John Larkin has from time to time posted some elementary questions he
likes to torture his job applicants with. I'd like to propose one of my
own.
If I'm measuring 218 ohms between points A and B in this diagram, what is
the value of Rx?
https://disk.yandex.com/i/hxjWx0tDUCzxiA
On 10/20/24 19:18, Cursitor Doom wrote:
John Larkin has from time to time posted some elementary questions he
likes to torture his job applicants with. I'd like to propose one of my
own.
If I'm measuring 218 ohms between points A and B in this diagram, what is
the value of Rx?
https://disk.yandex.com/i/hxjWx0tDUCzxiA
517 Ohms.
Jeroen Belleman
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 19:32:45 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 10/20/24 19:18, Cursitor Doom wrote:
John Larkin has from time to time posted some elementary questions he
likes to torture his job applicants with. I'd like to propose one of my
own.
If I'm measuring 218 ohms between points A and B in this diagram, what is >>> the value of Rx?
https://disk.yandex.com/i/hxjWx0tDUCzxiA
517 Ohms.
Jeroen Belleman
Does R330 mean 0.33 ohms?
I hate that sort of notation, like 2k47.
John Larkin has from time to time posted some elementary questions he
likes to torture his job applicants with. I'd like to propose one of my
own.
If I'm measuring 218 ohms between points A and B in this diagram, what is
the value of Rx?
https://disk.yandex.com/i/hxjWx0tDUCzxiA
"john larkin" <JL@gct.com> wrote in message news:2rjahj1m5itht9k5nlh5p9q11onumbbb5s@4ax.com...
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 19:32:45 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 10/20/24 19:18, Cursitor Doom wrote:
John Larkin has from time to time posted some elementary questions he
likes to torture his job applicants with. I'd like to propose one of my >>>> own.
If I'm measuring 218 ohms between points A and B in this diagram, what is >>>> the value of Rx?
https://disk.yandex.com/i/hxjWx0tDUCzxiA
517 Ohms.
Jeroen Belleman
Does R330 mean 0.33 ohms?
I hate that sort of notation, like 2k47.
I keep having difficulty not using it in LTSpice.
0.33 ohms would be 0R33
John Larkin has from time to time posted some elementary questions he
likes to torture his job applicants with. I'd like to propose one of my
own.
If I'm measuring 218 ohms between points A and B in this diagram, what is
the value of Rx?
https://disk.yandex.com/i/hxjWx0tDUCzxiA
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 14:59:18 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
"john larkin" <JL@gct.com> wrote in message >>news:2rjahj1m5itht9k5nlh5p9q11onumbbb5s@4ax.com...Unless you believe in physics/SI notation.
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 19:32:45 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 10/20/24 19:18, Cursitor Doom wrote:
John Larkin has from time to time posted some elementary questions
he likes to torture his job applicants with. I'd like to propose one >>>>> of my own.
If I'm measuring 218 ohms between points A and B in this diagram,
what is the value of Rx?
https://disk.yandex.com/i/hxjWx0tDUCzxiA
517 Ohms.
Jeroen Belleman
Does R330 mean 0.33 ohms?
I hate that sort of notation, like 2k47.
I keep having difficulty not using it in LTSpice.
0.33 ohms would be 0R33
So is R330 the reference designator?
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 12:12:22 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 14:59:18 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
"john larkin" <JL@gct.com> wrote in messageUnless you believe in physics/SI notation.
news:2rjahj1m5itht9k5nlh5p9q11onumbbb5s@4ax.com...
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 19:32:45 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 10/20/24 19:18, Cursitor Doom wrote:
John Larkin has from time to time posted some elementary questions >>>>>> he likes to torture his job applicants with. I'd like to propose one >>>>>> of my own.
If I'm measuring 218 ohms between points A and B in this diagram,
what is the value of Rx?
https://disk.yandex.com/i/hxjWx0tDUCzxiA
517 Ohms.
Jeroen Belleman
Does R330 mean 0.33 ohms?
I hate that sort of notation, like 2k47.
I keep having difficulty not using it in LTSpice.
0.33 ohms would be 0R33
So is R330 the reference designator?
Sorry, foreign notation. It's 330 ohms and 47 ohms.
"john larkin" <JL@gct.com> wrote in message news:2rjahj1m5itht9k5nlh5p9q11onumbbb5s@4ax.com...
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 19:32:45 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 10/20/24 19:18, Cursitor Doom wrote:
John Larkin has from time to time posted some elementary questions he
likes to torture his job applicants with. I'd like to propose one of my >>>> own.
If I'm measuring 218 ohms between points A and B in this diagram, what is >>>> the value of Rx?
https://disk.yandex.com/i/hxjWx0tDUCzxiA
517 Ohms.
Jeroen Belleman
Does R330 mean 0.33 ohms?
I hate that sort of notation, like 2k47.
I keep having difficulty not using it in LTSpice.
0.33 ohms would be 0R33
On 20-10-2024 10:48 pm, Cursitor Doom wrote:
John Larkin has from time to time posted some elementary questions he
likes to torture his job applicants with. I'd like to propose one of my
own.
If I'm measuring 218 ohms between points A and B in this diagram, what is
the value of Rx?
https://disk.yandex.com/i/hxjWx0tDUCzxiA
R followed by a number is often used to designate values below 1. So,
many interviewees will interpret the schematic as 0.8? in parallel with
Rx. No way you can get 218 ? between points A and B - unless you accept
a negative resistance, in which case Rx is about -0.80295 ?. :-)
Jest havin' fun. Or is that really what you want to mess their heads with?
