• OT: consuming dark chocolate linked to reduced risk of type 2 diabetes?

    From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 10 05:02:33 2024
    Eating dark chocolate linked with reduced risk of type 2 diabetes
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/12/241204183114.htm
    Source:
    Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health
    Summary:
    Consuming dark, but not milk, chocolate may be associated with lower risk of
    developing type 2 diabetes (T2D), according to a new study.

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  • From Martin Brown@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Tue Dec 10 09:36:35 2024
    On 10/12/2024 05:02, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Eating dark chocolate linked with reduced risk of type 2 diabetes
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/12/241204183114.htm
    Source:
    Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health
    Summary:
    Consuming dark, but not milk, chocolate may be associated with lower risk of
    developing type 2 diabetes (T2D), according to a new study.

    That is probably because there is comparatively little sugar in >70%
    cocoa solids dark chocolate and mostly expensive natural cocoa butter.

    It is far more likely that consuming the other cheap and nasty stuff
    full of dodgy fats and loads of sugar is *causing* type 2 diabetes.

    I like chocolate up to 85% cocoa solids and I have tasted 90%, 95% and
    100% which are all too bitter for my palate. One of the Xmas lectures
    was on chocolate a few years back. Best high quality chocolate in the
    world includes Swiss, Portuguese, Belgian and Japanese.

    We also had US Hershey bar available to taste - the world's only vomit flavoured "chocolate" (doesn't meet EU regulations to be chocolate).

    https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Hersheys-not-popular-in-Europe

    --
    Martin Brown

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  • From Don Y@21:1/5 to Martin Brown on Tue Dec 10 04:11:41 2024
    On 12/10/2024 2:36 AM, Martin Brown wrote:
    On 10/12/2024 05:02, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Eating dark chocolate linked with reduced risk of type 2 diabetes
      https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/12/241204183114.htm
    Source:
       Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health
    Summary:
       Consuming dark, but not milk, chocolate may be associated with lower risk of
      developing type 2 diabetes (T2D), according to a new study.

    That is probably because there is comparatively little sugar in >70% cocoa solids dark chocolate and mostly expensive natural cocoa butter.

    It is far more likely that consuming the other cheap and nasty stuff full of dodgy fats and loads of sugar is *causing* type 2 diabetes.

    I'm sure there are far more "causal agents" to add to that list -- not
    the least of which is lifestyle!

    I like chocolate up to 85% cocoa solids and I have tasted 90%, 95% and 100% which are all too bitter for my palate. One of the Xmas lectures was on chocolate  a few years back. Best high quality chocolate in the world includes
    Swiss, Portuguese, Belgian and Japanese.

    "Dutched" cocoa is less bitter -- but the color changes in the process.

    SWMBO is a chocoholic (I'm not fond of chocolate, prefering almond, instead).
    I make walnut bark (walnut pieces in 72% chocolate) and chocolate covered almonds (72%) dusted in cocoa powder. I also use chocolate to "bind"
    certain ingredients together (e.g., my latest creation is "nut clusters")
    as she doesn't "object" to that addition to a recipe -- ANY recipe!

    We also had US Hershey bar available to taste - the world's only vomit flavoured "chocolate" (doesn't meet EU regulations to be chocolate).

    https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Hersheys-not-popular-in-Europe

    I've found that you can adjust the amount of sugar (up or down) in
    a recipe based on your choice of "other flavors". E.g., I'm making
    pizzelles, today -- 30% sugar, 70% flour bound with eggs. By adjusting
    the amount of anise oil (carried in alcohol), I can vary the sugar
    content without anyone noticing the amount of "sweet" -- the anise
    overwhelms taste and scent sensations in the consumer.

    Similarly with almond flavor. I have a variation on my "blue cookies"
    recipe that I bring to holiday parties. It is /obnoxiously/ sweet
    (to the point where it invariably gets "Oh, these are disgusting!"
    reviews) yet incredibly addictive: "I'll just have 1/2/5/10 more..."

    You can similarly adjust for bitterness. E.g., 60% cocoa "chips"
    are a turnoff for most children (they expect the sweetness of
    MILK chocolate chips). But, with enough distractions in the
    cookies, you can slip that bitterness past their palate.

