• OT: Trump's Cabinet Picks

    From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 17 18:13:19 2024
    If anyone doubted Trump was sincere in his intention to clean the
    Swamp they can surely doubt no longer. The Globalists who have
    covertly infiltrated so many Western governments to the detriment of
    their citizens must be shaking like shitting dogs by now. :-}

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  • From Uwe Bonnes@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Sun Nov 17 19:40:29 2024
    Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:
    If anyone doubted Trump was sincere in his intention to clean the
    Swamp they can surely doubt no longer. The Globalists who have
    covertly infiltrated so many Western governments to the detriment of
    their citizens must be shaking like shitting dogs by now. :-}

    From swamp to sewer
    --
    Uwe Bonnes bon@elektron.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de

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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Mon Nov 18 15:10:46 2024
    On 18/11/2024 5:13 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    If anyone doubted Trump was sincere in his intention to clean the
    Swamp they can surely doubt no longer. The Globalists who have
    covertly infiltrated so many Western governments to the detriment of
    their citizens must be shaking like shitting dogs by now. :-}

    Since the "globalists" is question exist only in Cursitor Doom's
    diseased imagination, hs opinions on what they might be doing are
    definitive, if of no real-world interest.

    Trump may be sincere in his intention to cleanse the swamp, but since
    this is equally a figment of his diseased imagination, he doesn't get
    any brownie points for it either.

    What is clear is that Trump's cabinet picks include a number of people
    who sane people would avoid like the plague. Even a Republican senate is
    going to quail at some of them.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to chuck on Tue Nov 19 01:48:21 2024
    On 19/11/2024 1:01 am, chuck wrote:
    Trump the Great Protector has succeeded in duping Americans to fear by depending the issues. The outcomes will reduce taxes for the rich,
    increase cost of living for the poor with tariffs, displace those
    immigrants who will seek the minimum wage jobs replaced with union jobs
    and lose control of the Eco-system with deregulation of the EPA, and
    future disasters from accelerated toxic fracking. Severe economic instability, degraded health and education, problems such as why China's
    GPT is triple that of USA, their productivity with energy, military,
    space, consumer and industrial products and average wage growth of 400%
    more than Americans.

    China has a lot of people, and quite a bit of land. Their wage growth is
    high because it started from a very low base, and - like Japan - they industrialised rapidly because they had the European/American model to copy.

    Now that they have pretty much caught up, they are finding that new
    product development is a lot more demanding - and a lot less reliable
    than copying the best of what other people have developed.

    Their political system is still pretty primitive - they've been less enthusiastic about copying international best practice in government
    than they were in technology. America has the same problem - if not to
    the same extent. The devotion to a strictly two-party system and a
    voting system that freezes out third parties is a weakness. Multiparty democracy and coalition governments isn't the American way, but it work
    rather better than two-party democracy (where the two parties are
    actually coalitions of fractional interests who do their horse-trading
    in private).

    The Chines will threaten to pull back their
    dominance in Govt Bonds that the US depends on for investors and reclaim
    it with land grabs used as collateral.

    Trump will be the Greatest American President to destroy the dwindling
    global power it once had with empty promises and a history of failed
    business enterprises that will create friction and firing of those who
    cannot meet his demands on the international community.

    He might, but he's not actually all that good at government. His first
    term showed him losing interest before he completed the disasters he was
    trying to set in motion, as he moved on to a different hare-brained
    scheme. His erratic management of the Covid-19 epidemic let it kill a
    lot more Americans than it should have done, but some other countries
    did appreciably worse.

    Korea has
    pulled out of Israel from the unethical ethnic cleansing and Ukraine
    will never give up the resources they had.

    Americans will rejoice for  while in the dictation of changes until they realize his priorities are self-image, self-economic gains and replace
    the swamp or alligators with Parana like resident Oligarchs.

    The tribe has spoken but they have been duped by empty promises and
    deflected fears with billions of advertising.

    I do not look forward to watching Trump's charade in the news for the
    next 4 years and turn it off.  Why does it take more than 2 years to
    plan an election when others can do it in 1 to 3 months.  Corruption and deflection takes time.

    The US constitution was written when it did take a lot longer to plan an election. Switching to a more flexible scheme would be trivial, but lots
    of vested interests like things the way they are.

    Even the UK system managed to get rid of Boris Johnson and Liz Truss
    pretty quickly. It got reworked in the 19th century, and is still pretty clunky, but not as clunky as the US system.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to chuck on Mon Nov 18 12:38:21 2024
    On 11/18/2024 9:01 AM, chuck wrote:

    Americans will rejoice for  while in the dictation of changes until they realize his priorities are self-image, self-economic gains and replace
    the swamp or alligators with Parana like resident Oligarchs.

    The tribe has spoken but they have been duped by empty promises and
    deflected fears with billions of advertising.

    A lot of the American right-wing media darlings in the modern era are
    just simple grifters who failed at everything else in life.

    Candace Owens used to be a Democrat and she tried grifting poor blacks
    in that persona, it didn't work. Reinvented herself as a conservative
    overnight and lives in a mansion now.

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  • From john larkin@21:1/5 to chuck on Mon Nov 18 12:07:02 2024
    On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 09:01:09 -0500, chuck <donnyduck@gmail.com> wrote:

    Trump the Great Protector has succeeded in duping Americans to fear by >depending the issues. The outcomes will reduce taxes for the rich,

    The wealth of "The rich" is mostly in stocks or productive
    enterprises. If you tax them, they will sell stocks or industries, and
    that will cause inflation and unemployment.

    The tax-the-rich thing is mostly jealousy. We should be grateful to
    the rich for diverting dollars away from consumption and into
    investment.


    increase cost of living for the poor with tariffs, displace those
    immigrants who will seek the minimum wage jobs replaced with union jobs
    and lose control of the Eco-system with deregulation of the EPA, and
    future disasters from accelerated toxic fracking. Severe economic >instability, degraded health and education, problems such as why China's
    GPT is triple that of USA, their productivity with energy, military,
    space, consumer and industrial products and average wage growth of 400%
    more than Americans. The Chines will threaten to pull back their
    dominance in Govt Bonds that the US depends on for investors and reclaim
    it with land grabs used as collateral.

    Trump will be the Greatest American President to destroy the dwindling
    global power it once had with empty promises and a history of failed
    business enterprises that will create friction and firing of those who
    cannot meet his demands on the international community. Korea has
    pulled out of Israel from the unethical ethnic cleansing and Ukraine
    will never give up the resources they had.

    Americans will rejoice for while in the dictation of changes until they >realize his priorities are self-image, self-economic gains and replace
    the swamp or alligators with Parana like resident Oligarchs.

    The tribe has spoken but they have been duped by empty promises and
    deflected fears with billions of advertising.

    I do not look forward to watching Trump's charade in the news for the
    next 4 years and turn it off. Why does it take more than 2 years to
    plan an election when others can do it in 1 to 3 months. Corruption and >deflection takes time.


    A bit of creative destruction is good now and then. It breaks up
    static friction.

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to john larkin on Mon Nov 18 16:22:13 2024
    On 11/18/2024 3:07 PM, john larkin wrote:
    On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 09:01:09 -0500, chuck <donnyduck@gmail.com> wrote:

    Trump the Great Protector has succeeded in duping Americans to fear by
    depending the issues. The outcomes will reduce taxes for the rich,

    The wealth of "The rich" is mostly in stocks or productive
    enterprises. If you tax them, they will sell stocks or industries, and
    that will cause inflation and unemployment.

    The tax-the-rich thing is mostly jealousy. We should be grateful to
    the rich for diverting dollars away from consumption and into
    investment.

    No problem, cut taxes for the rich and then make big cuts in the Federal administrative state, I'm OK with that. The better part of 80% of
    civilian Federal employees work for the "military industrial complex" in
    some capacity: DOD, DOJ, FBI, CIA, VA, Homeland Security..

    That's not what Musk et al are gonna do though. They're gonna be like
    "We cut the 3,700 people left in the Dept of Education, guys. We did it.
    we saved the budget."

    and then just swap the 325,000 military-adjacent employees for some
    different goons.

    It's not any secret the kind of Federal government the modern right
    wants, it's the "night watchman" state. Nobody left in government but jackbooted tough guys stomping around shouting at people and demanding everyone's papers.

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Mon Nov 18 19:37:52 2024
    On 11/18/2024 7:15 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:

    It's not any secret the kind of Federal government the modern right
    wants, it's the "night watchman" state. Nobody left in government but
    jackbooted tough guys stomping around shouting at people and demanding
    everyone's papers.

    Sind *ihre* papiere in ordnung? ;->

    Incidentally it's sort of miraculous Western Europe survived in its
    present form at all, considering how many citizens there wanted to be a
    part of Greater Deutschland back in the day (and probably still do.)

    'Bout 95% of Frenchmen, 80% of the Irish and 50% of the British I figure
    it was.

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  • From john larkin@21:1/5 to bitrex on Mon Nov 18 16:38:06 2024
    On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 16:22:13 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 11/18/2024 3:07 PM, john larkin wrote:
    On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 09:01:09 -0500, chuck <donnyduck@gmail.com> wrote:

    Trump the Great Protector has succeeded in duping Americans to fear by
    depending the issues. The outcomes will reduce taxes for the rich,

    The wealth of "The rich" is mostly in stocks or productive
    enterprises. If you tax them, they will sell stocks or industries, and
    that will cause inflation and unemployment.

    The tax-the-rich thing is mostly jealousy. We should be grateful to
    the rich for diverting dollars away from consumption and into
    investment.

    No problem, cut taxes for the rich and then make big cuts in the Federal >administrative state, I'm OK with that. The better part of 80% of
    civilian Federal employees work for the "military industrial complex" in
    some capacity: DOD, DOJ, FBI, CIA, VA, Homeland Security..

    That's not what Musk et al are gonna do though. They're gonna be like
    "We cut the 3,700 people left in the Dept of Education, guys. We did it.
    we saved the budget."

    and then just swap the 325,000 military-adjacent employees for some
    different goons.

    It's not any secret the kind of Federal government the modern right
    wants, it's the "night watchman" state. Nobody left in government but >jackbooted tough guys stomping around shouting at people and demanding >everyone's papers.

    The Left lost big on the election because they make no sense.

    Hint hint.

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to john larkin on Mon Nov 18 19:39:34 2024
    On 11/18/2024 7:38 PM, john larkin wrote:

    It's not any secret the kind of Federal government the modern right
    wants, it's the "night watchman" state. Nobody left in government but
    jackbooted tough guys stomping around shouting at people and demanding
    everyone's papers.

    The Left lost big on the election because they make no sense.

    Hint hint.


    A Democrat named Kamala Harris who was a former prosecutor and said
    she'd do "nothing different" lost, are you calling me a Democrat? that's
    not very nice.

