Oscilloscope Delivers 25-GHz Bandwidth on Four Channels
https://www.electronicdesign.com/technologies/test-measurement/oscilloscopes/article/55247306/electronic-design-pico-technology-oscilloscope-delivers-25-ghz-bandwidth-on-four-channels
Pico Technology expanded its PicoScope 9400 Series with the PicoScope 9404A-25, a high-performance oscilloscope with 25 GHz of bandwidth on
four channels. The company's Sampler-Extended Real-Time Oscilloscope
(SXRTO) technology integrates real-time acquisition with sampling oscilloscope capabilities. Thus, the scope can trigger directly on the
signal while recording pre-trigger data, with the high time and amplitude resolution of a sampling scope.
https://www.electronicdesign.com/techxchange/article/55238271/advanced-oscilloscope-techniques
https://www.picotech.com/products/oscilloscope/picoscope-9000-series/picoscope-9400a-series-sampler-extended-real-time-oscilloscope
Only 25,645 ?
For the real audiophiles!!
Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
Oscilloscope Delivers 25-GHz Bandwidth on Four Channels
https://www.electronicdesign.com/technologies/test-measurement/oscilloscopes/article/55247306/electronic-design-pico-technology-oscilloscope-delivers-25-ghz-bandwidth-on-four-channels
Pico Technology expanded its PicoScope 9400 Series with the PicoScope
9404A-25, a high-performance oscilloscope with 25 GHz of bandwidth on
four channels. The company's Sampler-Extended Real-Time Oscilloscope
(SXRTO) technology integrates real-time acquisition with sampling
oscilloscope capabilities. Thus, the scope can trigger directly on the
signal while recording pre-trigger data, with the high time and amplitude
resolution of a sampling scope.
https://www.electronicdesign.com/techxchange/article/55238271/advanced-oscilloscope-techniques
https://www.picotech.com/products/oscilloscope/picoscope-9000-series/picoscope-9400a-series-sampler-extended-real-time-oscilloscope
Only 25,645 ?
For the real audiophiles!!
Pretty cool gizmo!
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
Oscilloscope Delivers 25-GHz Bandwidth on Four Channelsacquisition with sampling oscilloscope capabilities. Thus, the scope can trigger directly on the signal while recording pre-trigger data, with the high time and amplitude resolution of a sampling scope.
https://www.electronicdesign.com/technologies/test-measurement/oscilloscopes/article/55247306/electronic-design-pico-technology-oscilloscope-delivers-25-ghz-bandwidth-on-four-channels
Pico Technology expanded its PicoScope 9400 Series with the PicoScope 9404A-25, a high-performance oscilloscope with 25 GHz of bandwidth on four channels. The company's Sampler-Extended Real-Time Oscilloscope (SXRTO) technology integrates real-time
https://www.electronicdesign.com/techxchange/article/55238271/advanced-oscilloscope-techniques
https://www.picotech.com/products/oscilloscope/picoscope-9000-series/picoscope-9400a-series-sampler-extended-real-time-oscilloscope
Only 25,645 ?
For the real audiophiles!!
On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 12:27:04 -0000 (UTC), Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
Oscilloscope Delivers 25-GHz Bandwidth on Four Channels
https://www.electronicdesign.com/technologies/test-measurement/oscilloscopes/article/55247306/electronic-design-pico-technology-oscilloscope-delivers-25-ghz-bandwidth-on-four-channels
Pico Technology expanded its PicoScope 9400 Series with the PicoScope
9404A-25, a high-performance oscilloscope with 25 GHz of bandwidth on
four channels. The company's Sampler-Extended Real-Time Oscilloscope
(SXRTO) technology integrates real-time acquisition with sampling
oscilloscope capabilities. Thus, the scope can trigger directly on the
signal while recording pre-trigger data, with the high time and amplitude >>> resolution of a sampling scope.
https://www.electronicdesign.com/techxchange/article/55238271/advanced-oscilloscope-techniques
https://www.picotech.com/products/oscilloscope/picoscope-9000-series/picoscope-9400a-series-sampler-extended-real-time-oscilloscope
Only 25,645 ?
For the real audiophiles!!
Pretty cool gizmo!
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
Tek did a random sampling plugin for their 7000 series scopes, the
7T11 I think. Sounds like the same idea.
I want one, but the price is extreme. There's probably not much
inside.
On 12/5/24 15:36, john larkin wrote:
On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 12:27:04 -0000 (UTC), Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
Oscilloscope Delivers 25-GHz Bandwidth on Four Channels
https://www.electronicdesign.com/technologies/test-measurement/oscilloscopes/article/55247306/electronic-design-pico-technology-oscilloscope-delivers-25-ghz-bandwidth-on-four-channels
Pico Technology expanded its PicoScope 9400 Series with the PicoScope
9404A-25, a high-performance oscilloscope with 25 GHz of bandwidth on
four channels. The company's Sampler-Extended Real-Time Oscilloscope
(SXRTO) technology integrates real-time acquisition with sampling
oscilloscope capabilities. Thus, the scope can trigger directly on the >>>> signal while recording pre-trigger data, with the high time and amplitude >>>> resolution of a sampling scope.
https://www.electronicdesign.com/techxchange/article/55238271/advanced-oscilloscope-techniques
https://www.picotech.com/products/oscilloscope/picoscope-9000-series/picoscope-9400a-series-sampler-extended-real-time-oscilloscope
Only 25,645 ?
For the real audiophiles!!
Pretty cool gizmo!
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
Tek did a random sampling plugin for their 7000 series scopes, the
7T11 I think. Sounds like the same idea.
I want one, but the price is extreme. There's probably not much
inside.
The 7T11 did a sawtooth scan to sweep a 7S11 sampling unit (with
sampler plug-in) across some time interval. With an S-6 plug-in,
it would do 30ps risetime, which was fast enough for my needs.
This was 1970's equipment, pretty good for the time.
I was very happy when I realized it was possible to drive the
7T11 with a VME DAC and measure the output of the 7S11 with an ADC
in the same crate. That gave me the ability to get traces with
an effective 10GHz bandwidth directly into my PC, and to average
the noise way down, if so desired. No more polaroid pictures of
a fuzzy trace on the scope screen. Real data I could process to
my heart's content, and with much better resolution too.
I loved that piece of equipment. Tektronix were the best in that
era.
Jeroen Belleman
On 12/5/24 11:31, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Oscilloscope Delivers 25-GHz Bandwidth on Four Channels
https://www.electronicdesign.com/technologies/test-measurement/oscilloscopes/article/55247306/electronic-design-pico-technology-oscilloscope-delivers-25-ghz-bandwidth-on-four-channels
Pico Technology expanded its PicoScope 9400 Series with the PicoScope 9404A-25, a high-performance oscilloscope with 25 GHz of
bandwidth on four channels. The company's Sampler-Extended Real-Time Oscilloscope (SXRTO) technology integrates real-time
acquisition with sampling oscilloscope capabilities. Thus, the scope can trigger directly on the signal while recording pre-trigger
data, with the high time and amplitude resolution of a sampling scope.
https://www.electronicdesign.com/techxchange/article/55238271/advanced-oscilloscope-techniques
https://www.picotech.com/products/oscilloscope/picoscope-9000-series/picoscope-9400a-series-sampler-extended-real-time-oscilloscope
Only 25,645 ?