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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to Martin Brown on Wed Dec 11 00:29:21 2024
    On 10/12/2024 8:36 pm, Martin Brown wrote:
    On 10/12/2024 05:02, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Eating dark chocolate linked with reduced risk of type 2 diabetes
      https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/12/241204183114.htm
    Source:
       Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health
    Summary:
       Consuming dark, but not milk, chocolate may be associated with
    lower risk of
      developing type 2 diabetes (T2D), according to a new study.

    That is probably because there is comparatively little sugar in >70%
    cocoa solids dark chocolate and mostly expensive natural cocoa butter.

    It is far more likely that consuming the other cheap and nasty stuff
    full of dodgy fats and loads of sugar is *causing* type 2 diabetes.

    There may be more going on. Dark chocolate does seem to be an
    anti-depressant.

    I like chocolate up to 85% cocoa solids and I have tasted 90%, 95% and
    100% which are all too bitter for my palate. One of the Xmas lectures
    was on chocolate  a few years back. Best high quality chocolate in the
    world includes Swiss, Portuguese, Belgian and Japanese.

    I'm fine with 90% and 95% cocoa solids. The 99% we can get here is fine
    too, but more expensive in the local shops so I don't bother.

    <snip>

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to '''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk on Tue Dec 10 13:23:40 2024
    On a sunny day (Tue, 10 Dec 2024 09:36:35 +0000) it happened Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote in <vj9236$t4hr$3@dont-email.me>:

    On 10/12/2024 05:02, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Eating dark chocolate linked with reduced risk of type 2 diabetes
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/12/241204183114.htm
    Source:
    Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health
    Summary:
    Consuming dark, but not milk, chocolate may be associated with lower risk of
    developing type 2 diabetes (T2D), according to a new study.

    That is probably because there is comparatively little sugar in >70%
    cocoa solids dark chocolate and mostly expensive natural cocoa butter.

    It is far more likely that consuming the other cheap and nasty stuff
    full of dodgy fats and loads of sugar is *causing* type 2 diabetes.

    I like chocolate up to 85% cocoa solids and I have tasted 90%, 95% and
    100% which are all too bitter for my palate. One of the Xmas lectures
    was on chocolate a few years back. Best high quality chocolate in the
    world includes Swiss, Portuguese, Belgian and Japanese.

    We also had US Hershey bar available to taste - the world's only vomit >flavoured "chocolate" (doesn't meet EU regulations to be chocolate).

    https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Hersheys-not-popular-in-Europe

    Do not remember having tried that...

    I just stocked up on Verkade pure intense again:
    https://www.ah.nl/producten/product/wi502245/verkade-tablet-puur
    Also have some real cacao:
    https://www.ah.nl/producten/product/wi127402/blooker-cacaopoeder
    And I use Brazilian coffee with sugar...
    --Icecream has sugar in it I am sure,...
    https://www.ah.nl/zoeken?query=hertog%20slagroomijss
    have a bit of that every day..

    Still alive!

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  • From Martin Brown@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Tue Dec 10 14:26:01 2024
    On 10/12/2024 13:23, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Tue, 10 Dec 2024 09:36:35 +0000) it happened Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote in <vj9236$t4hr$3@dont-email.me>:

    We also had US Hershey bar available to taste - the world's only vomit
    flavoured "chocolate" (doesn't meet EU regulations to be chocolate).

    https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Hersheys-not-popular-in-Europe

    Do not remember having tried that...

    You would if you had. I try it again about once a decade to see if it is
    really as bad as I remember it. Some things like durian fruit and natto
    smell terrible but taste delicious (at least if you like strong tastes
    like very blue cheese). Hershey bars smell bad and taste even worse.

    It used to be only available on US airbases in the UK until recently.
    Now one of the supermarkets, Morrisons has it on the shelves. Doesn't
    really sell to anyone apart from to homesick US expats.

    https://groceries.morrisons.com/products/hershey-s-milk-chocolate/110782496

    --
    Martin Brown

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  • From Martin Brown@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Tue Dec 10 14:43:26 2024
    On 10/12/2024 14:16, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    PS
    the reason I put a question mark in the subject line is that I really hope those guys are not confusing cause and effect.
    There was this German prof who showed his students that in the same village that had the most storks there were also the most child births.
    So, warned his students that statistics is dangerous and that that does not prove storks bring kids.
    I could imagine people with some sort of leaning towards diabetes having less desire for chocolate?
    It all depends.

