• How low should I go ?

    From Snag@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 2 14:41:49 2021
    Man , that question is just fraught with possibilities ! To clear up
    any possibly salacious answers , I'm talking about the bottle pressure
    og my argon shield gas for the TIG welder . I'm down to around 250 psi
    on the gauge , and I thought it would be enough to weld up a bracket for
    the rooster weather vane I made for my wife - not really as a gift , but
    just because I knew she'd like to have one on the house . Anyway , it
    turned out that my welds were very porous , almost like the slag from a
    OA cutting torch . I finished the part I was working on with the MIG so
    it was really no big deal , I just saw a chance to practice with the TIG .
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  • From Phil Kangas@21:1/5 to Snag on Sat Jan 2 19:09:11 2021
    "Snag" <> wrote in message
    Man , that question is just fraught with possibilities !
    To clear up any possibly salacious answers , I'm talking
    about the bottle pressure og my argon shield gas for the
    TIG welder . I'm down to around 250 psi on the gauge , and
    I thought it would be enough to weld up a bracket for the
    rooster weather vane I made for my wife - not really as a
    gift , but just because I knew she'd like to have one on
    the house . Anyway , it turned out that my welds were very
    porous , almost like the slag from a OA cutting torch . I
    finished the part I was working on with the MIG so it was
    really no big deal , I just saw a chance to practice with
    the TIG .
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    Are you using a flowmeter with a vertical tube and a steel
    ball inside? That's the best one to use. phil k.

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  • From David Billington@21:1/5 to Snag on Sun Jan 3 00:25:42 2021
    On 02/01/2021 20:41, Snag wrote:
      Man , that question is just fraught with possibilities ! To clear up
    any possibly salacious answers , I'm talking about the bottle pressure
    og my argon shield gas for the TIG welder . I'm down to around 250 psi
    on the gauge , and I thought it would be enough to weld up a bracket
    for the rooster weather vane I made for my wife - not really as a gift
    , but just because I knew she'd like to have one on the house . Anyway
    , it turned out that my welds were very porous , almost like the slag
    from a OA cutting torch . I finished the part I was working on with
    the MIG so it was really no big deal , I just saw a chance to practice
    with the TIG .

    Single stage regulators as commonly used for shielding gas have the
    output pressure rise as the input pressure drops so it might be that you
    have excessive flow causing turbulence and drawing in air due to the low
    input pressure, do you have a flow meter on it. No reason you shouldn't
    get correct shielding with 250psi in providing the regulator is adjusted
    to suit.

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Phil Kangas on Sat Jan 2 19:51:46 2021
    On 1/2/2021 6:09 PM, Phil Kangas wrote:

    "Snag" <> wrote in message
      Man , that question is just fraught with possibilities ! To clear up
    any possibly salacious answers , I'm talking about the bottle pressure
    og my argon shield gas for the TIG welder . I'm down to around 250 psi
    on the gauge , and I thought it would be enough to weld up a bracket
    for the rooster weather vane I made for my wife - not really as a gift
    , but just because I knew she'd like to have one on the house . Anyway
    , it turned out that my welds were very porous , almost like the slag
    from a OA cutting torch . I finished the part I was working on with
    the MIG so it was really no big deal , I just saw a chance to practice
    with the TIG .
    --
    Snag
    Illegitimi non
    carborundum

    Are you using a flowmeter with a vertical tube and a steel
    ball inside? That's the best one to use.  phil k.

    Yes , but it was acting erratically today . That's part of why i
    think it's time for a fresh bottle . This one only lasted me 5 years ...
    I don't weld much .
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    Snag
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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to David Billington on Sat Jan 2 20:40:29 2021
    On 1/2/2021 6:25 PM, David Billington wrote:
    On 02/01/2021 20:41, Snag wrote:
      Man , that question is just fraught with possibilities ! To clear up
    any possibly salacious answers , I'm talking about the bottle pressure
    og my argon shield gas for the TIG welder . I'm down to around 250 psi
    on the gauge , and I thought it would be enough to weld up a bracket
    for the rooster weather vane I made for my wife - not really as a gift
    , but just because I knew she'd like to have one on the house . Anyway
    , it turned out that my welds were very porous , almost like the slag
    from a OA cutting torch . I finished the part I was working on with
    the MIG so it was really no big deal , I just saw a chance to practice
    with the TIG .