On 21-10-2024 12:46 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 12:12:22 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 14:59:18 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
"john larkin" <JL@gct.com> wrote in messageUnless you believe in physics/SI notation.
news:2rjahj1m5itht9k5nlh5p9q11onumbbb5s@4ax.com...
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 19:32:45 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 10/20/24 19:18, Cursitor Doom wrote:
John Larkin has from time to time posted some elementary questions >>>>>>> he likes to torture his job applicants with. I'd like to propose one >>>>>>> of my own.
If I'm measuring 218 ohms between points A and B in this diagram, >>>>>>> what is the value of Rx?
https://disk.yandex.com/i/hxjWx0tDUCzxiA
517 Ohms.
Jeroen Belleman
Does R330 mean 0.33 ohms?
I hate that sort of notation, like 2k47.
I keep having difficulty not using it in LTSpice.
0.33 ohms would be 0R33
So is R330 the reference designator?
Sorry, foreign notation. It's 330 ohms and 47 ohms.
Thought so.
Personally, I sometimes use the European style of placing decimal values >after the unit name, especially when space is limited as in a packed >schematic. 4k7 takes up slightly less space than 4.7k *and* there's no
chance of missing the decimal point. Likewise values like 6n8
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 01:18:29 +0530, Pimpom <Pimpom@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
On 21-10-2024 12:46 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 12:12:22 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 14:59:18 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
"john larkin" <JL@gct.com> wrote in messageUnless you believe in physics/SI notation.
news:2rjahj1m5itht9k5nlh5p9q11onumbbb5s@4ax.com...
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 19:32:45 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 10/20/24 19:18, Cursitor Doom wrote:
John Larkin has from time to time posted some elementary questions >>>>>>>> he likes to torture his job applicants with. I'd like to propose one >>>>>>>> of my own.
If I'm measuring 218 ohms between points A and B in this diagram, >>>>>>>> what is the value of Rx?
https://disk.yandex.com/i/hxjWx0tDUCzxiA
517 Ohms.
Jeroen Belleman
Does R330 mean 0.33 ohms?
I hate that sort of notation, like 2k47.
I keep having difficulty not using it in LTSpice.
0.33 ohms would be 0R33
So is R330 the reference designator?
Sorry, foreign notation. It's 330 ohms and 47 ohms.
Thought so.
Personally, I sometimes use the European style of placing decimal values >>after the unit name, especially when space is limited as in a packed >>schematic. 4k7 takes up slightly less space than 4.7k *and* there's no >>chance of missing the decimal point. Likewise values like 6n8
Maybe european decimal points slide off drawings and fall on the
floor. Robust American decimal points and schematic connect dots don't
do that.
How are things priced in a grocery store? Is the 'euros' symbol
straddled by numbers on both sides?
On 20/10/2024 7:59 pm, Edward Rawde wrote:
"john larkin" <JL@gct.com> wrote in message news:2rjahj1m5itht9k5nlh5p9q11onumbbb5s@4ax.com...
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 19:32:45 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 10/20/24 19:18, Cursitor Doom wrote:
John Larkin has from time to time posted some elementary questions he >>>>> likes to torture his job applicants with. I'd like to propose one of my >>>>> own.
If I'm measuring 218 ohms between points A and B in this diagram, what is >>>>> the value of Rx?
https://disk.yandex.com/i/hxjWx0tDUCzxiA
517 Ohms.
Jeroen Belleman
Does R330 mean 0.33 ohms?
I hate that sort of notation, like 2k47.
I keep having difficulty not using it in LTSpice.
0.33 ohms would be 0R33
LT Spice will happily accept 2k47 for 2470 ohms - you can even use 0meg33 if you want for 330k in the old Soviet way
piglet
"piglet" <erichpwagner@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:vf3ntu$i9cd$1@dont-email.me...
On 20/10/2024 7:59 pm, Edward Rawde wrote:
"john larkin" <JL@gct.com> wrote in message news:2rjahj1m5itht9k5nlh5p9q11onumbbb5s@4ax.com...
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 19:32:45 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 10/20/24 19:18, Cursitor Doom wrote:
John Larkin has from time to time posted some elementary questions he >>>>>> likes to torture his job applicants with. I'd like to propose one of my >>>>>> own.
If I'm measuring 218 ohms between points A and B in this diagram, what is
the value of Rx?
https://disk.yandex.com/i/hxjWx0tDUCzxiA
517 Ohms.
Jeroen Belleman
Does R330 mean 0.33 ohms?
I hate that sort of notation, like 2k47.
I keep having difficulty not using it in LTSpice.
0.33 ohms would be 0R33
LT Spice will happily accept 2k47 for 2470 ohms - you can even use 0meg33 if you want for 330k in the old Soviet way
The reason I try to avoid it outside locations where it's not questioned is because there's always someone who will ask what does
2k7 mean? :)
piglet
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 01:18:29 +0530, Pimpom <Pimpom@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
On 21-10-2024 12:46 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 12:12:22 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 14:59:18 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
"john larkin" <JL@gct.com> wrote in messageUnless you believe in physics/SI notation.
news:2rjahj1m5itht9k5nlh5p9q11onumbbb5s@4ax.com...
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 19:32:45 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 10/20/24 19:18, Cursitor Doom wrote:
John Larkin has from time to time posted some elementary questions >>>>>>>> he likes to torture his job applicants with. I'd like to propose one >>>>>>>> of my own.
If I'm measuring 218 ohms between points A and B in this diagram, >>>>>>>> what is the value of Rx?
https://disk.yandex.com/i/hxjWx0tDUCzxiA
517 Ohms.
Jeroen Belleman
Does R330 mean 0.33 ohms?
