• Desperately seeking LED globes for chandeliers.

    From Peter Jason@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 29 13:20:52 2018
    For the chandeliers to sparkle each light has to
    have a small and bright point of light, such as
    halogens have.
    Can the LED luminaires do this?

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  • From Andrew Gabriel@21:1/5 to Peter Jason on Thu Nov 29 11:27:21 2018
    In article <84juvdp6jk1quktorhaus5dsllfihuldiv@4ax.com>,
    Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> writes:
    For the chandeliers to sparkle each light has to
    have a small and bright point of light, such as
    halogens have.
    Can the LED luminaires do this?

    I presume you are referring to a cut glass droplet style
    chandelier here where the light emerges through the droplets.

    One of the problems for LED lighting in many cases is the sources
    are tiny and painfully bright, requiring diffusers (which are
    lossy and drop efficiency). However, in this case, the small
    sources are an advantage, so look for lamps which don't have a
    diffuser. Styles which come to mind are the clear LED filament
    lamps, and the lamps with a single LED in the base, and a clear
    plastic light guide to emit the light in multiple directions.

    The general principle of such cut glass droplet chandeliers is
    that the droplets refract the light like prisms and you see the
    components of the white light in the form of individual spectral
    colours glisten from the droplets. The higher the refractive
    index (more expensive the glass), the more pronounced the effect
    of spectral splitting of the light (with the inference that
    diamond droplets would give the most pronounced affect of all,
    being the highest refractive index).

    It seems to me that LEDs could cheat here and use separate RGB
    (and more) coloured LEDs to generate the white light from slightly
    spaced apart sources, which would really enhance the appearence
    though cut glass droplets, but I haven't seen any lamp products
    designed to exploit this.

    --
    Andrew Gabriel
    [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

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  • From Peter Jason@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 30 11:25:54 2018
    On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 11:27:21 -0000 (UTC),
    andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk (Andrew Gabriel)
    wrote:

    In article <84juvdp6jk1quktorhaus5dsllfihuldiv@4ax.com>,
    Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> writes:
    For the chandeliers to sparkle each light has to
    have a small and bright point of light, such as
    halogens have.
    Can the LED luminaires do this?

    I presume you are referring to a cut glass droplet style
    chandelier here where the light emerges through the droplets.

    One of the problems for LED lighting in many cases is the sources
    are tiny and painfully bright, requiring diffusers (which are
    lossy and drop efficiency). However, in this case, the small
    sources are an advantage, so look for lamps which don't have a
    diffuser. Styles which come to mind are the clear LED filament
    lamps, and the lamps with a single LED in the base, and a clear
    plastic light guide to emit the light in multiple directions.

    The general principle of such cut glass droplet chandeliers is
    that the droplets refract the light like prisms and you see the
    components of the white light in the form of individual spectral
    colours glisten from the droplets. The higher the refractive
    index (more expensive the glass), the more pronounced the effect
    of spectral splitting of the light (with the inference that
    diamond droplets would give the most pronounced affect of all,
    being the highest refractive index).

    It seems to me that LEDs could cheat here and use separate RGB
    (and more) coloured LEDs to generate the white light from slightly
    spaced apart sources, which would really enhance the appearence
    though cut glass droplets, but I haven't seen any lamp products
    designed to exploit this.

    Thanks, I have halogens in all my chandeliers and
    they work OK. But a 20-globe chandelier uses a
    lot of power and warms up the room, so I look
    forward to the LED globes in the future. In the
    meantime I'll try the best available LEDs. These
    are appearing in different configurations all the
    time.

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  • From Peter Jason@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 4 12:29:10 2018
    On Thu, 29 Nov 2018 11:27:21 -0000 (UTC),
    andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk (Andrew Gabriel)
    wrote:

    In article <84juvdp6jk1quktorhaus5dsllfihuldiv@4ax.com>,
    Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> writes:
    For the chandeliers to sparkle each light has to
    have a small and bright point of light, such as
    halogens have.
    Can the LED luminaires do this?

    I presume you are referring to a cut glass droplet style
    chandelier here where the light emerges through the droplets.

    One of the problems for LED lighting in many cases is the sources
    are tiny and painfully bright, requiring diffusers (which are
    lossy and drop efficiency). However, in this case, the small
    sources are an advantage, so look for lamps which don't have a
    diffuser. Styles which come to mind are the clear LED filament
    lamps, and the lamps with a single LED in the base, and a clear
    plastic light guide to emit the light in multiple directions.

    The general principle of such cut glass droplet chandeliers is
    that the droplets refract the light like prisms and you see the
    components of the white light in the form of individual spectral
    colours glisten from the droplets. The higher the refractive
    index (more expensive the glass), the more pronounced the effect
    of spectral splitting of the light (with the inference that
    diamond droplets would give the most pronounced affect of all,
    being the highest refractive index).

    It seems to me that LEDs could cheat here and use separate RGB
    (and more) coloured LEDs to generate the white light from slightly
    spaced apart sources, which would really enhance the appearence
    though cut glass droplets, but I haven't seen any lamp products
    designed to exploit this.

    I have put in one of these https://www.lampsandlights.com/images/big_bulb-candle-led-filament-bc-lit-ven.jpg
    and the chandelier glitters as usual.
    This might be the way to go.

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  • From jeffj@panix.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 14 23:07:47 2018
    For the chandeliers to sparkle each light has to
    have a small and bright point of light ...
    Can the LED luminaires do this?

    I have LED retrofits
    where the LED emitter is in the base
    and a prism diffuses it.
    A clear glass/cover makes it sparkle just like a halogen.
    Edison, medium or chandelier socket.

    My google-fu is lacking: I cannot find the Ikea model.
    I've seen Sylvania sets in the ShopRite supermarket.

    The led 'fake filament' lamp is very popular,
    taking more and more shelf space at LoewsDepot
    so that might squeeze out other styles :-/

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  • From Artis Sideley@21:1/5 to Peter Jason on Fri Jun 7 00:55:35 2019
    On Thursday, 29 November 2018 03:20:55 UTC+1, Peter Jason wrote:
    For the chandeliers to sparkle each light has to
    have a small and bright point of light, such as
    halogens have.
    Can the LED luminaires do this?

    Well, in France, led bulbs with GU9 sockets are small enough, and they are sold widely. However, I doubt their durability because if the small size of the integrated voltage transformer circuit board.

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  • From jeffj@panix.com@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 2 19:37:57 2019
    For the chandeliers to sparkle
    each light has to have a small and bright point of light,
    such as halogens have.
    Can the LED luminaires do this?

    It depends on the LED device.

    Here in the USA, "LED filament" lamps are dominating the shelf-space
    of the "big box" stores (Lowe's, Home Depot, Walmart).
    Walmart has some on clearance for as low as 75 cents (USD).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LED_filament

    What you want is the type with a single LED emitter
    (or small cluster) under a prism,
    with CLEAR GLASS so it is not diffused:

    https://www.1000bulbs.com/category/led-chandelier-bulbs-40w-equal/

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