• Pedophrasty ala Greta

    From zinn@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 7 06:34:59 2022
    XPost: alt.global-warming, talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: sac.politics

    An argument involving children to prop up a rationalization and make the opponent look like a bully. People will more likely suspend scepticism in front of suffering children. Nobody then has the heart to question the authenticity or source of the reporting.

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    Pedophrasty
    Definition: Argument involving children to prop up a rationalization and
    make the opponent look like an asshole, as people are defenseless and
    suspend all skepticism in front of suffering children: nobody has the
    heart to question the authenticity or source of the reporting. Often done
    with the aid of pictures.

    Can also describe the exploitation of babies by professional beggars who
    rent them from their parents and use them as potent appendage in their trade(remember that children tend to grow and need to be replaced).

    Pedophrasts prey on our maternal (and paternal) instincts.

    Pedophrasty has its most effects on actors, journalists and similar types
    who are intellectually insecure, deprived of critical judgment, and afraid
    of being classified as violators of some norm of political correctness.
    For instance, pedophrasty has been commonly used in the Syrian war by such propagandists as Julian Roepke continuously supplying the German public
    with pictures of dead children. Or the various lobbies hired by Saudi
    Barbaria (and allies), such as the Middle East Institute in Washington DC,
    to promote Sunni Islamist policies under the cover of “think tanks”.

    Example: The Nayirah testimony, a false congressional testimony by 15-
    year-old girl who provided only her first name, Nayirah (she turned out to
    be the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador to the U.S.) was a bit
    responsible for tipping the US into the war. Nayirah claimed that she had witnessed Iraqi soldiers take babies out of incubators a Kuwaiti hospital,
    and leave the babies to die. Nobody dared to question the veracity of her claims. Her claims, it turned out, were all fabrications; but it’s too
    late to reverse the war.

    Bigoteering
    Originates with Tim Ferriss, describes tagging someone (or someone’s
    opinions) as “racist”, “chauvinist” or somethinglikeit-ist in situations
    where these are not warranted. This is a shoddy manipulation to exploit
    the stigmas accompanying such labels and force the opponent to spent time
    and energy explaining “why he/she is not a bigot”.

    Note that it is the true victims of bigotry that are insulted by virtue- peddling bigoteers.

    Example: The Lebanese government is always accused of racism by first
    order bigoteers whenever they discuss the case of Syrian refugees (close
    to 20–30% of thee population), then put on the defensive having to explain
    that “we are not racist, but”. Lebanese officials fail to use the argument
    that foreign bigoteers should have some skin in the game and try to settle
    some Syrian refugees in their Washington, Parisian, or London backyard.
    They are the one who are racist by not doing so.

    Example: Both the Kurds who are asking for independence and the Arabs who refuse to grant it accuse one another of “racism”. Likewise, Arabists
    accuse localists (such as those who claim Canaanite, Phoenician or Coptic culture and habits away from Arab domination and Arabist identitarian monoculturism) of racism, forgetting that Arabism is grounded in a fundamentally imperialist, anti-inclusive and supremacist ideology. A
    localist wants others to leave him alone (leave me alone, I leave you
    alone, thus executing the moral symmetry of the silver rule), while
    Arabists want non-Sunni minorities to be — culturally and politically —
    their dhimmi servants or second class citizens under the cover of “nonsectarianism”.

    Second Order Bigoteering: in addition to bigoteering, siding with one
    party in a conflict based on race or gender without even investigating the source of the problem, as commonly practices by the children book author
    J.K. Rowling or the podcaster Mike Duncan— such as siding automatically
    with the professional BS operator Mary Beard in an intellectual conflict
    with a man, simply because Mary Beard was a woman, without understanding
    the nature of the dispute, then spinning arguments to explain their
    support.

    Nabothizing
    Production of false accusation, just as Jezebel did to dispossess Naboth.

