• Re: Donuts

    From john larkin@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 12 07:40:35 2025
    On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 15:19:22 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    I find when I really need to focus on something particularly
    recondite, it's impossible without access to copious quantities of
    strong coffee and donuts. Just wondering if anyone else here has the
    same problem and if so, which brand of donuts works best?

    Problem? What problem?

    But dark chocolate is a superior design tool.

    We don't have any Dunkin Donuts around here, and their Boston Creme
    filled thing is excllent. We have a pretty bad Krispy Kreme in Daly
    City, on Eastmore Ave, the junk food strip. We call it Greasemore Ave.

    This joint just opened near us and we've got to try it soon:

    https://www.georgessf.com/

    Donuts with wine parings.

    Safeway makes a Boston Creme sort of thing that they call a Bismark.
    They are really good, but are usually sold out.

    Google Donuts San Francisco . It's a fad, in a good way. Is that
    happening in other cities/countries?

    Gotta go and make breakfast. Maybe tiny round pain perdu things from
    leftover baguette slices.

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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 12 15:19:22 2025
    I find when I really need to focus on something particularly
    recondite, it's impossible without access to copious quantities of
    strong coffee and donuts. Just wondering if anyone else here has the
    same problem and if so, which brand of donuts works best?

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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to john larkin on Sun Jan 12 17:45:54 2025
    On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 07:40:35 -0800, john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 15:19:22 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    I find when I really need to focus on something particularly
    recondite, it's impossible without access to copious quantities of
    strong coffee and donuts. Just wondering if anyone else here has the
    same problem and if so, which brand of donuts works best?

    Problem? What problem?

    Vector calculus.

    But dark chocolate is a superior design tool.

    That's what Grok recommended - after admonishing me for eating donuts
    in the first place. I didn't actually realize AI could, without
    prompting, lecture you on your unhealthy lifestyle, but it seems I was
    wrong.

    We don't have any Dunkin Donuts around here, and their Boston Creme
    filled thing is excllent. We have a pretty bad Krispy Kreme in Daly
    City, on Eastmore Ave, the junk food strip. We call it Greasemore Ave.

    Dunkin Donuts are pretty big in the UK AIUI. And I'm informed Krispy
    Kreme are trying to get in on the act as well. They have self-service
    machines in all the freeway rest areas. I've never tried either of
    those brands, though, having had pretty good results from Macdonald's
    donuts in the past. I guess I'm not very adventurous and just stick
    with what I know, hence the original question.

    This joint just opened near us and we've got to try it soon:

    https://www.georgessf.com/

    Donuts with wine parings.

    Safeway makes a Boston Creme sort of thing that they call a Bismark.
    They are really good, but are usually sold out.

    Safeway closed all their stores over here for some reason. Not sure
    why given the retail sector's on fire and has been for many years, the
    odd recession aside.

    Google Donuts San Francisco . It's a fad, in a good way. Is that >happening in other cities/countries?

    If it happens in SF it'll happen elsewhere sooner or later[1].
    Innovation-wise, there's nothing in Yurp donut-related to report so
    far, though AFAIK - certainly not close to 'Donuts SF'. You're simply
    *years* ahead of us. And Dynamo Donuts sounds really promising. I'd
    image problem-solving would be much easier after a visit to that
    particular emporium. You are indeed blessed living there.

    Gotta go and make breakfast. Maybe tiny round pain perdu things from
    leftover baguette slices.

    Enjoy!

    [1] LSD, gays, illegals and trendy Leftie stuff that conservatives
    like myself tend to frown upon.

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  • From john larkin@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 12 16:12:15 2025
    On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 17:45:54 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 07:40:35 -0800, john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 15:19:22 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> >>wrote:

    I find when I really need to focus on something particularly
    recondite, it's impossible without access to copious quantities of
    strong coffee and donuts. Just wondering if anyone else here has the
    same problem and if so, which brand of donuts works best?

    Problem? What problem?

    Vector calculus.

    But dark chocolate is a superior design tool.

    That's what Grok recommended - after admonishing me for eating donuts
    in the first place. I didn't actually realize AI could, without
    prompting, lecture you on your unhealthy lifestyle, but it seems I was
    wrong.

    We don't have any Dunkin Donuts around here, and their Boston Creme
    filled thing is excllent. We have a pretty bad Krispy Kreme in Daly
    City, on Eastmore Ave, the junk food strip. We call it Greasemore Ave.

    Dunkin Donuts are pretty big in the UK AIUI. And I'm informed Krispy
    Kreme are trying to get in on the act as well. They have self-service >machines in all the freeway rest areas. I've never tried either of
    those brands, though, having had pretty good results from Macdonald's
    donuts in the past. I guess I'm not very adventurous and just stick
    with what I know, hence the original question.

    This joint just opened near us and we've got to try it soon:

    https://www.georgessf.com/

    Donuts with wine parings.

    Safeway makes a Boston Creme sort of thing that they call a Bismark.
    They are really good, but are usually sold out.

