• Cheap Chinese rubbish

    From Jim Stewart ...@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sat Jan 2 17:08:34 2021
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop, alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y

    On 02/01/2021 16:55, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    An LED striplight.  After 1 month, BANG!  A puff of smoke and a hole
    blown in the side of it.  What I think used to be an inductor has
    exploded with enough force to rupture the casing.  Funny thing is, it continued to work for a day, and now works if I tap it.

    https://i.imgur.com/U1AxIet.jpg
    Chyyyyna...squandering the worlds resources.....

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Jim Stewart ... on Sat Jan 2 17:13:12 2021
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop, alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y

    On Sat, 02 Jan 2021 17:08:34 -0000, Jim Stewart ... <jim.gm4dhj@ntlworld.com> wrote:

    On 02/01/2021 16:55, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    An LED striplight. After 1 month, BANG! A puff of smoke and a hole
    blown in the side of it. What I think used to be an inductor has
    exploded with enough force to rupture the casing. Funny thing is, it
    continued to work for a day, and now works if I tap it.

    https://i.imgur.com/U1AxIet.jpg
    Chyyyyna...squandering the worlds resources.....

    What makes you say they're doing that?

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 2 16:55:30 2021
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop, alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y

    An LED striplight. After 1 month, BANG! A puff of smoke and a hole blown in the side of it. What I think used to be an inductor has exploded with enough force to rupture the casing. Funny thing is, it continued to work for a day, and now works if I
    tap it.

    https://i.imgur.com/U1AxIet.jpg

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to jim.gm4dhj@ntlworld.com on Sat Jan 2 17:32:20 2021
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop, alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y

    On Sat, 02 Jan 2021 17:24:37 -0000, Jim GM4DHJ ... <jim.gm4dhj@ntlworld.com> wrote:

    On 02/01/2021 17:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 02 Jan 2021 17:08:34 -0000, Jim Stewart ...
    <jim.gm4dhj@ntlworld.com> wrote:

    On 02/01/2021 16:55, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    An LED striplight. After 1 month, BANG! A puff of smoke and a hole
    blown in the side of it. What I think used to be an inductor has
    exploded with enough force to rupture the casing. Funny thing is, it
    continued to work for a day, and now works if I tap it.

    https://i.imgur.com/U1AxIet.jpg
    Chyyyyna...squandering the worlds resources.....

    What makes you say they're doing that?
    I have never thrown away so much chinese junk....never did that with jap stuff....

    But you can recycle it. And they use less materials to make it.

    Sometimes it's ok, sometimes it isn't.
    Their battery chargers work but may need sellotaping together.
    Their LED lights usually work but can give you an electric shock or explode. Their cameras are 10 times lower resolution than advertised, but you moan and get them free.
    Their Li Ion batteries are 8 times less capacity than advertised, but you moan and get them free.
    Their meat infects the entire world with a deadly virus.

    I do take great delight in seeing how many of their Ebay accounts I can have deleted. So much of my purchase history says "no longer a registered user".

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  • From Jim GM4DHJ ...@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sat Jan 2 17:24:37 2021
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop, alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y

    On 02/01/2021 17:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 02 Jan 2021 17:08:34 -0000, Jim Stewart ...
    <jim.gm4dhj@ntlworld.com> wrote:

    On 02/01/2021 16:55, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    An LED striplight.  After 1 month, BANG!  A puff of smoke and a hole
    blown in the side of it.  What I think used to be an inductor has
    exploded with enough force to rupture the casing.  Funny thing is, it
    continued to work for a day, and now works if I tap it.

    https://i.imgur.com/U1AxIet.jpg
    Chyyyyna...squandering the worlds resources.....

    What makes you say they're doing that?
    I have never thrown away so much chinese junk....never did that with jap stuff....

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  • From Fred@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sun Jan 3 04:31:12 2021
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop, alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y

    "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message news:op.0wlqmsy9wdg98l@ryzen.lan...
    An LED striplight. After 1 month, BANG! A puff of smoke and a hole blown
    in the side of it. What I think used to be an inductor has exploded with enough force to rupture the casing. Funny thing is, it continued to work
    for a day, and now works if I tap it.

    Inductors don't usually explode.

    https://i.imgur.com/U1AxIet.jpg

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sat Jan 2 11:57:14 2021
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop, alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y

    On 01/02/2021 10:32 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    Their Li Ion batteries are 8 times less capacity than advertised, but
    you moan and get them free.

    In a thread in another group Baofeng radios came up for discussion.
    There was one listed on eBay with a miraculous 18W output and a 8000 mAh battery. People on the ham forums were of the opinion a small, handheld transceiver might put out 18W of RF power for a few seconds before the
    melting plastic became annoying.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 2 11:51:52 2021
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop, alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y

    On 01/02/2021 10:24 AM, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
    On 02/01/2021 17:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 02 Jan 2021 17:08:34 -0000, Jim Stewart ...
    <jim.gm4dhj@ntlworld.com> wrote:

    On 02/01/2021 16:55, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    An LED striplight. After 1 month, BANG! A puff of smoke and a hole
    blown in the side of it. What I think used to be an inductor has
    exploded with enough force to rupture the casing. Funny thing is, it
    continued to work for a day, and now works if I tap it.

    https://i.imgur.com/U1AxIet.jpg
    Chyyyyna...squandering the worlds resources.....

    What makes you say they're doing that?
    I have never thrown away so much chinese junk....never did that with jap stuff....

    Didn't grow up in the '50s, did you? The Chinese can and do make high
    quality products as well as cheap junk.