    My favourite in that line of correlation vs causation is length of name
    vs faintness for asteroids.

    Early ones got Greek and Roman Gods names Iris, Juno, Ceres, Vesta etc.

    More recently they are numbered and then named for famous(ish) people:

    2675 Tolkien (unusually short)

    4015 Wilson–Harrington (unusually long for a low numbered one)

    50719 Elizabethgriffin

    Increasingly they just have discovery numbers and a set of orbital
    elements saved just in case someone wants to observe them again.

    Finding Earth orbit crossing ones has become something of a growth
    industry lately since they could pose an existential threat to us.

    --
    Martin Brown

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 10 14:16:38 2024
    PS
    the reason I put a question mark in the subject line is that I really hope those guys are not confusing cause and effect.
    There was this German prof who showed his students that in the same village that had the most storks there were also the most child births.
    So, warned his students that statistics is dangerous and that that does not prove storks bring kids.
    I could imagine people with some sort of leaning towards diabetes having less desire for chocolate?
    It all depends.

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  • From john larkin@21:1/5 to '''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk on Tue Dec 10 07:51:18 2024
    On Tue, 10 Dec 2024 09:36:35 +0000, Martin Brown
    <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

    On 10/12/2024 05:02, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Eating dark chocolate linked with reduced risk of type 2 diabetes
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/12/241204183114.htm
    Source:
    Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health
    Summary:
    Consuming dark, but not milk, chocolate may be associated with lower risk of
    developing type 2 diabetes (T2D), according to a new study.

    That is probably because there is comparatively little sugar in >70%
    cocoa solids dark chocolate and mostly expensive natural cocoa butter.

    It is far more likely that consuming the other cheap and nasty stuff
    full of dodgy fats and loads of sugar is *causing* type 2 diabetes.

    I like chocolate up to 85% cocoa solids and I have tasted 90%, 95% and
    100% which are all too bitter for my palate. One of the Xmas lectures
    was on chocolate a few years back. Best high quality chocolate in the
    world includes Swiss, Portuguese, Belgian and Japanese.

    We also had US Hershey bar available to taste - the world's only vomit >flavoured "chocolate" (doesn't meet EU regulations to be chocolate).

    https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Hersheys-not-popular-in-Europe

    The Hershey Special Dark bars are OK in an emergency, like stranded in
    a life raft or a prison cell.

    I won't forgive Hershey for buying Joseph Schmidt Confections and
    killing it.

    Cadbury is mostly inedible. As is Dove.

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  • From Martin Brown@21:1/5 to john larkin on Tue Dec 10 16:25:36 2024
    On 10/12/2024 15:51, john larkin wrote:
    On Tue, 10 Dec 2024 09:36:35 +0000, Martin Brown
    <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:


    We also had US Hershey bar available to taste - the world's only vomit
    flavoured "chocolate" (doesn't meet EU regulations to be chocolate).

    https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Hersheys-not-popular-in-Europe

    The Hershey Special Dark bars are OK in an emergency, like stranded in
    a life raft or a prison cell.

    Maybe... but I'd have to think carefully about it.

    I won't forgive Hershey for buying Joseph Schmidt Confections and
    killing it.

    Cadbury is mostly inedible. As is Dove.

    Cadbury was better before it was taken over and ruined by Kraft. I think
    to a large extent people think chocolate is whatever they grew up with.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/cadburys-chocolate-fairtrade-fair-trade-mark-farmers-kraft-american-brand-abandoned-promise-a7445826.html

    Dove is a soap brand in the UK https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dove_(Unilever_brand)

    I wouldn't dream of eating it as chocolate.

    I presume like Kenwood Hifi (foodmixers only in UK) the branding is very different in the USA. I don't recall noticing Dove chocolate there.

    --
    Martin Brown

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  • From Phil Hobbs@21:1/5 to john larkin on Tue Dec 10 16:17:30 2024
    john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 10 Dec 2024 09:36:35 +0000, Martin Brown
    <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

    On 10/12/2024 05:02, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Eating dark chocolate linked with reduced risk of type 2 diabetes
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/12/241204183114.htm
    Source:
    Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health
    Summary:
    Consuming dark, but not milk, chocolate may be associated with lower risk of
    developing type 2 diabetes (T2D), according to a new study.