    Safeway closed all their stores over here for some reason. Not sure
    why given the retail sector's on fire and has been for many years, the
    odd recession aside.

    Google Donuts San Francisco . It's a fad, in a good way. Is that >>happening in other cities/countries?

    If it happens in SF it'll happen elsewhere sooner or later[1]. >Innovation-wise, there's nothing in Yurp donut-related to report so
    far, though AFAIK - certainly not close to 'Donuts SF'. You're simply
    *years* ahead of us. And Dynamo Donuts sounds really promising. I'd
    image problem-solving would be much easier after a visit to that
    particular emporium. You are indeed blessed living there.

    Gotta go and make breakfast. Maybe tiny round pain perdu things from >>leftover baguette slices.

    Enjoy!

    [1] LSD, gays, illegals and trendy Leftie stuff that conservatives
    like myself tend to frown upon.

    I'm pretty conservative myself, but I don't wear a MAGA hat or roll my
    eyes too hard, and most people are nice, in person.

    Illegals do all the building and cooking and roofing that the coders
    and sociology majors don't know how to do.

    Gays are great! More neat women for us!

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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to john larkin on Mon Jan 13 00:41:46 2025
    On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 16:12:15 -0800, john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 17:45:54 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 07:40:35 -0800, john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 15:19:22 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> >>>wrote:

    I find when I really need to focus on something particularly
    recondite, it's impossible without access to copious quantities of >>>>strong coffee and donuts. Just wondering if anyone else here has the >>>>same problem and if so, which brand of donuts works best?

    Problem? What problem?

    Vector calculus.

    But dark chocolate is a superior design tool.

    That's what Grok recommended - after admonishing me for eating donuts
    in the first place. I didn't actually realize AI could, without
    prompting, lecture you on your unhealthy lifestyle, but it seems I was >>wrong.

    We don't have any Dunkin Donuts around here, and their Boston Creme >>>filled thing is excllent. We have a pretty bad Krispy Kreme in Daly
    City, on Eastmore Ave, the junk food strip. We call it Greasemore Ave.

    Dunkin Donuts are pretty big in the UK AIUI. And I'm informed Krispy
    Kreme are trying to get in on the act as well. They have self-service >>machines in all the freeway rest areas. I've never tried either of
    those brands, though, having had pretty good results from Macdonald's >>donuts in the past. I guess I'm not very adventurous and just stick
    with what I know, hence the original question.

    This joint just opened near us and we've got to try it soon:

    https://www.georgessf.com/

    Donuts with wine parings.

    Safeway makes a Boston Creme sort of thing that they call a Bismark.
    They are really good, but are usually sold out.

    Safeway closed all their stores over here for some reason. Not sure
    why given the retail sector's on fire and has been for many years, the
    odd recession aside.

    Google Donuts San Francisco . It's a fad, in a good way. Is that >>>happening in other cities/countries?

    If it happens in SF it'll happen elsewhere sooner or later[1]. >>Innovation-wise, there's nothing in Yurp donut-related to report so
    far, though AFAIK - certainly not close to 'Donuts SF'. You're simply >>*years* ahead of us. And Dynamo Donuts sounds really promising. I'd
    image problem-solving would be much easier after a visit to that
    particular emporium. You are indeed blessed living there.

    Gotta go and make breakfast. Maybe tiny round pain perdu things from >>>leftover baguette slices.

    Enjoy!

    [1] LSD, gays, illegals and trendy Leftie stuff that conservatives
    like myself tend to frown upon.

    I'm pretty conservative myself, but I don't wear a MAGA hat or roll my
    eyes too hard, and most people are nice, in person.

    Illegals do all the building and cooking and roofing that the coders
    and sociology majors don't know how to do.

    Gays are great! More neat women for us!

    True, but have you had them come on to you? It's just not pleasant at
    all. It's happened to me a couple of times with young men in their
    twenties. What on earth they saw in someone of my advanced years is
    beyond me. <shudder>

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  • From john larkin@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 12 17:16:19 2025
    On Mon, 13 Jan 2025 00:41:46 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 16:12:15 -0800, john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 17:45:54 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> >>wrote:

    On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 07:40:35 -0800, john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 15:19:22 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> >>>>wrote:

    I find when I really need to focus on something particularly >>>>>recondite, it's impossible without access to copious quantities of >>>>>strong coffee and donuts. Just wondering if anyone else here has the >>>>>same problem and if so, which brand of donuts works best?

    Problem? What problem?

    Vector calculus.

    But dark chocolate is a superior design tool.

    That's what Grok recommended - after admonishing me for eating donuts
    in the first place. I didn't actually realize AI could, without >>>prompting, lecture you on your unhealthy lifestyle, but it seems I was >>>wrong.

    We don't have any Dunkin Donuts around here, and their Boston Creme >>>>filled thing is excllent. We have a pretty bad Krispy Kreme in Daly >>>>City, on Eastmore Ave, the junk food strip. We call it Greasemore Ave.

