A new cable works wonderfully. For maybe 6 weeks. Then when I use the Samsung >phone while charging... "Beep-boop, beep-boop”, charge indicator on, off,
on, off. Over and over.
Replace cable, all is well.
Rinse, repeat.
Buying a new cable every month is not expensive but also not something one >should have to do.
Yes, I've cleaned out the phone's connector of lint and debris.
I've seen instructions re. fixing the cable connector by bending the tension >pins (external, bottom-side) but there are several types of tensioning >designs; not all are repairable, IME.
Anyone find a long-term fix, or quality cable that avoids this problem >altogether?
Thanks.
A new cable works wonderfully. For maybe 6 weeks. Then when I use the Samsung >phone while charging... "Beep-boop, beep-boop”, charge indicator on, off,
on, off. Over and over.
Buying a new cable every month is not expensive but also not something one >should have to do.
On Mon, 04 Jul 2016 19:16:48 -0700, DaveC <not@home.cow> wrote:
A new cable works wonderfully. For maybe 6 weeks. Then when I use the Samsung
phone while charging... "Beep-boop, beep-boop”, charge indicator on, off,
on, off. Over and over.
It's designed to destroy the cable instead of the connector in your unspecified model Samsung phone. In previous mini-USB connector was a problem because it would destroy the connector in the phone which
would be far more expensive than replacing the USB cable. The
improved micro-USB connector destroys the much cheaper USB cable. I
think I pay about $1/ea for cables.
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/141558130661>
You might want to stock up on cables.
These might explain the situation: <http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/18552/why-was-mini-usb-deprecated-in-favor-of-micro-usb>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB#Durability>
I can't tell from your description why your cables are failing. I
don't think it's the cables as most of them are quite durable. The
connector is rated for 10,000 insertion/removal cycles. If you
plugged and unplugged your phone 4 times per day, that's 2,500 days or
6.8 years.
I occasionally see some problems caused by rubberized phone
"protectors". The charging connector doesn't quite fit through the
rubber case so the user applies brute force to complete the
connection. Sometimes the hole in the case is misaligned with the
phone connector or sometimes the molded plug on the cable is too large
to fit neatly in the hole in the case. If you suspect the case, you
might try a different one, with a larger opening for the charger
connector.
Another problem is arcing. The micro-USB connector system is made to
be hot pluggable/unpluggable. Unfortunately, some phones and chargers
have large capacitors across the output which can pit the gold plated contacts. The chargers are suppose to start at a low current,
negotiate the maximum current, and then switch to the higher (2A)
charging current. Some cheap chargers go directly to 2A causing the
arcing. Some dirt and crud in the connector can produce a tiny arc.
The problem is that you have to tear the plug apart to see the damage
to the contacts. You might try that on one of your numerous failed
cables. If that seems to be the problem, which I think quite likely,
buy a different and better charger.
<http://www.righto.com/2012/03/inside-cheap-phone-charger-and-why-you.html> <http://www.righto.com/2012/10/a-dozen-usb-chargers-in-lab-apple-is.html>
The trick is to insert the cable in the phone first, no power, THEN
insert the power supply/charger end.
Maybe the phone connector is damaged. It gets a lot of wear. My phone
has some damaged pins that mangled the mates too. It has
cradle-charging connections on the side, so I use that now.
think I pay about $1/ea for cables.
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/141558130661>
You might want to stock up on cables.
I can't tell from your description why your cables are failing. I
don't think it's the cables as most of them are quite durable. The
connector is rated for 10,000 insertion/removal cycles. If you
plugged and unplugged your phone 4 times per day, that's 2,500 days or
6.8 years.
I occasionally see some problems caused by rubberized phone "protectors".
On 7/4/2016 8:20 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
These might explain the situation:
<http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/18552/why-was-mini-usb-deprecated-in-favor-of-micro-usb>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB#Durability>
I can't tell from your description why your cables are failing. I
don't think it's the cables as most of them are quite durable. The
connector is rated for 10,000 insertion/removal cycles. If you
plugged and unplugged your phone 4 times per day, that's 2,500 days or
6.8 years.
Would be interesting to learn how they estimated that reliability.
If you have a machine that properly aligns the connectors when
plugged, maybe.
When a human plugs it in, rips it out, uses the device while charging
so that the connector gets pulled, pushed, twisted, things can get loose >really fast.
I buy most of my devices used at garage sales. I've never had any
problems with mini-usb connections.