    What puzzles me is a lot of the cheap junk requires almost as much work
    as the good stuff. I ordered some Photon micro lights from Amazon and
    got some ripoffs in the mix. Amazon refunded the cost of the ripoffs but
    they almost looked like genuine Photons, almost being the key word. The
    LED color was off and the screw looked like they'd been crafted by a
    squirrel but they were so close...

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  • From Ed Pawlowski@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 2 13:35:50 2021
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop, alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y

    On 1/2/2021 12:24 PM, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
    On 02/01/2021 17:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 02 Jan 2021 17:08:34 -0000, Jim Stewart ...
    <jim.gm4dhj@ntlworld.com> wrote:

    On 02/01/2021 16:55, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    An LED striplight.  After 1 month, BANG!  A puff of smoke and a hole
    blown in the side of it.  What I think used to be an inductor has
    exploded with enough force to rupture the casing.  Funny thing is, it
    continued to work for a day, and now works if I tap it.

    https://i.imgur.com/U1AxIet.jpg
    Chyyyyna...squandering the worlds resources.....

    What makes you say they're doing that?
    I have never thrown away so much chinese junk....never did that with jap stuff....

    Much of it made to the specifications of an engineer or designer from
    the US importer. Ask for junk, get junk.

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  • From Ralph Mowery@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 2 14:16:17 2021
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop, alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y

    In article <i5btldF83c3U1@mid.individual.net>, bowman@montana.com
    says...
    What makes you say they're doing that?
    I have never thrown away so much chinese junk....never did that with jap stuff....

    Didn't grow up in the '50s, did you? The Chinese can and do make high
    quality products as well as cheap junk.



    I think Japan started putting out quality products to ship to the US
    when they ran out of all the American beer cans the GIs left over there
    from WW-2.

    China has a problem in that we are still sending them our junk.

    Some China equipment is very good and lots of it junk. Much of the
    solid state componens are junk. They seem to be remarked or repackaged
    to resemble something else.

    Being into ham radio I have some China equipment. Some of it is very
    good at a good price, some of it lasts aa few months and quits, some of
    it works but maybe not all that great.
    You just have to read the reviews and take your chances.

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  • From Witherspoon@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sat Jan 2 15:38:08 2021
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop, alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y

    On 1/2/21 11:55 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    An LED striplight.  After 1 month, BANG!  A puff of smoke and a hole
    blown in the side of it.  What I think used to be an inductor has
    exploded with enough force to rupture the casing.  Funny thing is, it continued to work for a day, and now works if I tap it.

    https://i.imgur.com/U1AxIet.jpg

    I no longer trust anything Chinese that has to have power running
    through it. I ordered six so-called "20 amp" 12-24 VDC LED dimmers a
    month ago. Out of the two I tried, one burned up within minutes at only
    5 amps at 12VDC, and the other burned after several days running the
    same. The latter actually went without warning, but at least the first
    one was running hot so I actually didn't leave the area for fear it was
    going to burn. Good thing I have a strong fan to evacuate the fumes,
    which would surely be toxic in short order!

    None of this Chinese crap is UL listed and thus just about anything can happen. The ONLY thing I might take a chance on are older ATX power
    supplies. At least those have a listing and, although still not UL, it
    is better than nothing plus US PC manufacturers don't want to be sued
    for their computer burning down a house.

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  • From Phil Allison@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sat Jan 2 14:28:05 2021
    Commander Kinsey wrote:
    =========================
    An LED striplight. After 1 month, BANG! A puff of smoke and a hole blown in the side of it. What I think used to be an inductor has exploded with enough force to rupture the casing. Funny thing is, it continued to work for a day, and now works if I tap
    it.

    https://i.imgur.com/U1AxIet.jpg

    ** That brown goop all over the place has gone bad.

    Light yellow when new, it slowly goes brown with heat and turns a conductive.

    Can easily cause explosions just like you have.

    You can Google the topic.


    .... Phil

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Ralph Mowery on Sat Jan 2 19:14:22 2021
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop, alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y

    On 01/02/2021 12:16 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
    Being into ham radio I have some China equipment. Some of it is very
    good at a good price, some of it lasts aa few months and quits, some of
    it works but maybe not all that great.
    You just have to read the reviews and take your chances.

    I should buy a Baofeng to play with. If nothing else I could liberate
    the RDA1846 and drive it with an Arduino. For serious work I'll stick
    with my Yaesu FT-60.

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  • From Ralph Mowery@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 2 23:17:34 2021
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop, alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y

    In article <i5cnj4Fcqt7U1@mid.individual.net>, bowman@montana.com
    says...

    I should buy a Baofeng to play with. If nothing else I could liberate
    the RDA1846 and drive it with an Arduino. For serious work I'll stick
    with my Yaesu FT-60.



    I have 2 of the Baofengs. One is a dual band and the other is a 3 band
    with the 220 mhz band on it. They work fine for what I use them for.
    Mainly just to go to hamfest with several others and keep in touch or
    carry it to my repeater to give it a final test before leaving.

    For my use the only thing I complain about is the display that resembles
    a S meter. It is either full scale or not at all.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Ralph Mowery on Sat Jan 2 21:47:05 2021
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop, alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y

    On 01/02/2021 09:17 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
    I have 2 of the Baofengs. One is a dual band and the other is a 3 band
    with the 220 mhz band on it. They work fine for what I use them for.
    Mainly just to go to hamfest with several others and keep in touch or
    carry it to my repeater to give it a final test before leaving.

    Anything on 220 where you are? I sort of forget that even exists.

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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to Fred on Sun Jan 3 10:13:46 2021
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop, alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y

    Yes I suspect a capacitor was at fault here, Inductors tend to smell short
    out and die quite silently.

