• Watts vs. VAs

    From Kenny McCormack@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 5 19:05:13 2016
    My basic question is: Which one does the power company bill you for?

    Background: I have one of those "Kill A Watt" thingies, and I've noticed
    that it tells you the number of Watts, the number of "Volt Amps" (which is generally greater than Watts) and the "Power Factor" (which is, of course, Watts divided by VA, so it will be something like 0.6). I sort of, almost, understand the difference between Watts and VAs, but what I am really
    curious about is which one the power company uses to bill you. I would
    expect Watts, but you know how companies are, they usually pick whatever
    will maximize the bill...

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  • From Boris Mohar@21:1/5 to McCormack on Sun Mar 6 09:09:46 2016
    On Sat, 5 Mar 2016 19:05:13 +0000 (UTC), gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) wrote:

    My basic question is: Which one does the power company bill you for?

    Background: I have one of those "Kill A Watt" thingies, and I've noticed
    that it tells you the number of Watts, the number of "Volt Amps" (which is >generally greater than Watts) and the "Power Factor" (which is, of course, >Watts divided by VA, so it will be something like 0.6). I sort of, almost, >understand the difference between Watts and VAs, but what I am really
    curious about is which one the power company uses to bill you. I would >expect Watts, but you know how companies are, they usually pick whatever
    will maximize the bill...

    Watts
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  • From Kenny McCormack@21:1/5 to borism_void_@sympatico.ca on Mon Mar 7 05:50:20 2016
    In article <dgeodblf4q5n7gmcvsnnjcqrr8gqbqd11m@4ax.com>,
    Boris Mohar <borism_void_@sympatico.ca> wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Mar 2016 19:05:13 +0000 (UTC), gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny >McCormack) wrote:

    My basic question is: Which one does the power company bill you for?

    Background: I have one of those "Kill A Watt" thingies, and I've noticed >>that it tells you the number of Watts, the number of "Volt Amps" (which is >>generally greater than Watts) and the "Power Factor" (which is, of course, >>Watts divided by VA, so it will be something like 0.6). I sort of, almost, >>understand the difference between Watts and VAs, but what I am really >>curious about is which one the power company uses to bill you. I would >>expect Watts, but you know how companies are, they usually pick whatever >>will maximize the bill...

    Watts
    (Boris)

    OK, thanks.

    BTW, how's Natasha doing these days?

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  • From Boris Mohar@21:1/5 to McCormack on Mon Mar 7 09:15:02 2016
    On Mon, 7 Mar 2016 05:50:20 +0000 (UTC), gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) wrote:

    In article <dgeodblf4q5n7gmcvsnnjcqrr8gqbqd11m@4ax.com>,
    Boris Mohar <borism_void_@sympatico.ca> wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Mar 2016 19:05:13 +0000 (UTC), gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny >>McCormack) wrote:

    My basic question is: Which one does the power company bill you for?

    Background: I have one of those "Kill A Watt" thingies, and I've noticed >>>that it tells you the number of Watts, the number of "Volt Amps" (which is >>>generally greater than Watts) and the "Power Factor" (which is, of course, >>>Watts divided by VA, so it will be something like 0.6). I sort of, almost, >>>understand the difference between Watts and VAs, but what I am really >>>curious about is which one the power company uses to bill you. I would >>>expect Watts, but you know how companies are, they usually pick whatever >>>will maximize the bill...

    Watts
    (Boris)

    OK, thanks.

    BTW, how's Natasha doing these days?

    Natasha Fatale is a girlfriend of Boris Nadenov. Wrong Boris. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Badenov
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  • From Don Bruder@21:1/5 to Kenny McCormack on Mon Mar 7 06:39:56 2016
    In article <nbj4qs$v4m$1@news.xmission.com>,
    gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) wrote:

    In article <dgeodblf4q5n7gmcvsnnjcqrr8gqbqd11m@4ax.com>,
    Boris Mohar <borism_void_@sympatico.ca> wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Mar 2016 19:05:13 +0000 (UTC), gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny >McCormack) wrote:

    My basic question is: Which one does the power company bill you for?

    Background: I have one of those "Kill A Watt" thingies, and I've noticed >>that it tells you the number of Watts, the number of "Volt Amps" (which is >>generally greater than Watts) and the "Power Factor" (which is, of course, >>Watts divided by VA, so it will be something like 0.6). I sort of, almost, >>understand the difference between Watts and VAs, but what I am really >>curious about is which one the power company uses to bill you. I would >>expect Watts, but you know how companies are, they usually pick whatever >>will maximize the bill...

    Watts
    (Boris)

    OK, thanks.

    BTW, how's Natasha doing these days?

    Last I heard, she was about to dump Boris and was probably bedding
    Fearless Leader. Something about not being able to cope with Boris and
    his moose & squirrel fetish was mentioned in the tabloids.

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