollutants that poison our children.

    I really don't know or care about global warming. I want to stop
    pretending it's a chore to send our young off to war. A big f**k
    you to south asia, and stop killing our own people here.

    (California is made up of basins surrounded by hills and
    mountains. Thanks to the cold water current of the Pacific, we get
    frequent inversions over basins. Any smoke and air pollution gets
    trapped in the air of basins, unable to rise through the inversion
    and get blown away over the hills.)


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  • From " @21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 2 19:36:41 2023
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    Warning! Always wear ANSI approved safety goggles when reading posts by Checkmate.

    On Mon, 3 Jul 2023 00:43:28 +0100, Sn!pe had the audacity to say the
    following:



    Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote:

    Charlie Glock wrote:
    Climate change has been here since before man even walked the earth.

    Long before farming?

    Ask a Climate nut about the "Little Ice Age" and they start stammering.

    Yeah, people starved, but so what.

    The absurd thing is: given that much of climate change is a result of
    the natural cycle of ice ages and interglacials, some people think that
    by reducing anthropogenic CO2 production we can actually do anything
    about reversing that change. We may as well be farting in a hurricane
    for all the good it might do. Come back King Canute; all is forgiven!

    IMO "Net Zero CO2" is futile; not much more than a cynical money-making scheme for the benefit of our masters, and aren't they just coining it.

    Yep, the whole thing is one big scam. We're doing far more harm to the
    world's economy than even the most delusional idiot could hope we're going
    to accomplish trying to "fix" the climate at the expense of everything else. The climate is doing whatever it damned well pleases, regardless. A broken economy disrupts everything concerning life... who goes hungry, who has shelter, how much crime increases, who goes to war... everything that
    concerns life on this planet. Life survives because we learn to adapt, and adaptation has never been easier than it is today. The Globalists have
    worked very hard to churn out an increasing number of ignorant zombies too fucking stupid and "woke" to see this for what it really is.

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  • From Governor Swill@21:1/5 to snipeco.2@gmail.com on Mon Jul 3 00:12:08 2023
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    On Mon, 3 Jul 2023 00:43:28 +0100, snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:

    Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote:

    Charlie Glock wrote:
    Climate change has been here since before man even walked the earth.

    Long before farming?

    Ask a Climate nut about the "Little Ice Age" and they start stammering.

    Yeah, people starved, but so what.

    The absurd thing is: given that much of climate change is a result of
    the natural cycle of ice ages and interglacials, some people think that
    by reducing anthropogenic CO2 production we can actually do anything
    about reversing that change. We may as well be farting in a hurricane
    for all the good it might do. Come back King Canute; all is forgiven!

    IMO "Net Zero CO2" is futile; not much more than a cynical money-making >scheme for the benefit of our masters, and aren't they just coining it.

    Where did you get your degree in climate science?

    Swill
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  • From Governor Swill@21:1/5 to Byker on Mon Jul 3 00:09:10 2023
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    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On Sun, 2 Jul 2023 17:26:17 -0500, "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:

    "El Zero" wrote in message >news:2403c24f3206ab482b8485f09b80d66c@dizum.com...

    How long has El Nio existed?

    Since the end of the last Ice Age. The Aztecs, Mayans, and Incas knew all >about it long before the conquistadors arrived.

    BTW, what were the carbon levels in 1876-78?: https://tinyurl.com/mtb32mtd

    So? What does El Nino, La Nina have to do with global warming?

    Swill
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  • From Governor Swill@21:1/5 to Glock"@localhost.com on Mon Jul 3 00:11:04 2023
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    On Sun, 02 Jul 2023 22:29:45 GMT, Charlie Glock <"Charlie Glock"@localhost.com> wrote:

    Ask a Climate nut about the "Little Ice Age" and they start stammering. >Climate change has been here since before man even walked the earth.
    It has far less to do with man and far more to do with the cycles of nature.

    Pretty much to be expected from a guy whose sig file is a lie.

    Charlie Glock
    "To conquer a nation, first disarm it's citizens"
    Adolf Hitler

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  • From Siri Cruise@21:1/5 to Janithor on Mon Jul 3 00:22:05 2023
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    Janithor wrote:
    x-no-archive: yes

    On 7/2/2023 6:27 PM, mixed nuts wrote:
    On 7/2/2023 19:43, Sn!pe wrote:
    Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote:
    Charlie Glock wrote:
    Climate change has been here since before man even walked the
    earth.