    That is probably because there is comparatively little sugar in >70%
    cocoa solids dark chocolate and mostly expensive natural cocoa butter.

    It is far more likely that consuming the other cheap and nasty stuff
    full of dodgy fats and loads of sugar is *causing* type 2 diabetes.

    I like chocolate up to 85% cocoa solids and I have tasted 90%, 95% and
    100% which are all too bitter for my palate. One of the Xmas lectures
    was on chocolate a few years back. Best high quality chocolate in the
    world includes Swiss, Portuguese, Belgian and Japanese.

    We also had US Hershey bar available to taste - the world's only vomit
    flavoured "chocolate" (doesn't meet EU regulations to be chocolate).

    https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Hersheys-not-popular-in-Europe

    The Hershey Special Dark bars are OK in an emergency, like stranded in
    a life raft or a prison cell.

    I won't forgive Hershey for buying Joseph Schmidt Confections and
    killing it.

    The vomit taste of Hershey bars used to be from the sour milk formula.

    My Hebridean crofter ancestors (Nicolson of Skye) used to prefer drinking
    sour milk, and a lot of butter used to be made from sour cream. (That’s
    why the modern stuff says “sweet cream butter” on the package.)

    Cadbury is mostly inedible. As is Dove.

    Cadbury and Co. licensed their name to Mars or somebody, who aggressively pursue anyone selling the real stuff.

    Ritter Sport, you can still get, and it’s better than Cadbury or Tobler anyway.

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs
    --
    Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

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  • From Don Y@21:1/5 to Martin Brown on Tue Dec 10 10:56:27 2024
    On 12/10/2024 7:43 AM, Martin Brown wrote:
    On 10/12/2024 14:16, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    PS
    the reason I put a question mark in the subject line is that I really hope >> those guys are not confusing cause and effect.
    There was this German prof who showed his students that in the same village >> that had the most storks there were also the most child births.
    So, warned his students that statistics is dangerous and that that does not >> prove storks bring kids.
    I could imagine people with some sort of leaning towards diabetes having less
    desire for chocolate?
    It all depends.

    My favourite in that line of correlation vs causation is length of name vs faintness for asteroids.

    <https://www.datasciencecentral.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/2808309778.png>

    <http://www.tylervigen.com/spurious/correlation/image/4241_popularity-of-the-first-name-sarah_correlates-with_remaining-forest-cover-in-the-brazilian-amazon.png>

    <http://www.tylervigen.com/spurious/correlation/image/2740_masters-degrees-awarded-in-military-technologies_correlates-with_wind-power-generated-in-kazakhstan.png>

    <http://www.tylervigen.com/spurious/correlation/image/3738_solar-power-generated-in-belize_correlates-with_the-number-of-fire-inspectors-in-florida.png>

    Early ones got Greek and Roman Gods names Iris, Juno, Ceres, Vesta etc.

    More recently they are numbered and then named for famous(ish) people:

    2675 Tolkien  (unusually short)

    4015 Wilson–Harrington (unusually long for a low numbered one)

    50719 Elizabethgriffin

    Increasingly they just have discovery numbers and a set of orbital elements saved just in case someone wants to observe them again.

    Finding Earth orbit crossing ones has become something of a growth industry lately since they could pose an existential threat to us.


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  • From john larkin@21:1/5 to pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical. on Tue Dec 10 09:45:35 2024
    On Tue, 10 Dec 2024 16:17:30 -0000 (UTC), Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 10 Dec 2024 09:36:35 +0000, Martin Brown
    <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

    On 10/12/2024 05:02, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Eating dark chocolate linked with reduced risk of type 2 diabetes
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/12/241204183114.htm
    Source:
    Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health
    Summary:
    Consuming dark, but not milk, chocolate may be associated with lower risk of
    developing type 2 diabetes (T2D), according to a new study.

    That is probably because there is comparatively little sugar in >70%
    cocoa solids dark chocolate and mostly expensive natural cocoa butter.

    It is far more likely that consuming the other cheap and nasty stuff
    full of dodgy fats and loads of sugar is *causing* type 2 diabetes.

    I like chocolate up to 85% cocoa solids and I have tasted 90%, 95% and
    100% which are all too bitter for my palate. One of the Xmas lectures
    was on chocolate a few years back. Best high quality chocolate in the
    world includes Swiss, Portuguese, Belgian and Japanese.