    Single stage regulators as commonly used for shielding gas have the
    output pressure rise as the input pressure drops so it might be that you
    have excessive flow causing turbulence and drawing in air due to the low input pressure, do you have a flow meter on it. No reason you shouldn't
    get correct shielding with 250psi in providing the regulator is adjusted
    to suit.


    I do have a flow meter on it , and it was acting a bit weird today
    ... but not excessive flow . I can't complain, I think I last filled
    that bottle like 5 years ago .
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  • From Phil Kangas@21:1/5 to Snag on Sat Jan 2 22:19:17 2021
    "Snag" <> wrote in message
    On 1/2/2021 6:09 PM, Phil Kangas wrote:

    "Snag" <> wrote in message
    Man , that question is just fraught with possibilities !
    To clear up any possibly salacious answers , I'm talking
    about the bottle pressure og my argon shield gas for the
    TIG welder . I'm down to around 250 psi on the gauge ,
    and I thought it would be enough to weld up a bracket
    for the rooster weather vane I made for my wife - not
    really as a gift , but just because I knew she'd like to
    have one on the house . Anyway , it turned out that my
    welds were very porous , almost like the slag from a OA
    cutting torch . I finished the part I was working on
    with the MIG so it was really no big deal , I just saw a
    chance to practice with the TIG .
    --
    Snag
    Illegitimi non
    carborundum

    Are you using a flowmeter with a vertical tube and a
    steel
    ball inside? That's the best one to use. phil k.

    Yes , but it was acting erratically today . That's part
    of why i think it's time for a fresh bottle . This one
    only lasted me 5 years ... I don't weld much .
    --
    Snag
    Illegitimi non
    carborundum

    Ok. The next simple test would be to hold a small plastic
    bag
    over the torch and tap the petal. If you have gas flow the
    bag fills up. If not, then there may be a torch line
    problem.
    Plugged? Pinched? Leaking?

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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Phil Kangas on Sun Jan 3 07:18:24 2021
    On 1/2/2021 5:09 PM, Phil Kangas wrote:

    "Snag" <> wrote in message
      Man , that question is just fraught with possibilities ! To clear up
    any possibly salacious answers , I'm talking about the bottle pressure
    og my argon shield gas for the TIG welder . I'm down to around 250 psi
    on the gauge , and I thought it would be enough to weld up a bracket
    for the rooster weather vane I made for my wife - not really as a gift
    , but just because I knew she'd like to have one on the house . Anyway
    , it turned out that my welds were very porous , almost like the slag
    from a OA cutting torch . I finished the part I was working on with
    the MIG so it was really no big deal , I just saw a chance to practice
    with the TIG .
    --
    Snag
    Illegitimi non
    carborundum

    Are you using a flowmeter with a vertical tube and a steel
    ball inside? That's the best one to use.  phil k.


    I have to laugh. The rather expensive (for me) Miller 212 dual stinger
    came with a pair of Smith dual round gage type "flow meters," and the relatively cheap (by comaprison) AHP TIG welder came with the ball type
    flow meter.


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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to David Billington on Sun Jan 3 07:20:56 2021
    On 1/2/2021 5:25 PM, David Billington wrote:
    On 02/01/2021 20:41, Snag wrote:
      Man , that question is just fraught with possibilities ! To clear up
    any possibly salacious answers , I'm talking about the bottle pressure
    og my argon shield gas for the TIG welder . I'm down to around 250 psi
    on the gauge , and I thought it would be enough to weld up a bracket
    for the rooster weather vane I made for my wife - not really as a gift
    , but just because I knew she'd like to have one on the house . Anyway
    , it turned out that my welds were very porous , almost like the slag
    from a OA cutting torch . I finished the part I was working on with
    the MIG so it was really no big deal , I just saw a chance to practice
    with the TIG .

    Single stage regulators as commonly used for shielding gas have the
    output pressure rise as the input pressure drops so it might be that you
    have excessive flow causing turbulence and drawing in air due to the low input pressure, do you have a flow meter on it. No reason you shouldn't
    get correct shielding with 250psi in providing the regulator is adjusted
    to suit.



    I have seen that affect with OA when cutting right down to the end of
    the bottle.