For the real audiophiles!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXYje2B04xE
110GHz bandwidth, 256GS/s four channels, only ~$2M
On a sunny day (Fri, 6 Dec 2024 17:59:30 +0100) it happened Lasse Langwadt <llc@fonz.dk> wrote in <vivahi$2etnj$2@dont-email.me>:
On 12/5/24 11:31, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Oscilloscope Delivers 25-GHz Bandwidth on Four Channels
https://www.electronicdesign.com/technologies/test-measurement/oscilloscopes/article/55247306/electronic-design-pico-technology-oscilloscope-delivers-25-ghz-bandwidth-on-four-channels
Pico Technology expanded its PicoScope 9400 Series with the PicoScope 9404A-25, a high-performance oscilloscope with 25 GHz of
bandwidth on four channels. The company's Sampler-Extended Real-Time Oscilloscope (SXRTO) technology integrates real-time
acquisition with sampling oscilloscope capabilities. Thus, the scope can trigger directly on the signal while recording pre-trigger
data, with the high time and amplitude resolution of a sampling scope.
https://www.electronicdesign.com/techxchange/article/55238271/advanced-oscilloscope-techniques
https://www.picotech.com/products/oscilloscope/picoscope-9000-series/picoscope-9400a-series-sampler-extended-real-time-oscilloscope
Only 25,645 ?
For the real audiophiles!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXYje2B04xE
110GHz bandwidth, 256GS/s four channels, only ~$2M
https://www.keysight.com/us/en/product/UXR1102A/infiniium-uxr-series-oscilloscope-110-ghz-2-channels.html
When I want to see 10 GHz signals I use an old 5 dollar LNB and downconvert to about 1 GHz...
that into a 35 dollar RTL_SDR stick.
I know it is not the same, but 100 GHz downconvert should not cost hat much more
At higher frequencies lasers into non linear crystals as mixer?
From the 1.999 M$ left buy a nice house?
On 07-12-2024 07:00, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 6 Dec 2024 17:59:30 +0100) it happened Lasse Langwadt >> <llc@fonz.dk> wrote in <vivahi$2etnj$2@dont-email.me>:Very nice idea, but that will work only for sinusoidal signals, right?
On 12/5/24 11:31, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Oscilloscope Delivers 25-GHz Bandwidth on Four Channels
https://www.electronicdesign.com/technologies/test-measurement/oscilloscopes/article/55247306/electronic-design-pico-technology-oscilloscope-delivers-25-ghz-bandwidth-on-four-channels
Pico Technology expanded its PicoScope 9400 Series with the PicoScope 9404A-25, a high-performance oscilloscope with 25 GHz
of
bandwidth on four channels. The company's Sampler-Extended Real-Time Oscilloscope (SXRTO) technology integrates real-time
acquisition with sampling oscilloscope capabilities. Thus, the scope can trigger directly on the signal while recording
pre-trigger
data, with the high time and amplitude resolution of a sampling scope. >>>>
https://www.electronicdesign.com/techxchange/article/55238271/advanced-oscilloscope-techniques
https://www.picotech.com/products/oscilloscope/picoscope-9000-series/picoscope-9400a-series-sampler-extended-real-time-oscilloscope
Only 25,645 ?
For the real audiophiles!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXYje2B04xE
110GHz bandwidth, 256GS/s four channels, only ~$2M
https://www.keysight.com/us/en/product/UXR1102A/infiniium-uxr-series-oscilloscope-110-ghz-2-channels.html
When I want to see 10 GHz signals I use an old 5 dollar LNB and downconvert to about 1 GHz...
that into a 35 dollar RTL_SDR stick.
I know it is not the same, but 100 GHz downconvert should not cost hat much more
At higher frequencies lasers into non linear crystals as mixer?
From the 1.999 M$ left buy a nice house?
On 07-12-2024 07:00, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 6 Dec 2024 17:59:30 +0100) it happened Lasse Langwadt >> <llc@fonz.dk> wrote in <vivahi$2etnj$2@dont-email.me>:Very nice idea, but that will work only for sinusoidal signals, right?
On 12/5/24 11:31, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Oscilloscope Delivers 25-GHz Bandwidth on Four Channels
https://www.electronicdesign.com/technologies/test-measurement/oscilloscopes/article/55247306/electronic-design-pico-technology-oscilloscope-delivers-25-ghz-bandwidth-on-four-channels
Pico Technology expanded its PicoScope 9400 Series with the PicoScope 9404A-25, a high-performance oscilloscope with 25 GHz of
bandwidth on four channels. The company's Sampler-Extended Real-Time Oscilloscope (SXRTO) technology integrates real-time
acquisition with sampling oscilloscope capabilities. Thus, the scope can trigger directly on the signal while recording pre-trigger
data, with the high time and amplitude resolution of a sampling scope. >>>>
https://www.electronicdesign.com/techxchange/article/55238271/advanced-oscilloscope-techniques
https://www.picotech.com/products/oscilloscope/picoscope-9000-series/picoscope-9400a-series-sampler-extended-real-time-oscilloscope
Only 25,645 ?
For the real audiophiles!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXYje2B04xE
110GHz bandwidth, 256GS/s four channels, only ~$2M
https://www.keysight.com/us/en/product/UXR1102A/infiniium-uxr-series-oscilloscope-110-ghz-2-channels.html
When I want to see 10 GHz signals I use an old 5 dollar LNB and downconvert to about 1 GHz...
that into a 35 dollar RTL_SDR stick.
I know it is not the same, but 100 GHz downconvert should not cost hat much more
At higher frequencies lasers into non linear crystals as mixer?
From the 1.999 M$ left buy a nice house?
On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 12:11:47 +0100, Klaus Vestergaard Kragelund <klauskvik@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 07-12-2024 07:00, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 6 Dec 2024 17:59:30 +0100) it happened Lasse Langwadt >>> <llc@fonz.dk> wrote in <vivahi$2etnj$2@dont-email.me>:Very nice idea, but that will work only for sinusoidal signals, right?
On 12/5/24 11:31, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Oscilloscope Delivers 25-GHz Bandwidth on Four Channels
https://www.electronicdesign.com/technologies/test-measurement/oscilloscopes/article/55247306/electronic-design-pico-technology-oscilloscope-delivers-25-ghz-bandwidth-on-four-channels
Pico Technology expanded its PicoScope 9400 Series with the PicoScope 9404A-25, a high-performance oscilloscope with 25 GHz of
bandwidth on four channels. The company's Sampler-Extended Real-Time Oscilloscope (SXRTO) technology integrates real-time
acquisition with sampling oscilloscope capabilities. Thus, the scope can trigger directly on the signal while recording pre-trigger
data, with the high time and amplitude resolution of a sampling scope. >>>>>
https://www.electronicdesign.com/techxchange/article/55238271/advanced-oscilloscope-techniques
https://www.picotech.com/products/oscilloscope/picoscope-9000-series/picoscope-9400a-series-sampler-extended-real-time-oscilloscope
Only 25,645 ?