Virtually ALL acquired devices with micro-usb connectors are loose or >intermittent.
I've switched to add-on Qi charge adapters that stay connected permanently >and don't get stressed in use.
I think I pay about $1/ea for cables.
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/141558130661>
think I pay about $1/ea for cables.
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/141558130661>
You might want to stock up on cables.
All the purdee colors! This is the brand you buy? (looking for a >recommendation not just Google results...)
I can't tell from your description why your cables are failing. I
don't think it's the cables as most of them are quite durable. The
connector is rated for 10,000 insertion/removal cycles. If you
plugged and unplugged your phone 4 times per day, that's 2,500 days or
6.8 years.
Hence my inquiry here.
How often do *you* replace a micro-USB cable, Jeff?
I occasionally see some problems caused by rubberized phone "protectors".
Not using a case or protector.
Thanks.
Also, you might try disclosing the Samsung phone model number.
Different phones tend to have specific problems. Also, are you doing
anything unusual while charging, such as charging the phone while it's sitting on a car seat while bouncing down the road or anything that
might cause movement of the connector while charging? An excessively
loose connector will make that worse. You might compare your
retention force with a different phone and micro-USB connector pair.
On 4 Jul 2016, John Larkin wrote:
Maybe the phone connector is damaged. It gets a lot of wear. My phone
has some damaged pins that mangled the mates too. It has
cradle-charging connections on the side, so I use that now.
I think the fact that for 6 weeks there’s no problem eliminates the >possibility that the phone connector is damaged.
It’s not the electrical pins, it’s the robustness of the physical
retention mechanism.
Thanks,
Dave
Would be interesting to learn how they estimated that reliability.
If you have a machine that properly aligns the connectors when
plugged, maybe.
On 5 Jul 2016, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
The trick is to insert the cable in the phone first, no power, THEN
insert the power supply/charger end.
How does this make it not loose over time?
On 4 Jul 2016, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
I think I pay about $1/ea for cables.
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/141558130661>
The offer at that link is confusing: it first says “Price: US $0.99” and
I presume quantity is 1.
Then when you go to the drop-down menus for quantity, you have the choice of >“X1” and “X2” which changes the price to $3.00 and $5.19
respectively.
Huh?
Anyone know what’s going on there?
On 5 Jul 2016, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Also, you might try disclosing the Samsung phone model number.
Sam Galaxy S3.
Different phones tend to have specific problems. Also, are you doing
anything unusual while charging, such as charging the phone while it's
sitting on a car seat while bouncing down the road or anything that
might cause movement of the connector while charging? An excessively
loose connector will make that worse. You might compare your
retention force with a different phone and micro-USB connector pair.
I use it while charging, sitting on the couch or lying in bed. The >cable/phone does get moved around. But for 6 weeks this isn’t a problem. So
I rule out the phone’s connector as cause. A new cable fixes the issue.
A new cable works wonderfully. For maybe 6 weeks. Then when I use the Samsung >phone while charging... "Beep-boop, beep-boop”, charge indicator on, off,
on, off. Over and over.
On Tue, 05 Jul 2016 03:56:56 -0700, mike <ham789@netzero.net> Gave us:
Would be interesting to learn how they estimated that reliability.
If you have a machine that properly aligns the connectors when
plugged, maybe.
The problem is that when it is already under power, which with most
dopey, lazy humans, it already is, it makes little arcs as it connects
and the microinch of Gold goes away and the carbonized conductor... no >longer does.
While that's some movement while charging, it's probably not enough to
arc over the contacts. Still, if the receptacle is loose, and you're
getting an intermittent connection, it might do some arcing. Any
evidence of an intermittent connection on the battery meter or monitor program?
Hmmmm... Is you charging cable very thin (small diameter)? At 2A,
tinsel and ultra fine wire cables can easily turn into fuses. Any
chance your cable failures are fused wire failures instead of
connector failures?
On Tue, 05 Jul 2016 17:28:28 -0400, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno ><DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> wrote:
On Tue, 05 Jul 2016 03:56:56 -0700, mike <ham789@netzero.net> Gave us:
Would be interesting to learn how they estimated that reliability.
If you have a machine that properly aligns the connectors when
plugged, maybe.
The problem is that when it is already under power, which with most >>dopey, lazy humans, it already is, it makes little arcs as it connects
and the microinch of Gold goes away and the carbonized conductor... no >>longer does.
