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Many governments in the Western world have committed to "net zero"
emissions of carbon in the near future. The US and UK both say they will >deliver by 2050. It's widely believed that wind and solar power can
achieve this. This belief has led the US and British governments, among >others, to promote and heavily subsidise wind and solar.

Even the oil companiews say that coal and the corpses of obese rightwingers
are the only true means to energy sustainability. Both burn very well and since the pandemic, there is plentiful supply at hand.

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"Solar fraud" wrote in message news:u3i0pv$j7o$1@toxic.dizum.net...

Many governments in the Western world have committed to “net zero” emissions of carbon in the near future. The US and UK both say they will deliver by 2050. It's widely believed that wind and solar power can
achieve this. This belief has led the US and British governments, among
others, to promote and heavily subsidise wind and solar.

These plans have a single, fatal flaw: they are reliant on the pipe-dream
that there is some affordable way to store surplus electricity at scale. -----------------------

Large scale energy storage doesn't motivate conservation. People would learn
to conserve only if they had individual household storage such as a
Powerwall and had to monitor and ration its use during grid outages.

https://www.tesla.com/support/energy/powerwall/mobile-app/powerwall-modes

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Jim Wilkins wrote:

These plans have a single, fatal flaw: they are reliant on the
pipe-dream
that there is some affordable way to store surplus electricity at
scale.

Gosh darn capitalism. It keeps identifying market opportunities
and then develop technology to sell on the market. PGE can
increase profits by selling electricity when generators are offline.

https://investor.pgecorp.com/news-events/press-releases/press-release-details/2020/PGE-Poised-to-Expand-Battery-Energy-Storage-Capacity-by-More-Than-420-Megawatts/default.aspx

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Siri Cruise wrote:

Jim Wilkins wrote:

These plans have a single, fatal flaw: they are reliant on the
pipe-dream
that there is some affordable way to store surplus electricity at
scale.

Gosh darn capitalism. It keeps identifying market opportunities
and then develop technology to sell on the market. PGE can
increase profits by selling electricity when generators are offline.

https://investor.pgecorp.com/news-events/press-releases/press-release-details/2020/PGE-Poised-to-Expand-Battery-Energy-Storage-Capacity-by-More-Than-420-Megawatts/default.aspx

Interesting that that blurb gives only power levels of various storage
units, but not their capacity. So how many seconds - days - years can
PGE storage cover when the generators are offline???

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"Ian gay" wrote in message news:u3rs0k$2ouq5$1@dont-email.me...

https://investor.pgecorp.com/news-events/press-releases/press-release-details/2020/PGE-Poised-to-Expand-Battery-Energy-Storage-Capacity-by-More-Than-420-Megawatts/default.aspx

Interesting that that blurb gives only power levels of various storage
units, but not their capacity. So how many seconds - days - years can
PGE storage cover when the generators are offline???

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"The five projects feature lithium-ion battery energy storage systems
(BESS), each with a four-hour discharge duration."

One could assume that means 50MW etc for 4 hours, or 200MWh, unless the copy writer misunderstood power vs energy.

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"Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote in message news:u3qidk$2kdg5$1@dont-email.me...

"Solar fraud" wrote in message news:u3i0pv$j7o$1@toxic.dizum.net...

Many governments in the Western world have committed to “net zero” emissions of carbon in the near future. The US and UK both say they will deliver by 2050. It's widely believed that wind and solar power can
achieve this. This belief has led the US and British governments, among others, to promote and heavily subsidise wind and solar.

Which simply exports their pollution to the East... If countries were
ACTUALLY after net zero then they would need to figure in ALL carbon
emissions from mineral extraction, through transportation, fabrication, installation, operation, disposal, destruction, reclamation, reprocessing
and finally disposal of what remains.
Then consider while at the time they are trying to transition over.. they
are also working to MASSIVELY increase their demand for electricity.

The bitch is I had a net zero heating system.. and the local government made
me remove it.. something about burning wood was bad for the environment...
100% use of waste and discarded wood.

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"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message news:u3vu4u$11ngg$1@dont-email.me...

If you planned to cripple the West there's hardly a better way than >convincing us to discard all the practical and reliable sources of energy. >Notice in particular that hydro power dams, transmission lines and
windmills are also under attack.

https://www.acsh.org/news/2021/02/12/environmentalists-want-renewable-energy-not-power-lines-15341
"Activists are suing to stop the construction of a new 101-mile power line
in Wisconsin and Iowa because it "will have 'significant negative impacts'
on the environment, wildlife, property values, agriculture, outdoor
recreation and tourism." (Really, tourism?) In New England, the Sierra Club
is opposed to the construction of a 145-mile power line connecting the U.S.
to Canadian hydroelectric power."
. https://www.seattletimes.com/business/new-rebellion-against-wind-energy-stalls-or-stops-projects/

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/15/solar-panels-insanity-britain/

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On 6/17/2023 4:12 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/15/solar-panels-insanity-britain/

Sounds like they are doing a great job and just need a some more solar
panels.

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On 6/17/2023 5:09 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:

"Bob F"  wrote in message news:u6lfth$1d7bi$1@dont-email.me...

On 6/17/2023 4:12 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/15/solar-panels-insanity-britain/

Sounds like they are doing a great job and just need a some more solar panels.

----------------------------

I've developed lunar panels and am soliciting investments to begin manufacture.

Great. That will take care of half of the nighttime power problems.

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"Bob F" wrote in message news:u6lfth$1d7bi$1@dont-email.me...

On 6/17/2023 4:12 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/15/solar-panels-insanity-britain/

Sounds like they are doing a great job and just need a some more solar
panels.

----------------------------

I've developed lunar panels and am soliciting investments to begin
manufacture.

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On Sat, 17 Jun 2023 19:12:33 -0400, "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/15/solar-panels-insanity-britain/

A problem with solar in a country noted for rainy and overcast weather? Who'd o' thunk
it?

Swill
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On Sat, 17 Jun 2023 16:33:50 -0700, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:

On 6/17/2023 4:12 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/15/solar-panels-insanity-britain/

Sounds like they are doing a great job and just need a some more solar >panels.

Indeed. If they only had to fire up one coal plant for the first time since 2020, they
seem to be making excellent progress. This story is, if anything, a testament to the need
to used mixed energy sources and NOT disassemble any older technologies like coal and
*gasp* NUCLEAR.

Swill
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"Bob F" wrote in message news:u6li9r$1dgnh$1@dont-email.me...

On 6/17/2023 5:09 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:

I've developed lunar panels and am soliciting investments to begin manufacture.

Great. That will take care of half of the nighttime power problems.

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We can greatly reduce the need for electric power at night by wrapping our refrigerators and water heaters in a thick foam blanket and shutting them
off before going to bed.

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