When the wind stops blowing, the electricity stops flowing!
On 28/09/2021 5:57 am, contact wrote:
When the wind stops blowing, the electricity stops flowing!
Interesting my house is totally solar and I have power at night. Go figure
On 28/09/2021 5:57 am, contact wrote:
When the wind stops blowing, the electricity stops flowing!
Interesting my house is totally solar and I have power at night. Go figure
On 9/27/2021 2:15 PM, Dechucka wrote:
On 28/09/2021 5:57 am, contact wrote:
When the wind stops blowing, the electricity stops flowing!
Interesting my house is totally solar and I have power at night. Go
figure
We all figure that either "my house is totally solar" or "I have
power at night" is a lie, because they can't both be true.
"Just Wondering" wrote in message news:Ssq4J.17545$IO1.13914@fx19.iad...
On 9/27/2021 2:15 PM, Dechucka wrote:
On 28/09/2021 5:57 am, contact wrote:
When the wind stops blowing, the electricity stops flowing!
Interesting my house is totally solar and I have power at night. Go
figure
We all figure that either "my house is totally solar" or "I have
power at night" is a lie, because they can't both be true.
-----------------------
"Totally solar" is a "black box" model which means that solar is your
only source of electricity, it can include storage batteries to postpone
the use of that electricity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_box
On 9/27/2021 2:15 PM, Dechucka wrote:
On 28/09/2021 5:57 am, contact wrote:
When the wind stops blowing, the electricity stops flowing!
Interesting my house is totally solar and I have power at night. Go
figure
We all figure that either "my house is totally solar" or "I have
power at night" is a lie, because they can't both be true.
"Just Wondering" wrote in message news:Ssq4J.17545$IO1.13914@fx19.iad...
On 9/27/2021 2:15 PM, Dechucka wrote:
On 28/09/2021 5:57 am, contact wrote:
When the wind stops blowing, the electricity stops flowing!
Interesting my house is totally solar and I have power at night. Go
figure
We all figure that either "my house is totally solar" or "I have
power at night" is a lie, because they can't both be true.
-----------------------
"Totally solar" is a "black box" model which means that solar is your
only source of electricity, it can include storage batteries to postpone
the use of that electricity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_box
On 28/09/2021 7:12 am, Just Wondering wrote:
On 9/27/2021 2:15 PM, Dechucka wrote:
On 28/09/2021 5:57 am, contact wrote:
When the wind stops blowing, the electricity stops flowing!
Interesting my house is totally solar and I have power at night. Go
figure
We all figure that either "my house is totally solar" or "I have
power at night" is a lie, because they can't both be true.
That is the reality. Come on have a think about how this reality is
achieved.
On 9/27/2021 2:12 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
On 9/27/2021 2:15 PM, Dechucka wrote:
On 28/09/2021 5:57 am, contact wrote:
When the wind stops blowing, the electricity stops flowing!
Interesting my house is totally solar and I have power at night. Go
figure
We all figure that either "my house is totally solar" or "I have
power at night" is a lie, because they can't both be true.
No, we do not.
Yes, they can.
On 28/09/2021 8:11 am, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Just Wondering" wrote in message news:Ssq4J.17545$IO1.13914@fx19.iad... >>Not sure solar power stored in a battery is a "black box" model. The
On 9/27/2021 2:15 PM, Dechucka wrote:
On 28/09/2021 5:57 am, contact wrote:
When the wind stops blowing, the electricity stops flowing!
Interesting my house is totally solar and I have power at night. Go
figure
We all figure that either "my house is totally solar" or "I have
power at night" is a lie, because they can't both be true.
-----------------------
"Totally solar" is a "black box" model which means that solar is your
only source of electricity, it can include storage batteries to
postpone the use of that electricity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_box
system I have can obviously be scaled up, Aus currently has 7000
megawatts of battery storage to put into the grid.
On 9/27/2021 5:00 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 9/27/2021 2:12 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
On 9/27/2021 2:15 PM, Dechucka wrote:
On 28/09/2021 5:57 am, contact wrote:
When the wind stops blowing, the electricity stops flowing!
Interesting my house is totally solar and I have power at night. Go
figure
We all figure that either "my house is totally solar" or "I have
power at night" is a lie, because they can't both be true.
No, we do not.
Yes, they can.
Explain how you get totally solar energy when the sun
is below the horizon.
On 9/27/2021 4:31 PM, Dechucka wrote:
On 28/09/2021 8:11 am, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Just Wondering" wrote in messageNot sure solar power stored in a battery is a "black box" model. The
news:Ssq4J.17545$IO1.13914@fx19.iad...