I hate that sort of notation, like 2k47.
I keep having difficulty not using it in LTSpice.
0.33 ohms would be 0R33
So is R330 the reference designator?
Sorry, foreign notation. It's 330 ohms and 47 ohms.
Thought so.
Personally, I sometimes use the European style of placing decimal values
after the unit name, especially when space is limited as in a packed
schematic. 4k7 takes up slightly less space than 4.7k *and* there's no
chance of missing the decimal point. Likewise values like 6n8
Maybe european decimal points slide off drawings and fall on the
floor. Robust American decimal points and schematic connect dots don't
do that.
How are things priced in a grocery store? Is the 'euros' symbol
straddled by numbers on both sides?
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 00:39:32 +0530, Pimpom <Pimpom@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
On 20-10-2024 10:48 pm, Cursitor Doom wrote:
John Larkin has from time to time posted some elementary questions he
likes to torture his job applicants with. I'd like to propose one of my
own.
If I'm measuring 218 ohms between points A and B in this diagram, what is >>> the value of Rx?
https://disk.yandex.com/i/hxjWx0tDUCzxiA
R followed by a number is often used to designate values below 1. So,
many interviewees will interpret the schematic as 0.8? in parallel with
Rx. No way you can get 218 ? between points A and B - unless you accept
a negative resistance, in which case Rx is about -0.80295 ?. :-)
Jest havin' fun. Or is that really what you want to mess their heads with?
The first thing a good intervuee should ask is "what the hell does
R330 mean?"
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 19:34:29 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
"piglet" <erichpwagner@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:vf3ntu$i9cd$1@dont-email.me...
On 20/10/2024 7:59 pm, Edward Rawde wrote:
"john larkin" <JL@gct.com> wrote in message news:2rjahj1m5itht9k5nlh5p9q11onumbbb5s@4ax.com...
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 19:32:45 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 10/20/24 19:18, Cursitor Doom wrote:
John Larkin has from time to time posted some elementary questions he >>>>>>> likes to torture his job applicants with. I'd like to propose one of my >>>>>>> own.
If I'm measuring 218 ohms between points A and B in this diagram, what is
the value of Rx?
https://disk.yandex.com/i/hxjWx0tDUCzxiA
517 Ohms.
Jeroen Belleman
Does R330 mean 0.33 ohms?
I hate that sort of notation, like 2k47.
I keep having difficulty not using it in LTSpice.
0.33 ohms would be 0R33
LT Spice will happily accept 2k47 for 2470 ohms - you can even use 0meg33 if you want for 330k in the old Soviet way
The reason I try to avoid it outside locations where it's not questioned is because there's always someone who will ask what does
2k7 mean? :)
piglet
The other legacy of unreliable dots (I suppose they used to fall off
drawings 50 years ago) is people who refuse to make a clean 4-way
connection with one dot.
They insist on using two 3-ways, two dots with a clumsy offset.
John Larkin has from time to time posted some elementary questions he
likes to torture his job applicants with. I'd like to propose one of my
own.
If I'm measuring 218 ohms between points A and B in this diagram, what is
the value of Rx?
https://disk.yandex.com/i/hxjWx0tDUCzxiA
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 01:18:29 +0530, Pimpom <Pimpom@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
On 21-10-2024 12:46 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 12:12:22 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 14:59:18 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
"john larkin" <JL@gct.com> wrote in messageUnless you believe in physics/SI notation.
news:2rjahj1m5itht9k5nlh5p9q11onumbbb5s@4ax.com...
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 19:32:45 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 10/20/24 19:18, Cursitor Doom wrote:
John Larkin has from time to time posted some elementary questions >>>>>>>> he likes to torture his job applicants with. I'd like to propose one >>>>>>>> of my own.
If I'm measuring 218 ohms between points A and B in this diagram, >>>>>>>> what is the value of Rx?
https://disk.yandex.com/i/hxjWx0tDUCzxiA
517 Ohms.
Jeroen Belleman
Does R330 mean 0.33 ohms?
I hate that sort of notation, like 2k47.
I keep having difficulty not using it in LTSpice.
0.33 ohms would be 0R33
So is R330 the reference designator?
Sorry, foreign notation. It's 330 ohms and 47 ohms.
Thought so.
Personally, I sometimes use the European style of placing decimal values >>after the unit name, especially when space is limited as in a packed >>schematic. 4k7 takes up slightly less space than 4.7k *and* there's no >>chance of missing the decimal point. Likewise values like 6n8
Maybe european decimal points slide off drawings and fall on the
floor. Robust American decimal points and schematic connect dots don't
do that.
How are things priced in a grocery store? Is the 'euros' symbol
straddled by numbers on both sides?
Does R330 mean 0.33 ohms?
I hate that sort of notation, like 2k47.
And the old zig-zag symbols the US uses for resistors.....
--\/\/\/\/\--------
better
---====-----
2k2
"john larkin" <JL@gct.com> wrote in messagenews:risahjpn2kfue87dqm6t2461a966ncv9in@4ax.com...
Maybe european decimal points slide off drawings and fall on the
floor. Robust American decimal points and schematic connect dots don't
do that.
I wasn't aware that there was a difference between European and american decimal points.
On 21-10-2024 11:40 am, Jan Panteltje wrote:
I agree about the resistor symbol, although I've gotten into the habit
And the old zig-zag symbols the US uses for resistors.....
--\/\/\/\/\--------
better
---====-----
2k2
of using the Euro-style rectangle.