    Dunkin Donuts are pretty big in the UK AIUI. And I'm informed Krispy >>>Kreme are trying to get in on the act as well. They have self-service >>>machines in all the freeway rest areas. I've never tried either of
    those brands, though, having had pretty good results from Macdonald's >>>donuts in the past. I guess I'm not very adventurous and just stick
    with what I know, hence the original question.

    This joint just opened near us and we've got to try it soon:

    https://www.georgessf.com/

    Donuts with wine parings.

    Safeway makes a Boston Creme sort of thing that they call a Bismark. >>>>They are really good, but are usually sold out.

    Safeway closed all their stores over here for some reason. Not sure
    why given the retail sector's on fire and has been for many years, the >>>odd recession aside.

    Google Donuts San Francisco . It's a fad, in a good way. Is that >>>>happening in other cities/countries?

    If it happens in SF it'll happen elsewhere sooner or later[1]. >>>Innovation-wise, there's nothing in Yurp donut-related to report so
    far, though AFAIK - certainly not close to 'Donuts SF'. You're simply >>>*years* ahead of us. And Dynamo Donuts sounds really promising. I'd >>>image problem-solving would be much easier after a visit to that >>>particular emporium. You are indeed blessed living there.

    Gotta go and make breakfast. Maybe tiny round pain perdu things from >>>>leftover baguette slices.

    Enjoy!

    [1] LSD, gays, illegals and trendy Leftie stuff that conservatives
    like myself tend to frown upon.

    I'm pretty conservative myself, but I don't wear a MAGA hat or roll my
    eyes too hard, and most people are nice, in person.

    Illegals do all the building and cooking and roofing that the coders
    and sociology majors don't know how to do.

    Gays are great! More neat women for us!

    True, but have you had them come on to you? It's just not pleasant at
    all. It's happened to me a couple of times with young men in their
    twenties. What on earth they saw in someone of my advanced years is
    beyond me. <shudder>

    Never. I used to live two blocks from the heart of the Castro and used
    to have a beer now and then in a gay bar, or a sticky bun for
    breakfast at a gay hangout.

    I assume that my obvious rugged masculine hetero aura kept them away.

    That was in the wild days before AIDS hit. Castro is much tamer now,
    with breeders pushing baby buggies around.

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  • From Liz Tuddenham@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Mon Jan 13 11:36:43 2025
    Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 16:12:15 -0800, john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 17:45:54 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> >wrote:

    On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 07:40:35 -0800, john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 15:19:22 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> >>>wrote:

    I find when I really need to focus on something particularly >>>>recondite, it's impossible without access to copious quantities of >>>>strong coffee and donuts. Just wondering if anyone else here has the >>>>same problem and if so, which brand of donuts works best?

    Problem? What problem?

    Vector calculus.

    But dark chocolate is a superior design tool.

    That's what Grok recommended - after admonishing me for eating donuts
    in the first place. I didn't actually realize AI could, without >>prompting, lecture you on your unhealthy lifestyle, but it seems I was >>wrong.

    We don't have any Dunkin Donuts around here, and their Boston Creme >>>filled thing is excllent. We have a pretty bad Krispy Kreme in Daly >>>City, on Eastmore Ave, the junk food strip. We call it Greasemore Ave.

    Dunkin Donuts are pretty big in the UK AIUI. And I'm informed Krispy >>Kreme are trying to get in on the act as well. They have self-service >>machines in all the freeway rest areas. I've never tried either of
    those brands, though, having had pretty good results from Macdonald's >>donuts in the past. I guess I'm not very adventurous and just stick
    with what I know, hence the original question.

    This joint just opened near us and we've got to try it soon:

    https://www.georgessf.com/

    Donuts with wine parings.

    Safeway makes a Boston Creme sort of thing that they call a Bismark. >>>They are really good, but are usually sold out.

    Safeway closed all their stores over here for some reason. Not sure
    why given the retail sector's on fire and has been for many years, the >>odd recession aside.

    Google Donuts San Francisco . It's a fad, in a good way. Is that >>>happening in other cities/countries?

    If it happens in SF it'll happen elsewhere sooner or later[1]. >>Innovation-wise, there's nothing in Yurp donut-related to report so
    far, though AFAIK - certainly not close to 'Donuts SF'. You're simply >>*years* ahead of us. And Dynamo Donuts sounds really promising. I'd >>image problem-solving would be much easier after a visit to that >>particular emporium. You are indeed blessed living there.

    Gotta go and make breakfast. Maybe tiny round pain perdu things from >>>leftover baguette slices.

    Enjoy!

    [1] LSD, gays, illegals and trendy Leftie stuff that conservatives
    like myself tend to frown upon.

    I'm pretty conservative myself, but I don't wear a MAGA hat or roll my
    eyes too hard, and most people are nice, in person.

    Illegals do all the building and cooking and roofing that the coders
    and sociology majors don't know how to do.

    Gays are great! More neat women for us!

    True, but have you had them come on to you? It's just not pleasant at
    all.

    Any unwanted sexual advances are unpleasant. Men on men, women on men,
    women on women and most comonly of all, men on women. Just be glad you
    aren't a woman.