On 9/27/2021 2:15 PM, Dechucka wrote:
On 28/09/2021 5:57 am, contact wrote:
When the wind stops blowing, the electricity stops flowing!
Interesting my house is totally solar and I have power at night. Go
figure
We all figure that either "my house is totally solar" or "I have
power at night" is a lie, because they can't both be true.
-----------------------
"Totally solar" is a "black box" model which means that solar is your
only source of electricity, it can include storage batteries to
postpone the use of that electricity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_box
system I have can obviously be scaled up, Aus currently has 7000
megawatts of battery storage to put into the grid.
Battery storage is chemical energy not solar energy.
On 9/27/2021 3:25 PM, Dechucka wrote:
On 28/09/2021 7:12 am, Just Wondering wrote:
On 9/27/2021 2:15 PM, Dechucka wrote:
On 28/09/2021 5:57 am, contact wrote:
When the wind stops blowing, the electricity stops flowing!
Interesting my house is totally solar and I have power at night. Go
figure
We all figure that either "my house is totally solar" or "I have
power at night" is a lie, because they can't both be true.
That is the reality. Come on have a think about how this reality is
achieved.
The reality is probably that you uses solar energy when the sun
is shining, and chemical energy in the form of batteries when
solar energy is unavailable.
Storage batteries = NOT "totally solar".
Storage batteries =
chemical energy -> electrical energy. They don't postpone
the use of solar energy, they use electrical energy which can
be from any source to make a chemical reaction. When you use
a battery, another chemical reaction that results in the release
of electrical energy. None of those processes involve solar
energy.
On 9/27/2021 4:11 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Just Wondering" wrote in message news:Ssq4J.17545$IO1.13914@fx19.iad... >>
On 9/27/2021 2:15 PM, Dechucka wrote:
On 28/09/2021 5:57 am, contact wrote:
When the wind stops blowing, the electricity stops flowing!
Interesting my house is totally solar and I have power at night. Go
figure
We all figure that either "my house is totally solar" or "I have
power at night" is a lie, because they can't both be true.
-----------------------
"Totally solar" is a "black box" model which means that solar is your
only source of electricity, it can include storage batteries to
postpone the use of that electricity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_box
Storage batteries = NOT "totally solar". Storage batteries =
chemical energy -> electrical energy. They don't postpone
the use of solar energy, they use electrical energy which can
be from any source to make a chemical reaction. When you use
a battery, another chemical reaction that results in the release
of electrical energy. None of those processes involve solar
energy.
On 28/09/2021 11:16 am, Just Wondering wrote:
On 9/27/2021 4:31 PM, Dechucka wrote:
On 28/09/2021 8:11 am, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Just Wondering" wrote in messageNot sure solar power stored in a battery is a "black box" model. The
news:Ssq4J.17545$IO1.13914@fx19.iad...
On 9/27/2021 2:15 PM, Dechucka wrote:
On 28/09/2021 5:57 am, contact wrote:
When the wind stops blowing, the electricity stops flowing!
Interesting my house is totally solar and I have power at night. Go
figure
We all figure that either "my house is totally solar" or "I have
power at night" is a lie, because they can't both be true.
-----------------------
"Totally solar" is a "black box" model which means that solar is
your only source of electricity, it can include storage batteries to
postpone the use of that electricity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_box
system I have can obviously be scaled up, Aus currently has 7000
megawatts of battery storage to put into the grid.
Battery storage is chemical energy not solar energy.
Solar energy is a chemical reaction, hey you can claim I'm using nuclear power.
If it makes you happy to believe that renewable energy can't
keep going when the sun doesn't and the wind doesn't blow
because chemical storage is used so be it.
On 9/27/2021 6:17 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
On 9/27/2021 5:00 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 9/27/2021 2:12 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
On 9/27/2021 2:15 PM, Dechucka wrote:
On 28/09/2021 5:57 am, contact wrote:
When the wind stops blowing, the electricity stops flowing!
Interesting my house is totally solar and I have power at night. Go
figure
We all figure that either "my house is totally solar" or "I have
power at night" is a lie, because they can't both be true.
No, we do not.
Yes, they can.
Explain how you get totally solar energy when the sun
is below the horizon.
I don't need to play your word games. The energy is solar, with some
stored in batteries for later use. It is not hydro, it is not fossil
fuel, it is solar.
On 28/09/2021 11:15 am, Just Wondering wrote:
On 9/27/2021 3:25 PM, Dechucka wrote:
On 28/09/2021 7:12 am, Just Wondering wrote:
On 9/27/2021 2:15 PM, Dechucka wrote:
On 28/09/2021 5:57 am, contact wrote:
When the wind stops blowing, the electricity stops flowing!