    Long before farming?

    Ask a Climate nut about the "Little Ice Age" and they start
    stammering.

    Yeah, people starved, but so what.

    The absurd thing is:  given that much of climate change is a
    result of
    the natural cycle of ice ages and interglacials, some people
    think that
    by reducing anthropogenic CO2 production we can actually do
    anything
    about reversing that change.  We may as well be farting in a
    hurricane
    for all the good it might do.  Come back King Canute; all is
    forgiven!

    IMO "Net Zero CO2" is futile; not much more than a cynical
    money-making
    scheme for the benefit of our masters, and aren't they just
    coining it.

    Sir, you seem to have a deep natural understanding of natural
    cycle. Are you a genius professor at a major research university
    in the Department of Natural Understanding of Natural Cycle?
    Are you, perhaps, the Chairperson of the Subdepartment of
    Super-Geniousing and Other Matters of Concern?

    He's a Trump-voting Pentecostal speaking-in-tongues MAGA Nazi.
    Scientifically deduced, of course.  The poor schmuck, he doesn't
    understand scientific socialism.  It's all very scientific.  Abolish!

    Our most fervent idjt voters all live in England.

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  • From Sn!pe@21:1/5 to Siri Cruise on Mon Jul 3 10:29:25 2023
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    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote:
    [...]
    IMO "Net Zero CO2" is futile; not much more than a cynical
    money-making scheme for the benefit of our masters, and
    aren't they just coining it.

    Sir, you seem to have a deep natural understanding of natural
    cycle. Are you a genius professor at a major research university
    in the Department of Natural Understanding of Natural Cycle?
    Are you, perhaps, the Chairperson of the Subdepartment of
    Super-Geniousing and Other Matters of Concern?

    He's a Trump-voting Pentecostal speaking-in-tongues MAGA Nazi. Scientifically deduced, of course. The poor schmuck, he doesn't
    understand scientific socialism. It's all very scientific. Abolish!

    Our most fervent idjt voters all live in England.

    [preen]

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  • From Governor Swill@21:1/5 to Siri Cruise on Mon Jul 3 10:15:15 2023
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    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On Sun, 2 Jul 2023 18:25:55 -0700, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote:


    (California is made up of basins surrounded by hills and
    mountains. Thanks to the cold water current of the Pacific, we get
    frequent inversions over basins. Any smoke and air pollution gets
    trapped in the air of basins, unable to rise through the inversion
    and get blown away over the hills.)

    This is why geography really is relevant. It also explains why the kids who ignored
    geography in school grew up to become Republicans.

    Swill
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  • From Sn!pe@21:1/5 to Siri Cruise on Mon Jul 3 19:22:53 2023
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    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote:

    Sn!pe wrote:
    Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote:

    Charlie Glock wrote:
    Climate change has been here since before man even walked the earth.

    Long before farming?

    Ask a Climate nut about the "Little Ice Age" and they start stammering. >>
    Yeah, people starved, but so what.

    The absurd thing is: given that much of climate change is a result of

    Why gamble with famine? Reducing carbon dioxide has other
    benefits, so why risk agriculture when we don't need to.

    the natural cycle of ice ages and interglacials, some people think that
    by reducing anthropogenic CO2 production we can actually do anything

    Reducing carbon dioxide production will mean getting the US out of
    endless middle east wars. I wouldn't mind telling KSA, Israel,
    Iran, and the rest to bugger off, we don't want your oil, so
    continue killing each other without us.

    And going green reduces the amount of poison we dump in the air,
    water, and soil.

    about reversing that change. We may as well be farting in a hurricane
    for all the good it might do. Come back King Canute; all is forgiven!

    IMO "Net Zero CO2" is futile; not much more than a cynical money-making scheme for the benefit of our masters, and aren't they just coining it.

    Going green is pushed in California to reduce the air pollution.
    Even before the Spanish settled, California had smog problems from
    Indian domestic fires. Reducing carbon dioxide reduces nitrogen
    oxide and other pollutants that poison our children.

    I really don't know or care about global warming. I want to stop
    pretending it's a chore to send our young off to war. A big f**k
    you to south asia, and stop killing our own people here.