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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to bitrex on Tue Nov 19 00:15:40 2024
    On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 16:22:13 -0500, bitrex wrote:

    On 11/18/2024 3:07 PM, john larkin wrote:
    On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 09:01:09 -0500, chuck <donnyduck@gmail.com> wrote:

    Trump the Great Protector has succeeded in duping Americans to fear by
    depending the issues. The outcomes will reduce taxes for the rich,

    The wealth of "The rich" is mostly in stocks or productive enterprises.
    If you tax them, they will sell stocks or industries, and that will
    cause inflation and unemployment.

    The tax-the-rich thing is mostly jealousy. We should be grateful to the
    rich for diverting dollars away from consumption and into investment.

    No problem, cut taxes for the rich and then make big cuts in the Federal administrative state, I'm OK with that. The better part of 80% of
    civilian Federal employees work for the "military industrial complex" in
    some capacity: DOD, DOJ, FBI, CIA, VA, Homeland Security..

    That's not what Musk et al are gonna do though. They're gonna be like
    "We cut the 3,700 people left in the Dept of Education, guys. We did it.
    we saved the budget."

    and then just swap the 325,000 military-adjacent employees for some
    different goons.

    It's not any secret the kind of Federal government the modern right
    wants, it's the "night watchman" state. Nobody left in government but jackbooted tough guys stomping around shouting at people and demanding everyone's papers.

    Sind *ihre* papiere in ordnung? ;->

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to john larkin on Mon Nov 18 19:40:52 2024
    On 11/18/2024 7:38 PM, john larkin wrote:

    It's not any secret the kind of Federal government the modern right
    wants, it's the "night watchman" state. Nobody left in government but
    jackbooted tough guys stomping around shouting at people and demanding
    everyone's papers.

    The Left lost big on the election because they make no sense.

    Hint hint.


    A Democrat named Kamala Harris who was a former prosecutor and said
    she'd do "nothing different" lost, are you calling me a Democrat? that's
    not very nice!

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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to john larkin on Tue Nov 19 14:32:08 2024
    On 19/11/2024 7:07 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 09:01:09 -0500, chuck <donnyduck@gmail.com> wrote:

    Trump the Great Protector has succeeded in duping Americans to fear by
    depending the issues. The outcomes will reduce taxes for the rich,

    The wealth of "The rich" is mostly in stocks or productive
    enterprises. If you tax them, they will sell stocks or industries, and
    that will cause inflation and unemployment.

    It hasn't in the past.

    The tax-the-rich thing is mostly jealousy. We should be grateful to
    the rich for diverting dollars away from consumption and into
    investment.

    The tax-the-rich thing is entirely practical. They've got most of the
    money, so there really isn't anybody else to tax. Government services
    cost money - defense is the obvious one, but the police and the legal
    system deal with internal threats. Modern states - the US isn't modern
    in this sense - see universal education as a necessary service - and a comprehensive public health protects against communicable diseases.

    Business doesn't like paying taxes so USA business pays for a lot of
    lying propaganda that claims that government services aren't as cheap as
    the same services provided by businesses. This gave you ENRON, but some gullible suckers haven't noticed.

    <snip>

    A bit of creative destruction is good now and then. It breaks up
    static friction.

    Trump doesn't offer creative destruction. He offers incoherent
    dissatisfaction with the status quo, and nothing that looks like a
    coherent alternative.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From john larkin@21:1/5 to bitrex on Mon Nov 18 19:26:56 2024
    On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 19:40:52 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 11/18/2024 7:38 PM, john larkin wrote:

    It's not any secret the kind of Federal government the modern right
    wants, it's the "night watchman" state. Nobody left in government but
    jackbooted tough guys stomping around shouting at people and demanding
    everyone's papers.

    The Left lost big on the election because they make no sense.

    Hint hint.


    A Democrat named Kamala Harris who was a former prosecutor and said
    she'd do "nothing different" lost, are you calling me a Democrat? that's
    not very nice!

    Are you afraid of the jackbooted tough guys, or do you want to be one?

    What's a jack boot anyhow? Something like an Ugg?

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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to john larkin on Tue Nov 19 14:39:04 2024
    On 19/11/2024 11:38 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 16:22:13 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 11/18/2024 3:07 PM, john larkin wrote:
    On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 09:01:09 -0500, chuck <donnyduck@gmail.com> wrote:

    Trump the Great Protector has succeeded in duping Americans to fear by >>>> depending the issues. The outcomes will reduce taxes for the rich,

    The wealth of "The rich" is mostly in stocks or productive
    enterprises. If you tax them, they will sell stocks or industries, and
    that will cause inflation and unemployment.

    The tax-the-rich thing is mostly jealousy. We should be grateful to
    the rich for diverting dollars away from consumption and into
    investment.

    No problem, cut taxes for the rich and then make big cuts in the Federal
    administrative state, I'm OK with that. The better part of 80% of
    civilian Federal employees work for the "military industrial complex" in
    some capacity: DOD, DOJ, FBI, CIA, VA, Homeland Security..

    That's not what Musk et al are gonna do though. They're gonna be like
    "We cut the 3,700 people left in the Dept of Education, guys. We did it.
    we saved the budget."

    and then just swap the 325,000 military-adjacent employees for some
    different goons.

    It's not any secret the kind of Federal government the modern right
    wants, it's the "night watchman" state. Nobody left in government but
    jackbooted tough guys stomping around shouting at people and demanding
    everyone's papers.

    The Left lost big on the election because they make no sense.

    Hint hint.

    The hint is that John Larkin couldn't make sense of what they offered.

    The reality is that the US has a very high level of income inequality
    and the majority of voters aren't doing well. This doesn't help an
    incumbent government.

    Trump didn't have anything to offer except change (and he wasn't all
    that explicit about what those changes might be) but that was enough to
    get him elected.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Bill Sloman on Mon Nov 18 23:32:28 2024
    On 11/18/2024 10:39 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:

    The Left lost big on the election because they make no sense.

    Hint hint.

    The hint is that John Larkin couldn't make sense of what they offered.

    The reality is that the US has a very high level of income inequality
    and the majority of voters aren't doing well. This doesn't help an
    incumbent government.

    Trump didn't have anything to offer except change (and he wasn't all
    that explicit about what those changes might be) but that was enough to
    get him elected.


    He did bring along Mr. Musk, who seems to already be shouting at other
    advisers in private, and being the butt of Trump's jokes in public.

    So, business as usual...

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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to john larkin on Tue Nov 19 15:16:24 2024
    On 19/11/2024 2:26 pm, john larkin wrote:
    On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 19:40:52 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 11/18/2024 7:38 PM, john larkin wrote:

    It's not any secret the kind of Federal government the modern right
    wants, it's the "night watchman" state. Nobody left in government but
    jackbooted tough guys stomping around shouting at people and demanding >>>> everyone's papers.

    The Left lost big on the election because they make no sense.

    Hint hint.


    A Democrat named Kamala Harris who was a former prosecutor and said
    she'd do "nothing different" lost, are you calling me a Democrat? that's
    not very nice!

    Are you afraid of the jackbooted tough guys, or do you want to be one?

    If anybody posts here, they can be accused of shouting at people though
    you have to post in full caps to make it official. Jack-booted thugs are invoked as negative examples, so bitrex clearly doesn't want to be one.

    What's a jack boot anyhow? Something like an Ugg?

    A knee-high leather boot - part of the German SS uniform. It had a shiny polished surface, nothing like an Ugg boot (which offers warmth, and
    seems to be intended to look cuddly).

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to john larkin on Tue Nov 19 23:36:52 2024
    On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 19:26:56 -0800, john larkin wrote:

    On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 19:40:52 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 11/18/2024 7:38 PM, john larkin wrote:

    It's not any secret the kind of Federal government the modern right
    wants, it's the "night watchman" state. Nobody left in government but
    jackbooted tough guys stomping around shouting at people and
    demanding everyone's papers.

    The Left lost big on the election because they make no sense.

    Hint hint.


    A Democrat named Kamala Harris who was a former prosecutor and said
    she'd do "nothing different" lost, are you calling me a Democrat? that's >>not very nice!

    Are you afraid of the jackbooted tough guys, or do you want to be one?

    What's a jack boot anyhow? Something like an Ugg?

    I assume this is the kind of fear he's got his knickers in a twist about:-

    "O what is that sound which so thrills the ear
    Down in the valley drumming, drumming?
    Only the scarlet soldiers, dear,
    The soldiers coming.

    O what is that light I see flashing so clear
    Over the distance brightly, brightly?
    Only the sun on their weapons, dear,
    As they step lightly.

    O what are they doing with all that gear,
    What are they doing this morning, morning?
    Only their usual manoeuvres, dear,
    Or perhaps a warning.

    O why have they left the road down there,
    Why are they suddenly wheeling, wheeling?
    Perhaps a change in their orders, dear,
    Why are you kneeling?

    O haven't they stopped for the doctor's care,
    Haven't they reined their horses, horses?
    Why, they are none of them wounded, dear,
    None of these forces.

    O is it the parson they want, with white hair,
    Is it the parson, is it, is it?
    No, they are passing his gateway, dear,
    Without a visit.

    O it must be the farmer that lives so near.
    It must be the farmer so cunning, so cunning?
    They have passed the farmyard already, dear,
    And now they are running.

    O where are you going? Stay with me here!
    Were the vows you swore deceiving, deceiving?
    No, I promised to love you, dear,
    But I must be leaving.

    O it's broken the lock and splintered the door,
    O it's the gate where they're turning, turning;
    Their boots are heavy on the floor
    And their eyes are burning."

    - WH Auden

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  • From john larkin@21:1/5 to cd999666@notformail.com on Tue Nov 19 17:00:16 2024
    On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 23:36:52 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 19:26:56 -0800, john larkin wrote:

    On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 19:40:52 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 11/18/2024 7:38 PM, john larkin wrote:

    It's not any secret the kind of Federal government the modern right
    wants, it's the "night watchman" state. Nobody left in government but >>>>> jackbooted tough guys stomping around shouting at people and
    demanding everyone's papers.

    The Left lost big on the election because they make no sense.

    Hint hint.


    A Democrat named Kamala Harris who was a former prosecutor and said
    she'd do "nothing different" lost, are you calling me a Democrat? that's >>>not very nice!

    Are you afraid of the jackbooted tough guys, or do you want to be one?

    What's a jack boot anyhow? Something like an Ugg?

    I assume this is the kind of fear he's got his knickers in a twist about:-

    "O what is that sound which so thrills the ear
    Down in the valley drumming, drumming?
    Only the scarlet soldiers, dear,
    The soldiers coming.

    O what is that light I see flashing so clear
    Over the distance brightly, brightly?
    Only the sun on their weapons, dear,
    As they step lightly.

    O what are they doing with all that gear,
    What are they doing this morning, morning?
    Only their usual manoeuvres, dear,
    Or perhaps a warning.