Interesting my house is totally solar and I have power at night. Go
figure
We all figure that either "my house is totally solar" or "I have
power at night" is a lie, because they can't both be true.
That is the reality. Come on have a think about how this reality is
achieved.
The reality is probably that you uses solar energy when the sun
is shining, and chemical energy in the form of batteries when
solar energy is unavailable.
The reality is that the energy comes from the sun, batteries are a
storage mechanism
Storage batteries = NOT "totally solar".
Yes they are as that is what charges them
Storage batteries = chemical energy -> electrical energy.
They don't postpone the use of solar energy, they use electrical
energy which can be from any source to make a chemical reaction.
When you use a battery, another chemical reaction that results
in the release of electrical energy. None of those processes
involve solar energy.
I'll give it a go and disconnect my solar panels from the batteries
and see how long this chemical reaction lasts, actually I know it
will be 5 days.
Than I will recharge them from the sun.
On 9/27/2021 8:30 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 9/27/2021 6:17 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
On 9/27/2021 5:00 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 9/27/2021 2:12 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
On 9/27/2021 2:15 PM, Dechucka wrote:
On 28/09/2021 5:57 am, contact wrote:
When the wind stops blowing, the electricity stops flowing!
Interesting my house is totally solar and I have power at night.
Go figure
We all figure that either "my house is totally solar" or "I have
power at night" is a lie, because they can't both be true.
No, we do not.
Yes, they can.
Explain how you get totally solar energy when the sun
is below the horizon.
I don't need to play your word games. The energy is solar, with some
stored in batteries for later use. It is not hydro, it is not fossil
fuel, it is solar.
You could use excess solar power during the day to pump water into an
uphill pond and use a water-powered generator at night.
use solar energy to grow trees and such that can be burned to power
electric generators. Fossil fuel is just wood that has been stored a
very long time before we burn it to release the stored solar power.
It's not a word game. Energy stored in batteries literally is
not solar energy even if electricity generated from solar panels
is used to charge the batteries. If you're going to play THAT
word game, quite literally every energy source in use is stored
solar energy. If that's the game you want to play, hydro power
is stored solar power. Wind power is stored solar power, Energy
from burning any sort of fuel is stored solar power. Muscle power
is stored solar power. Geothermal is stored solar power. Even
nuclear is stored solar power. So if THAT's how you play the
game, every house on the planet is totally solar.
On 9/27/2021 8:53 PM, Dechucka wrote:
On 28/09/2021 11:15 am, Just Wondering wrote:
On 9/27/2021 3:25 PM, Dechucka wrote:
On 28/09/2021 7:12 am, Just Wondering wrote:
On 9/27/2021 2:15 PM, Dechucka wrote:
On 28/09/2021 5:57 am, contact wrote:
When the wind stops blowing, the electricity stops flowing!
Interesting my house is totally solar and I have power at night.
Go figure
We all figure that either "my house is totally solar" or "I have
power at night" is a lie, because they can't both be true.
That is the reality. Come on have a think about how this reality is
achieved.
The reality is probably that you uses solar energy when the sun
is shining, and chemical energy in the form of batteries when
solar energy is unavailable.
The reality is that the energy comes from the sun, batteries are a
storage mechanism
If you want to play that game, hydroelectric power is only a
storage mechanism for solar energy. Wind energy is only a
storage machanism for solar energy. Burning anything (wood,
coal, oil, natural gas, ethanol, whatever) is only a storage
mechanism for solar energy. From science's explanation of how
suns and planets are formed, even nuclear energy is only a
storage mechanism for solar energy.
Storage batteries = NOT "totally solar".
Yes they are as that is what charges them
Any source of electricity will charge batteries. I charge the
batteries in my wireless computer mouse by plugging the mouse
into a USB port, which draws power from my computer which is
plugged into an outlet that receives power from my friendly
regional electric utility, which gets its electricity from
who knows where. Battery power is not solar power no matter
how much you want to rationalize it.>
Storage batteries = chemical energy -> electrical energy. They don't
postpone the use of solar energy, they use electrical
energy which can be from any source to make a chemical reaction. When
you use a battery, another chemical reaction that results
in the release of electrical energy. None of those processes
involve solar energy.
I'll give it a go and disconnect my solar panels from the batteries
and see how long this chemical reaction lasts, actually I know it will
be 5 days.
During those five days you will get your electricity from a
chemical reaction, not from the sun.
Than I will recharge them from the sun.
Or you could recharge your batteries from a gas-powered generator,
or you could hook up a car generator to a windmill and use the wind
to charge your batteries,
or connect that generator to a stationary
bicycle and pedal away until your batteries are charged.
However
you charge your batteries, when you draw power from those batteries
it is not solar power, it is chemical energy.