    We also had US Hershey bar available to taste - the world's only vomit
    flavoured "chocolate" (doesn't meet EU regulations to be chocolate).

    https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Hersheys-not-popular-in-Europe

    The Hershey Special Dark bars are OK in an emergency, like stranded in
    a life raft or a prison cell.

    I won't forgive Hershey for buying Joseph Schmidt Confections and
    killing it.

    The vomit taste of Hershey bars used to be from the sour milk formula.

    My Hebridean crofter ancestors (Nicolson of Skye) used to prefer drinking >sour milk, and a lot of butter used to be made from sour cream. (Thats
    why the modern stuff says sweet cream butter on the package.)

    Cadbury is mostly inedible. As is Dove.

    Cadbury and Co. licensed their name to Mars or somebody, who aggressively >pursue anyone selling the real stuff.

    Ritter Sport, you can still get, and its better than Cadbury or Tobler >anyway.

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    The dark Ritters are excellent.

    My company has a direct account with Lundt, which is about half the
    price of retail.

    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/7pmkpe7468dgzaatxi50w/Eng_Choc.jpg?rlkey=nmefiui4eqbzfzvhjdhbxcqla&raw=1

    I will buy engineers any stimulants that are arguably legal.

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  • From Joe Gwinn@21:1/5 to '''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk on Tue Dec 10 16:14:28 2024
    On Tue, 10 Dec 2024 16:25:36 +0000, Martin Brown
    <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

    On 10/12/2024 15:51, john larkin wrote:
    On Tue, 10 Dec 2024 09:36:35 +0000, Martin Brown
    <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:


    We also had US Hershey bar available to taste - the world's only vomit
    flavoured "chocolate" (doesn't meet EU regulations to be chocolate).

    https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Hersheys-not-popular-in-Europe

    The Hershey Special Dark bars are OK in an emergency, like stranded in
    a life raft or a prison cell.

    Maybe... but I'd have to think carefully about it.

    I won't forgive Hershey for buying Joseph Schmidt Confections and
    killing it.

    Cadbury is mostly inedible. As is Dove.

    Cadbury was better before it was taken over and ruined by Kraft. I think
    to a large extent people think chocolate is whatever they grew up with.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/cadburys-chocolate-fairtrade-fair-trade-mark-farmers-kraft-american-brand-abandoned-promise-a7445826.html

    Dove is a soap brand in the UK >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dove_(Unilever_brand)

    I wouldn't dream of eating it as chocolate.

    Dove is a soap here as well. Favored by some (mostly women) with dry
    skin, far too greasy for me.


    I presume like Kenwood Hifi (foodmixers only in UK) the branding is very >different in the USA. I don't recall noticing Dove chocolate there.

    Kenwood Hifi foodmixers look a lot like KitchenAid in the US:

    .<https://www.kitchenaid.com/countertop-appliances/stand-mixers.html>

    Maybe they both come from the same factory.

    Joe Gwinn

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Tue Dec 10 21:15:15 2024
    On 2024-12-10 15:16, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    PS
    the reason I put a question mark in the subject line is that I really hope those guys are not confusing cause and effect.
    There was this German prof who showed his students that in the same village that had the most storks there were also the most child births.
    So, warned his students that statistics is dangerous and that that does not prove storks bring kids.
    I could imagine people with some sort of leaning towards diabetes having less desire for chocolate?

    No. I have a craving for pastry and chocolates. Before, while being
    "pre" and after.

    In fact, eating sugarless variants left me hungry and wanted more.

    It all depends.




    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Joerg@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Tue Dec 10 13:47:50 2024
    On 12/9/24 9:02 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Eating dark chocolate linked with reduced risk of type 2 diabetes
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/12/241204183114.htm
    Source:
    Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health
    Summary:
    Consuming dark, but not milk, chocolate may be associated with lower risk of
    developing type 2 diabetes (T2D), according to a new study.


    So that means if I eat a lot of these I'll never become diabetic? :-)

    https://www.vermontcountrystore.com/anthon-berg-single-malt-scotch-chocolate-bottles/product/81584

    I just bought a box. Delicious!

    And yeah, this being the nanny state of California I had to show my
    driver's license before they'd sell me the box.

