Here's my soft start circuit. Thanks for suggestions from Tilmann and
Jeroen.
The idea is to drive the ends of the transformer with in-phase square
waves and then slowly walk them to 180 degrees, to achieve a soft
start. An FPGA can do that easily. We might take a second... but that
would simulate forever.
What works well is to use two spice "modulator" elements and FM the
frequency of one of them for 50 ms, until they are 180 degrees out of
phase.
Spice BV elements with sin(time*freq) type expressions seemed to
overload or something.
Version 4
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On 16-01-2025 01:12, john larkin wrote:
Here's my soft start circuit. Thanks for suggestions from Tilmann and
Jeroen.
The idea is to drive the ends of the transformer with in-phase square
waves and then slowly walk them to 180 degrees, to achieve a soft
start. An FPGA can do that easily. We might take a second... but that
would simulate forever.
What works well is to use two spice "modulator" elements and FM the
frequency of one of them for 50 ms, until they are 180 degrees out of
phase.
Spice BV elements with sin(time*freq) type expressions seemed to
overload or something.
Version 4
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TEXT 288 -88 Left 3 ;JL Jan 15 2025
TEXT -200 -80 Left 2 !.model Sj SW(Ron=50m Roff=1g)
TEXT -200 -128 Left 2 !.tran 0 100m 0 20n
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Very nice simulation
I did a digital SMPS +10 years ago, use the same softstart principle.
Was based on a halfbridge converter, so if it did not have softstart
inrush current was very large. I believe you can do the same with phase >shifted controllers, but they are probably very expensive. I did it with
a 30cent microcontroller.
On Mon, 20 Jan 2025 22:09:05 +0100, Klaus Kragelund
<klauskvik@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 16-01-2025 01:12, john larkin wrote:
Here's my soft start circuit. Thanks for suggestions from Tilmann and
Jeroen.
The idea is to drive the ends of the transformer with in-phase square
waves and then slowly walk them to 180 degrees, to achieve a soft
start. An FPGA can do that easily. We might take a second... but that
would simulate forever.
What works well is to use two spice "modulator" elements and FM the
frequency of one of them for 50 ms, until they are 180 degrees out of
phase.
Spice BV elements with sin(time*freq) type expressions seemed to
overload or something.
Version 4
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TEXT 216 -136 Left 4 ;P970 DC-DC Converter
TEXT 288 -88 Left 3 ;JL Jan 15 2025
TEXT -200 -80 Left 2 !.model Sj SW(Ron=50m Roff=1g)
TEXT -200 -128 Left 2 !.tran 0 100m 0 20n
TEXT -192 -568 Left 2 ;PL300-101L
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Very nice simulation
I did a digital SMPS +10 years ago, use the same softstart principle.
Was based on a halfbridge converter, so if it did not have softstart
inrush current was very large. I believe you can do the same with phase
shifted controllers, but they are probably very expensive. I did it with
a 30cent microcontroller.
Envision an FPGA. Spin up a 200 MHz clock and stick that into a 10 bit
binary counter. The MSB is a 200 KHz square wave that drives one
half-bridge.
Now stick that into a 10-bit adder, add integer P to it. The sum is
the counter phase shifted by P, so the MSB is similarly time shifted,
driving the other half bridge. Start it all up and tick P up to 512 at
the power supply ramp-up rate, maybe over a second.
On 21-01-2025 01:18, john larkin wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jan 2025 22:09:05 +0100, Klaus KragelundYeah, the idea is nice.
<klauskvik@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 16-01-2025 01:12, john larkin wrote:
Here's my soft start circuit. Thanks for suggestions from Tilmann and
Jeroen.
The idea is to drive the ends of the transformer with in-phase square
waves and then slowly walk them to 180 degrees, to achieve a soft
start. An FPGA can do that easily. We might take a second... but that
would simulate forever.
What works well is to use two spice "modulator" elements and FM the
frequency of one of them for 50 ms, until they are 180 degrees out of
phase.
Spice BV elements with sin(time*freq) type expressions seemed to
overload or something.
Version 4
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SYMBOL SpecialFunctions\\modulate -1040 -912 R0
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TEXT 216 -136 Left 4 ;P970 DC-DC Converter
TEXT 288 -88 Left 3 ;JL Jan 15 2025
TEXT -200 -80 Left 2 !.model Sj SW(Ron=50m Roff=1g)
TEXT -200 -128 Left 2 !.tran 0 100m 0 20n
TEXT -192 -568 Left 2 ;PL300-101L
TEXT -160 -488 Left 2 ;4T
TEXT -96 -488 Left 2 ;5T
TEXT -200 -720 Left 2 !K1 L2 L3 0.999
TEXT -392 -192 Left 2 ;163-5001
TEXT -392 -152 Left 2 ;2.7 uH 5A
TEXT -168 -600 Left 2 ;Coilcraft
TEXT 232 -816 Left 2 ;50 ms soft start
Very nice simulation
I did a digital SMPS +10 years ago, use the same softstart principle.
Was based on a halfbridge converter, so if it did not have softstart
inrush current was very large. I believe you can do the same with phase
shifted controllers, but they are probably very expensive. I did it with >>> a 30cent microcontroller.