On 28/09/2021 11:13 am, Just Wondering wrote:
On 9/27/2021 4:11 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Just Wondering" wrote in message
news:Ssq4J.17545$IO1.13914@fx19.iad...
On 9/27/2021 2:15 PM, Dechucka wrote:
On 28/09/2021 5:57 am, contact wrote:
When the wind stops blowing, the electricity stops flowing!
Interesting my house is totally solar and I have power at night. Go
figure
We all figure that either "my house is totally solar" or "I have
power at night" is a lie, because they can't both be true.
"Totally solar" is a "black box" model which means that solar is your
only source of electricity, it can include storage batteries to
postpone the use of that electricity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_box
Storage batteries = NOT "totally solar". Storage batteries =
chemical energy -> electrical energy. They don't postpone
the use of solar energy, they use electrical energy which can
be from any source to make a chemical reaction. When you use
a battery, another chemical reaction that results in the release
of electrical energy. None of those processes involve solar
energy.
Except for the charging part in my case
On 28/09/2021 4:39 pm, Just Wondering wrote:
On 9/27/2021 8:53 PM, Dechucka wrote:
On 28/09/2021 11:15 am, Just Wondering wrote:
On 9/27/2021 3:25 PM, Dechucka wrote:
On 28/09/2021 7:12 am, Just Wondering wrote:
On 9/27/2021 2:15 PM, Dechucka wrote:
On 28/09/2021 5:57 am, contact wrote:
When the wind stops blowing, the electricity stops flowing!
Interesting my house is totally solar and I have power at night. >>>>>>> Go figure
We all figure that either "my house is totally solar" or "I have
power at night" is a lie, because they can't both be true.
That is the reality. Come on have a think about how this reality is
achieved.
The reality is probably that you uses solar energy when the sun
is shining, and chemical energy in the form of batteries when
solar energy is unavailable.
The reality is that the energy comes from the sun, batteries are a
storage mechanism
If you want to play that game, hydroelectric power is only a
storage mechanism for solar energy. Wind energy is only a
storage machanism for solar energy. Burning anything (wood,
coal, oil, natural gas, ethanol, whatever) is only a storage
mechanism for solar energy. From science's explanation of how
suns and planets are formed, even nuclear energy is only a
storage mechanism for solar energy.
Storage batteries = NOT "totally solar".
Yes they are as that is what charges them
Any source of electricity will charge batteries. I charge the
batteries in my wireless computer mouse by plugging the mouse
into a USB port, which draws power from my computer which is
plugged into an outlet that receives power from my friendly
regional electric utility, which gets its electricity from
who knows where. Battery power is not solar power no matter
how much you want to rationalize it.>
Of course solar is the source of power for the batteries. Thanks for a
new but inane argument
Storage batteries = chemical energy -> electrical energy. They don't
postpone the use of solar energy, they use electrical
energy which can be from any source to make a chemical reaction.
When you use a battery, another chemical reaction that results
in the release of electrical energy. None of those processes
involve solar energy.
I'll give it a go and disconnect my solar panels from the batteries
and see how long this chemical reaction lasts, actually I know it
will be 5 days.
During those five days you will get your electricity from a
chemical reaction, not from the sun.
A chemical reaction that got it's power from being recharged by the sun
Than I will recharge them from the sun.
Or you could recharge your batteries from a gas-powered generator,
or you could hook up a car generator to a windmill and use the wind
to charge your batteries,
Are wind power is an excellent renewable energy source
or connect that generator to a stationary
bicycle and pedal away until your batteries are charged.
My emergency radio works like that
However you charge your batteries, when you draw power from
those batteries it is not solar power, it is chemical energy.
If you're happy with that inanity so be it
On 9/27/2021 2:15 PM, Dechucka wrote:
On 28/09/2021 5:57 am, contact wrote:
When the wind stops blowing, the electricity stops flowing!
Interesting my house is totally solar and I have power at night. Go
figure
We all figure that either "my house is totally solar" or "I have
power at night" is a lie, because they can't both be true.
My emergency radio works like that
However you charge your batteries, when you draw power from
those batteries it is not solar power, it is chemical energy.
If you're happy with that inanity so be it
I'm talking science, you're talking political correctness.
Not sure solar power stored in a battery is a "black box" model. The
system I have can obviously be scaled up, Aus currently has 7000 megawatts
of battery storage to put into the grid.
Battery storage is chemical energy not solar energy.
"Just Wondering" wrote in message news:Ssq4J.17545$IO1.13914@fx19.iad...
On 9/27/2021 2:15 PM, Dechucka wrote:
On 28/09/2021 5:57 am, contact wrote:
When the wind stops blowing, the electricity stops flowing!