    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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  • From john larkin@21:1/5 to Liz Tuddenham on Mon Jan 13 08:02:32 2025
    On Mon, 13 Jan 2025 11:36:43 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 16:12:15 -0800, john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 17:45:54 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 07:40:35 -0800, john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 15:19:22 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    I find when I really need to focus on something particularly
    recondite, it's impossible without access to copious quantities of
    strong coffee and donuts. Just wondering if anyone else here has the
    same problem and if so, which brand of donuts works best?

    Problem? What problem?

    Vector calculus.

    But dark chocolate is a superior design tool.

    That's what Grok recommended - after admonishing me for eating donuts
    in the first place. I didn't actually realize AI could, without
    prompting, lecture you on your unhealthy lifestyle, but it seems I was
    wrong.

    We don't have any Dunkin Donuts around here, and their Boston Creme
    filled thing is excllent. We have a pretty bad Krispy Kreme in Daly
    City, on Eastmore Ave, the junk food strip. We call it Greasemore Ave.

    Dunkin Donuts are pretty big in the UK AIUI. And I'm informed Krispy
    Kreme are trying to get in on the act as well. They have self-service
    machines in all the freeway rest areas. I've never tried either of
    those brands, though, having had pretty good results from Macdonald's
    donuts in the past. I guess I'm not very adventurous and just stick
    with what I know, hence the original question.

    This joint just opened near us and we've got to try it soon:

    https://www.georgessf.com/

    Donuts with wine parings.

    Safeway makes a Boston Creme sort of thing that they call a Bismark.
    They are really good, but are usually sold out.

    Safeway closed all their stores over here for some reason. Not sure
    why given the retail sector's on fire and has been for many years, the
    odd recession aside.

    Google Donuts San Francisco . It's a fad, in a good way. Is that
    happening in other cities/countries?

    If it happens in SF it'll happen elsewhere sooner or later[1].
    Innovation-wise, there's nothing in Yurp donut-related to report so
    far, though AFAIK - certainly not close to 'Donuts SF'. You're simply
    *years* ahead of us. And Dynamo Donuts sounds really promising. I'd
    image problem-solving would be much easier after a visit to that
    particular emporium. You are indeed blessed living there.

    Gotta go and make breakfast. Maybe tiny round pain perdu things from
    leftover baguette slices.

    Enjoy!

    [1] LSD, gays, illegals and trendy Leftie stuff that conservatives
    like myself tend to frown upon.

    I'm pretty conservative myself, but I don't wear a MAGA hat or roll my
    eyes too hard, and most people are nice, in person.

    Illegals do all the building and cooking and roofing that the coders
    and sociology majors don't know how to do.

    Gays are great! More neat women for us!

    True, but have you had them come on to you? It's just not pleasant at
    all.

    Any unwanted sexual advances are unpleasant. Men on men, women on men,
    women on women and most comonly of all, men on women. Just be glad you >aren't a woman.

    Evolution programmed us to do some things that Miss Manners would not
    approve of. The caveman approach, or wild promiscuity, which sometimes
    work, ie make babies. The problem for most of us is to balance those
    instincts against humanity and rationality, and still enjoy ourselves.

    I'm glad I'm not a woman because women are so awesome and beautiful
    that I'm glad that I'm programmed to appreciate them.

    There were zero women in my EE school. It must be very different now,
    with so many women in tech.

    When I was a student at Tulane I was invited to present a paper at the
    local IEEE chapter meeting. My wife wanted to hear it so I brought her
    along. At the end, I was pulled aside and scolded that women were not
    allowed as either members or guests. The fatheads didn't understand my
    paper anyhow.

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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to john larkin on Tue Jan 14 16:13:59 2025
    On 14/01/2025 3:02 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Mon, 13 Jan 2025 11:36:43 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 16:12:15 -0800, john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 17:45:54 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 07:40:35 -0800, john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 15:19:22 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> >>>>>> wrote:

    I find when I really need to focus on something particularly
    recondite, it's impossible without access to copious quantities of >>>>>>> strong coffee and donuts. Just wondering if anyone else here has the >>>>>>> same problem and if so, which brand of donuts works best?

    Problem? What problem?

    Vector calculus.

    But dark chocolate is a superior design tool.

    That's what Grok recommended - after admonishing me for eating donuts >>>>> in the first place. I didn't actually realize AI could, without
    prompting, lecture you on your unhealthy lifestyle, but it seems I was >>>>> wrong.

    We don't have any Dunkin Donuts around here, and their Boston Creme >>>>>> filled thing is excllent. We have a pretty bad Krispy Kreme in Daly >>>>>> City, on Eastmore Ave, the junk food strip. We call it Greasemore Ave. >>>>>
    Dunkin Donuts are pretty big in the UK AIUI. And I'm informed Krispy >>>>> Kreme are trying to get in on the act as well. They have self-service >>>>> machines in all the freeway rest areas. I've never tried either of
    those brands, though, having had pretty good results from Macdonald's >>>>> donuts in the past. I guess I'm not very adventurous and just stick
    with what I know, hence the original question.

