Has anyone tried moving entirely to VM-based systems for
their (hardware/software/documentation) development efforts?
Admittedly, there is a bit of a performance penalty vs.
native iron. But, it could simplify things by allowing
fewer physical hosts and shifting the burden to a bigger
VM store (just more disk space -- which you'd already have
for physical hosts!)
Has anyone tried moving entirely to VM-based systems for
their (hardware/software/documentation) development efforts?
Admittedly, there is a bit of a performance penalty vs.
native iron. But, it could simplify things by allowing
fewer physical hosts and shifting the burden to a bigger
VM store (just more disk space -- which you'd already have
for physical hosts!)
On 1/9/2025 9:54 PM, Don Y wrote:
Has anyone tried moving entirely to VM-based systems for
their (hardware/software/documentation) development efforts?
Admittedly, there is a bit of a performance penalty vs.
native iron. But, it could simplify things by allowing
fewer physical hosts and shifting the burden to a bigger
VM store (just more disk space -- which you'd already have
for physical hosts!)
What's the advantage unless you're doing PC/mobile software development?
Python already supports its own virtual environments, and running a Windows VM
isn't much fun on a laptop..maybe on a desktop/server with lots of RAM.
Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
Has anyone tried moving entirely to VM-based systems for
their (hardware/software/documentation) development efforts?
Admittedly, there is a bit of a performance penalty vs.
native iron. But, it could simplify things by allowing
fewer physical hosts and shifting the burden to a bigger
VM store (just more disk space -- which you'd already have
for physical hosts!)
Ever tried to run Altium Designer PCB Editor in a VM?
Please let us know when you succeed and explain how you did it.
On 1/9/2025 9:54 PM, Sergey Kubushyn wrote:
Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
Has anyone tried moving entirely to VM-based systems for
their (hardware/software/documentation) development efforts?
Admittedly, there is a bit of a performance penalty vs.
native iron. But, it could simplify things by allowing
fewer physical hosts and shifting the burden to a bigger
VM store (just more disk space -- which you'd already have
for physical hosts!)
Ever tried to run Altium Designer PCB Editor in a VM?
Please let us know when you succeed and explain how you did it.
What problems are you having? Under which VM environment?
Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
On 1/9/2025 9:54 PM, Sergey Kubushyn wrote:
Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
Has anyone tried moving entirely to VM-based systems for
their (hardware/software/documentation) development efforts?
Admittedly, there is a bit of a performance penalty vs.
native iron. But, it could simplify things by allowing
fewer physical hosts and shifting the burden to a bigger
VM store (just more disk space -- which you'd already have
for physical hosts!)
Ever tried to run Altium Designer PCB Editor in a VM?
Please let us know when you succeed and explain how you did it.
What problems are you having? Under which VM environment?
Did you try it under ANY VM environment? Had it worked in ANY VM? Please share what environment it was.
That is just one thing that doesn't even access some special hardware. Just
a mere CAD, duh...
But, the NEXT step is to consolidate my current workstations into
a single (?) box and virtualize all of the prior machines (knowing
that the VMs will obviously fit on the media that held the original
images -- just relocate them to the SAN).
In article <vlqkks$3tbjk$3@dont-email.me>,
Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
But, the NEXT step is to consolidate my current workstations into
a single (?) box and virtualize all of the prior machines (knowing
that the VMs will obviously fit on the media that held the original
images -- just relocate them to the SAN).
This seems to be a popular approach for people who are putting
together a "home lab" and running a bunch of different services.
The virtualization approaches range anywhere from simple
Linux containers, to full hypervisor-level virtualization.
Proxmox appears to be the most popular home-lab virtualization
manager.
Has anyone tried moving entirely to VM-based systems for
their (hardware/software/documentation) development efforts?
On 1/10/2025 1:25 AM, Sergey Kubushyn wrote:
Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
On 1/9/2025 9:54 PM, Sergey Kubushyn wrote:
Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
Has anyone tried moving entirely to VM-based systems for
their (hardware/software/documentation) development efforts?
Admittedly, there is a bit of a performance penalty vs.
native iron. But, it could simplify things by allowing
fewer physical hosts and shifting the burden to a bigger
VM store (just more disk space -- which you'd already have
for physical hosts!)
Ever tried to run Altium Designer PCB Editor in a VM?
Please let us know when you succeed and explain how you did it.
What problems are you having? Under which VM environment?
Did you try it under ANY VM environment? Had it worked in ANY VM? Please
share what environment it was.
*YOU* are the one who has (apparently) attempted to "try it" and
met with failure. I've asked you to explain how that failure
manifested and what environment you were using.
Is that too much to ask? The point of my post was to elicit
SPECIFIC problems folks have had with this approach. I can
then reevaluate how I might approach the issue.
E.g., I am pretty sure my SDI video will be "tricky" to keep
working in such an environment; so, easier to opt to preserve
that entire workstation "as is" than to hope someone else
*might* have such a card and MIGHT have tried using it in a
particular VM environment.
That is just one thing that doesn't even access some special hardware.
Just
a mere CAD, duh...
On 1/9/2025 6:54 PM, Don Y wrote:
Has anyone tried moving entirely to VM-based systems for
their (hardware/software/documentation) development efforts?
This is not quite what you are talking about, but I do all my development efforts on one hefty Linux server running a GUI Linux desktop accessed via a VNC session I ssh into.
I have a Windows laptop at my office that does my web browsing and email and I
just bring up the server VNC session to do design work. Likewise I ssh into the
same VNC session with a Linux laptop at home. The VNC session is constantly up
so I don't have to worry about losing my place. I can also go into a lab and bring up my VNC session on a lab computer.
This way my laptops do not need to be powerful or need to save state and I don't need to physically drag them around if I don't want to.
I looked into it a month ago since I got a new PC. My intention was to use it for the programs that could be updated often (compilers, maybe Altium/Orcad)
Seems any VM and container takes significant resources (both CPU load, but more
important memory). So I did not go through with it.
I can't use laptops for anything but email and browsing the web.
On 1/15/2025 2:30 PM, Don Y wrote:
I can't use laptops for anything but email and browsing the web.
I also plug my laptops into larger monitor(s) for for things beside the above.
Has anyone tried moving entirely to VM-based systems for
their (hardware/software/documentation) development efforts?
Admittedly, there is a bit of a performance penalty vs.
native iron. But, it could simplify things by allowing
fewer physical hosts and shifting the burden to a bigger
VM store (just more disk space -- which you'd already have
for physical hosts!)
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