Interesting my house is totally solar and I have power at night. Go
figure
We all figure that either "my house is totally solar" or "I have
power at night" is a lie, because they can't both be true.
-----------------------
"Totally solar" is a "black box" model which means that solar is your only source of electricity, it can include storage batteries to postpone the
use of that electricity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_box
On 9/27/2021 6:17 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
On 9/27/2021 5:00 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 9/27/2021 2:12 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
On 9/27/2021 2:15 PM, Dechucka wrote:
On 28/09/2021 5:57 am, contact wrote:
When the wind stops blowing, the electricity stops flowing!
Interesting my house is totally solar and I have power at night. Go
figure
We all figure that either "my house is totally solar" or "I have
power at night" is a lie, because they can't both be true.
No, we do not.
Yes, they can.
Explain how you get totally solar energy when the sun
is below the horizon.
I don't need to play your word games. The energy is solar, with some
stored in batteries for later use. It is not hydro, it is not fossil fuel,
it is solar.
"Bob F" <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote in message news:situno$el1$1@dont-email.me...
On 9/27/2021 6:17 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
On 9/27/2021 5:00 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 9/27/2021 2:12 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
On 9/27/2021 2:15 PM, Dechucka wrote:
On 28/09/2021 5:57 am, contact wrote:
When the wind stops blowing, the electricity stops flowing!
Interesting my house is totally solar and I have power at night.
Go figure
We all figure that either "my house is totally solar" or "I have
power at night" is a lie, because they can't both be true.
No, we do not.
Yes, they can.
Explain how you get totally solar energy when the sun
is below the horizon.
I don't need to play your word games. The energy is solar, with some
stored in batteries for later use. It is not hydro, it is not fossil
fuel, it is solar.
<Raises Hand>
Can you tell me how you insure that the energy used to produce every component of the system, including transportation of such, used 100%
solar power?
Are cargo ships from China now equipped with solar powered engines?
Are you aware that the primary source of the overwhelming bulk of solar equipment is from the biggest source of emissions and pollution on the planet?
If you're just pushing the pollution to somewhere you don't see it, does
that really change anything?
On 9/27/2021 8:30 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 9/27/2021 6:17 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
On 9/27/2021 5:00 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 9/27/2021 2:12 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
On 9/27/2021 2:15 PM, Dechucka wrote:
On 28/09/2021 5:57 am, contact wrote:
When the wind stops blowing, the electricity stops flowing!
Interesting my house is totally solar and I have power at night.
Go figure
We all figure that either "my house is totally solar" or "I have
power at night" is a lie, because they can't both be true.
No, we do not.
Yes, they can.
Explain how you get totally solar energy when the sun
is below the horizon.
I don't need to play your word games. The energy is solar, with some
stored in batteries for later use. It is not hydro, it is not fossil
fuel, it is solar.
You could use excess solar power during the day to pump water into an
uphill pond and use a water-powered generator at night. We can and do
use solar energy to grow trees and such that can be burned to power
electric generators. Fossil fuel is just wood that has been stored a
very long time before we burn it to release the stored solar power.
It's not a word game. Energy stored in batteries literally is
not solar energy even if electricity generated from solar panels
is used to charge the batteries. If you're going to play THAT
word game, quite literally every energy source in use is stored
solar energy. If that's the game you want to play, hydro power
is stored solar power. Wind power is stored solar power, Energy
from burning any sort of fuel is stored solar power. Muscle power
is stored solar power. Geothermal is stored solar power. Even
nuclear is stored solar power. So if THAT's how you play the
game, every house on the planet is totally solar.
"Just Wondering" wrote in message news:Ssq4J.17545$IO1.13914@fx19.iad...
On 9/27/2021 2:15 PM, Dechucka wrote:
On 28/09/2021 5:57 am, contact wrote:
When the wind stops blowing, the electricity stops flowing!
Interesting my house is totally solar and I have power at night. Go
figure
We all figure that either "my house is totally solar" or "I have
power at night" is a lie, because they can't both be true.
-----------------------
"Totally solar" is a "black box" model which means that solar is your only source of electricity, it can include storage batteries to postpone the
use of that electricity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_box
If you're happy with that inanity so be it
I acknowledge the science. So you think science is inane. Got it.
If battery power is solar power, so is hydro power. But neither
is what people mean when they say "solar power".
On 28/09/2021 4:56 pm, Just Wondering wrote:
On 9/27/2021 8:30 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 9/27/2021 6:17 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
On 9/27/2021 5:00 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 9/27/2021 2:12 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
On 9/27/2021 2:15 PM, Dechucka wrote:
On 28/09/2021 5:57 am, contact wrote:
When the wind stops blowing, the electricity stops flowing!