    I often wonder if these new lamps with inbuilt electronics are ever tested
    on real life mains voltages, as you do get large spikes up to 1000v at times
    on the mains.
    Brian

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    "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message news:op.0wlqmsy9wdg98l@ryzen.lan...
    An LED striplight. After 1 month, BANG! A puff of smoke and a hole
    blown in the side of it. What I think used to be an inductor has
    exploded with enough force to rupture the casing. Funny thing is, it
    continued to work for a day, and now works if I tap it.

    Inductors don't usually explode.

    https://i.imgur.com/U1AxIet.jpg


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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sun Jan 3 10:22:01 2021
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop, alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y

    This is not a new thing though is it? Back in the days of the USSR we used
    to get a lot of stuff like cassette machines and radios and even black and whit tvs from Soviet bloc countries. Some were OK, but a little fragile but one I remember made by a company in the Czech area called Tesla had a
    great design and a great sound as a recorder player that ran form the mains. The sad part was that it seemed to have been manufactured by idiots in that
    all the riveted bits were loose, the flywheel was not on straight and the
    motor and induction type, was doubling as the mains transformer and
    basically over a three month period it gradually fell to bits chewed tape
    and finally the brackets that held the piano keys fell of completely.

    Like most things, a lot of things are designed well but cheap manufacture
    and lack of quality control and corner cutting on components ruin them.
    Brian

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    "Witherspoon" <ws194@aol.com> wrote in message news:rsqljh$pft$1@dont-email.me...
    On 1/2/21 11:55 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    An LED striplight. After 1 month, BANG! A puff of smoke and a hole blown
    in the side of it. What I think used to be an inductor has exploded with enough force to rupture the casing. Funny thing is, it continued to work
    for a day, and now works if I tap it.

    https://i.imgur.com/U1AxIet.jpg

    I no longer trust anything Chinese that has to have power running
    through it. I ordered six so-called "20 amp" 12-24 VDC LED dimmers a
    month ago. Out of the two I tried, one burned up within minutes at only
    5 amps at 12VDC, and the other burned after several days running the
    same. The latter actually went without warning, but at least the first
    one was running hot so I actually didn't leave the area for fear it was
    going to burn. Good thing I have a strong fan to evacuate the fumes,
    which would surely be toxic in short order!

    None of this Chinese crap is UL listed and thus just about anything can
    happen. The ONLY thing I might take a chance on are older ATX power
    supplies. At least those have a listing and, although still not UL, it
    is better than nothing plus US PC manufacturers don't want to be sued
    for their computer burning down a house.

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  • From Peeler@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 3 13:28:28 2021
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop, alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y

    On Sat, 2 Jan 2021 17:24:37 +0000, Dim GM4DHJ ... the brain dead, troll-feeding, senile idiot, blathered again:


    I have never thrown away so much chinese junk....never did that with jap stuff....

    You seem to be addicted to junk, troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE!

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  • From Peeler@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 3 13:31:05 2021
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop, alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y

    On Sat, 2 Jan 2021 11:51:52 -0700, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling, troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


    Didn't grow up in the '50s, did you? The Chinese can and do make high
    quality products as well as cheap junk.

    What puzzles me is a lot of the cheap junk requires almost as much work
    as the good stuff.

    You'd better worry about all the junk you senile twits keep producing on
    these groups on a daily basis, lowbrowwoman!

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  • From Peeler@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 3 13:34:25 2021
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop, alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y

    On Sat, 2 Jan 2021 21:47:05 -0700, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling, troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


    Anything on 220 where you are? I sort of forget that even exists.

    You mean blathering on Usenet is not yet ENOUGH for you, senile gossip? LOL

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  • From Peeler@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 3 13:29:33 2021
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop, alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y

    On Sat, 2 Jan 2021 11:57:14 -0700, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling, troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


    In a thread in another group Baofeng radios came up for discussion.

    Doing again what you can do best: sucking of the unwashed Scottish wanker,
    you disgusting senile sucker of troll cock?

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  • From Peeler@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 3 13:33:26 2021
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop, alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y

    On Sat, 2 Jan 2021 19:14:22 -0700, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling, troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


    I should buy a Baofeng to play with.

    Nope, blabbermouth, you should just STFU ...for good!

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  • From Ralph Mowery@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 3 10:04:01 2021
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop, alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y

    In article <i5d0hfFect4U1@mid.individual.net>, bowman@montana.com
    says...

    On 01/02/2021 09:17 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
    I have 2 of the Baofengs. One is a dual band and the other is a 3 band with the 220 mhz band on it. They work fine for what I use them for. Mainly just to go to hamfest with several others and keep in touch or
    carry it to my repeater to give it a final test before leaving.

    Anything on 220 where you are? I sort of forget that even exists.



    I live near the middle of NC. I have a low power 220 repeater on the
    air. An old VHF Engineering repeater that is around 30 years old if not
    older.

    There are a few others around. They are not in HT range,but I can use
    them with the transceiver in the house and a dipole about 20 feet off
    the ground.

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  • From RheillyPhoull@21:1/5 to Peeler on Mon Jan 4 08:00:07 2021
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop, alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y

    On 3/01/2021 8:28 pm, Peeler wrote:
    On Sat, 2 Jan 2021 17:08:34 +0000, Dim Stewart ... another brain damaged, troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE, blathered again:


    Chyyyyna...squandering the worlds resources.....

    TYPICAL senile ASSHOLE ...feeding the dumbest crazy troll around! <tsk>

    How nice to see you two are still getting along.