For the real audiophiles!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXYje2B04xE
110GHz bandwidth, 256GS/s four channels, only ~$2M
https://www.keysight.com/us/en/product/UXR1102A/infiniium-uxr-series-oscilloscope-110-ghz-2-channels.html
When I want to see 10 GHz signals I use an old 5 dollar LNB and downconvert to about 1 GHz...
that into a 35 dollar RTL_SDR stick.
I know it is not the same, but 100 GHz downconvert should not cost hat much more
At higher frequencies lasers into non linear crystals as mixer?
From the 1.999 M$ left buy a nice house?
There were some superhet oscilloscopes that split the input signal
into bands with RF techniques, namely downconverting bands and
digitizing them, then somehow putting that mess back together
mathematically. Of course, one was a LeCroy.
Integrated shockline samplers killed that idea.
But 100 GHz electrical signals barely exist, so the market is small
for those megabuck scopes.
On 12/8/24 16:53, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 12:11:47 +0100, Klaus Vestergaard Kragelund
<klauskvik@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 07-12-2024 07:00, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 6 Dec 2024 17:59:30 +0100) it happened Lasse Langwadt >>>> <llc@fonz.dk> wrote in <vivahi$2etnj$2@dont-email.me>:Very nice idea, but that will work only for sinusoidal signals, right?
On 12/5/24 11:31, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Oscilloscope Delivers 25-GHz Bandwidth on Four Channels
https://www.electronicdesign.com/technologies/test-measurement/oscilloscopes/article/55247306/electronic-design-pico-technology-oscilloscope-delivers-25-ghz-bandwidth-on-four-channels
Pico Technology expanded its PicoScope 9400 Series with the PicoScope 9404A-25, a high-performance oscilloscope with 25 GHz of
bandwidth on four channels. The company's Sampler-Extended Real-Time Oscilloscope (SXRTO) technology integrates real-time
acquisition with sampling oscilloscope capabilities. Thus, the scope can trigger directly on the signal while recording pre-trigger
data, with the high time and amplitude resolution of a sampling scope. >>>>>>
https://www.electronicdesign.com/techxchange/article/55238271/advanced-oscilloscope-techniques
https://www.picotech.com/products/oscilloscope/picoscope-9000-series/picoscope-9400a-series-sampler-extended-real-time-oscilloscope
Only 25,645 ?
For the real audiophiles!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXYje2B04xE
110GHz bandwidth, 256GS/s four channels, only ~$2M
https://www.keysight.com/us/en/product/UXR1102A/infiniium-uxr-series-oscilloscope-110-ghz-2-channels.html
When I want to see 10 GHz signals I use an old 5 dollar LNB and downconvert to about 1 GHz...
that into a 35 dollar RTL_SDR stick.
I know it is not the same, but 100 GHz downconvert should not cost hat much more
At higher frequencies lasers into non linear crystals as mixer?
From the 1.999 M$ left buy a nice house?
There were some superhet oscilloscopes that split the input signal
into bands with RF techniques, namely downconverting bands and
digitizing them, then somehow putting that mess back together
mathematically. Of course, one was a LeCroy.
Integrated shockline samplers killed that idea.
But 100 GHz electrical signals barely exist, so the market is small
for those megabuck scopes.
I should be possible to abuse a cheap fast latched comparator as
a sampler with ~10GHz bandwidth or so. Something like an ADCMP580.
Jeroen Belleman
On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 18:26:07 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 12/8/24 16:53, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 12:11:47 +0100, Klaus Vestergaard Kragelund
<klauskvik@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 07-12-2024 07:00, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 6 Dec 2024 17:59:30 +0100) it happened Lasse LangwadtVery nice idea, but that will work only for sinusoidal signals, right?
<llc@fonz.dk> wrote in <vivahi$2etnj$2@dont-email.me>:
On 12/5/24 11:31, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Oscilloscope Delivers 25-GHz Bandwidth on Four Channels
https://www.electronicdesign.com/technologies/test-measurement/oscilloscopes/article/55247306/electronic-design-pico-technology-oscilloscope-delivers-25-ghz-bandwidth-on-four-channels
Pico Technology expanded its PicoScope 9400 Series with the
PicoScope 9404A-25, a high-performance oscilloscope with 25 GHz of >>>>>>> bandwidth on four channels. The company's Sampler-Extended
Real-Time Oscilloscope (SXRTO) technology integrates real-time
acquisition with sampling oscilloscope capabilities. Thus, the
scope can trigger directly on the signal while recording pre-trigger >>>>>>> data, with the high time and amplitude resolution of a sampling scope. >>>>>>>
https://www.electronicdesign.com/techxchange/article/55238271/advanced-oscilloscope-techniques
https://www.picotech.com/products/oscilloscope/picoscope-9000-series/picoscope-9400a-series-sampler-extended-real-time-oscilloscope
Only 25,645 ?
For the real audiophiles!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXYje2B04xE
110GHz bandwidth, 256GS/s four channels, only ~$2M
https://www.keysight.com/us/en/product/UXR1102A/infiniium-uxr-series-oscilloscope-110-ghz-2-channels.html
When I want to see 10 GHz signals I use an old 5 dollar LNB and
downconvert to about 1 GHz...
that into a 35 dollar RTL_SDR stick.
I know it is not the same, but 100 GHz downconvert should not cost hat much more
At higher frequencies lasers into non linear crystals as mixer?
From the 1.999 M$ left buy a nice house?
There were some superhet oscilloscopes that split the input signal
into bands with RF techniques, namely downconverting bands and
digitizing them, then somehow putting that mess back together
mathematically. Of course, one was a LeCroy.
Integrated shockline samplers killed that idea.
But 100 GHz electrical signals barely exist, so the market is small
for those megabuck scopes.
I should be possible to abuse a cheap fast latched comparator as
a sampler with ~10GHz bandwidth or so. Something like an ADCMP580.
Jeroen Belleman
I've done that and have a PCB, TDR actually. It seemed to work but I
haven't had much time to play with it.
Does anyone want to take over and see how well it actually works? I
guess it could become a product.
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/y88pcdjfd0qovxmpfizwu/Z368.JPG?rlkey=fu4bng7i34yjbol7s1npapp8x&raw=1
It's one of those tiles.
On 08/12/2024 13:08, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 8 Dec 2024 12:11:47 +0100) it happened Klaus Vestergaard
Kragelund <klauskvik@hotmail.com> wrote in <vj3utj$3oine$1@dont-email.me>: >>
On 07-12-2024 07:00, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 6 Dec 2024 17:59:30 +0100) it happened Lasse Langwadt >>>> <llc@fonz.dk> wrote in <vivahi$2etnj$2@dont-email.me>:Very nice idea, but that will work only for sinusoidal signals, right?