    O why have they left the road down there,
    Why are they suddenly wheeling, wheeling?
    Perhaps a change in their orders, dear,
    Why are you kneeling?

    O haven't they stopped for the doctor's care,
    Haven't they reined their horses, horses?
    Why, they are none of them wounded, dear,
    None of these forces.

    O is it the parson they want, with white hair,
    Is it the parson, is it, is it?
    No, they are passing his gateway, dear,
    Without a visit.

    O it must be the farmer that lives so near.
    It must be the farmer so cunning, so cunning?
    They have passed the farmyard already, dear,
    And now they are running.

    O where are you going? Stay with me here!
    Were the vows you swore deceiving, deceiving?
    No, I promised to love you, dear,
    But I must be leaving.

    O it's broken the lock and splintered the door,
    O it's the gate where they're turning, turning;
    Their boots are heavy on the floor
    And their eyes are burning."

    - WH Auden

    We have a jet fighter pilot in the family, about to retire. He's flown everything from F15s to warthogs. A super nice guy, good skiier.

    He says he's never killed anything except maybe some rabbits.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From john larkin@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 19 16:55:12 2024
    On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 18:13:19 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    If anyone doubted Trump was sincere in his intention to clean the
    Swamp they can surely doubt no longer. The Globalists who have
    covertly infiltrated so many Western governments to the detriment of
    their citizens must be shaking like shitting dogs by now. :-}

    This is cool:

    https://sfstandard.com/2024/11/19/ai-startup-founders-international-donald-trump/

    DT may turbocharge US technology, and the country, just when a lot of
    other countries (like in europe) are wallowing in bureaucracy and
    energy shortages and brain drain. And war.

    Not by doing more, but by doing less. Not by being brilliant, but by
    having common sense.

    Interesting times.

    (Of course, AI is a silly bubble and likely to crash.)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to john larkin on Wed Nov 20 13:21:02 2024
    On 20/11/2024 11:55 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 18:13:19 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    If anyone doubted Trump was sincere in his intention to clean the
    Swamp they can surely doubt no longer. The Globalists who have
    covertly infiltrated so many Western governments to the detriment of
    their citizens must be shaking like shitting dogs by now. :-}

    This is cool:

    https://sfstandard.com/2024/11/19/ai-startup-founders-international-donald-trump/

    DT may turbocharge US technology, and the country, just when a lot of
    other countries (like in Europe) are wallowing in bureaucracy and
    energy shortages and brain drain. And war.

    Nobody is "wallowing in energy shortages", and Europe isn't suffering
    from any kind of brain drain - the US isn't the Mecca it used to be for
    clever people. The money is still nice, but the life-style isn't nearly
    as attractive as it used to be. Bureaucracy has it's uses.

    Not by doing more, but by doing less.

    King log. We can hope. He's sounding more like king stork at the moment,
    but he lacks the attention span to follow through.

    Not by being brilliant, but by having common sense.

    Or claiming to have it. Donald Trump isn't going to turbocharge US
    technology. He doesn't know enough to distinguish the genuine whizz-kids
    from the confidence tricksters.

    Interesting times.

    As in the Chinese curse - may you live in interestng times.

    (Of course, AI is a silly bubble and likely to crash.)

    AI has it's applications, but give venture capitalists a buzz word and
    they will invest, and develop an acute fear of missing out.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to john larkin on Wed Nov 20 00:38:09 2024
    On 11/19/2024 7:55 PM, john larkin wrote:
    On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 18:13:19 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    If anyone doubted Trump was sincere in his intention to clean the
    Swamp they can surely doubt no longer. The Globalists who have
    covertly infiltrated so many Western governments to the detriment of
    their citizens must be shaking like shitting dogs by now. :-}

    This is cool:

    https://sfstandard.com/2024/11/19/ai-startup-founders-international-donald-trump/

    DT may turbocharge US technology, and the country, just when a lot of
    other countries (like in europe) are wallowing in bureaucracy and
    energy shortages and brain drain. And war.

    Not by doing more, but by doing less. Not by being brilliant, but by
    having common sense.

    Interesting times.

    (Of course, AI is a silly bubble and likely to crash.)


    The media will run out of stock footage of Trump eventually and will
    have to start completely relying on AI to give the appearance that he's actually in command of the country.

    Imagine if the Soviets had had that tech when Konstantin Chernenko was
    General Secretary.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to john larkin on Wed Nov 20 11:20:45 2024
    On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 17:00:16 -0800, john larkin wrote:

    On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 23:36:52 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 19:26:56 -0800, john larkin wrote:

    On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 19:40:52 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 11/18/2024 7:38 PM, john larkin wrote:

    It's not any secret the kind of Federal government the modern right >>>>>> wants, it's the "night watchman" state. Nobody left in government
    but jackbooted tough guys stomping around shouting at people and
    demanding everyone's papers.

    The Left lost big on the election because they make no sense.

    Hint hint.


    A Democrat named Kamala Harris who was a former prosecutor and said >>>>she'd do "nothing different" lost, are you calling me a Democrat? >>>>that's not very nice!

    Are you afraid of the jackbooted tough guys, or do you want to be one?

    What's a jack boot anyhow? Something like an Ugg?

    I assume this is the kind of fear he's got his knickers in a twist
    about:-

    "O what is that sound which so thrills the ear Down in the valley
    drumming, drumming?
    Only the scarlet soldiers, dear,
    The soldiers coming.

    O what is that light I see flashing so clear Over the distance brightly, >>brightly?
    Only the sun on their weapons, dear,
    As they step lightly.

    O what are they doing with all that gear,
    What are they doing this morning, morning?
    Only their usual manoeuvres, dear,
    Or perhaps a warning.

    O why have they left the road down there,
    Why are they suddenly wheeling, wheeling?
    Perhaps a change in their orders, dear,
    Why are you kneeling?

    O haven't they stopped for the doctor's care,
    Haven't they reined their horses, horses?
    Why, they are none of them wounded, dear,
    None of these forces.

    O is it the parson they want, with white hair,
    Is it the parson, is it, is it?
    No, they are passing his gateway, dear,
    Without a visit.

    O it must be the farmer that lives so near.
    It must be the farmer so cunning, so cunning?
    They have passed the farmyard already, dear,
    And now they are running.

    O where are you going? Stay with me here!
    Were the vows you swore deceiving, deceiving?
    No, I promised to love you, dear,
    But I must be leaving.

    O it's broken the lock and splintered the door,
    O it's the gate where they're turning, turning;
    Their boots are heavy on the floor And their eyes are burning."

    - WH Auden

    We have a jet fighter pilot in the family, about to retire. He's flown everything from F15s to warthogs. A super nice guy, good skiier.

    He says he's never killed anything except maybe some rabbits.

    Sounds like a missed opportunity. So many Commies he could have taken-out, given the right orders. ;-)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Thu Nov 21 00:47:09 2024
    On 20/11/2024 10:20 pm, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 17:00:16 -0800, john larkin wrote:

    On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 23:36:52 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
    <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 19:26:56 -0800, john larkin wrote:

    On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 19:40:52 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 11/18/2024 7:38 PM, john larkin wrote:

    It's not any secret the kind of Federal government the modern right >>>>>>> wants, it's the "night watchman" state. Nobody left in government >>>>>>> but jackbooted tough guys stomping around shouting at people and >>>>>>> demanding everyone's papers.

    The Left lost big on the election because they make no sense.

    Hint hint.


    A Democrat named Kamala Harris who was a former prosecutor and said
    she'd do "nothing different" lost, are you calling me a Democrat?
    that's not very nice!

    Are you afraid of the jackbooted tough guys, or do you want to be one? >>>>
    What's a jack boot anyhow? Something like an Ugg?

    I assume this is the kind of fear he's got his knickers in a twist
    about:-

    "O what is that sound which so thrills the ear Down in the valley
    drumming, drumming?
    Only the scarlet soldiers, dear,
    The soldiers coming.

    O what is that light I see flashing so clear Over the distance brightly, >>> brightly?
    Only the sun on their weapons, dear,
    As they step lightly.

    O what are they doing with all that gear,
    What are they doing this morning, morning?
    Only their usual manoeuvres, dear,
    Or perhaps a warning.

    O why have they left the road down there,
    Why are they suddenly wheeling, wheeling?
    Perhaps a change in their orders, dear,
    Why are you kneeling?

    O haven't they stopped for the doctor's care,
    Haven't they reined their horses, horses?
    Why, they are none of them wounded, dear,
    None of these forces.

    O is it the parson they want, with white hair,
    Is it the parson, is it, is it?
    No, they are passing his gateway, dear,
    Without a visit.

    O it must be the farmer that lives so near.
    It must be the farmer so cunning, so cunning?
    They have passed the farmyard already, dear,
    And now they are running.

    O where are you going? Stay with me here!
    Were the vows you swore deceiving, deceiving?
    No, I promised to love you, dear,
    But I must be leaving.

    O it's broken the lock and splintered the door,
    O it's the gate where they're turning, turning;
    Their boots are heavy on the floor And their eyes are burning."

    - WH Auden

    We have a jet fighter pilot in the family, about to retire. He's flown
    everything from F15s to warthogs. A super nice guy, good skiier.

    He says he's never killed anything except maybe some rabbits.

    Sounds like a missed opportunity. So many Commies he could have taken-out, given the right orders. ;-)

    And what positive consequences would that have had? Killing off enough cannon-fodder is what wins actual wars, but - as Israel is demonstrating
    in Gaza - you can kill off a lot of cannon-fodder without making any
    progress on solving the problem you actually have to solve.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From john larkin@21:1/5 to bitrex on Wed Nov 20 07:30:00 2024
    On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 00:38:09 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 11/19/2024 7:55 PM, john larkin wrote:
    On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 18:13:19 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    If anyone doubted Trump was sincere in his intention to clean the
    Swamp they can surely doubt no longer. The Globalists who have
    covertly infiltrated so many Western governments to the detriment of
    their citizens must be shaking like shitting dogs by now. :-}

    This is cool:

    https://sfstandard.com/2024/11/19/ai-startup-founders-international-donald-trump/

    DT may turbocharge US technology, and the country, just when a lot of
    other countries (like in europe) are wallowing in bureaucracy and
    energy shortages and brain drain. And war.

    Not by doing more, but by doing less. Not by being brilliant, but by
    having common sense.

    Interesting times.

    (Of course, AI is a silly bubble and likely to crash.)


    The media will run out of stock footage of Trump eventually and will
    have to start completely relying on AI to give the appearance that he's >actually in command of the country.

    The President has defined and limited responsibilities, and he's not a
    King. The 300 million citizens should be "in command of the country."