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  • From Phil Allison@21:1/5 to Witherspoon on Sun Jan 3 16:23:41 2021
    Witherspoon wrote:



    I no longer trust anything Chinese that has to have power running
    through it. I ordered six so-called "20 amp" 12-24 VDC LED dimmers a
    month ago. Out of the two I tried, one burned up within minutes at only
    5 amps at 12VDC, and the other burned after several days running the
    same.

    ** What voltage did you have going into the dimmer??

    It should be the SAME as the rated voltage the LED lamps.



    ..... Phil

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  • From Peeler@21:1/5 to RheillyPhoull on Mon Jan 4 10:40:30 2021
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop, alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y

    On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 08:00:07 +0800, RheillyPhoull wrote:


    TYPICAL senile ASSHOLE ...feeding the dumbest crazy troll around! <tsk>

    How nice to see you two are still getting along.

    You Australian smartasses really are "special". <BG>

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to briang1@blueyonder.co.uk on Mon Jan 4 18:41:49 2021
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop, alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y

    The Russian FED 4 camera was extremely robust, even after me, and my dad before me, dropped it many many times on rocks.


    On Sun, 03 Jan 2021 10:22:01 -0000, Brian Gaff (Sofa) <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    This is not a new thing though is it? Back in the days of the USSR we used
    to get a lot of stuff like cassette machines and radios and even black and whit tvs from Soviet bloc countries. Some were OK, but a little fragile but one I remember made by a company in the Czech area called Tesla had a
    great design and a great sound as a recorder player that ran form the mains. The sad part was that it seemed to have been manufactured by idiots in that all the riveted bits were loose, the flywheel was not on straight and the motor and induction type, was doubling as the mains transformer and
    basically over a three month period it gradually fell to bits chewed tape and finally the brackets that held the piano keys fell of completely.

    Like most things, a lot of things are designed well but cheap manufacture
    and lack of quality control and corner cutting on components ruin them.
    Brian

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  • From RheillyPhoull@21:1/5 to Peeler on Tue Jan 5 08:21:37 2021
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop, alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y

    On 4/01/2021 5:40 pm, Peeler wrote:
    On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 08:00:07 +0800, RheillyPhoull wrote:


    TYPICAL senile ASSHOLE ...feeding the dumbest crazy troll around! <tsk>

    How nice to see you two are still getting along.

    You Australian smartasses really are "special". <BG>

    Oh Peeler I think you are gorgeous when grumpy

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Mon Jan 4 19:32:41 2021
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop, alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y

    On 01/04/2021 11:41 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    The Russian FED 4 camera was extremely robust, even after me, and my dad before me, dropped it many many times on rocks.

    Russians make robust items even if they're not the latest technology. Kalashnikovs, for example.

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  • From Peeler@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 5 10:20:47 2021
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop, alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y

    On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 19:32:41 -0700, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling, troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


    Russians make robust items even if they're not the latest technology. Kalashnikovs, for example.

    Let's just hope that at least THEY don't produce robust endlessly blabbering bigmouths of your kind, you endlessly bullshitting and gossiping senile Yankietard!

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  • From Peeler@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 5 10:16:23 2021
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop, alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y

    On Tue, 5 Jan 2021 08:21:37 +0800, RheillyPhoull, another typical senile Australian twit, blathered:

    You Australian smartasses really are "special". <BG>

    Oh Peeler I think you are gorgeous when grumpy

    Idiot!

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  • From Roger Hayter@21:1/5 to Peeler on Tue Jan 5 11:46:40 2021
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop, alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y

    On 5 Jan 2021 at 09:16:23 GMT, "Peeler" <trolltrap@valid.invalid> wrote:

    On Tue, 5 Jan 2021 08:21:37 +0800, RheillyPhoull, another typical senile Australian twit, blathered:

    You Australian smartasses really are "special". <BG>

    Oh Peeler I think you are gorgeous when grumpy

    Idiot!

    There's a lot of it about.

    --
    Roger Hayter

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  • From Peeler@21:1/5 to Roger Hayter on Tue Jan 5 14:23:35 2021
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop, alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y

    On 5 Jan 2021 11:46:40 GMT, Roger Hayter wrote:


    You Australian smartasses really are "special". <BG>

    Oh Peeler I think you are gorgeous when grumpy

    Idiot!

    There's a lot of it about.

    That's obviously why YOU feel at home here! <BG>

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to rbowman on Tue Jan 5 19:16:07 2021
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop, alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y

    On Tue, 05 Jan 2021 02:32:41 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

    On 01/04/2021 11:41 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    The Russian FED 4 camera was extremely robust, even after me, and my dad
    before me, dropped it many many times on rocks.

    Russians make robust items even if they're not the latest technology. Kalashnikovs, for example.

    I think you could destroy another car if you crashed a Lada into it. All this crumple zone namby pamby shit they put into cars nowadays, it just makes the repair bill higher.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Tue Jan 5 19:49:29 2021
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop, alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y

    On 01/05/2021 12:16 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 05 Jan 2021 02:32:41 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

    On 01/04/2021 11:41 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    The Russian FED 4 camera was extremely robust, even after me, and my dad >>> before me, dropped it many many times on rocks.

    Russians make robust items even if they're not the latest technology.
    Kalashnikovs, for example.

    I think you could destroy another car if you crashed a Lada into it.
    All this crumple zone namby pamby shit they put into cars nowadays, it
    just makes the repair bill higher.

    Shitty mileage but a BTR-80 would make a great RV.

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  • From Peeler@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 6 10:24:58 2021
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop, alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y

    On Tue, 5 Jan 2021 19:49:29 -0700, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling, troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


    Shitty mileage but a BTR-80 would make a great RV.