    --
    Regards, Joerg

    http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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  • From john larkin@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 10 13:51:51 2024
    On Tue, 10 Dec 2024 16:14:28 -0500, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 10 Dec 2024 16:25:36 +0000, Martin Brown
    <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

    On 10/12/2024 15:51, john larkin wrote:
    On Tue, 10 Dec 2024 09:36:35 +0000, Martin Brown
    <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:


    We also had US Hershey bar available to taste - the world's only vomit >>>> flavoured "chocolate" (doesn't meet EU regulations to be chocolate).

    https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Hersheys-not-popular-in-Europe

    The Hershey Special Dark bars are OK in an emergency, like stranded in
    a life raft or a prison cell.

    Maybe... but I'd have to think carefully about it.

    I won't forgive Hershey for buying Joseph Schmidt Confections and
    killing it.

    Cadbury is mostly inedible. As is Dove.

    Cadbury was better before it was taken over and ruined by Kraft. I think
    to a large extent people think chocolate is whatever they grew up with.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/cadburys-chocolate-fairtrade-fair-trade-mark-farmers-kraft-american-brand-abandoned-promise-a7445826.html

    Dove is a soap brand in the UK >>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dove_(Unilever_brand)

    I wouldn't dream of eating it as chocolate.

    Dove is a soap here as well. Favored by some (mostly women) with dry
    skin, far too greasy for me.

    The Dove chocolate tastes greasy too.

    I use Ivory soap, because it's actually soap.

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  • From Don Y@21:1/5 to Martin Brown on Tue Dec 10 14:52:12 2024
    On 12/10/2024 9:25 AM, Martin Brown wrote:
    Dove is a soap brand in the UK https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dove_(Unilever_brand)

    I wouldn't dream of eating it as chocolate.

    There is a "Dove" soap, in the US. But, also a chocolate manufactured
    by "Mars". "Dove bars" (a frozen confection) are the most commonly known
    use of the name other than soap.

    I believe you are allowed to use a name that has a known market IF you
    use it in a distinct OTHER market. E.g., the folks who make Dove
    ice cream products can't go in the soap business (as that would be
    an obvious confusion and harm to the other Dove's brand)

    I presume like Kenwood Hifi (foodmixers only in UK) the branding is very different in the USA. I don't recall noticing Dove chocolate there.

    Kenwood (no "HiFi") makes heavy duty/upscale "stand" mixers.

    Kenwood makes car "stereo" equipment (I think their home market
    is gone). They are now a part of JVC (Victor Corporation of Japan).

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to '''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk on Wed Dec 11 04:40:04 2024
    On a sunny day (Tue, 10 Dec 2024 14:26:01 +0000) it happened Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote in <vj9j1s$108f4$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 10/12/2024 13:23, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Tue, 10 Dec 2024 09:36:35 +0000) it happened Martin Brown
    <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote in <vj9236$t4hr$3@dont-email.me>:

    We also had US Hershey bar available to taste - the world's only vomit
    flavoured "chocolate" (doesn't meet EU regulations to be chocolate).

    https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Hersheys-not-popular-in-Europe

    Do not remember having tried that...

    You would if you had. I try it again about once a decade to see if it is >really as bad as I remember it. Some things like durian fruit and natto
    smell terrible but taste delicious (at least if you like strong tastes
    like very blue cheese). Hershey bars smell bad and taste even worse.

    It used to be only available on US airbases in the UK until recently.
    Now one of the supermarkets, Morrisons has it on the shelves. Doesn't
    really sell to anyone apart from to homesick US expats.

    https://groceries.morrisons.com/products/hershey-s-milk-chocolate/110782496

    Thank you, I am warned!
    Have not seen it here yet...

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to news@analogconsultants.com on Wed Dec 11 04:57:15 2024
    On a sunny day (Tue, 10 Dec 2024 13:47:50 -0800) it happened Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> wrote in <lrrr86F5vjnU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 12/9/24 9:02 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Eating dark chocolate linked with reduced risk of type 2 diabetes
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/12/241204183114.htm
    Source:
    Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health
    Summary:
    Consuming dark, but not milk, chocolate may be associated with lower risk of
    developing type 2 diabetes (T2D), according to a new study.