On 12/5/24 11:31, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Oscilloscope Delivers 25-GHz Bandwidth on Four Channels
https://www.electronicdesign.com/technologies/test-measurement/oscilloscopes/article/55247306/electronic-design-pico-technology-oscilloscope-delivers-25-ghz-bandwidth-on-four-channels
Pico Technology expanded its PicoScope 9400 Series with the PicoScope 9404A-25, a high-performance oscilloscope with 25
GHz
of
bandwidth on four channels. The company's Sampler-Extended Real-Time Oscilloscope (SXRTO) technology integrates real-time
acquisition with sampling oscilloscope capabilities. Thus, the scope can trigger directly on the signal while recording
pre-trigger
data, with the high time and amplitude resolution of a sampling scope. >>>>>>
https://www.electronicdesign.com/techxchange/article/55238271/advanced-oscilloscope-techniques
https://www.picotech.com/products/oscilloscope/picoscope-9000-series/picoscope-9400a-series-sampler-extended-real-time-oscilloscope
Only 25,645 ?
For the real audiophiles!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXYje2B04xE
110GHz bandwidth, 256GS/s four channels, only ~$2M
https://www.keysight.com/us/en/product/UXR1102A/infiniium-uxr-series-oscilloscope-110-ghz-2-channels.html
When I want to see 10 GHz signals I use an old 5 dollar LNB and downconvert to about 1 GHz...
that into a 35 dollar RTL_SDR stick.
I know it is not the same, but 100 GHz downconvert should not cost hat much more
At higher frequencies lasers into non linear crystals as mixer?
From the 1.999 M$ left buy a nice house?
Well, any complex wafeform can be shown to consist of sinusoidal harmonic components.
I have used FFT and than removing a spectral line and then a reverse FFT for video processing...
not in real time though... All depends on bandwith.
I mean if you have a 100 GHz signal and want the _waveform_ of that signal you will need to be able to see higher harmonics
than that
up to 1000 GHz for the tenths harmonics.
But if it is a repeating signal you could mix down and get the amplitude for each harmonics...
and then reconstruct the waveform from that
Yes, but you do also need to keep track of phase in order to
reconstruct the waveform.
john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 18:26:07 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 12/8/24 16:53, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 12:11:47 +0100, Klaus Vestergaard Kragelund
<klauskvik@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 07-12-2024 07:00, Jan Panteltje wrote:There were some superhet oscilloscopes that split the input signal
On a sunny day (Fri, 6 Dec 2024 17:59:30 +0100) it happened Lasse LangwadtVery nice idea, but that will work only for sinusoidal signals, right? >>>>
<llc@fonz.dk> wrote in <vivahi$2etnj$2@dont-email.me>:
On 12/5/24 11:31, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Oscilloscope Delivers 25-GHz Bandwidth on Four Channels
https://www.electronicdesign.com/technologies/test-measurement/oscilloscopes/article/55247306/electronic-design-pico-technology-oscilloscope-delivers-25-ghz-bandwidth-on-four-channels
Pico Technology expanded its PicoScope 9400 Series with the
PicoScope 9404A-25, a high-performance oscilloscope with 25 GHz of >>>>>>>> bandwidth on four channels. The company's Sampler-Extended
Real-Time Oscilloscope (SXRTO) technology integrates real-time >>>>>>>> acquisition with sampling oscilloscope capabilities. Thus, the >>>>>>>> scope can trigger directly on the signal while recording pre-trigger >>>>>>>> data, with the high time and amplitude resolution of a sampling scope. >>>>>>>>
https://www.electronicdesign.com/techxchange/article/55238271/advanced-oscilloscope-techniques
https://www.picotech.com/products/oscilloscope/picoscope-9000-series/picoscope-9400a-series-sampler-extended-real-time-oscilloscope
Only 25,645 ?
For the real audiophiles!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXYje2B04xE
110GHz bandwidth, 256GS/s four channels, only ~$2M
https://www.keysight.com/us/en/product/UXR1102A/infiniium-uxr-series-oscilloscope-110-ghz-2-channels.html
When I want to see 10 GHz signals I use an old 5 dollar LNB and
downconvert to about 1 GHz...
that into a 35 dollar RTL_SDR stick.
I know it is not the same, but 100 GHz downconvert should not cost hat much more
At higher frequencies lasers into non linear crystals as mixer?
From the 1.999 M$ left buy a nice house?
into bands with RF techniques, namely downconverting bands and
digitizing them, then somehow putting that mess back together
mathematically. Of course, one was a LeCroy.
Integrated shockline samplers killed that idea.
But 100 GHz electrical signals barely exist, so the market is small
for those megabuck scopes.
I should be possible to abuse a cheap fast latched comparator as
a sampler with ~10GHz bandwidth or so. Something like an ADCMP580.
Jeroen Belleman
I've done that and have a PCB, TDR actually. It seemed to work but I
haven't had much time to play with it.
Does anyone want to take over and see how well it actually works? I
guess it could become a product.
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/y88pcdjfd0qovxmpfizwu/Z368.JPG?rlkey=fu4bng7i34yjbol7s1npapp8x&raw=1
It's one of those tiles.
Simon and I are just finishing up a TDR gizmo for measuring soil moisture
and salinity vs depth for an ag customer. It’s a 150-ps-class device, which is much better than good enough for the application, and we’re getting the first 20 fully-stuffed boards for $23 each from JLCPCB,
including the data converters, MCU, voltage regulators, as well as the TDR proper.
It uses a two-diode sampler, which avoids the major pain of sampler design, the need to match diodes. Of course it has horrible kickout, but that’s perfectly okay in this situation.
Fun gizmo.
On 08-12-2024 21:41, Phil Hobbs wrote:
john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 18:26:07 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 12/8/24 16:53, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 12:11:47 +0100, Klaus Vestergaard Kragelund
<klauskvik@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 07-12-2024 07:00, Jan Panteltje wrote:There were some superhet oscilloscopes that split the input signal
On a sunny day (Fri, 6 Dec 2024 17:59:30 +0100) it happened Lasse LangwadtVery nice idea, but that will work only for sinusoidal signals, right? >>>>>
<llc@fonz.dk> wrote in <vivahi$2etnj$2@dont-email.me>:
On 12/5/24 11:31, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Oscilloscope Delivers 25-GHz Bandwidth on Four Channels
https://www.electronicdesign.com/technologies/test-measurement/oscilloscopes/article/55247306/electronic-design-pico-technology-oscilloscope-delivers-25-ghz-bandwidth-on-four-channels
Pico Technology expanded its PicoScope 9400 Series with the
PicoScope 9404A-25, a high-performance oscilloscope with 25 GHz of >>>>>>>>> bandwidth on four channels. The company's Sampler-Extended
Real-Time Oscilloscope (SXRTO) technology integrates real-time >>>>>>>>> acquisition with sampling oscilloscope capabilities. Thus, the >>>>>>>>> scope can trigger directly on the signal while recording pre-trigger >>>>>>>>> data, with the high time and amplitude resolution of a sampling scope.
https://www.electronicdesign.com/techxchange/article/55238271/advanced-oscilloscope-techniques
https://www.picotech.com/products/oscilloscope/picoscope-9000-series/picoscope-9400a-series-sampler-extended-real-time-oscilloscope
Only 25,645 ?
For the real audiophiles!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXYje2B04xE
110GHz bandwidth, 256GS/s four channels, only ~$2M
https://www.keysight.com/us/en/product/UXR1102A/infiniium-uxr-series-oscilloscope-110-ghz-2-channels.html
When I want to see 10 GHz signals I use an old 5 dollar LNB and
downconvert to about 1 GHz...
that into a 35 dollar RTL_SDR stick.