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to john larkin on Wed Nov 20 18:17:03 2024
    On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 07:30:00 -0800, john larkin wrote:

    On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 00:38:09 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 11/19/2024 7:55 PM, john larkin wrote:
    On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 18:13:19 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    If anyone doubted Trump was sincere in his intention to clean the
    Swamp they can surely doubt no longer. The Globalists who have
    covertly infiltrated so many Western governments to the detriment of
    their citizens must be shaking like shitting dogs by now. :-}

    This is cool:

    https://sfstandard.com/2024/11/19/ai-startup-founders-international- donald-trump/

    DT may turbocharge US technology, and the country, just when a lot of
    other countries (like in europe) are wallowing in bureaucracy and
    energy shortages and brain drain. And war.

    Not by doing more, but by doing less. Not by being brilliant, but by
    having common sense.

    Interesting times.

    (Of course, AI is a silly bubble and likely to crash.)


    The media will run out of stock footage of Trump eventually and will
    have to start completely relying on AI to give the appearance that he's >>actually in command of the country.

    The President has defined and limited responsibilities, and he's not a
    King. The 300 million citizens should be "in command of the country."

    The world would be a more peaceful and prosperous place if that were the
    case in all countries, I'd imagine. Shame it'll never come to pass.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From john larkin@21:1/5 to cd999666@notformail.com on Wed Nov 20 12:11:14 2024
    On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 18:17:03 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 07:30:00 -0800, john larkin wrote:

    On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 00:38:09 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 11/19/2024 7:55 PM, john larkin wrote:
    On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 18:13:19 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    If anyone doubted Trump was sincere in his intention to clean the
    Swamp they can surely doubt no longer. The Globalists who have
    covertly infiltrated so many Western governments to the detriment of >>>>> their citizens must be shaking like shitting dogs by now. :-}

    This is cool:

    https://sfstandard.com/2024/11/19/ai-startup-founders-international- >donald-trump/

    DT may turbocharge US technology, and the country, just when a lot of
    other countries (like in europe) are wallowing in bureaucracy and
    energy shortages and brain drain. And war.

    Not by doing more, but by doing less. Not by being brilliant, but by
    having common sense.

    Interesting times.

    (Of course, AI is a silly bubble and likely to crash.)


    The media will run out of stock footage of Trump eventually and will
    have to start completely relying on AI to give the appearance that he's >>>actually in command of the country.

    The President has defined and limited responsibilities, and he's not a
    King. The 300 million citizens should be "in command of the country."

    The world would be a more peaceful and prosperous place if that were the
    case in all countries, I'd imagine. Shame it'll never come to pass.

    There are lots of places still dominated by religious and tribal
    warfare. A region at peace is historically rare.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Clive Arthur@21:1/5 to john larkin on Wed Nov 20 22:18:35 2024
    On 20/11/2024 20:11, john larkin wrote:

    There are lots of places still dominated by religious and tribal
    warfare.

    My irony meter just exploded. Even though it was made of iron.

    --
    Cheers
    Clive

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to john larkin on Wed Nov 20 22:37:38 2024
    On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 12:11:14 -0800, john larkin wrote:

    On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 18:17:03 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 07:30:00 -0800, john larkin wrote:

    On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 00:38:09 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 11/19/2024 7:55 PM, john larkin wrote:
    On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 18:13:19 +0000, Cursitor Doom
    <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    If anyone doubted Trump was sincere in his intention to clean the
    Swamp they can surely doubt no longer. The Globalists who have
    covertly infiltrated so many Western governments to the detriment
    of their citizens must be shaking like shitting dogs by now. :-}

    This is cool:

    https://sfstandard.com/2024/11/19/ai-startup-founders-international- >>donald-trump/

    DT may turbocharge US technology, and the country, just when a lot
    of other countries (like in europe) are wallowing in bureaucracy and >>>>> energy shortages and brain drain. And war.

    Not by doing more, but by doing less. Not by being brilliant, but by >>>>> having common sense.

    Interesting times.

    (Of course, AI is a silly bubble and likely to crash.)


    The media will run out of stock footage of Trump eventually and will >>>>have to start completely relying on AI to give the appearance that
    he's actually in command of the country.

    The President has defined and limited responsibilities, and he's not a
    King. The 300 million citizens should be "in command of the country."

    The world would be a more peaceful and prosperous place if that were the >>case in all countries, I'd imagine. Shame it'll never come to pass.

    There are lots of places still dominated by religious and tribal
    warfare. A region at peace is historically rare.

    Well, one of Hitler's buddies said that the natural state of man is
    perpetual war, which I thought was absurd and unduly pessimistic. However,
    now I'm a little older and wiser, I realise he was right. :(

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From john larkin@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 20 19:27:37 2024
    On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 16:55:12 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 18:13:19 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    If anyone doubted Trump was sincere in his intention to clean the
    Swamp they can surely doubt no longer. The Globalists who have
    covertly infiltrated so many Western governments to the detriment of
    their citizens must be shaking like shitting dogs by now. :-}

    This is cool:

    https://sfstandard.com/2024/11/19/ai-startup-founders-international-donald-trump/

    DT may turbocharge US technology, and the country, just when a lot of
    other countries (like in europe) are wallowing in bureaucracy and
    energy shortages and brain drain. And war.

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-sun-setting-european-style-060200958.html

    I guess not having babies is good for the planet in the long term, but
    the transition will be painful, especially with people in general
    being less productive.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Thu Nov 21 17:28:49 2024
    On 21/11/2024 5:17 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 07:30:00 -0800, john larkin wrote:

    On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 00:38:09 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 11/19/2024 7:55 PM, john larkin wrote:
    On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 18:13:19 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    If anyone doubted Trump was sincere in his intention to clean the
    Swamp they can surely doubt no longer. The Globalists who have
    covertly infiltrated so many Western governments to the detriment of >>>>> their citizens must be shaking like shitting dogs by now. :-}

    This is cool:

    https://sfstandard.com/2024/11/19/ai-startup-founders-international-
    donald-trump/

    DT may turbocharge US technology, and the country, just when a lot of
    other countries (like in europe) are wallowing in bureaucracy and
    energy shortages and brain drain. And war.

    Not by doing more, but by doing less. Not by being brilliant, but by
    having common sense.

    Interesting times.

    (Of course, AI is a silly bubble and likely to crash.)


    The media will run out of stock footage of Trump eventually and will
    have to start completely relying on AI to give the appearance that he's
    actually in command of the country.

    The President has defined and limited responsibilities, and he's not a
    King. The 300 million citizens should be "in command of the country."

    The world would be a more peaceful and prosperous place if that were the
    case in all countries, I'd imagine.

    On the passing of the UK Reform Act of 1867 Robert Lowe, Lord Sherbrooke
    said

    "I believe it will be absolutely necessary that you should prevail on
    our future masters to learn their letters."
    popularly summarized as: ‘We must educate our masters’ in a
    speech on the passing of the Reform Bill, in the House of Commons, 15
    July 1867.

    When Donald Trump can win the popular vote for US president, it's
    fairly clear that the project hasn't been completed there.

    Shame it'll never come to pass.

    We may have to educate them better first. Cursitor Doom would resist
    that. He's fond of his fatuous misconceptions.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to john larkin on Thu Nov 21 17:30:56 2024
    On 21/11/2024 7:11 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 18:17:03 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 07:30:00 -0800, john larkin wrote:

    On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 00:38:09 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 11/19/2024 7:55 PM, john larkin wrote:
    On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 18:13:19 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> >>>>> wrote:

    If anyone doubted Trump was sincere in his intention to clean the
    Swamp they can surely doubt no longer. The Globalists who have
    covertly infiltrated so many Western governments to the detriment of >>>>>> their citizens must be shaking like shitting dogs by now. :-}

    This is cool:

    https://sfstandard.com/2024/11/19/ai-startup-founders-international-
    donald-trump/

    DT may turbocharge US technology, and the country, just when a lot of >>>>> other countries (like in europe) are wallowing in bureaucracy and
    energy shortages and brain drain. And war.

    Not by doing more, but by doing less. Not by being brilliant, but by >>>>> having common sense.

    Interesting times.

    (Of course, AI is a silly bubble and likely to crash.)


    The media will run out of stock footage of Trump eventually and will
    have to start completely relying on AI to give the appearance that he's >>>> actually in command of the country.

    The President has defined and limited responsibilities, and he's not a
    King. The 300 million citizens should be "in command of the country."

    The world would be a more peaceful and prosperous place if that were the
    case in all countries, I'd imagine. Shame it'll never come to pass.

    There are lots of places still dominated by religious and tribal
    warfare. A region at peace is historically rare.

    The Christian right in the US does seem to be a war with the rational
    part of the US population.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to john larkin on Thu Nov 21 17:45:17 2024
    On 21/11/2024 2:27 pm, john larkin wrote:
    On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 16:55:12 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 18:13:19 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    If anyone doubted Trump was sincere in his intention to clean the
    Swamp they can surely doubt no longer. The Globalists who have
    covertly infiltrated so many Western governments to the detriment of
    their citizens must be shaking like shitting dogs by now. :-}

    This is cool:

    https://sfstandard.com/2024/11/19/ai-startup-founders-international-donald-trump/

    DT may turbocharge US technology, and the country, just when a lot of
    other countries (like in europe) are wallowing in bureaucracy and
    energy shortages and brain drain. And war.

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-sun-setting-european-style-060200958.html

    I guess not having babies is good for the planet in the long term, but
    the transition will be painful, especially with people in general
    being less productive.

    It's an article from the UK Daily Telegraph, which is rabidly
    right-wing. Europe is - in fact - doing fine in technology, and the
    threatened wave of elderly pensioners mostly chose to keep on working
    after their official retirement age, which was set back when medical
    care was a lot less effective that it is now, and there was a lot more
    manual labour to be done.

    It's Cursitor Doom level deluded nonsense, take from one of his
    favourite sources.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Thu Nov 21 17:34:32 2024
    On 21/11/2024 9:37 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 12:11:14 -0800, john larkin wrote:

    On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 18:17:03 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
    <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 07:30:00 -0800, john larkin wrote:

    On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 00:38:09 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 11/19/2024 7:55 PM, john larkin wrote:
    On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 18:13:19 +0000, Cursitor Doom
    <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    If anyone doubted Trump was sincere in his intention to clean the >>>>>>> Swamp they can surely doubt no longer. The Globalists who have
    covertly infiltrated so many Western governments to the detriment >>>>>>> of their citizens must be shaking like shitting dogs by now. :-}

    This is cool:

    https://sfstandard.com/2024/11/19/ai-startup-founders-international-
    donald-trump/

    DT may turbocharge US technology, and the country, just when a lot >>>>>> of other countries (like in europe) are wallowing in bureaucracy and >>>>>> energy shortages and brain drain. And war.

    Not by doing more, but by doing less. Not by being brilliant, but by >>>>>> having common sense.

    Interesting times.

    (Of course, AI is a silly bubble and likely to crash.)