    So that means if I eat a lot of these I'll never become diabetic? :-)

    https://www.vermontcountrystore.com/anthon-berg-single-malt-scotch-chocolate-bottles/product/81584

    I just bought a box. Delicious!

    And yeah, this being the nanny state of California I had to show my
    driver's license before they'd sell me the box.

    I stopped drinking alcohol in the late seventies.
    Became a veggy too back then.

    I still have a bottle of wine I got as present from those early days somewhere.

    Before that I drank Johnnie Walker whisky ...
    and a lot of other stuff, wine, beer,
    smoked lots of stuff <>, stopped smoking back then too.
    lived above a sherry bar for years...
    Have not really missed it.
    Apple juice, Orange juice, H20, it will do for me.

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  • From john larkin@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 11 02:32:56 2024
    On Wed, 11 Dec 2024 04:57:15 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    On a sunny day (Tue, 10 Dec 2024 13:47:50 -0800) it happened Joerg ><news@analogconsultants.com> wrote in <lrrr86F5vjnU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 12/9/24 9:02 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Eating dark chocolate linked with reduced risk of type 2 diabetes
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/12/241204183114.htm
    Source:
    Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health
    Summary:
    Consuming dark, but not milk, chocolate may be associated with lower risk of
    developing type 2 diabetes (T2D), according to a new study.


    So that means if I eat a lot of these I'll never become diabetic? :-)
    https://www.vermontcountrystore.com/anthon-berg-single-malt-scotch-chocolate-bottles/product/81584

    I just bought a box. Delicious!

    And yeah, this being the nanny state of California I had to show my >>driver's license before they'd sell me the box.

    I stopped drinking alcohol in the late seventies.
    Became a veggy too back then.

    I still have a bottle of wine I got as present from those early days somewhere.

    Before that I drank Johnnie Walker whisky ...
    and a lot of other stuff, wine, beer,
    smoked lots of stuff <>, stopped smoking back then too.
    lived above a sherry bar for years...
    Have not really missed it.
    Apple juice, Orange juice, H20, it will do for me.

    Last night Mo and I were feeling especially wild, so we split a beer.

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  • From Martin Brown@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Wed Dec 11 10:59:58 2024
    On 11/12/2024 04:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Tue, 10 Dec 2024 14:26:01 +0000) it happened Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote in <vj9j1s$108f4$1@dont-email.me>:

    It used to be only available on US airbases in the UK until recently.
    Now one of the supermarkets, Morrisons has it on the shelves. Doesn't
    really sell to anyone apart from to homesick US expats.

    https://groceries.morrisons.com/products/hershey-s-milk-chocolate/110782496

    Thank you, I am warned!
    Have not seen it here yet...

    It is definitely the sort of thing that you should try once.

    I enjoyed durian fruit but people sat near me afterwards didn't, and I developed quite a taste for natto when I lived in Japan. (think baked
    beans and evo-stick mixed in equal measure smelling of dustbin).

    The only "delicacy" I encountered in Japan that I ate to win the bet but
    would not want to repeat was a local Bombay duck type fermented dried
    rubbery fish thing on the Ise Peninsular. I forget its name now.

    --
    Martin Brown

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  • From legg@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 11 08:43:31 2024
    On Tue, 10 Dec 2024 05:02:33 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    Eating dark chocolate linked with reduced risk of type 2 diabetes
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/12/241204183114.htm
    Source:
    Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health
    Summary:
    Consuming dark, but not milk, chocolate may be associated with lower risk of developing type 2 diabetes (T2D), according to a new study.

    Last week it was cancer.

    My favorite was 'rancid pepper oil causing prostate cancer'

    Someone must have cornered the market on pepper grinders, before
    putting that one out.

    RL

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  • From Gerhard Hoffmann@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 11 15:13:56 2024
    Am 11.12.24 um 11:59 schrieb Martin Brown:

    It is definitely the sort of thing that you should try once.

    I enjoyed durian fruit but people sat near me afterwards didn't,


    An Indonesian-Chinese friend once told me that it is forbidden
    to carry durian in public transportation in Singapore.
    The taste of it was ok, the smell not so.

    cheers, Gerhard

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  • From Don Y@21:1/5 to Gerhard Hoffmann on Wed Dec 11 07:34:09 2024
    On 12/11/2024 7:13 AM, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:
    Am 11.12.24 um 11:59 schrieb Martin Brown:

    It is definitely the sort of thing that you should try once.