    (California is made up of basins surrounded by hills and
    mountains. Thanks to the cold water current of the Pacific, we get
    frequent inversions over basins. Any smoke and air pollution gets
    trapped in the air of basins, unable to rise through the inversion
    and get blown away over the hills.)


    That's a lot of conflation going on there. By all means have those
    worthy aims but it obscures the debate to lump it all in together.

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  • From Byker@21:1/5 to Byker on Mon Jul 3 18:05:02 2023
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    "Governor Swill" wrote in message news:bei4aihojcmv4kjteh2kokagv4lc5otn5c@4ax.com...

    On Sun, 2 Jul 2023 17:26:17 -0500, "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:

    "El Zero" wrote in message >>news:2403c24f3206ab482b8485f09b80d66c@dizum.com...

    How long has El Nio existed?

    Since the end of the last Ice Age. The Aztecs, Mayans, and Incas knew all >>about it long before the conquistadors arrived.

    BTW, what were the carbon levels in 1876-78?: https://tinyurl.com/mtb32mtd

    So? What does El Nino, La Nina have to do with global warming?

    You'll have to ask the lamers, flamers, and forgers about that one...

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  • From Governor Swill@21:1/5 to Byker on Mon Jul 3 20:19:12 2023
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    On Mon, 3 Jul 2023 18:05:02 -0500, "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:

    "Governor Swill" wrote in message >news:bei4aihojcmv4kjteh2kokagv4lc5otn5c@4ax.com...

    On Sun, 2 Jul 2023 17:26:17 -0500, "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:

    "El Zero" wrote in message >>>news:2403c24f3206ab482b8485f09b80d66c@dizum.com...

    How long has El Nio existed?

    Since the end of the last Ice Age. The Aztecs, Mayans, and Incas knew all >>>about it long before the conquistadors arrived.

    BTW, what were the carbon levels in 1876-78?: https://tinyurl.com/mtb32mtd >>
    So? What does El Nino, La Nina have to do with global warming?

    You'll have to ask the lamers, flamers, and forgers about that one...

    And since they haven't answered . . .

    Swill
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  • From Governor Swill@21:1/5 to snipeco.2@gmail.com on Mon Jul 3 20:17:48 2023
    XPost: alt.checkmate, alt.global-warming, talk.politics.guns
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On Mon, 3 Jul 2023 19:22:53 +0100, snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:

    Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote:

    Sn!pe wrote:
    Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote:

    Charlie Glock wrote:
    Climate change has been here since before man even walked the earth.

    Long before farming?

    Ask a Climate nut about the "Little Ice Age" and they start stammering. >> >>
    Yeah, people starved, but so what.

    The absurd thing is: given that much of climate change is a result of

    Why gamble with famine? Reducing carbon dioxide has other
    benefits, so why risk agriculture when we don't need to.

    the natural cycle of ice ages and interglacials, some people think that
    by reducing anthropogenic CO2 production we can actually do anything

    Reducing carbon dioxide production will mean getting the US out of
    endless middle east wars. I wouldn't mind telling KSA, Israel,
    Iran, and the rest to bugger off, we don't want your oil, so
    continue killing each other without us.

    And going green reduces the amount of poison we dump in the air,
    water, and soil.

    about reversing that change. We may as well be farting in a hurricane
    for all the good it might do. Come back King Canute; all is forgiven!

    IMO "Net Zero CO2" is futile; not much more than a cynical money-making
    scheme for the benefit of our masters, and aren't they just coining it.

    Going green is pushed in California to reduce the air pollution.
    Even before the Spanish settled, California had smog problems from
    Indian domestic fires. Reducing carbon dioxide reduces nitrogen
    oxide and other pollutants that poison our children.

    I really don't know or care about global warming. I want to stop
    pretending it's a chore to send our young off to war. A big f**k
    you to south asia, and stop killing our own people here.

    (California is made up of basins surrounded by hills and
    mountains. Thanks to the cold water current of the Pacific, we get
    frequent inversions over basins. Any smoke and air pollution gets
    trapped in the air of basins, unable to rise through the inversion
    and get blown away over the hills.)


    That's a lot of conflation going on there. By all means have those
    worthy aims but it obscures the debate to lump it all in together.