    This joint just opened near us and we've got to try it soon:

    https://www.georgessf.com/

    Donuts with wine parings.

    Safeway makes a Boston Creme sort of thing that they call a Bismark. >>>>>> They are really good, but are usually sold out.

    Safeway closed all their stores over here for some reason. Not sure
    why given the retail sector's on fire and has been for many years, the >>>>> odd recession aside.

    Google Donuts San Francisco . It's a fad, in a good way. Is that >>>>>> happening in other cities/countries?

    If it happens in SF it'll happen elsewhere sooner or later[1].
    Innovation-wise, there's nothing in Yurp donut-related to report so
    far, though AFAIK - certainly not close to 'Donuts SF'. You're simply >>>>> *years* ahead of us. And Dynamo Donuts sounds really promising. I'd >>>>> image problem-solving would be much easier after a visit to that
    particular emporium. You are indeed blessed living there.

    Gotta go and make breakfast. Maybe tiny round pain perdu things from >>>>>> leftover baguette slices.

    Enjoy!

    [1] LSD, gays, illegals and trendy Leftie stuff that conservatives
    like myself tend to frown upon.

    I'm pretty conservative myself, but I don't wear a MAGA hat or roll my >>>> eyes too hard, and most people are nice, in person.

    Illegals do all the building and cooking and roofing that the coders
    and sociology majors don't know how to do.

    Gays are great! More neat women for us!

    True, but have you had them come on to you? It's just not pleasant at
    all.

    Any unwanted sexual advances are unpleasant. Men on men, women on men,
    women on women and most comonly of all, men on women. Just be glad you
    aren't a woman.

    Evolution programmed us to do some things that Miss Manners would not
    approve of.

    Evolution doesn't program anything. It just lets different inherited
    programs compete.

    Human evolution has left us with kids that are born before they can fend
    for themselves, and need parental care to survive until they can.
    Pair-bonding is the usual way of getting that - the father hangs around
    and helps feed the kid. Extended family also works - older sibling and grandparents can pitch in.

    Sadly, there are some great-ape programs left in the gene-pool, and they program males to inseminate anything they can. Those kids are less
    well-fed and are less likely to survive long enough to reproduce, but it
    takes a while to completely delete sub-optimal programs from the gene-pool.

    The caveman approach, or wild promiscuity, which sometimes
    work, ie make babies. The problem for most of us is to balance those instincts against humanity and rationality, and still enjoy ourselves.

    Evolution is doing that for us, but it is a slow process.

    I'm glad I'm not a woman because women are so awesome and beautiful
    that I'm glad that I'm programmed to appreciate them.

    Quite a few of them are but there are also female equivalents of John
    Larkin.

    There were zero women in my EE school. It must be very different now,
    with so many women in tech.

    I met quite a few female programmers. Female hardware engineers were
    remarkably rare - one of my bosses early on had an interview question
    "do you maintain your own car?" which is revealing. My wife did do a car maintenance course when she was a graduate student, and I was a long way
    away, but let me do it for her when I was within reach.

    When I was a student at Tulane I was invited to present a paper at the
    local IEEE chapter meeting. My wife wanted to hear it so I brought her
    along. At the end, I was pulled aside and scolded that women were not
    allowed as either members or guests. The fatheads didn't understand my
    paper anyhow.

    The NSW branch of the IEEE has quite a lot of female members. One of the
    star attractions is going back to Europe to become a professorial fellow
    at IMEC in Belgium - the European academic semi-conductor foundry, which
    is impressve - she'd worked there before she came to Sydney.

    Times really have changed
    __
    Bill Sloman

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  • From brian@21:1/5 to cd@notformail.com on Tue Jan 14 15:01:10 2025
    In message <a7n7ojljjer6nmeatlk14k2sl0rlvljebm@4ax.com>, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> writes
    I find when I really need to focus on something particularly
    recondite, it's impossible without access to copious quantities of
    strong coffee and donuts. Just wondering if anyone else here has the
    same problem and if so, which brand of donuts works best?

    My mother made delicious doughnuts and pancakes.

    My favourite bought out ones are from Greggs which don't have a hole in
    them .

    Jam ones are excellent

    https://articles.greggs.co.uk/images/1001840.png?1636447239571

    but the caramel custard doughnut is the real deal.

    Hhttps://articles.greggs.co.uk/images/1000128.png?1637846256428

    Greggs had a shop dangerously close to where I worked. A bridie and a
    doughnut set me up for the afternoon.

    Brian
    --
    Brian Howie

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  • From Dennis@21:1/5 to Bill Sloman on Tue Jan 14 10:32:40 2025
    On 1/13/25 23:13, Bill Sloman wrote:


    I met quite a few female programmers. Female hardware engineers were remarkably rare

    I remember a meeting I was at a couple of decades ago. There were 3
    engineers and 4 programmers. I forget the topic but remember thinking
    how strange it was that the engineers were all female (the programmers
    were all male - not so strange).

