• Antarctica very very cold: Surprise -- no surprise.

    From MrPostingRobot@kymhorsell.com@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 2 23:46:02 2021
    XPost: alt.global-warming

    EXECUTIVE SUMMARY:
    - Newspapers are (again) full of stories about "anomalous" happenings
    in Antarctica. Some place was record cold.
    - The data from the 1950 shows annual min temps in Antarctica are
    declining rapidly.
    - But at the same time annual average min temps are increasing rapidly.
    - Journalists and hillbillies yet again have been tricked by how
    averages work.
    - Not only is the Antarctic a continent at extreme latitudes, it is a
    continent of high elevations. Extremes are amplified in all kinds of
    ways and we should all be not surprised that outliers can be more
    outlier-y as time goes by.
    But even so average temps go right on rising in line with the rest
    of the world, modulo polar amplification -- the tendency for polar
    regions to warm about 2x faster than the global average
    because AGW don't quit in winter or nighttime like the sun does.


    Have been noticing a lot of these type of things:

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    It seems hillbillies are not the only ones that don't understand what Antarctica is. Perhaps the mental model journalists are using is
    "roughly like the US48". But no, it isn't.

    Not only is the Antarctic at an extreme latitude, it is also a huge
    continent. The further from the ocean, the more extreme the temperatures.

    If that weren't enough, most of the continent is at extreme altitudes
    -- 3000m to 4000m.
    For each 1 km in elev we expect the ambient temperature to drop 5-10C.
    This is why airlines need to have great a/c or passengers would
    arrive as ice-blocks.
    High altitudes are also a recipe for extreme swings in temperature.

    So it is no surprise some stations in the Antarctic see big
    negative numbers for their temperatures. And no big surprise year to
    year extreme lows can become more and more extreme.
    This might be further amplified by a record that only goes back to
    the 1950s and not 1650s like some parts of the wider world.

    But extreme lows are just that -- extremes. Outliers. They are not
    "average" or "typical".

    The average temperature of the continent is increasing, and
    increasing faster than the world average.

    If we look at the GHCN met stations for lats 60-90S and just do a
    "no fiddlin widda nummers" hillbilly type average of the daily minimum temperatures (TMIN) year by year and find:


    Year Avg Antarctic TMIN deg C
    (58 locations from GHCN v3)
    1954 -16.4502
    1955 -13.6227
    1956 -22.3949
    1957 -23.5781
    1958 -22.8924
    1959 -21.7169
    1960 -21.9339
    1961 -20.664
    1962 -21.2948
    1963 -21.0083
    1964 -22.2238
    1965 -22.7139
    1966 -26.6514
    1967 -26.8548
    1968 -28.0013
    1969 -20.9729
    1970 -18.9807
    1971 -17.0016
    1972 -17.362
    1973 -17.6208
    1974 -17.3071
    1975 -18.8002
    1976 -17.7157
    1977 -16.9576
    1978 -17.4246
    1979 -19.475
    1980 -18.5425
    1981 -15.6921
    1982 -18.8992
    1983 -17.2787
    1984 -16.9378
    1985 -15.7835
    1986 -14.6476
    1987 -14.5996
    1988 -13.6112
    1989 -13.4817
    1990 -14.7149
    1991 -14.8549
    1992 -15.4195
    1993 -15.059
    1994 -11.8136
    1995 -15.0389
    1996 -11.1248
    1997 -12.738
    1998 -12.7646
    1999 -13.0097
    2000 -12.8669
    2001 -12.9656
    2002 -12.4601
    2003 -11.4131
    2004 -12.7545
    2005 -13.7894
    2006 -12.9591
    2007 -14.5071
    2008 -14.161
    2009 -14.655
    2010 -14.4311
    2011 -14.4339
    2012 -13.4915
    2013 -12.7282
    2014 -13.2168
    2015 -14.0971
    2016 -13.6024
    2017 -12.1884


    No surprise there is a warming trend. This hillbilly avg has a warming
    trend of 15 degrees per century. Which is what happens when you use
    hillbilly methods. Most scientists would say the warming rate is around
    1.8C per century, maybe increasing a bit as time goes by.
    (See Berkeley Earth for all the gory details).

    But at the same time we can look at the loest of all temps for each year
    and SURPRISE:

    year min TMIN
    1954 -30
    1955 -30
    1956 -61.1
    1957 -74.4
    1958 -74.4
    1959 -78.9
    1960 -77.2
    1961 -74.4
    1962 -75.6
    1963 -78.9
    1964 -72.8
    1965 -80.6
    1966 -85
    1967 -84.4
    1968 -86.1
    1969 -77.8
    1970 -75.6
    1971 -75.6
    1972 -73.3
    1973 -73.9
    1974 -77.2
    1975 -75
    1976 -76.1
    1977 -75
    1978 -77.8
    1979 -76.1
    1980 -74.4
    1981 -76.7
    1982 -82.8
    1983 -75.6
    1984 -75.6
    1985 -75
    1986 -79.4
    1987 -72.8
    1988 -72.8
    1989 -72.8
    1990 -82.6
    1991 -82.9
    1992 -74.5
    1993 -84.2
    1994 -64.4
    1995 -80.6
    1996 -73
    1997 -84.6
    1998 -85.6
    1999 -81.9
    2000 -81.7
    2001 -78.1
    2002 -80.3
    2003 -54.4
    2004 -82.1
    2005 -85.4
    2006 -79.3
    2007 -81.3
    2008 -84.1
    2009 -80.1
    2010 -81.8
    2011 -78.7
    2012 -84.2
    2013 -79.1
    2014 -80.8
    2015 -81.1
    2016 -81.6
    2017 -78.2

    There's a strong cooling of about 11 deg per cent.

    The average daily min is warming at an horrific rate yet the lowest TMIN
    each year is decreasing at an horrific rate.

    No surprise, atall atall.

    It's a place where horrific things happen alla time.

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  • From Eric Stevens@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 3 15:52:37 2021
    XPost: alt.global-warming

    On Sat, 2 Oct 2021 23:46:02 +1000, MrPostingRobot@kymhorsell.com
    wrote:

    EXECUTIVE SUMMARY:
    - Newspapers are (again) full of stories about "anomalous" happenings
    in Antarctica. Some place was record cold.
    - The data from the 1950 shows annual min temps in Antarctica are
    declining rapidly.
    - But at the same time annual average min temps are increasing rapidly.
    - Journalists and hillbillies yet again have been tricked by how
    averages work.
    - Not only is the Antarctic a continent at extreme latitudes, it is a
    continent of high elevations. Extremes are amplified in all kinds of
    ways and we should all be not surprised that outliers can be more
    outlier-y as time goes by.
    But even so average temps go right on rising in line with the rest
    of the world, modulo polar amplification -- the tendency for polar
    regions to warm about 2x faster than the global average
    because AGW don't quit in winter or nighttime like the sun does.

    --- <vast tail snipped>---

    Its strange that we dont get this kind of response when record highs
    are claimed.
    --

    Regards,

    Eric Stevens

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