• Panasonic schottky or not ?

    From legg@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 18 11:52:44 2017
    In the Panasonic schottky diode catalog, there are a number of parts
    that don't state that the parts are schottky, though the top of the
    catalog page still carries the schottky barrier diode heading. They
    share similar part numbering structures and descriptions as parts in
    the ultrafast rectifier line.

    Schottky parts are fabbed using the same 'planar' process, but the
    'epitaxial' description seems out of place here.

    A possible confusion is aggravated by Panasonic's tendency to describe
    the reverse recovery time of schottky parts, when positioned in the
    standard Trr test circuit, where performance is basically an RC
    effect.

    eg:

    https://media.digikey.com/pdf/Data%20Sheets/Panasonic%20Electronic%20Components/MA3J744.pdf

    Does anyone out there have actual experience in weeding out small
    signal and rectifier schottkys from UFRs in the Panasonic line-up?

    I've only ever used a few of their schottky parts. Conventional fast
    diodes are easily supplied by more prominent mfrs, so there's never
    been an issue. Vendors seem only to have the same ambiguous data
    sheets to draw from. They appear to have no trouble correcting
    Panasonic's faulty package drawing designations - but descriptions of
    'schottky or not' follows the data sheet page catalog section's
    header.

    RL

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  • From Jon Elson@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 18 14:05:48 2017
    legg wrote:

    https://media.digikey.com/pdf/Data%20Sheets/Panasonic%20Electronic%20Components/MA3J744.pdf

    Does anyone out there have actual experience in weeding out small
    signal and rectifier schottkys from UFRs in the Panasonic line-up?

    Well, just look at the forward voltage drop, and you should be able to
    easily separate Schottky from P-N junction diodes.

    Jon

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  • From oldschool@tubes.com@21:1/5 to legg on Tue Dec 19 13:21:17 2017
    On Mon, 18 Dec 2017 11:52:44 -0500, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:

    In the Panasonic schottky diode catalog, there are a number of parts
    that don't state that the parts are schottky, though the top of the
    catalog page still carries the schottky barrier diode heading. They
    share similar part numbering structures and descriptions as parts in
    the ultrafast rectifier line.

    Schottky parts are fabbed using the same 'planar' process, but the >'epitaxial' description seems out of place here.

    A possible confusion is aggravated by Panasonic's tendency to describe
    the reverse recovery time of schottky parts, when positioned in the
    standard Trr test circuit, where performance is basically an RC
    effect.

    eg:

    https://media.digikey.com/pdf/Data%20Sheets/Panasonic%20Electronic%20Components/MA3J744.pdf

    Does anyone out there have actual experience in weeding out small
    signal and rectifier schottkys from UFRs in the Panasonic line-up?

    I've only ever used a few of their schottky parts. Conventional fast
    diodes are easily supplied by more prominent mfrs, so there's never
    been an issue. Vendors seem only to have the same ambiguous data
    sheets to draw from. They appear to have no trouble correcting
    Panasonic's faulty package drawing designations - but descriptions of >'schottky or not' follows the data sheet page catalog section's
    header.

    RL

    I was looking on ebay at some 6 Amp diodes. There seems to be hundreds
    of them being sold on ebay, and sold as rectifiers. I dont do much
    design work, just some repairs, so I have not run across this till now.
    I just thought a diode is a diode as far as those being sold for
    rectifiers. And that generally refers to diodes rated at 1A or more.

    My intended use at the moment is for a diode to use on a piece of
    machinery and used to prevent 12 volts DC from back feeding in an
    alternator charging circuit. One part number that I thought might fit my
    needs for voltage and amperage was Schottky diode 1N5817. (Which was too
    light duty for my needs). There are also a whole bunch of diodes being
    sold for "Solar panel" use, with numbers such as 6A10 (6 amp) or 10A10
    (10 amp). There seems to be a ton of them listed on ebay. However both
    these 6A10 and 10A10, as well as 1N5817 are ALL listed as Schottky. Yet
    over half of the listings on ebay DO NOT contain that word.

    This made me question the suitability of this type of diode for my
    application. I ended up reading up on the schottky diodes, to learn what
    makes them different from common diodes. I learned their
    characteristics, but was left not knowing if they would suit my needs in
    this charging circuit or not. My guess is that they probably would work
    just fine, but I'm no expert on circuit design, and dont take chances on something like this, where a costly alternator or the gas engine itself
    could be damaged by using the wrong diode. I ended up buying a different numbered common diode for this use.

    But what gets me, is that close to half the ebay listings do not even
    use the word "schottky" in their listings. So what would happen if I was building a power supply and used schottky diodes where common diodes
    were intended? Once again, it looks like they would probably work, but "probably" is not good enough for me. So, selling these without using
    that word, should not be allowed.

    It appears that schottky diodes are probably superior to common silicon
    diodes, but are they directly interchangable? I dont know????

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