    Are you at it again, you trollcock-sucking senile piece of Yankie shit?

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Phil Allison on Wed Jan 6 18:15:09 2021
    On Sat, 02 Jan 2021 22:28:05 -0000, Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

    Commander Kinsey wrote:
    =========================
    An LED striplight. After 1 month, BANG! A puff of smoke and a hole blown in the side of it. What I think used to be an inductor has exploded with enough force to rupture the casing. Funny thing is, it continued to work for a day, and now works if I
    tap it.

    https://i.imgur.com/U1AxIet.jpg

    ** That brown goop all over the place has gone bad.

    Light yellow when new, it slowly goes brown with heat and turns a conductive.

    Can easily cause explosions just like you have.

    You can Google the topic.


    .... Phil

    I guess they've never heard of warranties. They are refusing to replace it. Right....

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to rbowman on Wed Jan 6 18:01:25 2021
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop, alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y

    On Wed, 06 Jan 2021 02:49:29 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

    On 01/05/2021 12:16 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 05 Jan 2021 02:32:41 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

    On 01/04/2021 11:41 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    The Russian FED 4 camera was extremely robust, even after me, and my dad >>>> before me, dropped it many many times on rocks.

    Russians make robust items even if they're not the latest technology.
    Kalashnikovs, for example.

    I think you could destroy another car if you crashed a Lada into it.
    All this crumple zone namby pamby shit they put into cars nowadays, it
    just makes the repair bill higher.

    Shitty mileage but a BTR-80 would make a great RV.

    Indeed, you don't need to find a road to where you're camping. You make the road. Then Americans would finally be correct when they said "make a right".

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  • From Phil Allison@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Wed Jan 6 11:42:50 2021
    Commander Kinsey wrote:
    =======================

    https://i.imgur.com/U1AxIet.jpg

    ** That brown goop all over the place has gone bad.

    Light yellow when new, it slowly goes brown with heat and turns a conductive.

    Can easily cause explosions just like you have.

    You can Google the topic.


    I guess they've never heard of warranties. They are refusing to replace it. Right....


    ** There is no consumer warranty on items YOU import from China.

    Importers, businesses or individuals, take all risks onto themselves and are responsible for any harm too.

    People reselling unsafe Chinese electrical items have got in big trouble here in Australia.


    ...... Phil

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to rbowman on Fri Jan 8 18:56:48 2021
    XPost: alt.computer.workshop, alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y

    On Sat, 02 Jan 2021 18:57:14 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

    On 01/02/2021 10:32 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    Their Li Ion batteries are 8 times less capacity than advertised, but
    you moan and get them free.

    In a thread in another group Baofeng radios came up for discussion.
    There was one listed on eBay with a miraculous 18W output and a 8000 mAh battery. People on the ham forums were of the opinion a small, handheld transceiver might put out 18W of RF power for a few seconds



    before the melting plastic became annoying

    This just made me snort my lemonade through my nose.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Phil Allison on Fri Jan 8 18:53:57 2021
    On Wed, 06 Jan 2021 19:42:50 -0000, Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

    Commander Kinsey wrote:
    =======================

    https://i.imgur.com/U1AxIet.jpg

    ** That brown goop all over the place has gone bad.

    Light yellow when new, it slowly goes brown with heat and turns a conductive.

    Can easily cause explosions just like you have.

    You can Google the topic.

    I guess they've never heard of warranties. They are refusing to replace it. Right....

    ** There is no consumer warranty on items YOU import from China.

    I didn't import it. They exported it.

    I would say I'd imported something if I arranged for it to get here, eg. going to America, buying a car, then shipping it back.

    Importers, businesses or individuals, take all risks onto themselves and are responsible for any harm too.

    China has it's own selling regulations they have to adhere to. And credit card chargebacks work on foreign stuff too. At the very least I shall ensure he gets a black mark on his ebay account.

    People reselling unsafe Chinese electrical items have got in big trouble here in Australia.

    They shouldn't have done, they didn't manufacture them. At the most they should have had to refund, then take it up with the Chinese seller.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Phil Allison on Fri Jan 8 19:32:30 2021
    On Wed, 06 Jan 2021 19:42:50 -0000, Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

    Commander Kinsey wrote:
    =======================

    https://i.imgur.com/U1AxIet.jpg

    ** That brown goop all over the place has gone bad.

    Light yellow when new, it slowly goes brown with heat and turns a conductive.

    Can easily cause explosions just like you have.

    You can Google the topic.

    I guess they've never heard of warranties. They are refusing to replace it. Right....

    ** There is no consumer warranty on items YOU import from China.

    Actually, they shipped from the UK, and advertised it as a UK item. Just because the owner of the company lives in China doesn't make a difference. This was a UK to UK sale.

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  • From Phil Allison@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Fri Jan 8 15:43:51 2021
    Commander Kinsey wrote:
    ======================
    I guess they've never heard of warranties. They are refusing to replace it. Right....

    ** There is no consumer warranty on items YOU import from China.
    Actually, they shipped from the UK, and advertised it as a UK item. Just because the owner of the company lives in China doesn't make a difference. This was a UK to UK sale.


    ** So you can find the seller- right ?

    The UK has strong consumer laws - why not use them ?


    .... Phil

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Phil Allison on Sat Jan 9 19:05:27 2021
    On Fri, 08 Jan 2021 23:43:51 -0000, Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

    Commander Kinsey wrote:
    ======================
    I guess they've never heard of warranties. They are refusing to replace it. Right....