    The media will run out of stock footage of Trump eventually and will >>>>> have to start completely relying on AI to give the appearance that
    he's actually in command of the country.

    The President has defined and limited responsibilities, and he's not a >>>> King. The 300 million citizens should be "in command of the country."

    The world would be a more peaceful and prosperous place if that were the >>> case in all countries, I'd imagine. Shame it'll never come to pass.

    There are lots of places still dominated by religious and tribal
    warfare. A region at peace is historically rare.

    Well, one of Hitler's buddies said that the natural state of man is
    perpetual war, which I thought was absurd and unduly pessimistic. However, now I'm a little older and wiser, I realise he was right. :(

    Not that you are yet anywhere near wise. The number of fatuous delusions
    you accept as true representations of reality leaves you a long way
    short of wisdom.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to bill.sloman@ieee.org on Thu Nov 21 09:47:56 2024
    XPost: us.politics

    On a sunny day (Thu, 21 Nov 2024 17:45:17 +1100) it happened Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vhmku6$hfh9$4@dont-email.me>:

    On 21/11/2024 2:27 pm, john larkin wrote:
    On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 16:55:12 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 18:13:19 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    If anyone doubted Trump was sincere in his intention to clean the
    Swamp they can surely doubt no longer. The Globalists who have
    covertly infiltrated so many Western governments to the detriment of
    their citizens must be shaking like shitting dogs by now. :-}

    This is cool:

    https://sfstandard.com/2024/11/19/ai-startup-founders-international-donald-trump/

    DT may turbocharge US technology, and the country, just when a lot of
    other countries (like in europe) are wallowing in bureaucracy and
    energy shortages and brain drain. And war.

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-sun-setting-european-style-060200958.html >>
    I guess not having babies is good for the planet in the long term, but
    the transition will be painful, especially with people in general
    being less productive.

    It's an article from the UK Daily Telegraph, which is rabidly
    right-wing. Europe is - in fact - doing fine in technology, and the >threatened wave of elderly pensioners mostly chose to keep on working
    after their official retirement age, which was set back when medical
    care was a lot less effective that it is now, and there was a lot more
    manual labour to be done.

    It's Cursitor Doom level deluded nonsense, take from one of his
    favourite sources.


    When Donald took power the previous time he was trumpeting Boeing (maybe wanted a better airforce one?)
    Now Bo[e]ing is close to death, massively firing people..
    possibly because the Trump style of 'profit first, quality and rules not important' killed it.

    I would expect Trump's inauguration as first 'King of the States' in a quick vote
    as there is a majority in both the House and Senate.

    Good? Bad? The current ByeThen preCedent with his COVID shot blood clot caused starving brain may
    start WW3 before the Trumpists take over..

    Russia versus YouCrane
    It makes no sense other then weapon sales, weakening Europe, same as that other demonrat Clignon did.
    If you have a problem getting loose a big nut, use BIG pliers!
    The nut in this case shitlensky and sending toy drones is like destroying one precious tweezers after the other to get it lose.
    Get the biggest pliers you have and that is nukes for Russia, nuke Kiev and be done with it
    Bad? And what did the YouAsh do in WW2 with the Japanese civilians?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Fri Nov 22 00:51:13 2024
    XPost: us.politics

    On 21/11/2024 8:47 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Thu, 21 Nov 2024 17:45:17 +1100) it happened Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vhmku6$hfh9$4@dont-email.me>:

    On 21/11/2024 2:27 pm, john larkin wrote:
    On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 16:55:12 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 18:13:19 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    <snip>

    Russia versus YouCrane
    It makes no sense other then weapon sales, weakening Europe, same as that other democrat Clinton did.

    Russia seems to think it makes sense. It's been working on nibbling off
    bits of the Ukraine for years - starting with the Crimean peninsula in
    2014. Zelensky wasn't in power back then. He didn't get elected until 2019.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation

    This didn't generate much in the way of weapons sales. The Russian
    invasion of the Ukraine in 2022 did generate quite a lot of weapons
    sales, but that was a purely Russian initiative.

    If you have a problem getting loose a big nut, use BIG pliers!
    The nut in this case is Zelensky and sending toy drones is like destroying one precious tweezers after the other to get it lose.

    Zelensky didn't start the war, and his crime - in your eyes - lies in
    his not having surrendered to the Russians in 2022 as they clearly
    expected him to.

    Get the biggest pliers you have and that is nukes for Russia, nuke Kiev and be done with it
    Bad? And what did the US do in WW2 with the Japanese civilians?

    The Japanese did start that war - by the surprise attack on the American
    fleet at Pearl Harbour. It four years of very skilled and expensive work
    to get the Americans big enough pliers to discourage in the nuts in Tokyo.

    Dropping hydrogen bombs on Kyiv might win the war against the Ukraine
    for the Russians, but the international reaction would probably drop a
    lot of hydrogen bombs on Moscow and every place where Russia has stocks
    of nuclear weapons. If Putin got that ambitious there's no telling where
    he would go next, and premptive destruction would probably minimise
    Western casualties in the long term - they'd probably still be huge,
    but a premptive strike would probably destroy enough Russian nuclear
    weapons to save some lives in the long run.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to bill.sloman@ieee.org on Thu Nov 21 15:17:42 2024
    XPost: us.politics

    On a sunny day (Fri, 22 Nov 2024 00:51:13 +1100) it happened Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vhndst$lnst$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 21/11/2024 8:47 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Thu, 21 Nov 2024 17:45:17 +1100) it happened Bill Sloman
    <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vhmku6$hfh9$4@dont-email.me>:

    On 21/11/2024 2:27 pm, john larkin wrote:
    On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 16:55:12 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 18:13:19 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> >>>>> wrote:

    <snip>

    Russia versus YouCrane
    It makes no sense other then weapon sales, weakening Europe, same as that other democrat Clinton did.

    Russia seems to think it makes sense. It's been working on nibbling off
    bits of the Ukraine for years - starting with the Crimean peninsula in
    2014. Zelensky wasn't in power back then. He didn't get elected until 2019.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation

    This didn't generate much in the way of weapons sales. The Russian
    invasion of the Ukraine in 2022 did generate quite a lot of weapons
    sales, but that was a purely Russian initiative.

    Nope, After ByeThen met Putin and asked him what would be un-acceptable to him ByeThen did exactly that and that way triggered that war, 'lensky is just a CIA agent
    like many others all over the world making unrest so YouAsh can sell more weapons.
    With Trump as the new King of States maybe he gets that deep state working for the common people
    not having to pay taxes for a few ruthless weapon manufacturers and their sales men killing
    millions all over the world and in their own country, even kids in schools shooting each other with automatic weapons.
    Better fix the infrastructure, again thousands without power, now in the west.




    If you have a problem getting loose a big nut, use BIG pliers!
    The nut in this case is Zelensky and sending toy drones is like destroying one precious tweezers after the other to get it
    lose.

    Zelensky didn't start the war, and his crime - in your eyes - lies in
    his not having surrendered to the Russians in 2022 as they clearly
    expected him to.

    Get the biggest pliers you have and that is nukes for Russia, nuke Kiev and be done with it
    Bad? And what did the US do in WW2 with the Japanese civilians?

    The Japanese did start that war - by the surprise attack on the American >fleet at Pearl Harbour. It four years of very skilled and expensive work
    to get the Americans big enough pliers to discourage in the nuts in Tokyo.

    Dropping hydrogen bombs on Kyiv might win the war against the Ukraine
    for the Russians, but the international reaction would probably drop a
    lot of hydrogen bombs on Moscow and every place where Russia has stocks
    of nuclear weapons. If Putin got that ambitious there's no telling where
    he would go next, and premptive destruction would probably minimise
    Western casualties in the long term - they'd probably still be huge,
    but a premptive strike would probably destroy enough Russian nuclear
    weapons to save some lives in the long run.

    China, Russia, N Korea, Pakistan, India, many more have nukes, and would not just standby and look.

    Blowing up the gas pipes from Russia to Europe is equivalent to starting a war. Nuking the US into oblivion is a given if it does not change ways.
    Trump, if he does not get shot by demonrats, may be the US's last chance.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Fri Nov 22 15:12:03 2024
    XPost: us.politics

    On 22/11/2024 2:17 am, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Fri, 22 Nov 2024 00:51:13 +1100) it happened Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vhndst$lnst$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 21/11/2024 8:47 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Thu, 21 Nov 2024 17:45:17 +1100) it happened Bill Sloman >>> <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vhmku6$hfh9$4@dont-email.me>:

    On 21/11/2024 2:27 pm, john larkin wrote:
    On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 16:55:12 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>>>> wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 18:13:19 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> >>>>>> wrote:

    <snip>

    Russia versus YouCrane
    It makes no sense other then weapon sales, weakening Europe, same as that other democrat Clinton did.

    Russia seems to think it makes sense. It's been working on nibbling off
    bits of the Ukraine for years - starting with the Crimean peninsula in
    2014. Zelensky wasn't in power back then. He didn't get elected until 2019. >>
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation >>
    This didn't generate much in the way of weapons sales. The Russian
    invasion of the Ukraine in 2022 did generate quite a lot of weapons
    sales, but that was a purely Russian initiative.

    Nope, After ByeThen met Putin and asked him what would be un-acceptable to him
    ByeThen did exactly that and that way triggered that war, 'lensky is just a CIA agent
    like many others all over the world making unrest so YouAsh can sell more weapons.
    With Trump as the new King of States maybe he gets that deep state working for the common people
    not having to pay taxes for a few ruthless weapon manufacturers and their sales men killing
    millions all over the world and in their own country, even kids in schools shooting each other with automatic weapons.
    Better fix the infrastructure, again thousands without power, now in the west.




    If you have a problem getting loose a big nut, use BIG pliers!
    The nut in this case is Zelensky and sending toy drones is like destroying one precious tweezers after the other to get it
    lose.

    Zelensky didn't start the war, and his crime - in your eyes - lies in
    his not having surrendered to the Russians in 2022 as they clearly
    expected him to.

    Get the biggest pliers you have and that is nukes for Russia, nuke Kiev and be done with it
    Bad? And what did the US do in WW2 with the Japanese civilians?

    The Japanese did start that war - by the surprise attack on the American
    fleet at Pearl Harbour. It four years of very skilled and expensive work
    to get the Americans big enough pliers to discourage in the nuts in Tokyo. >>
    Dropping hydrogen bombs on Kyiv might win the war against the Ukraine
    for the Russians, but the international reaction would probably drop a
    lot of hydrogen bombs on Moscow and every place where Russia has stocks
    of nuclear weapons. If Putin got that ambitious there's no telling where
    he would go next, and premptive destruction would probably minimise
    Western casualties in the long term - they'd probably still be huge,
    but a premptive strike would probably destroy enough Russian nuclear
    weapons to save some lives in the long run.

    China, Russia, N Korea, Pakistan, India, many more have nukes, and would not just standby and look.