I know it is not the same, but 100 GHz downconvert should not cost hat much more
At higher frequencies lasers into non linear crystals as mixer?
From the 1.999 M$ left buy a nice house?
into bands with RF techniques, namely downconverting bands and
digitizing them, then somehow putting that mess back together
mathematically. Of course, one was a LeCroy.
Integrated shockline samplers killed that idea.
But 100 GHz electrical signals barely exist, so the market is small
for those megabuck scopes.
I should be possible to abuse a cheap fast latched comparator as
a sampler with ~10GHz bandwidth or so. Something like an ADCMP580.
Jeroen Belleman
I've done that and have a PCB, TDR actually. It seemed to work but I
haven't had much time to play with it.
Does anyone want to take over and see how well it actually works? I
guess it could become a product.
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/y88pcdjfd0qovxmpfizwu/Z368.JPG?rlkey=fu4bng7i34yjbol7s1npapp8x&raw=1
It's one of those tiles.
Simon and I are just finishing up a TDR gizmo for measuring soil moisture
and salinity vs depth for an ag customer. It’s a 150-ps-class device,
which is much better than good enough for the application, and we’re
getting the first 20 fully-stuffed boards for $23 each from JLCPCB,
including the data converters, MCU, voltage regulators, as well as the TDR >> proper.
It uses a two-diode sampler, which avoids the major pain of sampler design, >> the need to match diodes. Of course it has horrible kickout, but that’s
perfectly okay in this situation.
Fun gizmo.
At an earlier employment a proposal was made to include a TDR into a
product, to be able to preventive warn of cable faults or even motor
winding shorts.
Then a RF engineer, one that I never liked much, took the brute force approach using a GHz sampling ADC, costing hundreds of dollars per
product (would effectively kill the idea). He said it could not be done
in any other way.
I then made a diode sampler, with a sliding picosecond STM32 timer, and
made it for 10 USD instead :-)
Klaus Vestergaard Kragelund <klauskvik@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 08-12-2024 21:41, Phil Hobbs wrote:
john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 18:26:07 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 12/8/24 16:53, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 12:11:47 +0100, Klaus Vestergaard Kragelund
<klauskvik@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 07-12-2024 07:00, Jan Panteltje wrote:There were some superhet oscilloscopes that split the input signal >>>>>> into bands with RF techniques, namely downconverting bands and
On a sunny day (Fri, 6 Dec 2024 17:59:30 +0100) it happened Lasse LangwadtVery nice idea, but that will work only for sinusoidal signals, right? >>>>>>
<llc@fonz.dk> wrote in <vivahi$2etnj$2@dont-email.me>:
On 12/5/24 11:31, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Oscilloscope Delivers 25-GHz Bandwidth on Four Channels
https://www.electronicdesign.com/technologies/test-measurement/oscilloscopes/article/55247306/electronic-design-pico-technology-oscilloscope-delivers-25-ghz-bandwidth-on-four-channels
Pico Technology expanded its PicoScope 9400 Series with the >>>>>>>>>> PicoScope 9404A-25, a high-performance oscilloscope with 25 GHz of >>>>>>>>>> bandwidth on four channels. The company's Sampler-Extended >>>>>>>>>> Real-Time Oscilloscope (SXRTO) technology integrates real-time >>>>>>>>>> acquisition with sampling oscilloscope capabilities. Thus, the >>>>>>>>>> scope can trigger directly on the signal while recording pre-trigger >>>>>>>>>> data, with the high time and amplitude resolution of a sampling scope.
https://www.electronicdesign.com/techxchange/article/55238271/advanced-oscilloscope-techniques
https://www.picotech.com/products/oscilloscope/picoscope-9000-series/picoscope-9400a-series-sampler-extended-real-time-oscilloscope
Only 25,645 ?
For the real audiophiles!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXYje2B04xE
110GHz bandwidth, 256GS/s four channels, only ~$2M
https://www.keysight.com/us/en/product/UXR1102A/infiniium-uxr-series-oscilloscope-110-ghz-2-channels.html
When I want to see 10 GHz signals I use an old 5 dollar LNB and >>>>>>>> downconvert to about 1 GHz...
that into a 35 dollar RTL_SDR stick.
I know it is not the same, but 100 GHz downconvert should not cost hat much more
At higher frequencies lasers into non linear crystals as mixer? >>>>>>>> From the 1.999 M$ left buy a nice house?
digitizing them, then somehow putting that mess back together
mathematically. Of course, one was a LeCroy.
Integrated shockline samplers killed that idea.
But 100 GHz electrical signals barely exist, so the market is small >>>>>> for those megabuck scopes.
I should be possible to abuse a cheap fast latched comparator as
a sampler with ~10GHz bandwidth or so. Something like an ADCMP580.
Jeroen Belleman
I've done that and have a PCB, TDR actually. It seemed to work but I
haven't had much time to play with it.
Does anyone want to take over and see how well it actually works? I
guess it could become a product.
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/y88pcdjfd0qovxmpfizwu/Z368.JPG?rlkey=fu4bng7i34yjbol7s1npapp8x&raw=1
It's one of those tiles.
Simon and I are just finishing up a TDR gizmo for measuring soil moisture >>> and salinity vs depth for an ag customer. It’s a 150-ps-class device, >>> which is much better than good enough for the application, and we’re
getting the first 20 fully-stuffed boards for $23 each from JLCPCB,
including the data converters, MCU, voltage regulators, as well as the TDR >>> proper.
It uses a two-diode sampler, which avoids the major pain of sampler design, >>> the need to match diodes. Of course it has horrible kickout, but that’s >>> perfectly okay in this situation.
Fun gizmo.
At an earlier employment a proposal was made to include a TDR into a
product, to be able to preventive warn of cable faults or even motor
winding shorts.
Then a RF engineer, one that I never liked much, took the brute force
approach using a GHz sampling ADC, costing hundreds of dollars per
product (would effectively kill the idea). He said it could not be done
in any other way.
I then made a diode sampler, with a sliding picosecond STM32 timer, and
made it for 10 USD instead :-)
Our gizmo is replacing something like that—a 250 MSa transient digitizer run in equivalent time mode. Its BOM cost was around $400, plus a lot of
the parts were EOL.