Interesting my house is totally solar and I have power at night. >>>>>>> Go figure
We all figure that either "my house is totally solar" or "I have
power at night" is a lie, because they can't both be true.
No, we do not.
Yes, they can.
Explain how you get totally solar energy when the sun
is below the horizon.
I don't need to play your word games. The energy is solar, with some
stored in batteries for later use. It is not hydro, it is not fossil
fuel, it is solar.
You could use excess solar power during the day to pump water into an
uphill pond and use a water-powered generator at night.
Called pump hydro such a scheme is being built in the Snowys
We can and do
use solar energy to grow trees and such that can be burned to power
electric generators. Fossil fuel is just wood that has been stored a
very long time before we burn it to release the stored solar power.
It's not a word game. Energy stored in batteries literally is
not solar energy even if electricity generated from solar panels
is used to charge the batteries. If you're going to play THAT
word game, quite literally every energy source in use is stored
solar energy. If that's the game you want to play, hydro power
is stored solar power. Wind power is stored solar power, Energy
from burning any sort of fuel is stored solar power. Muscle power
is stored solar power. Geothermal is stored solar power. Even
nuclear is stored solar power. So if THAT's how you play the
game, every house on the planet is totally solar.
So lets stick to the renewable forms of this solar energy as
I'm doing with my solar powered farm
On 28/09/2021 4:39 pm, Just Wondering wrote:
On 9/27/2021 8:53 PM, Dechucka wrote:
On 28/09/2021 11:15 am, Just Wondering wrote:
On 9/27/2021 3:25 PM, Dechucka wrote:
On 28/09/2021 7:12 am, Just Wondering wrote:
On 9/27/2021 2:15 PM, Dechucka wrote:
On 28/09/2021 5:57 am, contact wrote:
When the wind stops blowing, the electricity stops flowing!
Interesting my house is totally solar and I have power at night. >>>>>>> Go figure
We all figure that either "my house is totally solar" or "I have
power at night" is a lie, because they can't both be true.
That is the reality. Come on have a think about how this reality is
achieved.
The reality is probably that you uses solar energy when the sun
is shining, and chemical energy in the form of batteries when
solar energy is unavailable.
The reality is that the energy comes from the sun, batteries are a
storage mechanism
If you want to play that game, hydroelectric power is only a
storage mechanism for solar energy. Wind energy is only a
storage machanism for solar energy. Burning anything (wood,
coal, oil, natural gas, ethanol, whatever) is only a storage
mechanism for solar energy. From science's explanation of how
suns and planets are formed, even nuclear energy is only a
storage mechanism for solar energy.
Storage batteries = NOT "totally solar".
Yes they are as that is what charges them
Any source of electricity will charge batteries. I charge the
batteries in my wireless computer mouse by plugging the mouse
into a USB port, which draws power from my computer which is
plugged into an outlet that receives power from my friendly
regional electric utility, which gets its electricity from
who knows where. Battery power is not solar power no matter
how much you want to rationalize it.>
Of course solar is the source of power for the batteries. Thanks for a
new but inane argument
Storage batteries = chemical energy -> electrical energy. They don't
postpone the use of solar energy, they use electrical
energy which can be from any source to make a chemical reaction.
When you use a battery, another chemical reaction that results
in the release of electrical energy. None of those processes
involve solar energy.
I'll give it a go and disconnect my solar panels from the batteries
and see how long this chemical reaction lasts, actually I know it
will be 5 days.
During those five days you will get your electricity from a
chemical reaction, not from the sun.
A chemical reaction that got it's power from being recharged by the sun
Than I will recharge them from the sun.
Or you could recharge your batteries from a gas-powered generator,
or you could hook up a car generator to a windmill and use the wind
to charge your batteries,
Are wind power is an excellent renewable energy source
or connect that generator to a stationary
bicycle and pedal away until your batteries are charged.
My emergency radio works like that
However you charge your batteries, when you draw power from
those batteries it is not solar power, it is chemical energy.
If you're happy with that inanity so be it
"Just Wondering" wrote in message news:D6z4J.85358$Dr.57485@fx40.iad...
It sounds like you use electricity from photovoltaic cells during
the day to charge your batteries. You then use electricity from
discharging your batteries when solar energy is not available.
That latter use is chemical energy, not solar energy.
Read my other posts on this subject. If you want to play the game
of "my batteries are stored solar power", then every bloody energy
source on the planet, from horse-drawn carts to burning wood or
ethanol or coal to wind and hydro power to nuclear power is also
stored solar power.
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Your attempted redefinition of "total solar" would render the term
useless. You are entitled to your opinion, and we to ours.