    Do pay attention - I was talking about the international reaction to
    Russia having had a psychotic breakdown in it's leadership.

    Any country deciding to purge them of the psychotic leaders and as many
    of the nuclear weapons that any survivor might launch could rely on
    support from non-psychotic leaders

    Blowing up the gas pipes from Russia to Europe is equivalent to starting a war.

    It didn't start any war. The Russians had already invaded Ukraine when
    it happened.

    Nuking the US into oblivion is a given if it does not change ways.

    Russia and China are both behaving badly too - Russia has physically
    invaded Ukraine, which worse than anything the US has done.

    Trump, if he does not get shot by democrats, may be the US's last chance.

    Last chance to degenerate into a totally third world country?

    Probably not. There are lots of US politicians who are psychotic enough
    to embrace that as an ambition.

    Trump hasn't yet had people he doesn't like murdered overseas with the
    US equivalent of novichok, but he seems sympathetic to Putin, who has.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to bill.sloman@ieee.org on Fri Nov 22 06:36:28 2024
    XPost: us.politics

    On a sunny day (Fri, 22 Nov 2024 15:12:03 +1100) it happened Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vhp0at$11gf7$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 22/11/2024 2:17 am, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Fri, 22 Nov 2024 00:51:13 +1100) it happened Bill Sloman
    <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vhndst$lnst$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 21/11/2024 8:47 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Thu, 21 Nov 2024 17:45:17 +1100) it happened Bill Sloman >>>> <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vhmku6$hfh9$4@dont-email.me>:

    On 21/11/2024 2:27 pm, john larkin wrote:
    On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 16:55:12 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>>>>> wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 18:13:19 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> >>>>>>> wrote:

    <snip>

    Russia versus YouCrane
    It makes no sense other then weapon sales, weakening Europe, same as that other democrat Clinton did.

    Russia seems to think it makes sense. It's been working on nibbling off
    bits of the Ukraine for years - starting with the Crimean peninsula in
    2014. Zelensky wasn't in power back then. He didn't get elected until 2019. >>>
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation

    This didn't generate much in the way of weapons sales. The Russian
    invasion of the Ukraine in 2022 did generate quite a lot of weapons
    sales, but that was a purely Russian initiative.

    Nope, After ByeThen met Putin and asked him what would be un-acceptable to him
    ByeThen did exactly that and that way triggered that war, 'lensky is just a CIA agent
    like many others all over the world making unrest so YouAsh can sell more weapons.
    With Trump as the new King of States maybe he gets that deep state working for the common people
    not having to pay taxes for a few ruthless weapon manufacturers and their sales men killing
    millions all over the world and in their own country, even kids in schools shooting each other with automatic weapons.
    Better fix the infrastructure, again thousands without power, now in the west.




    If you have a problem getting loose a big nut, use BIG pliers!
    The nut in this case is Zelensky and sending toy drones is like destroying one precious tweezers after the other to get it
    lose.

    Zelensky didn't start the war, and his crime - in your eyes - lies in
    his not having surrendered to the Russians in 2022 as they clearly
    expected him to.

    Get the biggest pliers you have and that is nukes for Russia, nuke Kiev and be done with it
    Bad? And what did the US do in WW2 with the Japanese civilians?

    The Japanese did start that war - by the surprise attack on the American >>> fleet at Pearl Harbour. It four years of very skilled and expensive work >>> to get the Americans big enough pliers to discourage in the nuts in Tokyo. >>>
    Dropping hydrogen bombs on Kyiv might win the war against the Ukraine
    for the Russians, but the international reaction would probably drop a
    lot of hydrogen bombs on Moscow and every place where Russia has stocks
    of nuclear weapons. If Putin got that ambitious there's no telling where >>> he would go next, and premptive destruction would probably minimise
    Western casualties in the long term - they'd probably still be huge,
    but a premptive strike would probably destroy enough Russian nuclear
    weapons to save some lives in the long run.

    China, Russia, N Korea, Pakistan, India, many more have nukes, and would not just standby and look.

    Do pay attention - I was talking about the international reaction to
    Russia having had a psychotic breakdown in it's leadership.

    Any country deciding to purge them of the psychotic leaders and as many
    of the nuclear weapons that any survivor might launch could rely on
    support from non-psychotic leaders

    Blowing up the gas pipes from Russia to Europe is equivalent to starting a war.

    It didn't start any war. The Russians had already invaded Ukraine when
    it happened.

    Nuking the US into oblivion is a given if it does not change ways.

    Russia and China are both behaving badly too - Russia has physically
    invaded Ukraine, which worse than anything the US has done.

    Trump, if he does not get shot by democrats, may be the US's last chance.

    Last chance to degenerate into a totally third world country?

    Probably not. There are lots of US politicians who are psychotic enough
    to embrace that as an ambition.

    Trump hasn't yet had people he doesn't like murdered overseas with the
    US equivalent of novichok, but he seems sympathetic to Putin, who has.

    Brain defective ByeThen and Chameleon are played by the genocide committing YouAsh Youws
    Putin was just selling gas to Europe
    De-stabilizing the EU (and other regions of the world) just to make the Euro weaker
    has not worked.
    YouAsh influence is becoming less, its products suck (F35 is a disaster) so are Boeing planes..
    cars...
    Now look at this speech I just found on rt.com
    blocked in this part of the world on order of the YouAsh

    From
    https://www.rt.com/russia/608008-putin-ukraine-full-speech/

    Russian President Vladimir Putin delivered a televised address from the Kremlin on Thursday evening
    Putin outlines Moscow’s response to Ukraine escalation (FULL SPEECH)

    President Vladimir Putin has promised a decisive response to any aggression, criticizing the West for escalating tensions, and reiterated Moscow’s willingness to engage in peace talks to resolve the Ukraine conflict.
    Here’s a full text of Putin’s address, as provided by the Kremlin. President of Russia Vladimir Putin: I would like to inform the military personnel of the Russian Federation Armed Forces, citizens of our country, our friends across the globe, and those who persist in the illusion that a strategic defeat can be
    inflicted upon Russia, about the events taking place today in the zone of the special military operation, specifically following the attacks by Western long-range weapons against our territory.
    The escalation of the conflict in Ukraine, instigated by the West, continues with the United States and its NATO allies previously announcing that they authorise the use of their long-range high-precision weapons for strikes inside the Russian Federation.
    Experts are well aware, and the Russian side has repeatedly highlighted it, that the use of such weapons is not possible without the direct involvement of military experts from the manufacturing nations.
    On November 19, six ATACMS tactical ballistic missiles produced by the United States, and on November 21, during a combined missile assault involving British Storm Shadow systems and HIMARS systems produced by the US, attacked military facilities inside
    the Russian Federation in the Bryansk and Kursk regions.
    From that point onward, as we have repeatedly emphasised in prior communications, the regional conflict in Ukraine provoked by the West has assumed elements of a global nature.
    Our air defence systems successfully counteracted these incursions, preventing the enemy from achieving their apparent objectives.
    The fire at the ammunition depot in the Bryansk Region, caused by the debris of ATACMS missiles, was extinguished without casualties or significant damage.
    In the Kursk Region, the attack targeted one of the command posts of our group North.
    Regrettably, the attack and the subsequent air defence battle resulted in casualties, both fatalities and injuries, among the perimeter security units and servicing staff.
    However, the command and operational staff of the control centre suffered no casualties and continues to manage effectively the operations of our forces to eliminate and push enemy units out of the Kursk Region.
    I wish to underscore once again that the use by the enemy of such weapons cannot affect the course of combat operations in the special military operation zone.
    Our forces are making successful advances along the entire line of contact, and all objectives we have set will be accomplished.
    In response to the deployment of American and British long-range weapons, on November 21, the Russian Armed Forces delivered a combined strike on a facility within Ukraine’s defence industrial complex.
    In field conditions, we also carried out tests of one of Russia’s latest medium-range missile systems – in this case, carrying a non-nuclear hypersonic ballistic missile that our engineers named Oreshnik.
    The tests were successful, achieving the intended objective of the launch.
    In the city of Dnepropetrovsk, Ukraine, one of the largest and most famous industrial complexes from the Soviet Union era, which continues to produce missiles and other armaments, was hit.
    We are developing intermediate-range and shorter-range missiles in response to US plans to produce and deploy intermediate-range and shorter-range missiles in Europe and the Asia-Pacific region.
    We believe that the United States made a mistake by unilaterally destroying the INF Treaty in 2019 under far-fetched pretext.
    Today, the United States is not only producing such equipment, but, as we can see, it has worked out ways to deploy its advanced missile systems to different regions of the world, including Europe, during training exercises for its troops.
    Moreover, in the course of these exercises, they are conducting training for using them.
    As a reminder, Russia has voluntarily and unilaterally committed not to deploy intermediate-range and shorter-range missiles until US weapons of this kind appear in any region of the world.
    To reiterate, we are conducting combat tests of the Oreshnik missile system in response to NATO’s aggressive actions against Russia.
    Our decision on further deployment of intermediate-range and shorter-range missiles will depend on the actions of the United States and its satellites.
    We will determine the targets during further tests of our advanced missile systems based on the threats to the security of the Russian Federation.
    We consider ourselves entitled to use our weapons against military facilities of those countries that allow to use their weapons against our facilities, and in case of an escalation of aggressive actions, we will respond decisively and in mirror-like
    manner.
    I recommend that the ruling elites of the countries that are hatching plans to use their military contingents against Russia seriously consider this.
    It goes without saying that when choosing, if necessary and as a retaliatory measure, targets to be hit by systems such as Oreshnik on Ukrainian territory, we will in advance suggest that civilians and citizens of friendly countries residing in those
    areas leave danger zones.
    We will do so for humanitarian reasons, openly and publicly, without fear of counter-moves coming from the enemy, who will also be receiving this information.
    Why without fear? Because there are no means of countering such weapons today. Missiles attack targets at a speed of Mach 10, which is 2.5 to 3 kilometres per second.
    Air defence systems currently available in the world and missile defence systems being created by the Americans in Europe cannot intercept such missiles.
    It is impossible.
    I would like to emphasise once again that it was not Russia, but the United States that destroyed the international security system and, by continuing to fight, cling to its hegemony, they are pushing the whole world into a global conflict.
    We have always preferred and are ready now to resolve all disputes by peaceful means.
    But we are also ready for any turn of events.
    If anyone still doubts this, make no mistake: there will always be a response. You can share this story on social media

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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Fri Nov 22 18:20:16 2024
    XPost: us.politics

    On 22/11/2024 5:36 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Fri, 22 Nov 2024 15:12:03 +1100) it happened Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vhp0at$11gf7$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 22/11/2024 2:17 am, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Fri, 22 Nov 2024 00:51:13 +1100) it happened Bill Sloman >>> <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vhndst$lnst$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 21/11/2024 8:47 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Thu, 21 Nov 2024 17:45:17 +1100) it happened Bill Sloman >>>>> <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vhmku6$hfh9$4@dont-email.me>:

    On 21/11/2024 2:27 pm, john larkin wrote:
    On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 16:55:12 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>>>>>> wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 18:13:19 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:

    <snip>

    Russia versus YouCrane
    It makes no sense other then weapon sales, weakening Europe, same as that other democrat Clinton did.