    ** There is no consumer warranty on items YOU import from China.
    Actually, they shipped from the UK, and advertised it as a UK item. Just because the owner of the company lives in China doesn't make a difference. This was a UK to UK sale.

    ** So you can find the seller- right ?

    Ebay has his registered address, and it's visible to me.

    The UK has strong consumer laws - why not use them ?

    For £3.25? Not worth my bother taking someone to court over.

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  • From Phil Allison@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sat Jan 9 13:45:46 2021
    Commander Kinsey wrote:
    ========================

    ** So you can find the seller- right ?
    Ebay has his registered address, and it's visible to me.
    The UK has strong consumer laws - why not use them ?
    For £3.25? Not worth my bother taking someone to court over.

    ** Have you left negative feedback yet ?



    .... Phil

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Phil Allison on Sun Jan 10 18:11:36 2021
    On Sat, 09 Jan 2021 21:45:46 -0000, Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

    Commander Kinsey wrote:
    ========================

    ** So you can find the seller- right ?
    Ebay has his registered address, and it's visible to me.
    The UK has strong consumer laws - why not use them ?
    For £3.25? Not worth my bother taking someone to court over.

    ** Have you left negative feedback yet ?

    You can't leave feedback if it's over a couple of months, which is why the feedback system sux. It doesn't take account of things breaking later on.

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  • From Ralph Mowery@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 10 13:27:30 2021
    In article <op.0w0nhmufwdg98l@ryzen.lan>, CFKinsey@military.org.jp
    says...

    ** So you can find the seller- right ?
    Ebay has his registered address, and it's visible to me.
    The UK has strong consumer laws - why not use them ?
    For £3.25? Not worth my bother taking someone to court over.

    ** Have you left negative feedback yet ?

    You can't leave feedback if it's over a couple of months, which is why the feedback system sux. It doesn't take account of things breaking later on.



    I look on the feed back as to the seller. If they ship an item out in a
    few days, the item is as described, and it is packed well enough not to
    break in transit I give them good feed back. That is even if what I
    bought is junk.

    Say the dealer ships out an item and it is well packed and is bought as
    new. The item arives in a short period of time and in good shape.
    I then take the item out and after a day or two it falls apart. The
    same item would have done it if I bought it at a local store. The
    dealer still gets a 5 star rating. There is often a place to evaluate
    the product and that is where I would rated the product as bad.

    I have only give one or two dealers a bad feed back. One was when it
    was not shipped for over 2 weeks after the exected delivery date. I
    sent the seller a note about it. He sent it out two days later. It was
    a radio with tubes in it. The box only had a few pages of news paper
    and some crumbled up Christmas paper in it. Several of the tubes were
    broken. I had to give very bad feed back because of that packing and
    long delay.

    I bought a used computer that was listed as refurbished. It looked
    good,but would not boot up. I put in a hard drive I had and it booted
    up. I tried to reinstall the operating system but it would not take.
    Sent the seller an email and he sent me a new hard drive as we
    discussed. I gave him a 5 star rating as he made the purchase right.
    Things electronic can go bad at any time or get bashed around in the
    shipping that is beyond the sellers control.

    I have bought items from 2 seperate dealers and never received the
    items. They were in the $ 20 range. Ebay refunded my money in 2 days
    as neither had included a tracking number.

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  • From Peeler@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 13 16:49:31 2021
    XPost: uk.d-i-y, alt.home.repair, alt.usage.english

    On Thu, 13 May 2021 14:37:57 +0100, Andy Bennet, another mentally deficient troll-feeding senile asshole, blathered:

    On 12/05/2021 14:30, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    What's the word for connecting something live and causing the connection
    to make and break several times rapidly, possibly damaging the equipment?


    arc de triumph

    arse de triumph would make a good nym for you, troll-feeding senile
    arsehole!

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  • From Peeler@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 13 16:44:18 2021
    XPost: uk.d-i-y, alt.home.repair, alt.usage.english

    On Thu, 13 May 2021 11:34:11 +0100, N_Cook, another mentally handicappe, troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE, babbled:



    If a large inductive load :- fireworks , ball-lightning perhaps

    The trolling Scottish wanker thanks you nicely for feeding him again, and he will jerk off later also to YOUR "reply", troll-feeding senile asshole! <BG>

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  • From Michael Terrell@21:1/5 to Ralph Mowery on Thu May 27 17:57:31 2021
    On Saturday, January 2, 2021 at 2:16:28 PM UTC-5, Ralph Mowery wrote:
    In article <i5btld...@mid.individual.net>, bow...@montana.com
    says...
    What makes you say they're doing that?
    I have never thrown away so much chinese junk....never did that with jap stuff....

    Didn't grow up in the '50s, did you? The Chinese can and do make high quality products as well as cheap junk.


    I think Japan started putting out quality products to ship to the US
    when they ran out of all the American beer cans the GIs left over there
    from WW-2.

    I thought that the aluminum can was introduced in the late '50s? (1858?) During WW-II they were made of steel. I rember Pepsi in steel cans in the early '60s.

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  • From Phil Allison@21:1/5 to Ralph Mowery on Thu May 27 20:13:58 2021
    Ralph Mowery wrote:
    =================

    Didn't grow up in the '50s, did you? The Chinese can and do make high quality products as well as cheap junk.

    I think Japan started putting out quality products to ship to the US
    when they ran out of all the American beer cans the GIs left over there
    from WW-2.


    ** There were no beer drinking GIs in Japan during WW2.

    Only starving prisoners ( mostly airman) who were treated abominably.
    Some were subjected to horrific operations with no anesthetics - just for fun.

    After the surrender, US occupying forces were ordered to treat Japanese well and never eat their scarce food.
    Local officials, like town mayors, were reinstated and treated with respect.