    She was explaining that California's green push has less to do with Climate Change and
    more to do with local pollution. It's been that way since the 1960s.

    Swill
    --
    Welcome to reality. Enjoy your visit!

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  • From Sn!pe@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Tue Jul 4 01:46:02 2023
    XPost: alt.checkmate, alt.global-warming, talk.politics.guns
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    [Sn!pe]
    That's a lot of conflation going on there. By all means have those
    worthy aims but it obscures the debate to lump it all in together.

    She was explaining that California's green push has less to do with
    Climate Change and more to do with local pollution. It's been that
    way since the 1960s.

    Of course, but that is hijacking the thread and taking it into other
    topics. The subject is El Niño and its effect (or otherwise) on
    "Global Warming". I can't imagine that Siri really intended to
    perpetrate a "But What About".

    --
    ^Ï^. – Sn!pe – <https://youtu.be/_kqytf31a8E>

    My pet rock Gordon just is.

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  • From xdmod2@21:1/5 to Siri Cruise on Tue Jul 4 00:08:06 2023
    XPost: alt.checkmate, alt.global-warming, talk.politics.guns
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    "Siri Cruise" <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote in message news:u7t849$3j2n0$2@dont-email.me...
    Charlie Glock wrote:
    On 2023-07-02, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote:
    Charlie Glock wrote:
    Climate change has been here since before man even walked the earth.

    Long before farming?

    Ask a Climate nut about the "Little Ice Age" and they start stammering. >>>
    Yeah, people starved, but so what.


    U are beyond help.
    So vote crazy Joe Biden.
    Good luck with that.
    I don't vote for conservatives.

    Dude, you will vote for the person you think will cause the highest body
    count.

    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
    The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 3.O / \
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  • From xdmod2@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Tue Jul 4 00:09:17 2023
    XPost: alt.checkmate, alt.global-warming, talk.politics.guns
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:dbp6ai1vdgdgnob36uj1bqskf2l9jgtfbb@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 3 Jul 2023 18:05:02 -0500, "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:

    "Governor Swill" wrote in message >>news:bei4aihojcmv4kjteh2kokagv4lc5otn5c@4ax.com...

    On Sun, 2 Jul 2023 17:26:17 -0500, "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:

    "El Zero" wrote in message >>>>news:2403c24f3206ab482b8485f09b80d66c@dizum.com...

    How long has El Nio existed?

    Since the end of the last Ice Age. The Aztecs, Mayans, and Incas knew >>>>all
    about it long before the conquistadors arrived.

    BTW, what were the carbon levels in 1876-78?: >>>>https://tinyurl.com/mtb32mtd

    So? What does El Nino, La Nina have to do with global warming?

    You'll have to ask the lamers, flamers, and forgers about that one...

    And since they haven't answered . . .

    You know a lot about that.

    Swill
    --
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  • From Governor Swill@21:1/5 to Glock"@localhost.com on Tue Jul 4 02:03:49 2023
    XPost: alt.checkmate, alt.global-warming, talk.politics.guns
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On Sun, 02 Jul 2023 22:29:45 GMT, Charlie Glock <"Charlie Glock"@localhost.com> wrote:

    Ask a Climate nut about the "Little Ice Age" and they start stammering.

    No, they don't. Volcanic activity is to blame for quite a bit of short term climate
    change. Look up, "the year without a summer" sometime. There have been MANY major
    eruptions in recorded history that were followed by global climate disruption.

    Swill
    --
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  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 3 11:17:30 2023
    XPost: alt.checkmate, alt.global-warming, talk.politics.guns
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    In news:dtl5aih7u5iu19nbohbbkp01ia6e3snjj4@4ax.com, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    On Sun, 2 Jul 2023 18:25:55 -0700, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote:

    (California is made up of basins surrounded by hills and
    mountains. Thanks to the cold water current of the Pacific, we get
    frequent inversions over basins. Any smoke and air pollution gets
    trapped in the air of basins, unable to rise through the inversion
    and get blown away over the hills.)

    This is why geography really is relevant. It also explains why the kids who ignored geography in school grew up to become Republicans.

    And the ones who ignored Civics grew up to be Democrats.