Savings like that sure make the licensing conversation easier. ;)
On 10-12-2024 00:14, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Klaus Vestergaard Kragelund <klauskvik@hotmail.com> wrote:So you were able to make a deal with the client that you part owned the
On 08-12-2024 21:41, Phil Hobbs wrote:
john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 18:26:07 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 12/8/24 16:53, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 12:11:47 +0100, Klaus Vestergaard Kragelund
<klauskvik@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 07-12-2024 07:00, Jan Panteltje wrote:There were some superhet oscilloscopes that split the input signal >>>>>>> into bands with RF techniques, namely downconverting bands and
On a sunny day (Fri, 6 Dec 2024 17:59:30 +0100) it happened Lasse LangwadtVery nice idea, but that will work only for sinusoidal signals, right? >>>>>>>
<llc@fonz.dk> wrote in <vivahi$2etnj$2@dont-email.me>:
On 12/5/24 11:31, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Oscilloscope Delivers 25-GHz Bandwidth on Four Channels
https://www.electronicdesign.com/technologies/test-measurement/oscilloscopes/article/55247306/electronic-design-pico-technology-oscilloscope-delivers-25-ghz-bandwidth-on-four-channels
Pico Technology expanded its PicoScope 9400 Series with the >>>>>>>>>>> PicoScope 9404A-25, a high-performance oscilloscope with 25 GHz of >>>>>>>>>>> bandwidth on four channels. The company's Sampler-Extended >>>>>>>>>>> Real-Time Oscilloscope (SXRTO) technology integrates real-time >>>>>>>>>>> acquisition with sampling oscilloscope capabilities. Thus, the >>>>>>>>>>> scope can trigger directly on the signal while recording pre-trigger
data, with the high time and amplitude resolution of a sampling scope.
https://www.electronicdesign.com/techxchange/article/55238271/advanced-oscilloscope-techniques
https://www.picotech.com/products/oscilloscope/picoscope-9000-series/picoscope-9400a-series-sampler-extended-real-time-oscilloscope
Only 25,645 ?
For the real audiophiles!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXYje2B04xE
110GHz bandwidth, 256GS/s four channels, only ~$2M
https://www.keysight.com/us/en/product/UXR1102A/infiniium-uxr-series-oscilloscope-110-ghz-2-channels.html
When I want to see 10 GHz signals I use an old 5 dollar LNB and >>>>>>>>> downconvert to about 1 GHz...
that into a 35 dollar RTL_SDR stick.
I know it is not the same, but 100 GHz downconvert should not cost hat much more
At higher frequencies lasers into non linear crystals as mixer? >>>>>>>>> From the 1.999 M$ left buy a nice house?
digitizing them, then somehow putting that mess back together
mathematically. Of course, one was a LeCroy.
Integrated shockline samplers killed that idea.
But 100 GHz electrical signals barely exist, so the market is small >>>>>>> for those megabuck scopes.
I should be possible to abuse a cheap fast latched comparator as
a sampler with ~10GHz bandwidth or so. Something like an ADCMP580. >>>>>>
Jeroen Belleman
I've done that and have a PCB, TDR actually. It seemed to work but I >>>>> haven't had much time to play with it.
Does anyone want to take over and see how well it actually works? I
guess it could become a product.
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/y88pcdjfd0qovxmpfizwu/Z368.JPG?rlkey=fu4bng7i34yjbol7s1npapp8x&raw=1
It's one of those tiles.
Simon and I are just finishing up a TDR gizmo for measuring soil moisture >>>> and salinity vs depth for an ag customer. It’s a 150-ps-class device, >>>> which is much better than good enough for the application, and we’re >>>> getting the first 20 fully-stuffed boards for $23 each from JLCPCB,
including the data converters, MCU, voltage regulators, as well as the TDR >>>> proper.
It uses a two-diode sampler, which avoids the major pain of sampler design,
the need to match diodes. Of course it has horrible kickout, but that’s >>>> perfectly okay in this situation.
Fun gizmo.
At an earlier employment a proposal was made to include a TDR into a
product, to be able to preventive warn of cable faults or even motor
winding shorts.
Then a RF engineer, one that I never liked much, took the brute force
approach using a GHz sampling ADC, costing hundreds of dollars per
product (would effectively kill the idea). He said it could not be done
in any other way.
I then made a diode sampler, with a sliding picosecond STM32 timer, and
made it for 10 USD instead :-)
Our gizmo is replacing something like that—a 250 MSa transient digitizer >> run in equivalent time mode. Its BOM cost was around $400, plus a lot of
the parts were EOL.
Savings like that sure make the licensing conversation easier. ;)
IP, and could use it for other projects?
I am in a similar situation right now, working on a dedicated HW
solution that I would like to begin to sell afterwards. Guessing either telling the client they get later improvements to the design for free, reducing my hours billed, or letting them get a percentage of the
profits of my sales.
Klaus Vestergaard Kragelund <klauskvik@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 10-12-2024 00:14, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Klaus Vestergaard Kragelund <klauskvik@hotmail.com> wrote:So you were able to make a deal with the client that you part owned the
On 08-12-2024 21:41, Phil Hobbs wrote:
john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 18:26:07 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 12/8/24 16:53, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 12:11:47 +0100, Klaus Vestergaard Kragelund >>>>>>>> <klauskvik@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 07-12-2024 07:00, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 6 Dec 2024 17:59:30 +0100) it happened Lasse LangwadtVery nice idea, but that will work only for sinusoidal signals, right?
<llc@fonz.dk> wrote in <vivahi$2etnj$2@dont-email.me>:
On 12/5/24 11:31, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Oscilloscope Delivers 25-GHz Bandwidth on Four Channels >>>>>>>>>>>>
https://www.electronicdesign.com/technologies/test-measurement/oscilloscopes/article/55247306/electronic-design-pico-technology-oscilloscope-delivers-25-ghz-bandwidth-on-four-channels
Pico Technology expanded its PicoScope 9400 Series with the >>>>>>>>>>>> PicoScope 9404A-25, a high-performance oscilloscope with 25 GHz of >>>>>>>>>>>> bandwidth on four channels. The company's Sampler-Extended >>>>>>>>>>>> Real-Time Oscilloscope (SXRTO) technology integrates real-time >>>>>>>>>>>> acquisition with sampling oscilloscope capabilities. Thus, the >>>>>>>>>>>> scope can trigger directly on the signal while recording pre-trigger
data, with the high time and amplitude resolution of a sampling scope.
https://www.electronicdesign.com/techxchange/article/55238271/advanced-oscilloscope-techniques
https://www.picotech.com/products/oscilloscope/picoscope-9000-series/picoscope-9400a-series-sampler-extended-real-time-oscilloscope
Only 25,645 ?
For the real audiophiles!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXYje2B04xE
110GHz bandwidth, 256GS/s four channels, only ~$2M
https://www.keysight.com/us/en/product/UXR1102A/infiniium-uxr-series-oscilloscope-110-ghz-2-channels.html
When I want to see 10 GHz signals I use an old 5 dollar LNB and >>>>>>>>>> downconvert to about 1 GHz...
that into a 35 dollar RTL_SDR stick.
I know it is not the same, but 100 GHz downconvert should not cost hat much more
At higher frequencies lasers into non linear crystals as mixer? >>>>>>>>>> From the 1.999 M$ left buy a nice house?
There were some superhet oscilloscopes that split the input signal >>>>>>>> into bands with RF techniques, namely downconverting bands and >>>>>>>> digitizing them, then somehow putting that mess back together
mathematically. Of course, one was a LeCroy.
Integrated shockline samplers killed that idea.
But 100 GHz electrical signals barely exist, so the market is small >>>>>>>> for those megabuck scopes.
I should be possible to abuse a cheap fast latched comparator as >>>>>>> a sampler with ~10GHz bandwidth or so. Something like an ADCMP580. >>>>>>>
Jeroen Belleman
I've done that and have a PCB, TDR actually. It seemed to work but I >>>>>> haven't had much time to play with it.