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  • From brian@21:1/5 to bill.sloman@ieee.org on Tue Jan 14 20:03:56 2025
    In message <vm4rqp$29ao0$2@dont-email.me>, Bill Sloman
    <bill.sloman@ieee.org> writes
    I met quite a few female programmers. Female hardware engineers were >remarkably rare -

    On my last project at work. We had two female hardware engineers, both
    analogue electronics - now there's something. They baked me a cake on
    my retirement on my 65th Birthday.

    At a meeting we were discussing the finish of the electronics box. One
    of ladies wanted it to be pink The mechanical engineer explained in all seriousness, why it had to be black . I was with her on it as most
    paints in the IR are black.

    We had quite a few female optical and laser engineers whose
    backgrounds were physics, and a female chemist.

    I don''t recall any in mechanical engineering or digital electronics -
    FPGA and the like.

    Brian


    --
    Brian Howie

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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to brian on Wed Jan 15 14:50:15 2025
    On 15/01/2025 7:03 am, brian wrote:
    In message <vm4rqp$29ao0$2@dont-email.me>, Bill Sloman
    <bill.sloman@ieee.org> writes
    I met quite a few female programmers. Female hardware engineers were
    remarkably rare -

    On my last project at work. We had two female hardware engineers, both analogue electronics - now there's something.  They  baked me a cake on
    my retirement on my 65th Birthday.

    At a meeting we were discussing the  finish of the electronics box. One
    of ladies wanted it to be pink The mechanical engineer explained in all seriousness, why it  had to be black . I was with her on it as most
    paints in the IR  are black.

    We had quite a few  female optical and laser  engineers  whose
    backgrounds were physics, and a female chemist.

    Female chemists haven't been remarkable since Marie Curie.

    When I was getting my Ph.D. in physical chemistry several of the other
    graduate students were female, and my own mother had B.Sc. in chemistry,
    and would have had a M.Sc. if WW2 hadn't got in the way.

    I don''t recall any in mechanical engineering or digital electronics -
    FPGA and the like.

    FPA's are a relatively recent introduction - we using small programmable
    parts in 1980's but the bigger parts didn't show up until the 1990s.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Thu Jan 16 13:12:40 2025
    On 1/12/2025 7:41 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:

    Gays are great! More neat women for us!

    True, but have you had them come on to you? It's just not pleasant at
    all. It's happened to me a couple of times with young men in their
    twenties. What on earth they saw in someone of my advanced years is
    beyond me. <shudder>

    I can't imagine it was money. Maybe they just liked your eyes bro.

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Thu Jan 16 13:11:36 2025
    On 1/12/2025 10:19 AM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    I find when I really need to focus on something particularly
    recondite, it's impossible without access to copious quantities of
    strong coffee and donuts. Just wondering if anyone else here has the
    same problem and if so, which brand of donuts works best?

    You gotta eat more veggies that shit's not good for you man. Try an
    avocado smoothie.

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to john larkin on Thu Jan 16 13:16:05 2025
    On 1/12/2025 10:40 AM, john larkin wrote:
    On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 15:19:22 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    I find when I really need to focus on something particularly
    recondite, it's impossible without access to copious quantities of
    strong coffee and donuts. Just wondering if anyone else here has the
    same problem and if so, which brand of donuts works best?

    Problem? What problem?

    But dark chocolate is a superior design tool.

    We don't have any Dunkin Donuts around here

    Their coffee is wretched, I should know I grew up with one on every
    corner, sometimes eight of them in a three mile stretch of road.

    It seems to be a lot of New Englander's favorite drink for some reason,
    I'm guessing it's the caffeine that's the best part not the rest of it.

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  • From john larkin@21:1/5 to bitrex on Thu Jan 16 10:54:18 2025
    On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 13:16:05 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 1/12/2025 10:40 AM, john larkin wrote:
    On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 15:19:22 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    I find when I really need to focus on something particularly
    recondite, it's impossible without access to copious quantities of
    strong coffee and donuts. Just wondering if anyone else here has the
    same problem and if so, which brand of donuts works best?

    Problem? What problem?

    But dark chocolate is a superior design tool.

    We don't have any Dunkin Donuts around here

    Their coffee is wretched, I should know I grew up with one on every
    corner, sometimes eight of them in a three mile stretch of road.

    It seems to be a lot of New Englander's favorite drink for some reason,
    I'm guessing it's the caffeine that's the best part not the rest of it.

    The big port cities, LA and SF and NYC and NOLA grab the best coffee
    beans and ship the junk inland.

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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to bitrex on Thu Jan 16 23:32:01 2025
    On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 13:11:36 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 1/12/2025 10:19 AM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    I find when I really need to focus on something particularly
    recondite, it's impossible without access to copious quantities of
    strong coffee and donuts. Just wondering if anyone else here has the
    same problem and if so, which brand of donuts works best?

    You gotta eat more veggies that shit's not good for you man. Try an
    avocado smoothie.

    That's exactly what Grok told me. It's a very humiliating experience
    to be castigated by AI.