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  • From Siri Cruise@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 4 02:12:14 2023
    XPost: alt.checkmate, alt.global-warming, talk.politics.guns
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    Sn!pe wrote:
    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    [Sn!pe]
    That's a lot of conflation going on there. By all means have those
    worthy aims but it obscures the debate to lump it all in together.

    She was explaining that California's green push has less to do with
    Climate Change and more to do with local pollution. It's been that
    way since the 1960s.

    Of course, but that is hijacking the thread and taking it into other
    topics. The subject is El Niño and its effect (or otherwise) on
    "Global Warming". I can't imagine that Siri really intended to
    perpetrate a "But What About".

    California is also the principal victim of El Nino. Because we
    have basins surrounded hills which often have clay layers, we get
    lots of slides and floods.

    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
    The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 3.O / \
    of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

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  • From Siri Cruise@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Tue Jul 4 02:07:44 2023
    XPost: alt.checkmate, alt.global-warming, talk.politics.guns
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    Governor Swill wrote:
    On Mon, 3 Jul 2023 19:22:53 +0100, snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:

    Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote:

    Sn!pe wrote:
    Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote:

    Charlie Glock wrote:
    Climate change has been here since before man even walked the earth. >>>>>
    Long before farming?

    Ask a Climate nut about the "Little Ice Age" and they start stammering. >>>>>
    Yeah, people starved, but so what.

    The absurd thing is: given that much of climate change is a result of

    Why gamble with famine? Reducing carbon dioxide has other
    benefits, so why risk agriculture when we don't need to.

    the natural cycle of ice ages and interglacials, some people think that >>>> by reducing anthropogenic CO2 production we can actually do anything

    Reducing carbon dioxide production will mean getting the US out of
    endless middle east wars. I wouldn't mind telling KSA, Israel,
    Iran, and the rest to bugger off, we don't want your oil, so
    continue killing each other without us.

    And going green reduces the amount of poison we dump in the air,
    water, and soil.

    about reversing that change. We may as well be farting in a hurricane >>>> for all the good it might do. Come back King Canute; all is forgiven! >>>>
    IMO "Net Zero CO2" is futile; not much more than a cynical money-making >>>> scheme for the benefit of our masters, and aren't they just coining it. >>>
    Going green is pushed in California to reduce the air pollution.
    Even before the Spanish settled, California had smog problems from
    Indian domestic fires. Reducing carbon dioxide reduces nitrogen
    oxide and other pollutants that poison our children.

    I really don't know or care about global warming. I want to stop
    pretending it's a chore to send our young off to war. A big f**k
    you to south asia, and stop killing our own people here.

    (California is made up of basins surrounded by hills and
    mountains. Thanks to the cold water current of the Pacific, we get
    frequent inversions over basins. Any smoke and air pollution gets
    trapped in the air of basins, unable to rise through the inversion
    and get blown away over the hills.)


    That's a lot of conflation going on there. By all means have those
    worthy aims but it obscures the debate to lump it all in together.

    She was explaining that California's green push has less to do with Climate Change and
    more to do with local pollution. It's been that way since the 1960s.

    Nationwide reducing gasoline means the USA becomes insulated from
    interminable south asia violence.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna11110276

    Bush: U.S. must cut dependence on Mideast oil
    In his fifth State of the Union address, President Bush, pushing
    to take charge of an election-year agenda, said America must break
    its dependence on Mideast oil and defended his strategy for the
    unpopular war in Iraq.

    A politically weakened President Bush declared Tuesday night that
    America must break its long dependence on Middle East oil and
    rebuked critics of his stay-the-course strategy for the unpopular
    war in Iraq.

    “America is addicted to oil, which is often imported from unstable
    parts of the world,” Bush said as he sought to drive the
    election-year agenda in his annual State of the Union address.

    Rejecting calls for the withdrawal of troops from Iraq, Bush said,
    “There is no peace in retreat.” He also slapped at those who
    complain he took the country to war on the erroneous grounds that
    Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction.

    --
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  • From Sn!pe@21:1/5 to Siri Cruise on Tue Jul 4 11:10:43 2023
    XPost: alt.checkmate, alt.global-warming, talk.politics.guns
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote:

    Sn!pe wrote:
    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    [Sn!pe]
    That's a lot of conflation going on there. By all means have those
    worthy aims but it obscures the debate to lump it all in together.

    She was explaining that California's green push has less to do with
    Climate Change and more to do with local pollution. It's been that
    way since the 1960s.