Does anyone want to take over and see how well it actually works? I >>>>>> guess it could become a product.
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/y88pcdjfd0qovxmpfizwu/Z368.JPG?rlkey=fu4bng7i34yjbol7s1npapp8x&raw=1
It's one of those tiles.
Simon and I are just finishing up a TDR gizmo for measuring soil moisture >>>>> and salinity vs depth for an ag customer. It’s a 150-ps-class device, >>>>> which is much better than good enough for the application, and we’re >>>>> getting the first 20 fully-stuffed boards for $23 each from JLCPCB,
including the data converters, MCU, voltage regulators, as well as the TDR
proper.
It uses a two-diode sampler, which avoids the major pain of sampler design,
the need to match diodes. Of course it has horrible kickout, but that’s >>>>> perfectly okay in this situation.
Fun gizmo.
At an earlier employment a proposal was made to include a TDR into a
product, to be able to preventive warn of cable faults or even motor
winding shorts.
Then a RF engineer, one that I never liked much, took the brute force
approach using a GHz sampling ADC, costing hundreds of dollars per
product (would effectively kill the idea). He said it could not be done >>>> in any other way.
I then made a diode sampler, with a sliding picosecond STM32 timer, and >>>> made it for 10 USD instead :-)
Our gizmo is replacing something like that—a 250 MSa transient digitizer >>> run in equivalent time mode. Its BOM cost was around $400, plus a lot of >>> the parts were EOL.
Savings like that sure make the licensing conversation easier. ;)
IP, and could use it for other projects?
I am in a similar situation right now, working on a dedicated HW
solution that I would like to begin to sell afterwards. Guessing either
telling the client they get later improvements to the design for free,
reducing my hours billed, or letting them get a percentage of the
profits of my sales.
The conversation is still underway, but I expect that we’ll wind up with a win-win deal, as we have previously.
We position ourselves as a design consultancy with a lot of existing “background IP”, including full product designs, design studies, and general know-how.
In the present case, we’re looking at filing a patent for a new measurement principle, and charging the customer a combined patent/know-how royalty. Since the total cost is a good bit less than the BOM savings alone, the negotiations are pretty amicable. ;)
On 10-12-2024 02:16, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Klaus Vestergaard Kragelund <klauskvik@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 10-12-2024 00:14, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Klaus Vestergaard Kragelund <klauskvik@hotmail.com> wrote:So you were able to make a deal with the client that you part owned the
On 08-12-2024 21:41, Phil Hobbs wrote:
john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 18:26:07 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 12/8/24 16:53, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 12:11:47 +0100, Klaus Vestergaard Kragelund >>>>>>>>> <klauskvik@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 07-12-2024 07:00, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 6 Dec 2024 17:59:30 +0100) it happened Lasse LangwadtVery nice idea, but that will work only for sinusoidal signals, right?
<llc@fonz.dk> wrote in <vivahi$2etnj$2@dont-email.me>:
On 12/5/24 11:31, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Oscilloscope Delivers 25-GHz Bandwidth on Four Channels >>>>>>>>>>>>>
https://www.electronicdesign.com/technologies/test-measurement/oscilloscopes/article/55247306/electronic-design-pico-technology-oscilloscope-delivers-25-ghz-bandwidth-on-four-channels
Pico Technology expanded its PicoScope 9400 Series with the >>>>>>>>>>>>> PicoScope 9404A-25, a high-performance oscilloscope with 25 GHz of
bandwidth on four channels. The company's Sampler-Extended >>>>>>>>>>>>> Real-Time Oscilloscope (SXRTO) technology integrates real-time >>>>>>>>>>>>> acquisition with sampling oscilloscope capabilities. Thus, the >>>>>>>>>>>>> scope can trigger directly on the signal while recording pre-trigger
data, with the high time and amplitude resolution of a sampling scope.
https://www.electronicdesign.com/techxchange/article/55238271/advanced-oscilloscope-techniques
https://www.picotech.com/products/oscilloscope/picoscope-9000-series/picoscope-9400a-series-sampler-extended-real-time-oscilloscope
Only 25,645 ?
For the real audiophiles!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXYje2B04xE
110GHz bandwidth, 256GS/s four channels, only ~$2M
https://www.keysight.com/us/en/product/UXR1102A/infiniium-uxr-series-oscilloscope-110-ghz-2-channels.html
When I want to see 10 GHz signals I use an old 5 dollar LNB and >>>>>>>>>>> downconvert to about 1 GHz...
that into a 35 dollar RTL_SDR stick.
I know it is not the same, but 100 GHz downconvert should not cost hat much more
At higher frequencies lasers into non linear crystals as mixer? >>>>>>>>>>> From the 1.999 M$ left buy a nice house?
There were some superhet oscilloscopes that split the input signal >>>>>>>>> into bands with RF techniques, namely downconverting bands and >>>>>>>>> digitizing them, then somehow putting that mess back together >>>>>>>>> mathematically. Of course, one was a LeCroy.
Integrated shockline samplers killed that idea.
But 100 GHz electrical signals barely exist, so the market is small >>>>>>>>> for those megabuck scopes.
I should be possible to abuse a cheap fast latched comparator as >>>>>>>> a sampler with ~10GHz bandwidth or so. Something like an ADCMP580. >>>>>>>>
Jeroen Belleman
I've done that and have a PCB, TDR actually. It seemed to work but I >>>>>>> haven't had much time to play with it.
Does anyone want to take over and see how well it actually works? I >>>>>>> guess it could become a product.
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/y88pcdjfd0qovxmpfizwu/Z368.JPG?rlkey=fu4bng7i34yjbol7s1npapp8x&raw=1
It's one of those tiles.
Simon and I are just finishing up a TDR gizmo for measuring soil moisture
and salinity vs depth for an ag customer. It’s a 150-ps-class device, >>>>>> which is much better than good enough for the application, and we’re >>>>>> getting the first 20 fully-stuffed boards for $23 each from JLCPCB, >>>>>> including the data converters, MCU, voltage regulators, as well as the TDR
proper.
It uses a two-diode sampler, which avoids the major pain of sampler design,
the need to match diodes. Of course it has horrible kickout, but that’s
perfectly okay in this situation.
Fun gizmo.
At an earlier employment a proposal was made to include a TDR into a >>>>> product, to be able to preventive warn of cable faults or even motor >>>>> winding shorts.
Then a RF engineer, one that I never liked much, took the brute force >>>>> approach using a GHz sampling ADC, costing hundreds of dollars per
product (would effectively kill the idea). He said it could not be done >>>>> in any other way.
I then made a diode sampler, with a sliding picosecond STM32 timer, and >>>>> made it for 10 USD instead :-)
Our gizmo is replacing something like that—a 250 MSa transient digitizer >>>> run in equivalent time mode. Its BOM cost was around $400, plus a lot of >>>> the parts were EOL.
Savings like that sure make the licensing conversation easier. ;)
IP, and could use it for other projects?