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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to bitrex on Thu Jan 16 23:31:07 2025
    On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 13:16:05 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 1/12/2025 10:40 AM, john larkin wrote:
    On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 15:19:22 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    I find when I really need to focus on something particularly
    recondite, it's impossible without access to copious quantities of
    strong coffee and donuts. Just wondering if anyone else here has the
    same problem and if so, which brand of donuts works best?

    Problem? What problem?

    But dark chocolate is a superior design tool.

    We don't have any Dunkin Donuts around here

    Their coffee is wretched, I should know I grew up with one on every
    corner, sometimes eight of them in a three mile stretch of road.

    It seems to be a lot of New Englander's favorite drink for some reason,
    I'm guessing it's the caffeine that's the best part not the rest of it.

    It's even worse than Starbucks and that's saying something.

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  • From john larkin@21:1/5 to bitrex on Thu Jan 16 15:40:32 2025
    On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 16:59:40 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 1/12/2025 10:19 AM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    I find when I really need to focus on something particularly
    recondite, it's impossible without access to copious quantities of
    strong coffee and donuts. Just wondering if anyone else here has the
    same problem and if so, which brand of donuts works best?

    You gotta eat more veggies that shit's not good for you man. Try an
    avocado smoothie.

    Coffee (and chocolate) turn out to be good for you.

    More research is needed on the health benefits of donuts.

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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 17 18:00:00 2025
    On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 15:40:32 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 16:59:40 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 1/12/2025 10:19 AM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    I find when I really need to focus on something particularly
    recondite, it's impossible without access to copious quantities of
    strong coffee and donuts. Just wondering if anyone else here has the
    same problem and if so, which brand of donuts works best?

    You gotta eat more veggies that shit's not good for you man. Try an
    avocado smoothie.

    Coffee (and chocolate) turn out to be good for you.

    More research is needed on the health benefits of donuts.

    Yes, and I'm carrying out some research on them right now. ;)
    Coffee and chocolate sounds like a more healthy plan and if you say
    it's equally efficatious I would not doubt you. However, I would guess
    it needs to be the right kind of chocolate. In parts of Yurp, the
    quality of the stuff varies hugely. There's a lot of stuff that is
    labeled as chocolate but is in fact mostly vegatable fat (Cadbury I'm
    talking to you). The good stuff is 70% or more cocoa and it's
    typically much darker (and much more expensive).

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Fri Jan 17 19:28:15 2025
    On 1/16/2025 6:31 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 13:16:05 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 1/12/2025 10:40 AM, john larkin wrote:
    On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 15:19:22 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    I find when I really need to focus on something particularly
    recondite, it's impossible without access to copious quantities of
    strong coffee and donuts. Just wondering if anyone else here has the
    same problem and if so, which brand of donuts works best?

    Problem? What problem?

    But dark chocolate is a superior design tool.

    We don't have any Dunkin Donuts around here

    Their coffee is wretched, I should know I grew up with one on every
    corner, sometimes eight of them in a three mile stretch of road.

    It seems to be a lot of New Englander's favorite drink for some reason,
    I'm guessing it's the caffeine that's the best part not the rest of it.

    It's even worse than Starbucks and that's saying something.

    Abusers of the chain here tend to get it served "regular" which means
    like a quarter-cup of cream and half-dozen sugars so who cares what it
    tastes like naturally I guess.

    Just a $5 generic house-brand bag of Peruvian dark roast through a Mr.
    Coffee is better for more civilized use...the UK surely has us beat on
    tea but there is little excuse for drinking bad coffee in the Americas..

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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to bitrex on Sat Jan 18 11:10:23 2025
    On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 19:28:15 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 1/16/2025 6:31 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 13:16:05 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 1/12/2025 10:40 AM, john larkin wrote:
    On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 15:19:22 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    I find when I really need to focus on something particularly
    recondite, it's impossible without access to copious quantities of
    strong coffee and donuts. Just wondering if anyone else here has the >>>>> same problem and if so, which brand of donuts works best?

    Problem? What problem?

    But dark chocolate is a superior design tool.

    We don't have any Dunkin Donuts around here

    Their coffee is wretched, I should know I grew up with one on every
    corner, sometimes eight of them in a three mile stretch of road.

    It seems to be a lot of New Englander's favorite drink for some reason,
    I'm guessing it's the caffeine that's the best part not the rest of it.

    It's even worse than Starbucks and that's saying something.

    Abusers of the chain here tend to get it served "regular" which means
    like a quarter-cup of cream and half-dozen sugars so who cares what it
    tastes like naturally I guess.

    Just a $5 generic house-brand bag of Peruvian dark roast through a Mr.
    Coffee is better for more civilized use...the UK surely has us beat on
    tea but there is little excuse for drinking bad coffee in the Americas..

    Last time I donned a stab-proof vest and visited the UK, there was a
    coffee joint about every 10 yards and some of them served far more
    varieties of coffee than tea. There's only a couple of teas to choose
    from but over a dozen coffees. It's an outrage.