    In many legal systems, since Hammurabi’s code, calumnies and false
    accusations are punished as if the accuser committed the infractions
    himself. (Obviously, there is a need for symmetry: penalties for crimes
    are proportion to the crime, hence inflicting such penalty on an innocent person should be penalized under the same logic).

    In combination with bigoteering: a false accusation of bigotry,
    particularly if the accuser knows it is not the case, should cause a
    penalty to the bigoteer as if he/she were bigots themselves.

    Note that “false accuser” was the original meaning of the Greek word
    sycophant before drifting in the English language.

    Partializing
    Exploiting the unsavory attributes of one party in a conflict without
    revealing those of the other party . Example: “He is a dictator”, giving
    the illusion that the alternative is the Swedish parliament not some worse faction.

    The problem can take absurd proportions: in the Syrian War, it was used by interventionistas describing the “dictator” without mentioning that his opponents are Al-Qaeda head-cutters.

    You can detect partializing and dishonest thinking when the same people
    arguing for the removal of some dictator praise Saudi Barbaria forgetting
    to use the argument in such cases.

    Inconsistency within Monocultures
    I have shown a narrative to be fallacious 1) if it is logically
    incompatible with other narratives also held true by the same agents, 2)
    if it leads to the statistical clustering of causes that should be random,
    or, to the least, uncorrelated. This heuristic can help us identify monocultures, usually artificially propped up by some lobby.

    For lobbyists and their useful idiots, as we saw in partializing, will be inconsistent somewhere in their narratives: there is a cluster for the
    advocacy of both GMOs and Glyphosate, when there is no particular logical
    link between the two positions. Well, there is a link: Monsanto sells
    both; and GMOs are actually an excuse to sell high doses of glyphosate.

    Likewise, on finds some nonrandom clustering of people who decry civilian casualties in Aleppo but forget about it in Mosul.

    <https://medium.com/incerto/pedophrasty-bigoteering-and-other-modern- scams-c84bd70a29e8>

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  • From R Kym Horsell@21:1/5 to zinn on Mon Nov 7 07:13:56 2022
    XPost: alt.global-warming, talk.politics.guns

    In alt.global-warming zinn <zinn@reno.us> wrote:
    An argument involving children to prop up a rationalization and make the opponent look like a bully. People will more likely suspend scepticism in front of suffering children. Nobody then has the heart to question the authenticity or source of the reporting.
    ...

    Strangely, the only people that seem to be mentioning her on
    tpg and agw seem to be self-certifying incels.

    I think that goes by a different name.

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  • From R Kym Horsell@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 7 07:49:51 2022
    XPost: alt.global-warming, talk.politics.guns

    In alt.global-warming R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> wrote:
    ...

    From the last 10,000 some items in Alt.Global-Warming -- where you
    might expect "everyone" to be talking about someone they are supposed
    to be promoting -- we find there are only 8 mentions of G. THunberg
    and all by misoginists and apparent incels sniping from some other group.

    number of posts = 10468
    total mentions greta+thunberg = 9
    number of posts mentioning greta+thunberg = 7

    Posters/Dates:

    From: Greta's Hanky <tipppping@pppoint.org>
    Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2021 06:45:40 -0700

    From: Greta's Welfare Check <tipping@point.org>
    Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 11:55:47 -0700

    From: Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.entfernen.@gmail.com>
    Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 07:49:12 -0700

    From: AlleyCat <al@aohell.com>
    Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2022 20:33:36 -0500

    From: AlleyCat <al@aohell.com>
    Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2022 22:34:33 -0500

    From: AlleyCat <al@aohell.com>
    Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2022 08:00:37 -0500

    From: Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.entfernen.@gmail.com>
    Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2022 03:35:04 -0700


    I would suggest the FBI be informed of this kind of abberant behavior.
    In the past I know I have drawn their attention to some suspicious
    activity and they were suprisingly efficient and even sent an email
    saying they went to the guy's place, found tons of evidence, and
    were surprised they address he'd given to his ISP was his actual address.