AlwaysWrong.
On 5 Jul 2016, Jeff Liebermann writ:
While that's some movement while charging, it's probably not enough to
arc over the contacts. Still, if the receptacle is loose, and you're
getting an intermittent connection, it might do some arcing. Any
evidence of an intermittent connection on the battery meter or monitor
program?
Well, that’s the symptom that drives my search for the cause. Suddenly no >charge indicator. Then I move the cable, “beep-boop” the indicator shows >charging. Is this a case of chicken or egg?
Hmmmm... Is you charging cable very thin (small diameter)? At 2A,
tinsel and ultra fine wire cables can easily turn into fuses. Any
chance your cable failures are fused wire failures instead of
connector failures?
Never go for those thin ones. Always fat (5mm?) ones.
A new cable works wonderfully. For maybe 6 weeks. Then when I use the Samsung phone while charging... "Beep-boop, beep-boop”, charge indicator on, off, on, off. Over and over.
Replace cable, all is well.
Rinse, repeat.
Buying a new cable every month is not expensive but also not something one should have to do.
Yes, I've cleaned out the phone's connector of lint and debris.
I've seen instructions re. fixing the cable connector by bending the tension pins (external, bottom-side) but there are several types of tensioning designs; not all are repairable, IME.
Anyone find a long-term fix, or quality cable that avoids this problem altogether?
On 7/4/2016 7:16 PM, DaveC wrote:
A new cable works wonderfully. For maybe 6 weeks. Then when I use the
Samsung
phone while charging... "Beep-boop, beep-boop”, charge indicator on, off, >> on, off. Over and over.
Replace cable, all is well.
Rinse, repeat.
Buying a new cable every month is not expensive but also not something
one
should have to do.
Yes, I've cleaned out the phone's connector of lint and debris.
I've seen instructions re. fixing the cable connector by bending the
tension
pins (external, bottom-side) but there are several types of tensioning
designs; not all are repairable, IME.
Anyone find a long-term fix, or quality cable that avoids this problem
altogether?
The highest quality cables I've found are the Fujitsu cables.
Unfortunately they are quite expensive, $1.80 each if you buy a lot of
10, once you pay shipping.
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/182181176364>
These are pretty large diameter cables because they use AWG 22 wire. The sub-$1 cables use either all AWG 28, or use AWG 28 for D+ and D-, and
AWG 26 for power and ground.
On 7/6/2016 12:16 PM, sms wrote:
On 7/4/2016 7:16 PM, DaveC wrote:Thanks for the link.
A new cable works wonderfully. For maybe 6 weeks. Then when I use the
Samsung
phone while charging... "Beep-boop, beep-boop”, charge indicator on, off, >>> on, off. Over and over.
Replace cable, all is well.
Rinse, repeat.
Buying a new cable every month is not expensive but also not something
one
should have to do.
Yes, I've cleaned out the phone's connector of lint and debris.
I've seen instructions re. fixing the cable connector by bending the
tension
pins (external, bottom-side) but there are several types of tensioning
designs; not all are repairable, IME.
Anyone find a long-term fix, or quality cable that avoids this problem
altogether?
The highest quality cables I've found are the Fujitsu cables.
Unfortunately they are quite expensive, $1.80 each if you buy a lot of
10, once you pay shipping.
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/182181176364>
These are pretty large diameter cables because they use AWG 22 wire. The
sub-$1 cables use either all AWG 28, or use AWG 28 for D+ and D-, and
AWG 26 for power and ground.
The large plastic on the small end may mean that they're less
susceptible to being torqued sideways in the socket.
On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 12:58:41 -0700, mike <ham789@netzero.net> Gave us:
On 7/6/2016 12:16 PM, sms wrote:
On 7/4/2016 7:16 PM, DaveC wrote:Thanks for the link.
A new cable works wonderfully. For maybe 6 weeks. Then when I use the
Samsung
phone while charging... "Beep-boop, beep-boop”, charge indicator on, off, >>>> on, off. Over and over.
Replace cable, all is well.
Rinse, repeat.
Buying a new cable every month is not expensive but also not something >>>> one
should have to do.
Yes, I've cleaned out the phone's connector of lint and debris.
I've seen instructions re. fixing the cable connector by bending the
tension
pins (external, bottom-side) but there are several types of tensioning >>>> designs; not all are repairable, IME.
Anyone find a long-term fix, or quality cable that avoids this problem >>>> altogether?