I am in a similar situation right now, working on a dedicated HW
solution that I would like to begin to sell afterwards. Guessing either
telling the client they get later improvements to the design for free,
reducing my hours billed, or letting them get a percentage of the
profits of my sales.
The conversation is still underway, but I expect that we’ll wind up with a >> win-win deal, as we have previously.
We position ourselves as a design consultancy with a lot of existing
“background IP”, including full product designs, design studies, and
general know-how.
In the present case, we’re looking at filing a patent for a new measurement
principle, and charging the customer a combined patent/know-how royalty.
Since the total cost is a good bit less than the BOM savings alone, the
negotiations are pretty amicable. ;)
Sounds like an idea situation. Important to take that upfront
I have spend a lot of time on cost savings over the years, so when I
take a consulting assignment, I often try to solve the task and reduce
cost significantly at the same time. Ideally with a ROI of a year. That
is a compelling selling argument against the customer.
Cheers
Klaus
Klaus Vestergaard Kragelund <klauskvik@hotmail.com> wrote:design approaches, circuit topologies, and general expertise, such as how
On 10-12-2024 02:16, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Klaus Vestergaard Kragelund <klauskvik@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 10-12-2024 00:14, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Klaus Vestergaard Kragelund <klauskvik@hotmail.com> wrote:So you were able to make a deal with the client that you part owned the >>>> IP, and could use it for other projects?
On 08-12-2024 21:41, Phil Hobbs wrote:
john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 18:26:07 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 12/8/24 16:53, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 12:11:47 +0100, Klaus Vestergaard Kragelund >>>>>>>>>> <klauskvik@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 07-12-2024 07:00, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 6 Dec 2024 17:59:30 +0100) it happened Lasse LangwadtVery nice idea, but that will work only for sinusoidal signals, right?
<llc@fonz.dk> wrote in <vivahi$2etnj$2@dont-email.me>: >>>>>>>>>>>>
On 12/5/24 11:31, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Oscilloscope Delivers 25-GHz Bandwidth on Four Channels >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
https://www.electronicdesign.com/technologies/test-measurement/oscilloscopes/article/55247306/electronic-design-pico-technology-oscilloscope-delivers-25-ghz-bandwidth-on-four-channels
Pico Technology expanded its PicoScope 9400 Series with the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> PicoScope 9404A-25, a high-performance oscilloscope with 25 GHz of
bandwidth on four channels. The company's Sampler-Extended >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Real-Time Oscilloscope (SXRTO) technology integrates real-time >>>>>>>>>>>>>> acquisition with sampling oscilloscope capabilities. Thus, the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> scope can trigger directly on the signal while recording pre-trigger
data, with the high time and amplitude resolution of a sampling scope.
https://www.electronicdesign.com/techxchange/article/55238271/advanced-oscilloscope-techniques
https://www.picotech.com/products/oscilloscope/picoscope-9000-series/picoscope-9400a-series-sampler-extended-real-time-oscilloscope
Only 25,645 ?
For the real audiophiles!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXYje2B04xE
110GHz bandwidth, 256GS/s four channels, only ~$2M
https://www.keysight.com/us/en/product/UXR1102A/infiniium-uxr-series-oscilloscope-110-ghz-2-channels.html
When I want to see 10 GHz signals I use an old 5 dollar LNB and >>>>>>>>>>>> downconvert to about 1 GHz...
that into a 35 dollar RTL_SDR stick.
I know it is not the same, but 100 GHz downconvert should not cost hat much more
At higher frequencies lasers into non linear crystals as mixer? >>>>>>>>>>>> From the 1.999 M$ left buy a nice house?
There were some superhet oscilloscopes that split the input signal >>>>>>>>>> into bands with RF techniques, namely downconverting bands and >>>>>>>>>> digitizing them, then somehow putting that mess back together >>>>>>>>>> mathematically. Of course, one was a LeCroy.
Integrated shockline samplers killed that idea.
But 100 GHz electrical signals barely exist, so the market is small >>>>>>>>>> for those megabuck scopes.
I should be possible to abuse a cheap fast latched comparator as >>>>>>>>> a sampler with ~10GHz bandwidth or so. Something like an ADCMP580. >>>>>>>>>
Jeroen Belleman
I've done that and have a PCB, TDR actually. It seemed to work but I >>>>>>>> haven't had much time to play with it.
Does anyone want to take over and see how well it actually works? I >>>>>>>> guess it could become a product.
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/y88pcdjfd0qovxmpfizwu/Z368.JPG?rlkey=fu4bng7i34yjbol7s1npapp8x&raw=1
It's one of those tiles.
Simon and I are just finishing up a TDR gizmo for measuring soil moisture
and salinity vs depth for an ag customer. It’s a 150-ps-class device,
which is much better than good enough for the application, and we’re >>>>>>> getting the first 20 fully-stuffed boards for $23 each from JLCPCB, >>>>>>> including the data converters, MCU, voltage regulators, as well as the TDR
proper.
It uses a two-diode sampler, which avoids the major pain of sampler design,
the need to match diodes. Of course it has horrible kickout, but that’s
perfectly okay in this situation.
Fun gizmo.
At an earlier employment a proposal was made to include a TDR into a >>>>>> product, to be able to preventive warn of cable faults or even motor >>>>>> winding shorts.
Then a RF engineer, one that I never liked much, took the brute force >>>>>> approach using a GHz sampling ADC, costing hundreds of dollars per >>>>>> product (would effectively kill the idea). He said it could not be done >>>>>> in any other way.
I then made a diode sampler, with a sliding picosecond STM32 timer, and >>>>>> made it for 10 USD instead :-)
Our gizmo is replacing something like that—a 250 MSa transient digitizer
run in equivalent time mode. Its BOM cost was around $400, plus a lot of >>>>> the parts were EOL.
Savings like that sure make the licensing conversation easier. ;)
I am in a similar situation right now, working on a dedicated HW
solution that I would like to begin to sell afterwards. Guessing either >>>> telling the client they get later improvements to the design for free, >>>> reducing my hours billed, or letting them get a percentage of the
profits of my sales.
The conversation is still underway, but I expect that we’ll wind up with a
win-win deal, as we have previously.
We position ourselves as a design consultancy with a lot of existing
“background IP”, including full product designs, design studies, and >>> general know-how.
In the present case, we’re looking at filing a patent for a new measurement
principle, and charging the customer a combined patent/know-how royalty. >>> Since the total cost is a good bit less than the BOM savings alone, the
negotiations are pretty amicable. ;)
Sounds like an idea situation. Important to take that upfront
I have spend a lot of time on cost savings over the years, so when I
take a consulting assignment, I often try to solve the task and reduce
cost significantly at the same time. Ideally with a ROI of a year. That
is a compelling selling argument against the customer.
Cheers
Klaus
Yup. It’s worth pitching a royalty,because the value you bring isn’t just a
one-time payoff. That’s true whether you’re customizing an existing design
or doing something new. You have a lot of background IP, including
previous designs,
The most common objection is, “We’re paying you for the work—why should we
pay twice?” The answer is that the royalty (5% of revenue or thereabouts) is for the background IP, and the hourly work is for customizing it to
their application.
Try saying that you want to succeed together with them—that gets the point across pretty well, we find.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
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