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  • From Heist@21:1/5 to R Kym Horsell on Mon Nov 7 13:06:36 2022
    XPost: alt.global-warming, talk.politics.guns, alt.checkmate

    In article <tkadat$7sm$1@gioia.aioe.org>
    R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> wrote:

    In alt.global-warming R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> wrote:
    ...

    From the last 10,000 some items in Alt.Global-Warming -- where you
    might expect "everyone" to be talking about someone they are supposed
    to be promoting -- we find there are only 8 mentions of G. THunberg
    and all by misoginists and apparent incels sniping from some other group.

    number of posts = 10468
    total mentions greta+thunberg = 9
    number of posts mentioning greta+thunberg = 7

    Posters/Dates:

    From: Greta's Hanky <tipppping@pppoint.org>
    Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2021 06:45:40 -0700

    From: Greta's Welfare Check <tipping@point.org>
    Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 11:55:47 -0700

    From: Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.entfernen.@gmail.com>
    Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 07:49:12 -0700

    From: AlleyCat <al@aohell.com>
    Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2022 20:33:36 -0500

    From: AlleyCat <al@aohell.com>
    Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2022 22:34:33 -0500

    From: AlleyCat <al@aohell.com>
    Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2022 08:00:37 -0500

    From: Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.entfernen.@gmail.com>
    Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2022 03:35:04 -0700


    I would suggest the FBI be informed of this kind of abberant behavior.
    In the past I know I have drawn their attention to some suspicious
    activity and they were suprisingly efficient and even sent an email
    saying they went to the guy's place, found tons of evidence, and
    were surprised they address he'd given to his ISP was his actual address.

    Out of 63,000+, greta+thunberg = 863

    From: Catoni <catoni54@gmail.com>
    Injection-Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2019 21:27:24 +0000

    From: JTEM is Remarkably Flexible <jtem01@gmail.com>
    Injection-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 02:05:10 +0000

    From: Kym Horsell <kymhorsell@gmail.com>
    Injection-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 21:42:44 +0000

    From: George <gblack@hnpl.net>
    NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2019 15:15:19 -0500

    From: Bret Cahill <bretcahill@aol.com>
    Injection-Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2019 04:25:16 +0000

    Skin many

    From: Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid>
    Injection-Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2022 07:00:17 -0000 (UTC)

    From: JTEM is Remarkably Flexible <jtem01@gmail.com>
    Injection-Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2022 06:05:24 +0000

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  • From R Kym Horsell@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 7 12:37:22 2022
    XPost: alt.global-warming, talk.politics.guns

    In alt.global-warming nym management software:
    In article <tkadat$7sm$1@gioia.aioe.org>
    R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> wrote:
    In alt.global-warming R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> wrote:
    ...
    From the last 10,000 some items in Alt.Global-Warming -- where you
    might expect "everyone" to be talking about someone they are supposed
    to be promoting -- we find there are only 8 mentions of G. THunberg
    and all by misoginists and apparent incels sniping from some other group.
    number of posts = 10468
    total mentions greta+thunberg = 9
    number of posts mentioning greta+thunberg = 7
    Posters/Dates:
    From: Greta's Hanky <tipppping@pppoint.org>
    Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2021 06:45:40 -0700
    From: Greta's Welfare Check <tipping@point.org>
    Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 11:55:47 -0700
    From: Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.entfernen.@gmail.com>
    Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 07:49:12 -0700
    From: AlleyCat <al@aohell.com>
    Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2022 20:33:36 -0500
    From: AlleyCat <al@aohell.com>
    Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2022 22:34:33 -0500
    From: AlleyCat <al@aohell.com>
    Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2022 08:00:37 -0500
    From: Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.entfernen.@gmail.com>
    Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2022 03:35:04 -0700
    I would suggest the FBI be informed of this kind of abberant behavior.
    In the past I know I have drawn their attention to some suspicious
    activity and they were suprisingly efficient and even sent an email
    saying they went to the guy's place, found tons of evidence, and
    were surprised they address he'd given to his ISP was his actual address.
    Out of 63,000+, greta+thunberg = 863
    ...

    I'm sure you took account of quoted mentions versus mentions.

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