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  • From David Billington@21:1/5 to Bob La Londe on Sun Jan 3 15:29:51 2021
    On 03/01/2021 14:20, Bob La Londe wrote:
    On 1/2/2021 5:25 PM, David Billington wrote:
    On 02/01/2021 20:41, Snag wrote:
      Man , that question is just fraught with possibilities ! To clear
    up any possibly salacious answers , I'm talking about the bottle
    pressure og my argon shield gas for the TIG welder . I'm down to
    around 250 psi on the gauge , and I thought it would be enough to
    weld up a bracket for the rooster weather vane I made for my wife -
    not really as a gift , but just because I knew she'd like to have
    one on the house . Anyway , it turned out that my welds were very
    porous , almost like the slag from a OA cutting torch . I finished
    the part I was working on with the MIG so it was really no big deal
    , I just saw a chance to practice with the TIG .

    Single stage regulators as commonly used for shielding gas have the
    output pressure rise as the input pressure drops so it might be that
    you have excessive flow causing turbulence and drawing in air due to
    the low input pressure, do you have a flow meter on it. No reason you
    shouldn't get correct shielding with 250psi in providing the
    regulator is adjusted to suit.



    I have seen that affect with OA when cutting right down to the end of
    the bottle.



    I see it regularly as I vent the pressure in the regulator after closing
    the bottle valve on my MIG and TIG gas bottles, the content needle drops
    and the outlet pressure rises until there is no pressure left then the
    outlet pressure drops to zero.

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  • From etpm@whidbey.com@21:1/5 to Snag on Mon Jan 4 09:27:43 2021
    On Sat, 2 Jan 2021 14:41:49 -0600, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    Man , that question is just fraught with possibilities ! To clear up
    any possibly salacious answers , I'm talking about the bottle pressure
    og my argon shield gas for the TIG welder . I'm down to around 250 psi
    on the gauge , and I thought it would be enough to weld up a bracket for
    the rooster weather vane I made for my wife - not really as a gift , but
    just because I knew she'd like to have one on the house . Anyway , it
    turned out that my welds were very porous , almost like the slag from a
    OA cutting torch . I finished the part I was working on with the MIG so
    it was really no big deal , I just saw a chance to practice with the TIG .
    I use high quality ball type flow meters on my argon and C25
    cylinders. I can run a cylinder down to 30 psi before the gas flow
    gets wonky. I usually don't let the cylinder pressure drop lower than
    50 psi though.
    Eric

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to etpm@whidbey.com on Mon Jan 4 20:26:06 2021
    On 1/4/2021 11:27 AM, etpm@whidbey.com wrote:
    On Sat, 2 Jan 2021 14:41:49 -0600, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    Man , that question is just fraught with possibilities ! To clear up
    any possibly salacious answers , I'm talking about the bottle pressure
    og my argon shield gas for the TIG welder . I'm down to around 250 psi
    on the gauge , and I thought it would be enough to weld up a bracket for
    the rooster weather vane I made for my wife - not really as a gift , but
    just because I knew she'd like to have one on the house . Anyway , it
    turned out that my welds were very porous , almost like the slag from a
    OA cutting torch . I finished the part I was working on with the MIG so
    it was really no big deal , I just saw a chance to practice with the TIG .


    I use high quality ball type flow meters on my argon and C25
    cylinders. I can run a cylinder down to 30 psi before the gas flow
    gets wonky. I usually don't let the cylinder pressure drop lower than
    50 psi though.
    Eric



    After discovering that the steel I was welding was the problem , I
    decided to wait until mine gets that low .
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  • From etpm@whidbey.com@21:1/5 to Snag on Tue Jan 5 09:33:50 2021
    On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 20:26:06 -0600, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    On 1/4/2021 11:27 AM, etpm@whidbey.com wrote:
    On Sat, 2 Jan 2021 14:41:49 -0600, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    Man , that question is just fraught with possibilities ! To clear up
    any possibly salacious answers , I'm talking about the bottle pressure
    og my argon shield gas for the TIG welder . I'm down to around 250 psi
    on the gauge , and I thought it would be enough to weld up a bracket for >>> the rooster weather vane I made for my wife - not really as a gift , but >>> just because I knew she'd like to have one on the house . Anyway , it
    turned out that my welds were very porous , almost like the slag from a
    OA cutting torch . I finished the part I was working on with the MIG so
    it was really no big deal , I just saw a chance to practice with the TIG .


    I use high quality ball type flow meters on my argon and C25
    cylinders. I can run a cylinder down to 30 psi before the gas flow
    gets wonky. I usually don't let the cylinder pressure drop lower than
    50 psi though.
    Eric



    After discovering that the steel I was welding was the problem , I
    decided to wait until mine gets that low .
    Yeah, no sense in wasting gas you paid for.
    Eric

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