    Russia seems to think it makes sense. It's been working on nibbling off >>>> bits of the Ukraine for years - starting with the Crimean peninsula in >>>> 2014. Zelensky wasn't in power back then. He didn't get elected until 2019.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation

    This didn't generate much in the way of weapons sales. The Russian
    invasion of the Ukraine in 2022 did generate quite a lot of weapons
    sales, but that was a purely Russian initiative.

    Nope, After ByeThen met Putin and asked him what would be un-acceptable to him
    ByeThen did exactly that and that way triggered that war, 'lensky is just a CIA agent
    like many others all over the world making unrest so YouAsh can sell more weapons.
    With Trump as the new King of States maybe he gets that deep state working for the common people
    not having to pay taxes for a few ruthless weapon manufacturers and their sales men killing
    millions all over the world and in their own country, even kids in schools shooting each other with automatic weapons.
    Better fix the infrastructure, again thousands without power, now in the west.




    If you have a problem getting loose a big nut, use BIG pliers!
    The nut in this case is Zelensky and sending toy drones is like destroying one precious tweezers after the other to get it
    lose.

    Zelensky didn't start the war, and his crime - in your eyes - lies in
    his not having surrendered to the Russians in 2022 as they clearly
    expected him to.

    Get the biggest pliers you have and that is nukes for Russia, nuke Kiev and be done with it
    Bad? And what did the US do in WW2 with the Japanese civilians?

    The Japanese did start that war - by the surprise attack on the American >>>> fleet at Pearl Harbour. It four years of very skilled and expensive work >>>> to get the Americans big enough pliers to discourage in the nuts in Tokyo. >>>>
    Dropping hydrogen bombs on Kyiv might win the war against the Ukraine
    for the Russians, but the international reaction would probably drop a >>>> lot of hydrogen bombs on Moscow and every place where Russia has stocks >>>> of nuclear weapons. If Putin got that ambitious there's no telling where >>>> he would go next, and premptive destruction would probably minimise
    Western casualties in the long term - they'd probably still be huge,
    but a premptive strike would probably destroy enough Russian nuclear
    weapons to save some lives in the long run.

    China, Russia, N Korea, Pakistan, India, many more have nukes, and would not just standby and look.

    Do pay attention - I was talking about the international reaction to
    Russia having had a psychotic breakdown in it's leadership.

    Any country deciding to purge them of the psychotic leaders and as many
    of the nuclear weapons that any survivor might launch could rely on
    support from non-psychotic leaders

    Blowing up the gas pipes from Russia to Europe is equivalent to starting a war.

    It didn't start any war. The Russians had already invaded Ukraine when
    it happened.

    Nuking the US into oblivion is a given if it does not change ways.

    Russia and China are both behaving badly too - Russia has physically
    invaded Ukraine, which worse than anything the US has done.

    Trump, if he does not get shot by democrats, may be the US's last chance. >>
    Last chance to degenerate into a totally third world country?

    Probably not. There are lots of US politicians who are psychotic enough
    to embrace that as an ambition.

    Trump hasn't yet had people he doesn't like murdered overseas with the
    US equivalent of novichok, but he seems sympathetic to Putin, who has.

    Brain defective ByeThen and Chameleon are played by the genocide committing YouAsh Youws
    Putin was just selling gas to Europe
    De-stabilizing the EU (and other regions of the world) just to make the Euro weaker
    has not worked.
    YouAsh influence is becoming less, its products suck (F35 is a disaster) so are Boeing planes..
    cars...
    Now look at this speech I just found on rt.com
    blocked in this part of the world on order of the YouAsh

    From
    https://www.rt.com/russia/608008-putin-ukraine-full-speech/

    Russian President Vladimir Putin delivered a televised address from the Kremlin on Thursday evening
    Putin outlines Moscow’s response to Ukraine escalation (FULL SPEECH)

    <snipped most of the nonsense>

    I would like to emphasise once again that it was not Russia, but the United States that destroyed the international security system and, by continuing to fight, cling to its hegemony, they are pushing the whole world into a global conflict.

    It was Russia that invaded the Ukraine in 2022, and annexed the Crimean Peninsula in 2014. This was a more flamboyant assault on the
    international security system than anything that America may have done.

    We have always preferred and are ready now to resolve all disputes by peaceful means.

    You surrender, and you will get peace. Of a sort.

    But we are also ready for any turn of events.
    If anyone still doubts this, make no mistake: there will always be a response.

    Of course there will. Putin has killed off a generation of Russian cannon-fodder, but he's only just started on North Korea's.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to bill.sloman@ieee.org on Fri Nov 22 10:30:05 2024
    XPost: us.politics

    On a sunny day (Fri, 22 Nov 2024 18:20:16 +1100) it happened Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vhpbbr$130tr$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 22/11/2024 5:36 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Fri, 22 Nov 2024 15:12:03 +1100) it happened Bill Sloman
    <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vhp0at$11gf7$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 22/11/2024 2:17 am, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Fri, 22 Nov 2024 00:51:13 +1100) it happened Bill Sloman >>>> <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vhndst$lnst$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 21/11/2024 8:47 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Thu, 21 Nov 2024 17:45:17 +1100) it happened Bill Sloman >>>>>> <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vhmku6$hfh9$4@dont-email.me>:

    On 21/11/2024 2:27 pm, john larkin wrote:
    On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 16:55:12 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 18:13:19 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:

    <snip>

    Russia versus YouCrane
    It makes no sense other then weapon sales, weakening Europe, same as that other democrat Clinton did.

    Russia seems to think it makes sense. It's been working on nibbling off >>>>> bits of the Ukraine for years - starting with the Crimean peninsula in >>>>> 2014. Zelensky wasn't in power back then. He didn't get elected until 2019.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation

    This didn't generate much in the way of weapons sales. The Russian
    invasion of the Ukraine in 2022 did generate quite a lot of weapons
    sales, but that was a purely Russian initiative.

    Nope, After ByeThen met Putin and asked him what would be un-acceptable to him
    ByeThen did exactly that and that way triggered that war, 'lensky is just a CIA agent
    like many others all over the world making unrest so YouAsh can sell more weapons.
    With Trump as the new King of States maybe he gets that deep state working for the common people
    not having to pay taxes for a few ruthless weapon manufacturers and their sales men killing
    millions all over the world and in their own country, even kids in schools shooting each other with automatic weapons.
    Better fix the infrastructure, again thousands without power, now in the west.




    If you have a problem getting loose a big nut, use BIG pliers!
    The nut in this case is Zelensky and sending toy drones is like destroying one precious tweezers after the other to get
    it
    lose.

    Zelensky didn't start the war, and his crime - in your eyes - lies in >>>>> his not having surrendered to the Russians in 2022 as they clearly
    expected him to.

    Get the biggest pliers you have and that is nukes for Russia, nuke Kiev and be done with it
    Bad? And what did the US do in WW2 with the Japanese civilians?

    The Japanese did start that war - by the surprise attack on the American >>>>> fleet at Pearl Harbour. It four years of very skilled and expensive work >>>>> to get the Americans big enough pliers to discourage in the nuts in Tokyo.

    Dropping hydrogen bombs on Kyiv might win the war against the Ukraine >>>>> for the Russians, but the international reaction would probably drop a >>>>> lot of hydrogen bombs on Moscow and every place where Russia has stocks >>>>> of nuclear weapons. If Putin got that ambitious there's no telling where >>>>> he would go next, and premptive destruction would probably minimise
    Western casualties in the long term - they'd probably still be huge, >>>>> but a premptive strike would probably destroy enough Russian nuclear >>>>> weapons to save some lives in the long run.

    China, Russia, N Korea, Pakistan, India, many more have nukes, and would not just standby and look.

    Do pay attention - I was talking about the international reaction to
    Russia having had a psychotic breakdown in it's leadership.

    Any country deciding to purge them of the psychotic leaders and as many
    of the nuclear weapons that any survivor might launch could rely on
    support from non-psychotic leaders

    Blowing up the gas pipes from Russia to Europe is equivalent to starting a war.

    It didn't start any war. The Russians had already invaded Ukraine when
    it happened.

    Nuking the US into oblivion is a given if it does not change ways.

    Russia and China are both behaving badly too - Russia has physically
    invaded Ukraine, which worse than anything the US has done.

    Trump, if he does not get shot by democrats, may be the US's last chance. >>>
    Last chance to degenerate into a totally third world country?

    Probably not. There are lots of US politicians who are psychotic enough
    to embrace that as an ambition.

    Trump hasn't yet had people he doesn't like murdered overseas with the
    US equivalent of novichok, but he seems sympathetic to Putin, who has.

    Brain defective ByeThen and Chameleon are played by the genocide committing YouAsh Youws
    Putin was just selling gas to Europe
    De-stabilizing the EU (and other regions of the world) just to make the Euro weaker
    has not worked.
    YouAsh influence is becoming less, its products suck (F35 is a disaster) so are Boeing planes..
    cars...
    Now look at this speech I just found on rt.com
    blocked in this part of the world on order of the YouAsh

    From
    https://www.rt.com/russia/608008-putin-ukraine-full-speech/

    Russian President Vladimir Putin delivered a televised address from the Kremlin on Thursday evening
    Putin outlines Moscow’s response to Ukraine escalation (FULL SPEECH)

    <snipped most of the nonsense>

    I would like to emphasise once again that it was not Russia, but the United States that destroyed the international security
    system and, by continuing to fight, cling to its hegemony, they are pushing the whole world into a global conflict.

    It was Russia that invaded the Ukraine in 2022, and annexed the Crimean >Peninsula in 2014. This was a more flamboyant assault on the
    international security system than anything that America may have done.

    We have always preferred and are ready now to resolve all disputes by peaceful means.

    You surrender, and you will get peace. Of a sort.

    But we are also ready for any turn of events.
    If anyone still doubts this, make no mistake: there will always be a response.

    Of course there will. Putin has killed off a generation of Russian >cannon-fodder, but he's only just started on North Korea's.

    YouAsh
    Japan: nukes
    Vietnam: Agent Orange
    Iraq: depleted Uranium ammo
    the list is longer
    It was Russia that did most of the work to free Europe from HItler
    It is US that is busy destebilizing EU.
    In my opinion US is the big enemy of the EU.
    and enemy of China, many other places!!!!

    And YouAsh tech is ages behind now in many fields.
    As is the standard of living there.
    Some posters here making stuff for YouAsh army just for profit, no ethics result: lots of crap.

