• We need to rethink everything we know about global warming

    From Bob F@21:1/5 to BeamMeUpScotty on Sun Jan 27 10:36:24 2019
    XPost: sci.environment, sci.physics, alt.politics.economics
    XPost: soc.culture.usa

    On 1/27/2019 7:36 AM, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
    On 1/27/19 1:27 AM, Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
    We need to rethink everything we know about global warming

    sciencedaily.com
    January 22, 2019

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/01/190122104611.htm

    [""""""
    However, if this is true then how come the earth is getting warmer, not cooler? For all of the global attention on climate warming, aerosol
    pollution rates from vehicles, agriculture and power plants is still
    very high. For Rosenfeld, this discrepancy might point to an ever deeper
    and more troubling reality. "If the aerosols indeed cause a greater
    cooling effect than previously estimated, then the warming effect of the greenhouse gases has also been larger than we thought, enabling
    greenhouse gas emissions to overcome the cooling effect of aerosols and points to a greater amount of global warming than we previously
    thought," he shared.
    """""""]


    We reduced aerosol use...
    So basically they're saying that Global Warming scientists decided to
    ignore the fact *that they didn't have all the facts* and tell us that
    they were sure that there is GLOBAL WARMING, except they were right for
    all the wrong reasons.... and now it's worse, except they still can't
    prove that GLOBAL WARMING REALLY EXISTS and if it does it's being
    nullified by Climate change.

    But they want us to believe that the positive feedback that created
    Global warming, has been muted by another positive feedback that halted Global Warming.

    Are they saying the climate system is working to balance the effects
    that life has on it so that the climate adapts to all the life on the
    planet to keep the temperature and other natural needs that life has
    adapted to, within a range that does allow life to continue. SO the
    planet does what it does and we adapted to it, and now it's doing what
    it does and we, are still adapted to it because it's neither hotter or
    cooler by enough to cause very many species to go extinct, and yet it
    has caused some extinctions in the past and will in the future but we
    need to stop those extinctions for some reason that those Climate
    Scientists can't tell us?

    There is no warming or cooling if they have nullified one another. If
    they are not showing a resulting cooling or heating then they're just climate.... the same as it has been climate for thousands of years
    before we were here to measure it and be scared of what we measure.


    "If the aerosols indeed cause a greater cooling effect than previously estimated, then the warming effect of the greenhouse gases has also been
    larger than we thought, enabling greenhouse gas emissions to overcome
    the cooling effect of aerosols and points to a greater amount of global
    warming than we previously thought,"

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  • From Bob F@21:1/5 to Eric Stevens on Sun Jan 27 19:49:40 2019
    XPost: soc.culture.indian, alt.fan.jai-maharaj, sci.environment
    XPost: sci.physics

    On 1/27/2019 3:50 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
    On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 10:36:45 -0500, BeamMeUpScotty
    <Not-Sure@idiocracy.gov> wrote:

    On 1/27/19 1:27 AM, Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
    We need to rethink everything we know about global warming

    sciencedaily.com
    January 22, 2019

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/01/190122104611.htm

    [""""""
    However, if this is true then how come the earth is getting warmer, not
    cooler?

    What makes you think it is? See http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/UAH_LT_1979_thru_February_2018_v6.jpg

    Which, of course, completely ignores the clear fact that most of the
    warming is being absorbed by the oceans, and therefore, doesn't yet show
    at all in your propaganda page.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-much-heat-does-the-ocean-trap-robots-find-out/

    https://science.slashdot.org/story/18/10/31/1845252/startling-new-research-finds-large-buildup-of-heat-in-the-oceans-suggesting-a-faster-rate-of-global-warming-update?sdsrc=rel

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  • From Eric Stevens@21:1/5 to Bob F on Tue Jan 29 15:29:33 2019
    XPost: soc.culture.indian, alt.fan.jai-maharaj, sci.environment
    XPost: sci.physics

    On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 19:49:40 -0800, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 1/27/2019 3:50 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
    On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 10:36:45 -0500, BeamMeUpScotty
    <Not-Sure@idiocracy.gov> wrote:

    On 1/27/19 1:27 AM, Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
    We need to rethink everything we know about global warming

    sciencedaily.com
    January 22, 2019

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/01/190122104611.htm

    [""""""
    However, if this is true then how come the earth is getting warmer, not
    cooler?

    What makes you think it is? See
    http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/UAH_LT_1979_thru_February_2018_v6.jpg

    Which, of course, completely ignores the clear fact that most of the
    warming is being absorbed by the oceans, and therefore, doesn't yet show
    at all in your propaganda page.

    It is what it says it it is: the "UAH SatelliteBased Temperature of
    the Global Lower Atmosphere". There is no propoganda in it. Now if you
    had you were referring to warming absorbed from the oceans, I would
    have asked you your source. Have you got one?

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-much-heat-does-the-ocean-trap-robots-find-out/

    That says nothing about whether the earth is getting warmer or cooler.

    https://science.slashdot.org/story/18/10/31/1845252/startling-new-research-finds-large-buildup-of-heat-in-the-oceans-suggesting-a-faster-rate-of-global-warming-update?sdsrc=rel

    That's nothing but speculation on the basis of what is elsewhere
    described as "a much criticized paper".

    Try this one, but you may have to reach your own conclusions. https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/01/23/deep-ocean-warming-in-degrees-c/
    Some going up. Some going down. All with chages of fractions of a
    degree per decade. So what's the measurement error?
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    Regards,

    Eric Stevens

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