    Losing the war to US and their British and Australian allies was the best thing that ever happened to Japan.




    ..... Phil

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Michael Terrell on Fri May 28 18:52:23 2021
    On Fri, 28 May 2021 01:57:31 +0100, Michael Terrell <terrell.michael.a@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, January 2, 2021 at 2:16:28 PM UTC-5, Ralph Mowery wrote:
    In article <i5btld...@mid.individual.net>, bow...@montana.com
    says...
    What makes you say they're doing that?
    I have never thrown away so much chinese junk....never did that with jap >> > > stuff....

    Didn't grow up in the '50s, did you? The Chinese can and do make high
    quality products as well as cheap junk.


    I think Japan started putting out quality products to ship to the US
    when they ran out of all the American beer cans the GIs left over there
    from WW-2.

    I thought that the aluminum can was introduced in the late '50s? (1858?) During WW-II they were made of steel. I rember Pepsi in steel cans in the early '60s.

    They're still made of either aren't they?

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  • From Michael Terrell@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sun May 30 09:45:11 2021
    On Friday, May 28, 2021 at 1:52:29 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 28 May 2021 01:57:31 +0100, Michael Terrell wrote:

    I thought that the aluminum can was introduced in the late '50s? (1958?) During WW-II they were made of steel. I remember Pepsi in steel cans in the early '60s.
    They're still made of either aren't they?

    When was the last time that you saw a new, steel beer can?

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Michael Terrell on Sun May 30 18:01:50 2021
    On Sun, 30 May 2021 17:45:11 +0100, Michael Terrell <terrell.michael.a@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, May 28, 2021 at 1:52:29 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 28 May 2021 01:57:31 +0100, Michael Terrell wrote:

    I thought that the aluminum can was introduced in the late '50s? (1958?) During WW-II they were made of steel. I remember Pepsi in steel cans in the early '60s.
    They're still made of either aren't they?

    When was the last time that you saw a new, steel beer can?

    No idea, I brew my own. And the only commercial beer I've seen is in glass bottles or on draught.

    Just checked my kitchen cupboard, tins of fruit, carrots, soup, and spaghetti, all steel. I'm guessing it's because aluminium is poisonous, one of the reasons I have a steel scuba tank.

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  • From Ralph Mowery@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 30 13:26:04 2021
    In article <op.037tlc0amvhs6z@ryzen.lan>, CK1@nospam.com says...

    Just checked my kitchen cupboard, tins of fruit, carrots, soup, and spaghetti, all steel. I'm guessing it's because aluminium is poisonous, one of the reasons I have a steel scuba tank.



    My thinking is that steel is less expensive than aluminum. I also
    think that some things may attack the aluminum and steel differently.

    One thing you will notice is there are very few beer or any other
    carbonated drinks outside of the soft drinks that are in the plastic containers. Reason it that the plastic is the crbonation will penetrate
    the containers and the beer will go 'flat'. Look at all the soft drink
    2 and 3 liter bottles on the store shelvs and you will see that some
    seem to have more in than others. The ones that seem to have the lesser ammount in them are the fresher ones. Reason is the carbonation pushes
    the sides out and the level appears to drop. As the carbonation goes
    out the sides come back in and pushes the level up.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Ralph Mowery on Sun May 30 20:23:35 2021
    Ralph Mowery wrote:

    CK1@nospam.com wrote:

    Just checked my kitchen cupboard, tins of fruit, carrots, soup,
    and spaghetti, all steel. I'm guessing it's because aluminium is
    poisonous, one of the reasons I have a steel scuba tank.

    My thinking is that steel is less expensive than aluminum. I also
    think that some things may attack the aluminum and steel differently.

    Aluminium drinks cans have a thin plastic lining, so the contents don't
    touch the aluminium.

    <https://youtu.be/xBQEnVR7y9k>

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  • From Michael Terrell@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sun May 30 23:24:00 2021
    On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 1:01:56 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 30 May 2021 17:45:11 +0100, Michael Terrell wrote:

    On Friday, May 28, 2021 at 1:52:29 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 28 May 2021 01:57:31 +0100, Michael Terrell wrote:

    I thought that the aluminum can was introduced in the late '50s? (1958?) During WW-II they were made of steel. I remember Pepsi in steel cans in the early '60s.
    They're still made of either aren't they?

    When was the last time that you saw a new, steel beer can?
    No idea, I brew my own. And the only commercial beer I've seen is in glass bottles or on draught.

    Just checked my kitchen cupboard, tins of fruit, carrots, soup, and spaghetti, all steel. I'm guessing it's because aluminium is poisonous, one of the reasons I have a steel scuba tank.

    Steel is a lot stronger than aluminum. OTOH, it cost more to ship. Aluminum and steel cans both have an internal coating to prevent corrosion. Tomatoes would quickly eat through an unlined steel can. That is why they have a thin, tin plating. Hence their
    name of 'Tin Cans'.
    When I was stationed at Ft. Greely, Alaska in the '70s, the aluminum soda cans were so thin that you could rip them apart with your bare hands. They tore like a sheet of paper. They weighed about 1/3 of a regular soda can. This was done, since they were
    canned in Seattle, and trucked into Alaska. The semis could only use short trailers, so shipping costs were high.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Michael Terrell on Mon May 31 18:34:52 2021
    On Mon, 31 May 2021 07:24:00 +0100, Michael Terrell <terrell.michael.a@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 1:01:56 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 30 May 2021 17:45:11 +0100, Michael Terrell wrote:

    On Friday, May 28, 2021 at 1:52:29 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 28 May 2021 01:57:31 +0100, Michael Terrell wrote:

    I thought that the aluminum can was introduced in the late '50s? (1958?) During WW-II they were made of steel. I remember Pepsi in steel cans in the early '60s.
    They're still made of either aren't they?

