• Re: No electric vehicles on the market today qualify for the new EV tax

    From Climate Fairy Tales@21:1/5 to forging asshole on Sat Aug 13 02:12:17 2022
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    In article <t1i7sr$3258u$110@news.freedyn.de>
    forging asshole <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    Democrats pass another pork laden lie on the stupid American people.


    Congress is poised to approve newly expanded tax credits for
    electric vehicles, but the rules are written in such a way as to
    effectively disqualify every EV that’s currently on the market
    today.

    That’s because most EVs run on lithium-ion batteries that are
    mostly made in China. The nation has a lock on some 76 percent
    of the battery market today (the US only represents 8 percent).
    And to get a deal passed in a deadlocked Senate, Democrats
    agreed to provisions that would require eligible vehicles to use
    batteries that are made in North America.

    The Inflation Reduction Act of 2022, which passed the Senate
    this weekend in a party-line vote, would require batteries to
    have at least 40 percent of materials sourced from North America
    or a US trading partner by 2024 in order to be eligible for a
    $7,500 tax break. By 2029, battery components would have to be
    100 percent made in North America.

    Batteries that contain minerals that “were extracted, processed,
    or recycled by a foreign entity of concern,” which is defined as
    a state sponsoring terrorism or countries blocked by the
    Treasury Department’s Office of Foreign Assets Control, would be
    ineligible for the credit. China is listed as a “foreign entity
    of concern” by the federal government.

    Democrats, including West Virginia Senator Joe Manchin, who
    negotiated the deal in secret with Senate Majority Leader Chuck
    Schumer, are running on a tough-on-China message this year. But
    the auto industry says that the new requirements would basically
    disqualify every EV on the market today.

    According to the Alliance for Automotive Innovation, the auto
    industry’s main lobbying group, there are currently 72 EV models
    available for purchase in the United States, including battery,
    plug-in hybrid, and fuel cell electric vehicles. Of those
    models, 70 percent are ineligible for the tax credit when the
    bill passes. And by 2029, when the additional sourcing
    requirements go into effect, none would qualify for the full
    credit.

    “The $7500 credit might exist on paper, but no vehicles will
    qualify for this purchase incentive over the next few years,”
    John Bozzella, president and CEO of the alliance, said in a blog
    post. “That’s going to be a major setback to our collective
    target of 40-50 percent electric vehicle sales by 2030.”

    Bozzella said the auto industry agrees that the domestic supply
    chain needs serious investment — but not at the expense of
    customer incentives. EVs are typically more expensive than
    regular gas-powered vehicles, and experts believe that tax
    credits are needed to bolster sales until battery costs are low
    enough to trigger parity with internal combustion engine
    vehicles.

    Automakers could ask for waivers from the requirements, given
    the precedent that allowed many manufacturers to avoid “Buy
    America” rules that were enacted as part of last year’s
    bipartisan infrastructure law, according to Politico. For
    example, the law requires that new road and bridge projects use
    domestically produced steel, but most states are able to waive
    those requirements in favor of procuring cheaper steel from
    overseas.

    The Zero Emission Transportation Association, which represents
    EV makers like Tesla and Rivian, isn’t seeking waivers — yet.
    The lobbying group says that compliance deadlines could be
    extended by a year or more in order to allow the industry more
    time.

    It won’t be a completely impossible task. Tesla uses local
    suppliers for the majority of components in its electric
    vehicles, with 65 percent of the parts used to make the Tesla
    Model 3 (Long Range, Standard Range, and Performance) sourced
    from the US and Canada. The EV maker has four models that are at
    the top of the annual automotive index measuring the amount of
    US-manufactured content in vehicles.

    But it will still take time before the US can begin to challenge
    China’s dominance in the battery market. Ford and South Korean
    battery manufacturer SK Innovation are spending $11.4 billion on
    several new factories in Tennessee and Kentucky, while General
    Motors is planning four new battery factories in the US with
    partner LG Chem. Toyota said it would construct a $1.29 billion
    facility in North Carolina. And Stellantis, parent company of
    Dodge, Jeep, and Chrysler, selected Indiana as the site for its
    first battery factory.

    In Europe, Volkswagen is aiming to have six battery cell
    production plants operating by 2030. And Tesla just finished its
    battery factory in Berlin, which would produce 250GWh — roughly
    equivalent to the current world battery cell production capacity.