I've created some dozens of component symbols for my CAD program. Here
are those for resistors:
https://imgur.com/1SH0jEA
For PCB layout, I've been using my own footprints exclusively for a long >time. Here are a few samples out of literally hundreds: >https://imgur.com/PbwB9n4
On 21-10-2024 11:40 am, Jan Panteltje wrote:
And the old zig-zag symbols the US uses for resistors.....
--\/\/\/\/\--------
better
---====-----
2k2
I agree about the resistor symbol, although I've gotten into the habit
of using the Euro-style rectangle.
I've created some dozens of component symbols for my CAD program.
Pimpom <Pimpom@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 21-10-2024 11:40 am, Jan Panteltje wrote:
I agree about the resistor symbol, although I've gotten into the habit
And the old zig-zag symbols the US uses for resistors.....
--\/\/\/\/\--------
better
---====-----
2k2
of using the Euro-style rectangle.
I've created some dozens of component symbols for my CAD program.
I've created my own library for Claris Works, which I use for all my
circuit diagrams. I prefer wiggly resistors and no four-way junctions,
but I take a mix & match approach to the various standards.
My resistors are the old British standard.
My electrolytic capacitors are the pre-war German standerd (with my own >home-made symbol for non-polar types). The two-rectangles British
Standard is counter-intuitive nonsense and a nightmare to draw and
shade in.
Resistor marking is 4k7 but, below 1k, I put in the omega symbol to
avoid confusion.
Capacitor marking is similar: 2u2f, 1n5f etc.
Crossovers are indicated by a gapped line; four-way junctions are
*never* used (the ends of the lines can be staggered at 45-degrees if >necessary).
The one symbol I have never been sure about is a battery. Apparently
there were two different standards, one where the longer line
represented the positive and the other where it represented the
negative. I always indicate the polarity and the voltage alongside the >symbol.
e.g.
http://www.poppyrecords.co.uk/other/DualImpedanceAmplifier.gif
I've noever had anyone complain they can't understand a drawing like
that.
John Larkin has from time to time posted some elementary questions he
likes to torture his job applicants with. I'd like to propose one of
my own.
If I'm measuring 218 ohms between points A and B in this diagram,
what is the value of Rx?
https://disk.yandex.com/i/hxjWx0tDUCzxiA
And the old zig-zag symbols the US uses for resistors..... --\/\/\/\/\--------
better
---====-----
2k2
Jan Panteltje wrote:
And the old zig-zag symbols the US uses for resistors.....
--\/\/\/\/\--------
better
---====-----
2k2
What's the point of that?
Wasn't the zigzag used everywhere for 100 years?
A rectangle could be anything.
Edward Rawde <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
"john larkin" <JL@gct.com> wrote in message >news:risahjpn2kfue87dqm6t2461a966ncv9in@4ax.com...
[...] > >
Maybe european decimal points slide off drawings and fall on the
floor. Robust American decimal points and schematic connect dots don't
do that.
I wasn't aware that there was a difference between European and american
decimal points.
There is a difference between English-speking ones and French-speaking
ones: the French ones look like commas.
On 10/20/24 23:17, john larkin wrote:
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 01:18:29 +0530, Pimpom <Pimpom@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
On 21-10-2024 12:46 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 12:12:22 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 14:59:18 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
"john larkin" <JL@gct.com> wrote in messageUnless you believe in physics/SI notation.
news:2rjahj1m5itht9k5nlh5p9q11onumbbb5s@4ax.com...
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 19:32:45 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 10/20/24 19:18, Cursitor Doom wrote:
John Larkin has from time to time posted some elementary questions >>>>>>>>> he likes to torture his job applicants with. I'd like to propose one >>>>>>>>> of my own.
If I'm measuring 218 ohms between points A and B in this diagram, >>>>>>>>> what is the value of Rx?
https://disk.yandex.com/i/hxjWx0tDUCzxiA
517 Ohms.
Jeroen Belleman
Does R330 mean 0.33 ohms?
I hate that sort of notation, like 2k47.
I keep having difficulty not using it in LTSpice.
0.33 ohms would be 0R33
So is R330 the reference designator?
Sorry, foreign notation. It's 330 ohms and 47 ohms.
Thought so.
Personally, I sometimes use the European style of placing decimal values >>> after the unit name, especially when space is limited as in a packed
schematic. 4k7 takes up slightly less space than 4.7k *and* there's no
chance of missing the decimal point. Likewise values like 6n8
Maybe european decimal points slide off drawings and fall on the
floor. Robust American decimal points and schematic connect dots don't
do that.
How are things priced in a grocery store? Is the 'euros' symbol
straddled by numbers on both sides?
no but € is behind the number not in front of it like $ ;)
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 11:57:33 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
Edward Rawde <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
"john larkin" <JL@gct.com> wrote in message >news:risahjpn2kfue87dqm6t2461a966ncv9in@4ax.com...
[...] > >
Maybe european decimal points slide off drawings and fall on the
floor. Robust American decimal points and schematic connect dots don't >> > do that.
I wasn't aware that there was a difference between European and american >> decimal points.
There is a difference between English-speking ones and French-speaking >ones: the French ones look like commas.
Do French engineers use the same convention on their schematics?
I can't recall ever seeing a French schematic, actually.
On a sunny day (Mon, 21 Oct 2024 16:32:10 +0530) it happened Pimpom <Pimpom@invalid.invalid> wrote in <TwqRO.16993$Uk1.11775@fx15.ams1>:
For PCB layout, I've been using my own footprints exclusively for a long
time. Here are a few samples out of literally hundreds:
https://imgur.com/PbwB9n4
Nice, even a polarity indicator for the LED
I take it the extrusion corresponds to the long wire ;-)
On a sunny day (Mon, 21 Oct 2024 09:27:24 -0400) it happened "Tom Del Rosso" <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote in <vf5kss$v68q$2@dont-email.me>:
Jan Panteltje wrote:
And the old zig-zag symbols the US uses for resistors.....