    I enjoyed durian fruit but people sat near me afterwards didn't,


    An Indonesian-Chinese friend once told me that it is forbidden
    to carry durian in public transportation in Singapore.
    The taste of it was ok, the smell not so.

    My favorite cheese is like that. When I am back east, I
    will buy ~10 pounds of it. Then, wrap it in alternating
    layers of plastic wrap, newspaper and tin foil to keep
    the scent from leaking out.

    It's a hassle if some over-zealous security guy decides
    the "foil wrapped packages" look suspicious and wants them
    unwrapped in order to pass through the security checkpoint
    at the airport...

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to legg@nospam.magma.ca on Wed Dec 11 14:43:23 2024
    On a sunny day (Wed, 11 Dec 2024 08:43:31 -0500) it happened legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote in <kk5jljp83iqqna7u7amm5vq6qeco0d5eu1@4ax.com>:

    On Tue, 10 Dec 2024 05:02:33 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    Eating dark chocolate linked with reduced risk of type 2 diabetes
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/12/241204183114.htm
    Source:
    Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health
    Summary:
    Consuming dark, but not milk, chocolate may be associated with lower risk of
    developing type 2 diabetes (T2D), according to a new study.

    Last week it was cancer.

    My favorite was 'rancid pepper oil causing prostate cancer'

    Someone must have cornered the market on pepper grinders, before
    putting that one out.

    Yes, that makes sense too.

    And electric cars saving the planet

    :-)

    But OK, maybe there is actualy some truth in it The chocolate thing).
    This facinated me too:
    New gene therapy reverses heart failure in large animal model:
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/12/241210115612.htm
    Date:
    December 10, 2024
    Source:
    University of Utah Health
    If that really works many people could be cured!

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  • From john larkin@21:1/5 to legg on Wed Dec 11 10:51:44 2024
    On Wed, 11 Dec 2024 08:43:31 -0500, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:

    On Tue, 10 Dec 2024 05:02:33 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    Eating dark chocolate linked with reduced risk of type 2 diabetes
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/12/241204183114.htm
    Source:
    Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health
    Summary:
    Consuming dark, but not milk, chocolate may be associated with lower risk of
    developing type 2 diabetes (T2D), according to a new study.

    Last week it was cancer.

    My favorite was 'rancid pepper oil causing prostate cancer'

    Bummer. That was one of my favorite ingredients.

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  • From legg@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 12 08:54:13 2024
    On Wed, 11 Dec 2024 10:51:44 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 11 Dec 2024 08:43:31 -0500, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:

    On Tue, 10 Dec 2024 05:02:33 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>wrote:

    Eating dark chocolate linked with reduced risk of type 2 diabetes
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/12/241204183114.htm
    Source:
    Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health
    Summary:
    Consuming dark, but not milk, chocolate may be associated with lower risk of
    developing type 2 diabetes (T2D), according to a new study.

    Last week it was cancer.

    My favorite was 'rancid pepper oil causing prostate cancer'

    Bummer. That was one of my favorite ingredients.


    . . . and was the big tell in the news story. It's not
    a commodity that's measurable, nor is there any possibility
    of statistically valid control groups.

    I've always wondered how it got past the broadcaster's
    stink test. CBC

    RL

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  • From Phil Hobbs@21:1/5 to legg on Thu Dec 12 14:11:39 2024
    legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
    On Wed, 11 Dec 2024 10:51:44 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 11 Dec 2024 08:43:31 -0500, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:

    On Tue, 10 Dec 2024 05:02:33 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    Eating dark chocolate linked with reduced risk of type 2 diabetes
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/12/241204183114.htm
    Source:
    Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health
    Summary:
    Consuming dark, but not milk, chocolate may be associated with lower risk of
    developing type 2 diabetes (T2D), according to a new study.

    Last week it was cancer.

    My favorite was 'rancid pepper oil causing prostate cancer'

    Bummer. That was one of my favorite ingredients.


    . . . and was the big tell in the news story. It's not
    a commodity that's measurable, nor is there any possibility
    of statistically valid control groups.

    I've always wondered how it got past the broadcaster's
    stink test. CBC

    RL


    You answered your own question!

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    --
    Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

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