    Fourth world country YouAsh has become.
    It is the same as wih all big empires, they came and went.
    Aztec piramids, statute of gibberish.. as a marker in history is all that remains or will remain
    And I fail to see how so called Christians help is-a-hell, a club that killed Cheeseus, to commit genocide on Palestinians
    They seem much worse than Hitler.
    I was thinking : I things get worse I may have to sail down under .. to stay clear from radiation..
    So.. that would upset some ;-)
    Whatevcer happened to that other guy from where was it, Sydney? that used to post here?
    Or was he younger than 16 and no longer can go online?
    And you?
    There is more freedom in Russia than where you are.







    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney



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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Sat Nov 23 15:24:01 2024
    XPost: us.politics

    On 22/11/2024 9:30 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Fri, 22 Nov 2024 18:20:16 +1100) it happened Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vhpbbr$130tr$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 22/11/2024 5:36 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Fri, 22 Nov 2024 15:12:03 +1100) it happened Bill Sloman >>> <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vhp0at$11gf7$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 22/11/2024 2:17 am, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Fri, 22 Nov 2024 00:51:13 +1100) it happened Bill Sloman >>>>> <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vhndst$lnst$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 21/11/2024 8:47 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Thu, 21 Nov 2024 17:45:17 +1100) it happened Bill Sloman
    <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vhmku6$hfh9$4@dont-email.me>:

    On 21/11/2024 2:27 pm, john larkin wrote:
    On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 16:55:12 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 18:13:19 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    <snipped most of your lunatic nonsense>

    I was thinking : I things get worse I may have to sail down under .. to stay clear from radiation..
    So.. that would upset some ;-)

    You need a visa to emmigrate to Australia. People who sail in without
    having bothered to get the visa get deported to off-shore detention.

    Whatevcer happened to that other guy from where was it, Sydney? that used to post here?
    Or was he younger than 16 and no longer can go online?
    And you?

    I'm 81 and Phil Allison, my neighbour from Summer Hill in Sydney wasn't
    all that much younger. He may have caught Covid-19 and died. Not all
    that many Australian's did, but our age group is more likely to die if
    we get it, even after being vaccinated (which most of us have been, some
    more recently than others).

    There is more freedom in Russia than where you are.

    Putin does seem to be free to expose people he doesn't like to the
    Russian chemical warfare agent novichok. That does seem to be the kind
    of freedom you seem to approve of.

    Most of us prefer to live in places where the political leadership is
    more constrained.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to bill.sloman@ieee.org on Sat Nov 23 06:43:15 2024
    XPost: us.politics

    On a sunny day (Sat, 23 Nov 2024 15:24:01 +1100) it happened Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vhrldd$1io30$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 22/11/2024 9:30 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Fri, 22 Nov 2024 18:20:16 +1100) it happened Bill Sloman
    <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vhpbbr$130tr$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 22/11/2024 5:36 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Fri, 22 Nov 2024 15:12:03 +1100) it happened Bill Sloman >>>> <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vhp0at$11gf7$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 22/11/2024 2:17 am, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Fri, 22 Nov 2024 00:51:13 +1100) it happened Bill Sloman >>>>>> <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vhndst$lnst$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 21/11/2024 8:47 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Thu, 21 Nov 2024 17:45:17 +1100) it happened Bill Sloman
    <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vhmku6$hfh9$4@dont-email.me>: >>>>>>>>
    On 21/11/2024 2:27 pm, john larkin wrote:
    On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 16:55:12 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 18:13:19 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    <snipped most of your lunatic nonsense>

    I was thinking : I things get worse I may have to sail down under .. to stay clear from radiation..
    So.. that would upset some ;-)

    You need a visa to emmigrate to Australia. People who sail in without
    having bothered to get the visa get deported to off-shore detention.

    Took less then an hour to fill in a form in The Hague last time to get a visitor visa.
    Then dig some gold and IIRC above a specific amount wealth you can get a resident visa
    But I found a simpler way
    I had a lot of medals as a kid for some sports
    I tried some sort of fast walking jumping recently
    Now down-under upside the jumps take less effort of course, more like falling (simple fishicks),
    that is why all the kan-gurus can only live down there
    That is due to graffity being inverted
    So I will get a kanguru suit and freely jump about when I arrive, no one will notice.
    Good life , freedum unlike the poor native 'stralians who were abused and locked up.


    Whatevcer happened to that other guy from where was it, Sydney? that used to post here?
    Or was he younger than 16 and no longer can go online?
    And you?

    I'm 81 and Phil Allison, my neighbour from Summer Hill in Sydney wasn't
    all that much younger. He may have caught Covid-19 and died. Not all
    that many Australian's did, but our age group is more likely to die if
    we get it, even after being vaccinated (which most of us have been, some
    more recently than others).

    Ah, well I hope he is OK,.. in case he died ..
    when I got to heaven I was refused entry because I did not get the required 4 COVID shots..
    So I went down below, but the boss there did not want any competition.
    So stuck here I am for now.


    There is more freedom in Russia than where you are.

    Putin does seem to be free to expose people he doesn't like to the
    Russian chemical warfare agent novichok. That does seem to be the kind
    of freedom you seem to approve of.

    Most of us prefer to live in places where the political leadership is
    more constrained.

    Concentration camps you had for the poor native 'stralians if I read it right?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_Australians
    No wonder that they screamed 'You are not my king' when the UK king visited. Bit like the YouAsh treated treats! the native Americans.
    Was reading about Irish catholic church treating children from un-married couples...
    seems a movie was recently made of that.
    What a world.

    Anymal empire..

    No wonder Aliens do not visit here, the Inter-galactic Travel Agency has warned not to visit earth, infested with humns, those are considered dangerous.

    Anyways,..
    https://panteltje.nl/pub/this_is_watching_over_me_IXIMG_0746.JPG



    Bill Sloman, Sydney




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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Sun Nov 24 00:17:03 2024
    XPost: us.politics

    On 23/11/2024 5:43 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Sat, 23 Nov 2024 15:24:01 +1100) it happened Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vhrldd$1io30$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 22/11/2024 9:30 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Fri, 22 Nov 2024 18:20:16 +1100) it happened Bill Sloman >>> <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vhpbbr$130tr$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 22/11/2024 5:36 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Fri, 22 Nov 2024 15:12:03 +1100) it happened Bill Sloman >>>>> <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vhp0at$11gf7$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 22/11/2024 2:17 am, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Fri, 22 Nov 2024 00:51:13 +1100) it happened Bill Sloman
    <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vhndst$lnst$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 21/11/2024 8:47 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Thu, 21 Nov 2024 17:45:17 +1100) it happened Bill Sloman
    <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vhmku6$hfh9$4@dont-email.me>: >>>>>>>>>
    On 21/11/2024 2:27 pm, john larkin wrote:
    On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 16:55:12 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 18:13:19 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    <snipped most of your lunatic nonsense>

    I was thinking : I things get worse I may have to sail down under .. to stay clear from radiation..
    So.. that would upset some ;-)

    You need a visa to emmigrate to Australia. People who sail in without
    having bothered to get the visa get deported to off-shore detention.

    Took less then an hour to fill in a form in The Hague last time to get a visitor visa.

    You'd need a residents visa if you wanted to avoid radiation. There are
    lots of different isotopes in the radioactive residue of a nuclear
    reaction, but the longer lived ones are still dangerous after a few
    hundred thousand years.

    Then dig some gold and IIRC above a specific amount wealth you can get a resident visa.

    That used to be true. We elected a Labor (Partie van de Arbeit)
    government a few years ago, and some of the stuff that used to be for
    sale if you had enough money isn't any more.

    But I found a simpler way
    I had a lot of medals as a kid for some sports
    I tried some sort of fast walking jumping recently
    Now down-under upside the jumps take less effort of course, more like falling (simple fishicks),

    A little too simple minded to be correct.

    that is why all the kan-gurus can only live down there
    That is due to graffity being inverted,

    Kangaroos do fine in zoos in the northern hemisphere.

    So I will get a kangaroo suit and freely jump about when I arrive, no one will notice.

    You'd have to go way outback before a dim Dutchman hopping about in a
    kangaroo suit wouldn't attract attention. Kangaroos do avoid urban areas.

    Good life , freedom unlike the poor native 'stralians who were abused and locked up.

    They still got locked up about ten time as often the European descended population, and do worse in all sorts of areas. The current
    administration is trying to solve the persistent problems left over from
    the period of invasion and colonisation. My youngest brother is a doctor
    who has specialised in their particular health problems, but they aren't
    easy to solve.

    Whatevcer happened to that other guy from where was it, Sydney? that used to post here?
    Or was he younger than 16 and no longer can go online?
    And you?

    I'm 81 and Phil Allison, my neighbour from Summer Hill in Sydney wasn't
    all that much younger. He may have caught Covid-19 and died. Not all
    that many Australian's did, but our age group is more likely to die if
    we get it, even after being vaccinated (which most of us have been, some
    more recently than others).

    Ah, well I hope he is OK,.. in case he died ..
    when I got to heaven I was refused entry because I did not get the required 4 COVID shots..
    So I went down below, but the boss there did not want any competition.
    So stuck here I am for now.

    Really?

    There is more freedom in Russia than where you are.

    Putin does seem to be free to expose people he doesn't like to the
    Russian chemical warfare agent novichok. That does seem to be the kind
    of freedom you seem to approve of.

    Most of us prefer to live in places where the political leadership is
    more constrained.

    Concentration camps you had for the poor native 'stralians if I read it right?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_Australians

    Concentration camps were originally invented for the Dutch immigrants to
    South Africa during the Boer War - 1899 to 1902.

    Native Australians were never fenced off like that. Their kids got sent
    off to boarding schools, and those schools were fenced off so that the
    kids had to stay put and get taught, and they were pretty unpleasant,
    but the boarding school I got sent to when I was 14 didn't appeal to me
    much at the time, and still strikes me as a pretty poor school - I did
    pass the exams that let me go to university, but my teachers weren't all
    that impressive.

    No wonder that they screamed 'You are not my king' when the UK king visited.

    That was Senator Linda Thorpe

    https://www.aph.gov.au/Senators_and_Members/Parliamentarian?MPID=280304

    She works hard to get attention, and isn't all that choosy about how she
    gets it.

    Bit like the YouAsh treated treats! the native Americans.

    It has a lot in common.

    Was reading about Irish catholic church treating children from un-married couples...
    seems a movie was recently made of that.
    What a world.

    Cardinal Pell wasn't the only Australian roman catholic prelate to abuse
    young children, and the Australian Roman catholic church isn't unique in tolerating abusive clergy.

    Anymal empire..

    No wonder Aliens do not visit here, the Inter-galactic Travel Agency has warned
    not to visit earth, infested with humns, those are considered dangerous.

    <snip>

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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