The highest quality cables I've found are the Fujitsu cables.
Unfortunately they are quite expensive, $1.80 each if you buy a lot of
10, once you pay shipping.
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/182181176364>
These are pretty large diameter cables because they use AWG 22 wire. The >>> sub-$1 cables use either all AWG 28, or use AWG 28 for D+ and D-, and
AWG 26 for power and ground.
The large plastic on the small end may mean that they're less
susceptible to being torqued sideways in the socket.
You guys are silly. Cranking on the cable doesn't damage the 'male' cable, it damages the shroud of the socket you have it in.
On 7/6/2016 1:08 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 12:58:41 -0700, mike <ham789@netzero.net> Gave us:Indeed. It's my contention that the socket is the problem.
On 7/6/2016 12:16 PM, sms wrote:
On 7/4/2016 7:16 PM, DaveC wrote:Thanks for the link.
A new cable works wonderfully. For maybe 6 weeks. Then when I use the >>>>> Samsung
phone while charging... "Beep-boop, beep-boop”, charge indicator
on, off,
on, off. Over and over.
Replace cable, all is well.
Rinse, repeat.
Buying a new cable every month is not expensive but also not something >>>>> one
should have to do.
Yes, I've cleaned out the phone's connector of lint and debris.
I've seen instructions re. fixing the cable connector by bending the >>>>> tension
pins (external, bottom-side) but there are several types of tensioning >>>>> designs; not all are repairable, IME.
Anyone find a long-term fix, or quality cable that avoids this problem >>>>> altogether?
The highest quality cables I've found are the Fujitsu cables.
Unfortunately they are quite expensive, $1.80 each if you buy a lot of >>>> 10, once you pay shipping.
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/182181176364>
These are pretty large diameter cables because they use AWG 22 wire.
The
sub-$1 cables use either all AWG 28, or use AWG 28 for D+ and D-, and
AWG 26 for power and ground.
The large plastic on the small end may mean that they're less
susceptible to being torqued sideways in the socket.
You guys are silly. Cranking on the cable doesn't damage the 'male'
cable, it damages the shroud of the socket you have it in.
Cable plug is easily replaced. Bent/distorted/mangled socket is not.
On Tue, 05 Jul 2016 21:39:27 -0400, krw@attt.bizz Gave us:
On Tue, 05 Jul 2016 17:28:28 -0400, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno >><DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> wrote:
On Tue, 05 Jul 2016 03:56:56 -0700, mike <ham789@netzero.net> Gave us:
Would be interesting to learn how they estimated that reliability.
If you have a machine that properly aligns the connectors when
plugged, maybe.
The problem is that when it is already under power, which with most >>>dopey, lazy humans, it already is, it makes little arcs as it connects >>>and the microinch of Gold goes away and the carbonized conductor... no >>>longer does.
AlwaysWrong.
You're a goddamned idiot kiethkeithstain. You are a stain on society.
And that stench! Go away, old fucktard.
Might as well run a stiff
non-conductive brush through the receptacle while you're at it. Pocket
lint tends to be the same dark color as the connector insulation and
is difficult to see. I've seen phones that I swear looked clean when
I looked inside with a magnifier, yet had an accumulation of lint at
the bottom of the connector which was preventing the connector from
seating properly.
Here's a YouTube video showing the pocket lint in the connector
problem and cleaning procedure:
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6p0Eg-yq3A>
Yeah, it's a bit of a muddle. You have 4 selections to make. Color,
Qty 1x or 2x, Model, and Quantity.
If you pick (for example) white, 1x qty, and for your Samsung Galaxy
S3, and one item, the price is $3.99 for one cable which is a bit
high. If you pick Quantity (4th choice) at 10 pcs, you get a straight multiplication without discount of $39.90 for 10 cables, also high.
However, if you pick the 10 color assortment, the total price is
$16.99 or less than half price.
Not very clever because there's no way to get a discount price for 10
cables of a single color. Just play with it and keep track of the
total price. Or, find another vendor.
I prefer flat cables, but the same vendor offers a round braided
cabled:
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/141408686649>
and in different lengths. If you don't like braided cables, there are thinner cables available:
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/201498237735>
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/331385416604>
Look around and you'll find them in flat cable, round cable, with LED
lights, glow in the dark cable, coiled cords, etc. Whatever you buy,
get an assortment. Also, buy a different charger, which I think is
causing the problem.
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