    Of course, but that is hijacking the thread and taking it into other topics. The subject is El Niño and its effect (or otherwise) on
    "Global Warming". I can't imagine that Siri really intended to
    perpetrate a "But What About".

    California is also the principal victim of El Nino. Because we
    have basins surrounded hills which often have clay layers, we get
    lots of slides and floods.


    That's a very US and California-centric view.

    NOAA says: "El Niño and La Niña are climate patterns
    in the Pacific Ocean that can affect weather worldwide."

    <https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/ninonina.html>

    While the NOAA page concentrates on the US, the whole world
    suffers extreme weather during El Niño -- severe droughts, huge
    storms, excessive rainfall, etc.

    <https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-64192508>

    See the temperature and precipitation impact maps halfway down
    that page.

    --
    ^Ï^. – Sn!pe – <https://youtu.be/_kqytf31a8E>

    My pet rock Gordon just is.

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  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 4 06:37:18 2023
    XPost: alt.checkmate, alt.global-warming, talk.politics.guns
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    In news:1qdcbhq.veal1c1pjokpcN%snipeco.2@gmail.com, Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> typed:

    Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote:
    Sn!pe wrote:
    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    [Sn!pe]
    That's a lot of conflation going on there. By all means have those
    worthy aims but it obscures the debate to lump it all in together.

    She was explaining that California's green push has less to do with
    Climate Change and more to do with local pollution. It's been that
    way since the 1960s.

    Of course, but that is hijacking the thread and taking it into other
    topics. The subject is El Nio and its effect (or otherwise) on
    "Global Warming". I can't imagine that Siri really intended to
    perpetrate a "But What About".

    California is also the principal victim of El Nino. Because we
    have basins surrounded hills which often have clay layers, we get
    lots of slides and floods.

    That's a very US and California-centric view.

    "Siri" may be the most provincial poster you'll encounter on UseNet. Her world is the Bay Area.

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  • From Siri Cruise@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 4 07:48:14 2023
    XPost: alt.checkmate, alt.global-warming, talk.politics.guns
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    Sn!pe wrote:
    That's a very US and California-centric view.

    NOAA says: "El Niño and La Niña are climate patterns
    in the Pacific Ocean that can affect weather worldwide."

    It also fills up fishing nets in South America along the Pacific
    coast.

    --
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  • From NoBody@21:1/5 to governor.swill@gmail.com on Tue Jul 4 11:54:02 2023
    XPost: alt.checkmate, alt.global-warming, talk.politics.guns
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On Mon, 03 Jul 2023 00:12:08 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 3 Jul 2023 00:43:28 +0100, snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:

    Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote:

    Charlie Glock wrote:
    Climate change has been here since before man even walked the earth.

    Long before farming?

    Ask a Climate nut about the "Little Ice Age" and they start stammering. >>>
    Yeah, people starved, but so what.

    The absurd thing is: given that much of climate change is a result of
    the natural cycle of ice ages and interglacials, some people think that
    by reducing anthropogenic CO2 production we can actually do anything
    about reversing that change. We may as well be farting in a hurricane
    for all the good it might do. Come back King Canute; all is forgiven!

    IMO "Net Zero CO2" is futile; not much more than a cynical money-making >>scheme for the benefit of our masters, and aren't they just coining it.

    Where did you get your degree in climate science?

    Swill

    Where did yours come from?

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  • From NoBody@21:1/5 to governor.swill@gmail.com on Tue Jul 4 11:57:00 2023
    XPost: alt.checkmate, alt.global-warming, talk.politics.guns
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On Mon, 03 Jul 2023 00:09:10 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 2 Jul 2023 17:26:17 -0500, "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:

    "El Zero" wrote in message >>news:2403c24f3206ab482b8485f09b80d66c@dizum.com...

    How long has El Nio existed?

    Since the end of the last Ice Age. The Aztecs, Mayans, and Incas knew all >>about it long before the conquistadors arrived.

    BTW, what were the carbon levels in 1876-78?: https://tinyurl.com/mtb32mtd

    So? What does El Nino, La Nina have to do with global warming?


    This is just more of the scam pushed on the public. The new mantra is
    that "man-made global warming" is combining with El Nino to make
    global warming much worse.

    Swill

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