Envision an FPGA. Spin up a 200 MHz clock and stick that into a 10 bit
binary counter. The MSB is a 200 KHz square wave that drives one
half-bridge.
Now stick that into a 10-bit adder, add integer P to it. The sum is
the counter phase shifted by P, so the MSB is similarly time shifted,
driving the other half bridge. Start it all up and tick P up to 512 at
the power supply ramp-up rate, maybe over a second.
But I not that much of a fan of FPGAs. Very expensive compared to >microcontrollers. In some applications they are trusted more than Class
B embedded SW, and have more performance than microcontrollers. But for
the price of that FPGA, you can probably buy 100 cortex microcontrollers.
On Wed, 22 Jan 2025 22:47:10 +0100, Klaus Kragelund
<klauskvik@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 21-01-2025 01:18, john larkin wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jan 2025 22:09:05 +0100, Klaus KragelundYeah, the idea is nice.
<klauskvik@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 16-01-2025 01:12, john larkin wrote:
Here's my soft start circuit. Thanks for suggestions from Tilmann and >>>>> Jeroen.
The idea is to drive the ends of the transformer with in-phase square >>>>> waves and then slowly walk them to 180 degrees, to achieve a soft
start. An FPGA can do that easily. We might take a second... but that >>>>> would simulate forever.
What works well is to use two spice "modulator" elements and FM the
frequency of one of them for 50 ms, until they are 180 degrees out of >>>>> phase.
Spice BV elements with sin(time*freq) type expressions seemed to
overload or something.
Version 4
SHEET 1 2568 1220
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WIRE -400 -944 -512 -944
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Very nice simulation
I did a digital SMPS +10 years ago, use the same softstart principle.
Was based on a halfbridge converter, so if it did not have softstart
inrush current was very large. I believe you can do the same with phase >>>> shifted controllers, but they are probably very expensive. I did it with >>>> a 30cent microcontroller.
Envision an FPGA. Spin up a 200 MHz clock and stick that into a 10 bit
binary counter. The MSB is a 200 KHz square wave that drives one
half-bridge.
Now stick that into a 10-bit adder, add integer P to it. The sum is
the counter phase shifted by P, so the MSB is similarly time shifted,
driving the other half bridge. Start it all up and tick P up to 512 at
the power supply ramp-up rate, maybe over a second.
But I not that much of a fan of FPGAs. Very expensive compared to
microcontrollers. In some applications they are trusted more than Class
B embedded SW, and have more performance than microcontrollers. But for
the price of that FPGA, you can probably buy 100 cortex microcontrollers.
We have a modular power system with plugin boards, and every board has
an FPGA, so the function is incrementally free. The FPGA is an Efinix
T20, about $10.
Here's the system:
https://highlandtechnology.com/Category/MPS
We really need an FPGA on these boards. There are three 50 MBPS data
streams to and from the motherboard, and fast PWM generation and
stuff.
I'm designing a 4-channel dummy load board that simulates programmable resistance+inductance, like a solenoid or something. It needs four
isolated power supplies.
On 23-01-2025 00:25, john larkin wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jan 2025 22:47:10 +0100, Klaus Kragelund
<klauskvik@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 21-01-2025 01:18, john larkin wrote:We have a modular power system with plugin boards, and every board has
On Mon, 20 Jan 2025 22:09:05 +0100, Klaus KragelundYeah, the idea is nice.
<klauskvik@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 16-01-2025 01:12, john larkin wrote:
Here's my soft start circuit. Thanks for suggestions from Tilmann and >>>>>> Jeroen.
The idea is to drive the ends of the transformer with in-phase square >>>>>> waves and then slowly walk them to 180 degrees, to achieve a soft
start. An FPGA can do that easily. We might take a second... but that >>>>>> would simulate forever.
What works well is to use two spice "modulator" elements and FM the >>>>>> frequency of one of them for 50 ms, until they are 180 degrees out of >>>>>> phase.
Spice BV elements with sin(time*freq) type expressions seemed to
overload or something.
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Very nice simulation
I did a digital SMPS +10 years ago, use the same softstart principle. >>>>> Was based on a halfbridge converter, so if it did not have softstart >>>>> inrush current was very large. I believe you can do the same with phase >>>>> shifted controllers, but they are probably very expensive. I did it with >>>>> a 30cent microcontroller.
Envision an FPGA. Spin up a 200 MHz clock and stick that into a 10 bit >>>> binary counter. The MSB is a 200 KHz square wave that drives one
half-bridge.
Now stick that into a 10-bit adder, add integer P to it. The sum is
the counter phase shifted by P, so the MSB is similarly time shifted,
driving the other half bridge. Start it all up and tick P up to 512 at >>>> the power supply ramp-up rate, maybe over a second.
But I not that much of a fan of FPGAs. Very expensive compared to
microcontrollers. In some applications they are trusted more than Class
B embedded SW, and have more performance than microcontrollers. But for
the price of that FPGA, you can probably buy 100 cortex microcontrollers. >>
an FPGA, so the function is incrementally free. The FPGA is an Efinix
T20, about $10.
Here's the system:
https://highlandtechnology.com/Category/MPS
The web page shows and then is blank. Tried on several browser.
The other pages on the site are ok
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