    Globally, battery production is expected to grow from 95.3GWh in
    2020 to 410.5GWh in 2024, according to GlobalData, a data and
    analytics company.

    Republicans, who uniformly oppose the Inflation Reduction Act,
    tried to make the supply chain requirements even stricter.
    According to Politico, Senator Marco Rubio (R-FL) introduced an
    amendment that would require 100 percent of battery materials to
    be sourced in North America immediately, rather than allow a
    phase-in period. The amendment, though, did not pass the Senate.

    https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/8/23296678/ev-tax-credit-qualify- battery-supply-chain-china

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Climate Fairy Tales on Sat Aug 13 02:25:58 2022
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    Climate Fairy Tales <woetheclimate@latimes.com> wrote in news:ad4c67578594afd3bb1911b771701d9e@dizum.com:



    Batteries that contain minerals that “were extracted, processed,
    or recycled by a foreign entity of concern,”


    Where do you think the minerals
    in your cell phone battery came from?

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Climate Fairy Tales on Mon Aug 15 07:29:31 2022
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    "Climate Fairy Tales" <woetheclimate@latimes.com> wrote in message news:ad4c67578594afd3bb1911b771701d9e@dizum.com...
    In article <t1i7sr$3258u$110@news.freedyn.de>
    forging asshole <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    Democrats pass another pork laden lie on the stupid American people.


    Congress is poised to approve newly expanded tax credits for
    electric vehicles, but the rules are written in such a way as to
    effectively disqualify every EV that's currently on the market
    today.

    Good.. no car should qualify for tax credits.. indeed NOTHING should qualify for tax credits.

    It is not, and should not be the business of government to manage,
    influence, bias or otherwise tamper with the purchasing decisions of people engaged in a free market.

    They are literally using the power of taxation to pick who should win and
    lose in the market place.

    That is NOT a legitimate function of the government.

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Scout on Mon Aug 15 13:02:07 2022
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    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in news:tddbj8$3k7qq$6@dont-email.me:



    "Climate Fairy Tales" <woetheclimate@latimes.com> wrote in message news:ad4c67578594afd3bb1911b771701d9e@dizum.com...
    In article <t1i7sr$3258u$110@news.freedyn.de>
    forging asshole <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    Democrats pass another pork laden lie on the stupid American people.


    Congress is poised to approve newly expanded tax credits for
    electric vehicles, but the rules are written in such a way as to
    effectively disqualify every EV that's currently on the market
    today.

    Good.. no car should qualify for tax credits.. indeed NOTHING should
    qualify for tax credits.

    It is not, and should not be the business of government to manage,
    influence, bias or otherwise tamper with the purchasing decisions of
    people engaged in a free market.

    They are literally using the power of taxation to pick who should win
    and lose in the market place.

    That is NOT a legitimate function of the government.


    So why do all GOP states issue tax credits?

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  • From governor.swill@gmail.com@21:1/5 to me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nosp on Mon Aug 15 16:06:02 2022
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    On Mon, 15 Aug 2022 07:29:31 -0400, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Climate Fairy Tales" <woetheclimate@latimes.com> wrote in message >news:ad4c67578594afd3bb1911b771701d9e@dizum.com...
    In article <t1i7sr$3258u$110@news.freedyn.de>
    forging asshole <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    Democrats pass another pork laden lie on the stupid American people.


    Congress is poised to approve newly expanded tax credits for
    electric vehicles, but the rules are written in such a way as to
    effectively disqualify every EV that's currently on the market
    today.

    Good.. no car should qualify for tax credits.. indeed NOTHING should qualify >for tax credits.

    Children? Healthcare expenses?

    It is not, and should not be the business of government to manage,
    influence, bias or otherwise tamper with the purchasing decisions of people >engaged in a free market.

    I disagree. It has been proven repeatedly that an unfettered market
    system will destroy itself. This is but one reason for government "interference".

    They are literally using the power of taxation to pick who should win and >lose in the market place.

    That is NOT a legitimate function of the government.

    Of course it is! It's the government's job to ensure even playing
    fields, support new technologies and prevent market abuse of
    consumers.

    You disagree? Tough. I don't and I vote too.

    Swill
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