--\/\/\/\/\--------
better
---====-----
2k2
What's the point of that?
Looks better in big diagrams? (debatable I know)
Easier to draw by hand?
Takes less space?
Wasn't the zigzag used everywhere for 100 years?
That is no argument, so were petrol powered cars..
A rectangle could be anything.
Except in a drawn circuit with an R1234 type identifier
or some value next to it like 9k1.
On 20/10/2024 19:46, john larkin wrote:
<snip>
Does R330 mean 0.33 ohms?
It's a mistake. 330R would be common though, especially if you don't have an upper case omega.
I hate that sort of notation, like 2k47.
I like it. I guess it's what you're used to.
--
Cheers
Clive
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 01:59:03 +0200, Lasse Langwadt <llc@fonz.dk>
wrote:
On 10/20/24 23:17, john larkin wrote:
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 01:18:29 +0530, Pimpom <Pimpom@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
On 21-10-2024 12:46 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 12:12:22 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 14:59:18 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
"john larkin" <JL@gct.com> wrote in messageUnless you believe in physics/SI notation.
news:2rjahj1m5itht9k5nlh5p9q11onumbbb5s@4ax.com...
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 19:32:45 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 10/20/24 19:18, Cursitor Doom wrote:
John Larkin has from time to time posted some elementary questions >>>>>>>>> he likes to torture his job applicants with. I'd like to propose one
of my own.
If I'm measuring 218 ohms between points A and B in this diagram, >>>>>>>>> what is the value of Rx?
https://disk.yandex.com/i/hxjWx0tDUCzxiA
517 Ohms.
Jeroen Belleman
Does R330 mean 0.33 ohms?
I hate that sort of notation, like 2k47.
I keep having difficulty not using it in LTSpice.
0.33 ohms would be 0R33
So is R330 the reference designator?
Sorry, foreign notation. It's 330 ohms and 47 ohms.
Thought so.
Personally, I sometimes use the European style of placing decimal values >>> after the unit name, especially when space is limited as in a packed
schematic. 4k7 takes up slightly less space than 4.7k *and* there's no >>> chance of missing the decimal point. Likewise values like 6n8
Maybe european decimal points slide off drawings and fall on the
floor. Robust American decimal points and schematic connect dots don't
do that.
How are things priced in a grocery store? Is the 'euros' symbol
straddled by numbers on both sides?
no but € is behind the number not in front of it like $ ;)
But if it's priced in cents, the cents symbol goes last.
We follow SI rules in engineering, but in everyday life the quirky old
stuff is sort of fun. We measure distances in blocks or football
fields and fluid volume in olympic-size swimming pools, or sometimes acre-feet.
4k7 is not an SI unit of measure.
We follow SI rules in engineering, but in everyday life the quirky old
stuff is sort of fun. We measure distances in blocks or football
fields and fluid volume in olympic-size swimming pools, or sometimes acre-feet.
But you then have to read the identifier before you know what the
component is. The whole point of a symbol is that it is symbolic, so
you can scan over a circuit and see the general outlay without having to
read what every component is.
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 11:57:33 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
Edward Rawde <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
"john larkin" <JL@gct.com> wrote in messagenews:risahjpn2kfue87dqm6t2461a966ncv9in@4ax.com...
[...] > >
Maybe european decimal points slide off drawings and fall on the
floor. Robust American decimal points and schematic connect dots don't >>>> do that.
I wasn't aware that there was a difference between European and american >>> decimal points.
There is a difference between English-speking ones and French-speaking
ones: the French ones look like commas.
Do French engineers use the same convention on their schematics?
I can't recall ever seeing a French schematic, actually.
On 21/10/2024 16:44, john larkin wrote:
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 11:57:33 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
Edward Rawde <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
"john larkin" <JL@gct.com> wrote in messagenews:risahjpn2kfue87dqm6t2461a966ncv9in@4ax.com...
[...] > >
Maybe european decimal points slide off drawings and fall on the
floor. Robust American decimal points and schematic connect dots don't >>>>> do that.
I wasn't aware that there was a difference between European and american >>>> decimal points.
There is a difference between English-speking ones and French-speaking
ones: the French ones look like commas.
Do French engineers use the same convention on their schematics?
I can't recall ever seeing a French schematic, actually.
Not a schematic, but many years (ok, decades) ago I was working in France and was surprised when a programmer interpreted a comma
in my code as a decimal point. It was Forth code, and the comma in fact represented a double (32 bit) number. Lots of confusion.
Kesker-say, nespar, un petit d'un petit s'étonne aux Halles and so on.
--
Cheers
Clive
john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 11:57:33 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
Edward Rawde <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
"john larkin" <JL@gct.com> wrote in messagenews:risahjpn2kfue87dqm6t2461a966ncv9in@4ax.com...
[...] > >
Maybe european decimal points slide off drawings and fall on the
floor. Robust American decimal points and schematic connect dots don't >> >> > do that.
I wasn't aware that there was a difference between European and american >> >> decimal points.
There is a difference between English-speking ones and French-speaking
ones: the French ones look like commas.
Do French engineers use the same convention on their schematics?
I don't know, but the comma is in everyday use as a decimal point.
I can't recall ever seeing a French schematic, actually.