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On 9/27/2021 4:31 PM, Dechucka wrote:
Not sure solar power stored in a battery is a "black box" model. The
system I have can obviously be scaled up, Aus currently has 7000
megawatts of battery storage to put into the grid.
Then you don't understand the formal logic of scientific modeling. The
Black Box can include internal storage of inputs.
Battery storage is chemical energy not solar energy.
That's irrelevant if the source of that energy is solar.
You can call it whatever you please, but these systems are really
defined by the scientists and engineers who design and build them.
Solar panels without either storage or a sink like the grid to receive
the energy are nearly useless, because almost all real-world loads are
so variable.
I've been experimenting with immediate use of solar power in a freezer
with a DC compressor. In the middle of the day solar panel output is
enough to operate the compressor, and the Watt meter on the input to the attached AC power supply reads zero.
When the compressor is off the solar current diverts to float charging
the freezer's backup battery and topping off other spares. Yesterday I checked the battery electrolyte and confirmed that the float voltage is enough to maintain a full charge but below the gassing level. This is
how a UPS or exit light maintains its lead-acid battery, with the disadvantage that after an outage a full recharge at the float voltage
can take a day or more, as indicated by the trickle charging current.
When solar current isn't enough the compressor draws the rest from the
AC supply, shown by the power division on their Watt meters, or if the
grid fails it draws from the battery.
This meter keeps track of energy into and out of the battery: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32785159924.html
and this one monitors power drawn from the the AC line: https://www.aliexpress.com/cheap/cheap-pzem-061.html
This PZEM-031 reads DC solar power but it doesn't like the low voltages
at dawn and dusk so I added a relay that protects it from seeing less
than 10V:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32413784036.html
That's as close as I get to using all available solar power as it is produced.
The other application for immediate use of solar power is heating water,
but I keep my low voltage solar circuits as isolated from the grid as possible for safety. Otherwise it's just a theoretical exercise, not a practical home power system.
You can't intelligently discuss energy without an understanding of thermodynamics and energy quality, which concerns how easily it can be transformed between forms such as the heat of a fire vs electricity or
shaft rotation. Unfortunately the non-technical general public doesn't
seem to appreciate the distinction between a primary source of energy
like sunlight and the secondary means of storing and distributing it,
like hydrogen or electricity. https://stem.guide/topic/primary-resources-and-secondary-energy/
"Totally Solar" refers to the primary source. Secondary conversions
don't matter.
On 9/27/2021 11:56 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
On 9/27/2021 8:30 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 9/27/2021 6:17 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
On 9/27/2021 5:00 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 9/27/2021 2:12 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
On 9/27/2021 2:15 PM, Dechucka wrote:
On 28/09/2021 5:57 am, contact wrote:
When the wind stops blowing, the electricity stops flowing!
Interesting my house is totally solar and I have power at night. >>>>>>> Go figure
We all figure that either "my house is totally solar" or "I have
power at night" is a lie, because they can't both be true.
No, we do not.
Yes, they can.
Explain how you get totally solar energy when the sun
is below the horizon.
I don't need to play your word games. The energy is solar, with some
stored in batteries for later use. It is not hydro, it is not fossil
fuel, it is solar.
You could use excess solar power during the day to pump water into an
uphill pond and use a water-powered generator at night. We can and do
use solar energy to grow trees and such that can be burned to power
electric generators. Fossil fuel is just wood that has been stored a
very long time before we burn it to release the stored solar power.
It's not a word game. Energy stored in batteries literally is
not solar energy even if electricity generated from solar panels
is used to charge the batteries. If you're going to play THAT
word game, quite literally every energy source in use is stored
solar energy. If that's the game you want to play, hydro power
is stored solar power. Wind power is stored solar power, Energy
from burning any sort of fuel is stored solar power. Muscle power
is stored solar power. Geothermal is stored solar power. Even
nuclear is stored solar power. So if THAT's how you play the
game, every house on the planet is totally solar.
The significant issue is that the solar house with batteries is getting
its energy from the sun, not from fossil fuel, reducing it's damage to
the climate from CO2 releases. If it charged the batteries from a coal
power plant, that would not be the case.
A solar heated house stores thermal energy in thermal mass for use
overnight. A solar powered house can similarly store energy in electric batteries, or flywheels. They are both solar.
But of course, common sense seems to mean nothing to you. You
just have to be "right".
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On 9/27/2021 2:15 PM, Dechucka wrote:
On 28/09/2021 5:57 am, contact wrote:
When the wind stops blowing, the electricity stops flowing!
Interesting my house is totally solar and I have power at night. Go
figure
We all figure that either "my house is totally solar" or "I have
power at night" is a lie, because they can't both be true.