    When was the last time that you saw a new, steel beer can?
    No idea, I brew my own. And the only commercial beer I've seen is in glass bottles or on draught.

    Just checked my kitchen cupboard, tins of fruit, carrots, soup, and spaghetti, all steel. I'm guessing it's because aluminium is poisonous, one of the reasons I have a steel scuba tank.

    Steel is a lot stronger than aluminum.

    Another reason I have a steel scuba tank, I can get 50% more air pressure in it for a 50% longer dive. Plus they weigh more, so have neutral buoyancy. Aluminium divers need to carry weights, and some of them are stupid enough to buy "rocks" instead of
    just using natural rocks which you can drop anywhere underwater at no cost.

    OTOH, it cost more to ship.

    Compared to the weight of the contents, I doubt it's much.

    Aluminum and steel cans both have an internal coating to prevent corrosion. Tomatoes would quickly eat through an unlined steel can. That is why they have a thin, tin plating. Hence their name of 'Tin Cans'.

    But if that fails, by say denting the can, you get rust from one and aluminium oxide from the other. The second one is poisonous.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Ralph Mowery on Mon May 31 18:42:49 2021
    On Sun, 30 May 2021 18:26:04 +0100, Ralph Mowery <rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:

    In article <op.037tlc0amvhs6z@ryzen.lan>, CK1@nospam.com says...

    Just checked my kitchen cupboard, tins of fruit, carrots, soup, and spaghetti, all steel. I'm guessing it's because aluminium is poisonous, one of the reasons I have a steel scuba tank.

    My thinking is that steel is less expensive than aluminum.

    That's certainly the case with a bicycle, enough aluminium to make a bike strength frame costs way more than enough steel. but it never rusts. My bike is from 30 years ago.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Mon May 31 18:43:10 2021
    On Sun, 30 May 2021 20:23:35 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

    Ralph Mowery wrote:

    CK1@nospam.com wrote:

    Just checked my kitchen cupboard, tins of fruit, carrots, soup,
    and spaghetti, all steel. I'm guessing it's because aluminium is
    poisonous, one of the reasons I have a steel scuba tank.

    My thinking is that steel is less expensive than aluminum. I also
    think that some things may attack the aluminum and steel differently.

    Aluminium drinks cans have a thin plastic lining, so the contents don't
    touch the aluminium.

    <https://youtu.be/xBQEnVR7y9k>

    Maybe the beer can eat the plastic?

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  • From Jasen Betts@21:1/5 to Michael Terrell on Mon May 31 22:35:24 2021
    On 2021-05-31, Michael Terrell <terrell.michael.a@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 1:01:56 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 30 May 2021 17:45:11 +0100, Michael Terrell wrote:

    On Friday, May 28, 2021 at 1:52:29 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 28 May 2021 01:57:31 +0100, Michael Terrell wrote:

    I thought that the aluminum can was introduced in the late '50s? (1958?) During WW-II they were made of steel. I remember Pepsi in steel cans in the early '60s.
    They're still made of either aren't they?

    When was the last time that you saw a new, steel beer can?
    No idea, I brew my own. And the only commercial beer I've seen is in glass bottles or on draught.

    Just checked my kitchen cupboard, tins of fruit, carrots, soup, and spaghetti, all steel. I'm guessing it's because aluminium is poisonous, one of the reasons I have a steel scuba tank.

    Steel is a lot stronger than aluminum. OTOH, it cost more to ship.
    Aluminum and steel cans both have an internal coating to prevent
    corrosion. Tomatoes would quickly eat through an unlined steel can.
    That is why they have a thin, tin plating. Hence their name of 'Tin
    Cans'.

    If you look up "tin" in a dictionary one of the meanings is tin
    plated sheet steel. This is why they are called tin cans.
    The tin coating is only exposed on the outside, The inside is
    varnished or laminated.

    --
    Jasen.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Jasen Betts on Thu Jun 3 19:30:42 2021
    On Mon, 31 May 2021 23:35:24 +0100, Jasen Betts <usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> wrote:

    On 2021-05-31, Michael Terrell <terrell.michael.a@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 1:01:56 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sun, 30 May 2021 17:45:11 +0100, Michael Terrell wrote:

    On Friday, May 28, 2021 at 1:52:29 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 28 May 2021 01:57:31 +0100, Michael Terrell wrote:

    I thought that the aluminum can was introduced in the late '50s? (1958?) During WW-II they were made of steel. I remember Pepsi in steel cans in the early '60s.
    They're still made of either aren't they?

    When was the last time that you saw a new, steel beer can?
    No idea, I brew my own. And the only commercial beer I've seen is in glass bottles or on draught.

    Just checked my kitchen cupboard, tins of fruit, carrots, soup, and spaghetti, all steel. I'm guessing it's because aluminium is poisonous, one of the reasons I have a steel scuba tank.

    Steel is a lot stronger than aluminum. OTOH, it cost more to ship.
    Aluminum and steel cans both have an internal coating to prevent
    corrosion. Tomatoes would quickly eat through an unlined steel can.
    That is why they have a thin, tin plating. Hence their name of 'Tin
    Cans'.

    If you look up "tin" in a dictionary one of the meanings is tin
    plated sheet steel. This is why they are called tin cans.
    The tin coating is only exposed on the outside, The inside is
    varnished or laminated.

    Ah, so a con then, like "gold taps" just having a plating.

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