I can - and it was dreadful ! It was of a laboratory R.F. signal
generator and they had put the earthing point in the centre with the
various sections of the circuit radiating like the spokes of a wheel
around it. The HT line ran around the outside.
I don't think they do it like that nowadays.
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 17:24:35 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 11:57:33 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
Edward Rawde <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
"john larkin" <JL@gct.com> wrote in messagenews:risahjpn2kfue87dqm6t2461a966ncv9in@4ax.com...
[...] > >
Maybe european decimal points slide off drawings and fall on the
floor. Robust American decimal points and schematic connect dots don't >>> >> > do that.
I wasn't aware that there was a difference between European and american >>> >> decimal points.
There is a difference between English-speking ones and French-speaking
ones: the French ones look like commas.
Do French engineers use the same convention on their schematics?
I don't know, but the comma is in everyday use as a decimal point.
I can't recall ever seeing a French schematic, actually.
I can - and it was dreadful ! It was of a laboratory R.F. signal
generator and they had put the earthing point in the centre with the >>various sections of the circuit radiating like the spokes of a wheel
around it. The HT line ran around the outside.
I don't think they do it like that nowadays.
There are people, even gigabuck organizations, who are obsessed with single-point grounding.
That gets crazy fast.
On 21-10-2024 09:21 pm, john larkin wrote:
You use your states as units too. I wonder how many Americans actually
We follow SI rules in engineering, but in everyday life the quirky old
stuff is sort of fun. We measure distances in blocks or football
fields and fluid volume in olympic-size swimming pools, or sometimes
acre-feet.
know how big "half the size of Oregon" is. :)
On 21-10-2024 09:21 pm, john larkin wrote:
You use your states as units too. I wonder how many Americans actually
We follow SI rules in engineering, but in everyday life the quirky old
stuff is sort of fun. We measure distances in blocks or football
fields and fluid volume in olympic-size swimming pools, or sometimes
acre-feet.
know how big "half the size of Oregon" is. :)
On 21/10/2024 16:44, john larkin wrote:
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 11:57:33 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
Edward Rawde <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
"john larkin" <JL@gct.com> wrote in messagenews:risahjpn2kfue87dqm6t2461a966ncv9in@4ax.com...
[...] > >
Maybe european decimal points slide off drawings and fall on the
floor. Robust American decimal points and schematic connect dots don't >>>>> do that.
I wasn't aware that there was a difference between European and american >>>> decimal points.
There is a difference between English-speking ones and French-speaking
ones: the French ones look like commas.
Do French engineers use the same convention on their schematics?
I can't recall ever seeing a French schematic, actually.
Not a schematic, but many years (ok, decades) ago I was working in
France and was surprised when a programmer interpreted a comma in my
code as a decimal point. It was Forth code, and the comma in fact >represented a double (32 bit) number. Lots of confusion. Kesker-say, >nespar, un petit d'un petit s'étonne aux Halles and so on.
"john larkin" <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote in message news:jgadhjl2uj77q3gdls2tfjrdu5qe8j9vgp@4ax.com...
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 17:24:35 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 11:57:33 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
Edward Rawde <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
"john larkin" <JL@gct.com> wrote in messagenews:risahjpn2kfue87dqm6t2461a966ncv9in@4ax.com...
[...] > >
Maybe european decimal points slide off drawings and fall on the
floor. Robust American decimal points and schematic connect dots don't
do that.
I wasn't aware that there was a difference between European and american
decimal points.
There is a difference between English-speking ones and French-speaking >>>> >ones: the French ones look like commas.
Do French engineers use the same convention on their schematics?
I don't know, but the comma is in everyday use as a decimal point.
I can't recall ever seeing a French schematic, actually.
I can - and it was dreadful ! It was of a laboratory R.F. signal >>>generator and they had put the earthing point in the centre with the >>>various sections of the circuit radiating like the spokes of a wheel >>>around it. The HT line ran around the outside.
I don't think they do it like that nowadays.
There are people, even gigabuck organizations, who are obsessed with
single-point grounding.
Decoupling capacitors such as 0.1uF everywhere can also be an obsession. >Remove them from many (not all) circuits with no change in performance.
Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 21 Oct 2024 09:27:24 -0400) it happened "Tom Del Rosso" >> <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote in
<vf5kss$v68q$2@dont-email.me>:
Jan Panteltje wrote:
And the old zig-zag symbols the US uses for resistors.....
--\/\/\/\/\--------
better
---====-----
2k2
What's the point of that?
Looks better in big diagrams? (debatable I know)
Easier to draw by hand?
Takes less space?
Wasn't the zigzag used everywhere for 100 years?
That is no argument, so were petrol powered cars..
A rectangle could be anything.
Except in a drawn circuit with an R1234 type identifier
or some value next to it like 9k1.
But you then have to read the identifier before you know what the
component is. The whole point of a symbol is that it is symbolic, so
you can scan over a circuit and see the general outlay without having to
read what every component is.
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 15:31:45 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
"john larkin" <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote in message news:jgadhjl2uj77q3gdls2tfjrdu5qe8j9vgp@4ax.com...
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 17:24:35 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 11:57:33 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid >>>>> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
Edward Rawde <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
"john larkin" <JL@gct.com> wrote in messagenews:risahjpn2kfue87dqm6t2461a966ncv9in@4ax.com...
[...] > >
Maybe european decimal points slide off drawings and fall on the >>>>> >> > floor. Robust American decimal points and schematic connect dots don't
do that.
I wasn't aware that there was a difference between European and american
decimal points.
There is a difference between English-speking ones and French-speaking >>>>> >ones: the French ones look like commas.