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"Totally solar" is a "black box" model which means that solar is your
only source of electricity, it can include storage batteries to postpone
the use of that electricity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_box
Average consumption 30 kilowatthours (kWh).
Figure 16 hours of storage as a bare minimum
100Ahr battery = 600 wh
Minimum required 40 batteries.
Cost about $8000 just for the batteries.
Another $14,000 for the solar system
Figure about $15,000 for installation.
More for the lost floor space, or building to hold all this.
And that only gets you through the day. If you don't have 8 hours of full charge... overcast, raining, snow, etc then your battery capacity requirements will go up drastically,.
Then we need to calculate the pollution produced for all that hardware,
the
regular replacement of the batteries, panels and systems over a lifetime
and
then figure out if you're actually cutting emissions... or just spreading
it
around.
Seems to me to be a lot of money and issues for a dubious reduction in pollution.
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My backup system isn't nearly that large or expensive, and my normal consumption is under 5KWH per day.
The backup supports a compact refrigerator and small freezer plus one or
two laptops for cellular Internet and antenna television. For meals I run
a 2KW inverter generator, or use the wood stove since most long outages
here are from winter ice storms. Laundry requires a 3KW generator and kick-starting by releasing the old Maytag's belt tension with my foot on
the motor. I freeze-dry the laundry on an outdoor clothes line, typically within the same day since winter humidity is very low.
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Are cargo ships from China now equipped with solar powered engines?
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Be careful what you wish for, you may get it and suffer the consequences. https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a34272175/wind-powered-sailboat-cargo-shipping-future/
The better wooden sailing ships could do 15 knots, the best over 20.
On 9/28/2021 7:02 AM, Scout wrote:
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On 9/27/2021 6:17 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
On 9/27/2021 5:00 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 9/27/2021 2:12 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
On 9/27/2021 2:15 PM, Dechucka wrote:
On 28/09/2021 5:57 am, contact wrote:
When the wind stops blowing, the electricity stops flowing!
Interesting my house is totally solar and I have power at night. Go >>>>>>> figure
We all figure that either "my house is totally solar" or "I have
power at night" is a lie, because they can't both be true.
No, we do not.
Yes, they can.
Explain how you get totally solar energy when the sun
is below the horizon.
I don't need to play your word games. The energy is solar, with some
stored in batteries for later use. It is not hydro, it is not fossil
fuel, it is solar.
<Raises Hand>
Can you tell me how you insure that the energy used to produce every
component of the system, including transportation of such, used 100%
solar power?
Are cargo ships from China now equipped with solar powered engines?
Are you aware that the primary source of the overwhelming bulk of solar
equipment is from the biggest source of emissions and pollution on the
planet?
If you're just pushing the pollution to somewhere you don't see it, does
that really change anything?
Name a few power sources that do not have those costs.
snip
If battery power is solar power, so is hydro power. But neither
is what people mean when they say "solar power".
So you know what is meant and I know what is meant so why your inane
arguing?
snip
If you're happy with that inanity so be it
I acknowledge the science. So you think science is inane. Got it.
If aknowledge science you'll know all about the GHG properties of
certain molecules
On 9/28/2021 2:44 PM, Dechucka wrote:
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If battery power is solar power, so is hydro power. But neither
is what people mean when they say "solar power".
So you know what is meant and I know what is meant so why your inane
arguing?
What you mean is that battery power is solar power. What I mean
is that it is not. What I mean is science.
What you mean requires
that you ignore science.
So you're happy playing words games. I'm happy reducing GHG production
You're happy trying to change the subject when you can't refute
me on the facts.
On 29/09/2021 7:03 am, Just Wondering wrote:
On 9/28/2021 2:44 PM, Dechucka wrote:
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If battery power is solar power, so is hydro power. But neither
is what people mean when they say "solar power".
So you know what is meant and I know what is meant so why your inane
arguing?
What you mean is that battery power is solar power. What I mean
is that it is not. What I mean is science.
I'm sure you've kept up with the science as it's been known since the
1800s. You'll also understand that these molecules don't change their properties from the lab to the atmosphere.
I'll do my bit while at the same time saving money and ensuring
reliability esp during bush-fires and other natural disasters
What you mean requires
that you ignore science.
So you're happy playing words games. I'm happy reducing GHG production
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<yawn> do you really expect people to make this change?
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Not at all, but I hope they understand the personal consequences of what
they demand of others
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<yawn> do you really expect people to make this change?
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Not at all, but I hope they understand the personal consequences of what
they demand of others
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<yawn> do you really expect people to make this change?
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Not at all, but I hope they understand the personal consequences of
what they demand of others
What personal consequences?
Do what they want to do, how they want to do it?
Yea, that's gotta be a bummer
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