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  • From Liz Tuddenham@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Sat Jan 18 11:57:54 2025
    Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 19:28:15 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 1/16/2025 6:31 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 13:16:05 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 1/12/2025 10:40 AM, john larkin wrote:
    On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 15:19:22 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> >>>> wrote:

    I find when I really need to focus on something particularly
    recondite, it's impossible without access to copious quantities of >>>>> strong coffee and donuts. Just wondering if anyone else here has the >>>>> same problem and if so, which brand of donuts works best?

    Problem? What problem?

    But dark chocolate is a superior design tool.

    We don't have any Dunkin Donuts around here

    Their coffee is wretched, I should know I grew up with one on every
    corner, sometimes eight of them in a three mile stretch of road.

    It seems to be a lot of New Englander's favorite drink for some reason, >>> I'm guessing it's the caffeine that's the best part not the rest of it. >>
    It's even worse than Starbucks and that's saying something.

    Abusers of the chain here tend to get it served "regular" which means
    like a quarter-cup of cream and half-dozen sugars so who cares what it >tastes like naturally I guess.

    Just a $5 generic house-brand bag of Peruvian dark roast through a Mr. >Coffee is better for more civilized use...the UK surely has us beat on
    tea but there is little excuse for drinking bad coffee in the Americas..

    Last time I donned a stab-proof vest and visited the UK, there was a
    coffee joint about every 10 yards and some of them served far more
    varieties of coffee than tea. There's only a couple of teas to choose
    from but over a dozen coffees. It's an outrage.

    We've had a few centuries in which to rationalise our tea blending so
    that purveyors only need to supply a small range:

    Builder's tea
    Afternoon tea
    Gnats' p*ss
    As-it-comes

    In contrast that foreign Johnny-come-lately, coffee, is still relatively immature and in a state of flux (probably caused by stirring it too vigorously).

    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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  • From john larkin@21:1/5 to bitrex on Sat Jan 18 07:54:47 2025
    On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 19:28:15 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 1/16/2025 6:31 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 13:16:05 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 1/12/2025 10:40 AM, john larkin wrote:
    On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 15:19:22 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    I find when I really need to focus on something particularly
    recondite, it's impossible without access to copious quantities of
    strong coffee and donuts. Just wondering if anyone else here has the >>>>> same problem and if so, which brand of donuts works best?

    Problem? What problem?

    But dark chocolate is a superior design tool.

    We don't have any Dunkin Donuts around here

    Their coffee is wretched, I should know I grew up with one on every
    corner, sometimes eight of them in a three mile stretch of road.

    It seems to be a lot of New Englander's favorite drink for some reason,
    I'm guessing it's the caffeine that's the best part not the rest of it.

    It's even worse than Starbucks and that's saying something.

    Abusers of the chain here tend to get it served "regular"

    That's pronounced cawfee regula

    My wife is from the Boston area, but I have converted her to Peets and
    CDM.

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  • From john larkin@21:1/5 to Liz Tuddenham on Sat Jan 18 08:02:03 2025
    On Sat, 18 Jan 2025 11:57:54 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 19:28:15 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 1/16/2025 6:31 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 13:16:05 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 1/12/2025 10:40 AM, john larkin wrote:
    On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 15:19:22 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> >> >>>> wrote:

    I find when I really need to focus on something particularly
    recondite, it's impossible without access to copious quantities of
    strong coffee and donuts. Just wondering if anyone else here has the >> >>>>> same problem and if so, which brand of donuts works best?

    Problem? What problem?

    But dark chocolate is a superior design tool.

    We don't have any Dunkin Donuts around here

    Their coffee is wretched, I should know I grew up with one on every
    corner, sometimes eight of them in a three mile stretch of road.

    It seems to be a lot of New Englander's favorite drink for some reason, >> >>> I'm guessing it's the caffeine that's the best part not the rest of it. >> >>
    It's even worse than Starbucks and that's saying something.

    Abusers of the chain here tend to get it served "regular" which means
    like a quarter-cup of cream and half-dozen sugars so who cares what it
    tastes like naturally I guess.

    Just a $5 generic house-brand bag of Peruvian dark roast through a Mr.
    Coffee is better for more civilized use...the UK surely has us beat on
    tea but there is little excuse for drinking bad coffee in the Americas..

    Last time I donned a stab-proof vest and visited the UK, there was a
    coffee joint about every 10 yards and some of them served far more
    varieties of coffee than tea. There's only a couple of teas to choose
    from but over a dozen coffees. It's an outrage.

    We've had a few centuries in which to rationalise our tea blending so
    that purveyors only need to supply a small range:

    Builder's tea
    Afternoon tea
    Gnats' p*ss
    As-it-comes

    In contrast that foreign Johnny-come-lately, coffee, is still relatively >immature and in a state of flux (probably caused by stirring it too >vigorously).

    I have two young engineers in my Glen Canyon Design Center and both
    are tea drinkers. The place came equipped with a new Keurig so I gave
    that away.

    One of the kids is a California native and one is from Peru. Makes no
    sense.

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