Do French engineers use the same convention on their schematics?
I don't know, but the comma is in everyday use as a decimal point.
I can't recall ever seeing a French schematic, actually.
I can - and it was dreadful ! It was of a laboratory R.F. signal >>>>generator and they had put the earthing point in the centre with the >>>>various sections of the circuit radiating like the spokes of a wheel >>>>around it. The HT line ran around the outside.
I don't think they do it like that nowadays.
There are people, even gigabuck organizations, who are obsessed with
single-point grounding.
Decoupling capacitors such as 0.1uF everywhere can also be an obsession. >>Remove them from many (not all) circuits with no change in performance.
I knew one guy that claimed that bypass caps weren't necessary on
multilayer boards. His stuff worked.
Most electronics is way over-bypassed. Every data sheet assumes that
their part is the center of the universe and deserves a string of >stepped-value bypass caps on every supply.
On a sunny day (Tue, 22 Oct 2024 10:48:01 -0700) it happened john larkin ><jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote in <b2pfhjl4hbd1013mp1bkamudjm948jl7qb@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 15:31:45 -0400, "Edward Rawde" >><invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
"john larkin" <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote in message news:jgadhjl2uj77q3gdls2tfjrdu5qe8j9vgp@4ax.com...
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 17:24:35 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 11:57:33 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid >>>>>> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
Edward Rawde <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
"john larkin" <JL@gct.com> wrote in messagenews:risahjpn2kfue87dqm6t2461a966ncv9in@4ax.com...
[...] > >
Maybe european decimal points slide off drawings and fall on the >>>>>> >> > floor. Robust American decimal points and schematic connect dots don't
do that.
I wasn't aware that there was a difference between European and american
decimal points.
There is a difference between English-speking ones and French-speaking >>>>>> >ones: the French ones look like commas.
Do French engineers use the same convention on their schematics?
I don't know, but the comma is in everyday use as a decimal point.
I can't recall ever seeing a French schematic, actually.
I can - and it was dreadful ! It was of a laboratory R.F. signal >>>>>generator and they had put the earthing point in the centre with the >>>>>various sections of the circuit radiating like the spokes of a wheel >>>>>around it. The HT line ran around the outside.
I don't think they do it like that nowadays.
There are people, even gigabuck organizations, who are obsessed with
single-point grounding.
Decoupling capacitors such as 0.1uF everywhere can also be an obsession. >>>Remove them from many (not all) circuits with no change in performance.
I knew one guy that claimed that bypass caps weren't necessary on >>multilayer boards. His stuff worked.
Most electronics is way over-bypassed. Every data sheet assumes that
their part is the center of the universe and deserves a string of >>stepped-value bypass caps on every supply.
I have also read about a case where they left out some bypass caps
and then those boards caused big troubles.
https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/630354/what-may-happen-if-i-leave-out-bypass-capacitors
Be very careful, it may work once (leaving them out),
but your products may fail..
I have also read about a case where they left out some bypass caps
and then those boards caused big troubles.
https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/630354/what-may-happen-if-i-leave-out-bypass-capacitors
Be very careful, it may work once (leaving them out),
but your products may fail..
john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 01:59:03 +0200, Lasse Langwadt <llc@fonz.dk> wrote:
On 10/20/24 23:17, john larkin wrote:But if it's priced in cents, the cents symbol goes last.
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 01:18:29 +0530, Pimpom <Pimpom@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
On 21-10-2024 12:46 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 12:12:22 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 14:59:18 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
"john larkin" <JL@gct.com> wrote in messageUnless you believe in physics/SI notation.
news:2rjahj1m5itht9k5nlh5p9q11onumbbb5s@4ax.com...
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 19:32:45 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 10/20/24 19:18, Cursitor Doom wrote:
John Larkin has from time to time posted some elementary
questions he likes to torture his job applicants with. I'd
like to propose one of my own.
If I'm measuring 218 ohms between points A and B in this
diagram, what is the value of Rx?
https://disk.yandex.com/i/hxjWx0tDUCzxiA
517 Ohms.
Jeroen Belleman
Does R330 mean 0.33 ohms?
I hate that sort of notation, like 2k47.
I keep having difficulty not using it in LTSpice.
0.33 ohms would be 0R33
So is R330 the reference designator?
Sorry, foreign notation. It's 330 ohms and 47 ohms.
Thought so.
Personally, I sometimes use the European style of placing decimal
values after the unit name, especially when space is limited as in
a packed schematic. 4k7 takes up slightly less space than 4.7k
*and* there's no chance of missing the decimal point. Likewise
values like 6n8
Maybe european decimal points slide off drawings and fall on the
floor. Robust American decimal points and schematic connect dots
don't do that.
How are things priced in a grocery store? Is the 'euros' symbol
straddled by numbers on both sides?
no but € is behind the number not in front of it like $ ;)
We follow SI rules in engineering, but in everyday life the quirky old
stuff is sort of fun. We measure distances in blocks or football fields
and fluid volume in olympic-size swimming pools, or sometimes
acre-feet.
4k7 is not an SI unit of measure.
...or even measurement?
I once heard the BBC's ' Environment Analyst' describe air pressure in Degrees Centigrade.
Jan Panteltje wrote:
And the old zig-zag symbols the US uses for resistors.....
--\/\/\/\/\--------
better ---====-----
2k2
What's the point of that?
Wasn't the zigzag used everywhere for 100 years?
A rectangle could be anything.
