• automobile remotes

    From Rich D@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 16 14:24:02 2021
    A question concerning the car remotes; door lock, headlights, etc.

    Each car/handset must be a matched pair, regarding the ID
    and security codes. Obviously only one car in the parking
    lot ought to respond.

    Are the ID codes determined by each manufacturer, as
    they choose? Or is there an intern'l body which allocates
    them, such that each is guaranteed unique, just as
    every telephone has a unique number?

    Additionally, anybody know anything about their modulation
    methods, or FCC regs? i.e. simple on/off key?

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    Rich

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  • From Jon Elson@21:1/5 to Rich D on Thu Feb 18 20:33:55 2021
    Rich D wrote:

    A question concerning the car remotes; door lock, headlights, etc.

    Each car/handset must be a matched pair, regarding the ID
    and security codes. Obviously only one car in the parking
    lot ought to respond.

    Are the ID codes determined by each manufacturer, as
    they choose? Or is there an intern'l body which allocates
    them, such that each is guaranteed unique, just as
    every telephone has a unique number?
    Well, they have a chip that is programmed at the factory, probably with a sequentially-incremented number. The car is then trained to accept several key's serial numbers. The all-in-one keys/fobs have two chips, one operated
    by pushbutton with a coin cell for door unlock, and one RF-powered by the engine computer through a coil near the ignition lock, for immobilizer.
    So, in theory, there should be no two cars anywhere that respond to the same code.

    Jon

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  • From Rich D@21:1/5 to Jon Elson on Mon Feb 22 12:25:06 2021
    OnFebruary 18, Jon Elson wrote:
    A question concerning the car remotes; door lock, headlights, etc.
    Each car/handset must be a matched pair, regarding the ID
    and security codes. Obviously only one car in the parking
    lot ought to respond.
    Are the ID codes determined by each manufacturer, as
    they choose? Or is there an intern'l body which allocates
    them, such that each is guaranteed unique, just as
    every telephone has a unique number?

    Well, they have a chip that is programmed at the factory, probably with a sequentially-incremented number. The car is then trained to accept several key's serial numbers. The all-in-one keys/fobs have two chips, one operated by pushbutton with a coin cell for door unlock, and one RF-powered by the engine computer through a coil near the ignition lock, for immobilizer.

    So, each manuf'r has its own allocation of ID numbers. And, presumably, its own
    RF format. Are there FCC regs on that?

    So, in theory, there should be no two cars anywhere that respond to the same code.

    Well, no. There's no intern'l body allocating the codes, so in theory, there
    could be duplication.

    Whereas, in the phone network, you dial a number, it's guaranteed to ring exactly
    one target device.

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    Rich

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  • From Ralph Mowery@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 22 18:22:21 2021
    In article <6a0dcc88-715f-4d67-8a14-45819e1744a5n@googlegroups.com>, rdelaney2001@gmail.com says...

    So, each manuf'r has its own allocation of ID numbers. And, presumably, its own
    RF format. Are there FCC regs on that?




    For many of the low powered devices the FCC just states what frequency
    and power level they can use. Just about anything else is up to the
    designer. Very little FCC regulation.

    They are unlicensed devices and often stated that they must accept any interference and not cause any to a licensed service.

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