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 19:34:29 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
"piglet" <erichpwagner@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>news:vf3ntu$i9cd$1@dont-email.me...The other legacy of unreliable dots (I suppose they used to fall off
On 20/10/2024 7:59 pm, Edward Rawde wrote:
"john larkin" <JL@gct.com> wrote in messageLT Spice will happily accept 2k47 for 2470 ohms - you can even use
news:2rjahj1m5itht9k5nlh5p9q11onumbbb5s@4ax.com...
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 19:32:45 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 10/20/24 19:18, Cursitor Doom wrote:
John Larkin has from time to time posted some elementary questions >>>>>>> he likes to torture his job applicants with. I'd like to propose >>>>>>> one of my own.
If I'm measuring 218 ohms between points A and B in this diagram, >>>>>>> what is the value of Rx?
https://disk.yandex.com/i/hxjWx0tDUCzxiA
517 Ohms.
Jeroen Belleman
Does R330 mean 0.33 ohms?
I hate that sort of notation, like 2k47.
I keep having difficulty not using it in LTSpice.
0.33 ohms would be 0R33
0meg33 if you want for 330k in the old Soviet way
The reason I try to avoid it outside locations where it's not questioned
is because there's always someone who will ask what does 2k7 mean? :)
piglet
drawings 50 years ago) is people who refuse to make a clean 4-way
connection with one dot. They insist on using two 3-ways, two dots with
a clumsy offset.
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 09:27:24 -0400, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
Jan Panteltje wrote:
And the old zig-zag symbols the US uses for resistors.....
--\/\/\/\/\--------
better ---====-----
2k2
What's the point of that?
Wasn't the zigzag used everywhere for 100 years?
A rectangle could be anything.
I fully agree, Tom. If I saw that thing I'd immediately assume it
represented a cocktail sausage.
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 17:55:10 +0100, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 01:59:03 +0200, Lasse Langwadt <llc@fonz.dk> wrote:
On 10/20/24 23:17, john larkin wrote:
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 01:18:29 +0530, Pimpom <Pimpom@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
On 21-10-2024 12:46 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 12:12:22 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 14:59:18 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
"john larkin" <JL@gct.com> wrote in message
news:2rjahj1m5itht9k5nlh5p9q11onumbbb5s@4ax.com...
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 19:32:45 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 10/20/24 19:18, Cursitor Doom wrote:
I once heard the BBC's ' Environment Analyst' describe air pressure in
Degrees Centigrade.
That's what happens in organisations like the BBC where capability in a
given field comes a poor second to racial and gender recruiting quotas.
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 17:55:10 +0100, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 01:59:03 +0200, Lasse Langwadt <llc@fonz.dk> wrote:
On 10/20/24 23:17, john larkin wrote:But if it's priced in cents, the cents symbol goes last.
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 01:18:29 +0530, Pimpom <Pimpom@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
On 21-10-2024 12:46 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 12:12:22 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 14:59:18 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
"john larkin" <JL@gct.com> wrote in messageUnless you believe in physics/SI notation.
news:2rjahj1m5itht9k5nlh5p9q11onumbbb5s@4ax.com...
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 19:32:45 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 10/20/24 19:18, Cursitor Doom wrote:
John Larkin has from time to time posted some elementary
questions he likes to torture his job applicants with. I'd
like to propose one of my own.
If I'm measuring 218 ohms between points A and B in this
diagram, what is the value of Rx?
https://disk.yandex.com/i/hxjWx0tDUCzxiA
517 Ohms.
Jeroen Belleman
Does R330 mean 0.33 ohms?
I hate that sort of notation, like 2k47.
I keep having difficulty not using it in LTSpice.
0.33 ohms would be 0R33
So is R330 the reference designator?
Sorry, foreign notation. It's 330 ohms and 47 ohms.
Thought so.
Personally, I sometimes use the European style of placing decimal
values after the unit name, especially when space is limited as in
a packed schematic. 4k7 takes up slightly less space than 4.7k
*and* there's no chance of missing the decimal point. Likewise
values like 6n8
Maybe european decimal points slide off drawings and fall on the
floor. Robust American decimal points and schematic connect dots
don't do that.
How are things priced in a grocery store? Is the 'euros' symbol
straddled by numbers on both sides?
no but ? is behind the number not in front of it like $ ;)
We follow SI rules in engineering, but in everyday life the quirky old
stuff is sort of fun. We measure distances in blocks or football fields
and fluid volume in olympic-size swimming pools, or sometimes
acre-feet.
4k7 is not an SI unit of measure.
...or even measurement?
I once heard the BBC's ' Environment Analyst' describe air pressure in
Degrees Centigrade.
That's what happens in organisations like the BBC where capability in a
given field comes a poor second to racial and gender recruiting quotas.
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 09:27:24 -0400, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
Jan Panteltje wrote:
And the old zig-zag symbols the US uses for resistors.....
--\/\/\/\/\--------
better ---====-----
2k2
What's the point of that?
Wasn't the zigzag used everywhere for 100 years?
A rectangle could be anything.
I fully agree, Tom. If I saw that thing I'd immediately assume it
represented a cocktail sausage.
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 16:45:11 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 19:34:29 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
"piglet" <erichpwagner@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>news:vf3ntu$i9cd$1@dont-email.me...The other legacy of unreliable dots (I suppose they used to fall off
On 20/10/2024 7:59 pm, Edward Rawde wrote:
"john larkin" <JL@gct.com> wrote in messageLT Spice will happily accept 2k47 for 2470 ohms - you can even use
news:2rjahj1m5itht9k5nlh5p9q11onumbbb5s@4ax.com...
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 19:32:45 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 10/20/24 19:18, Cursitor Doom wrote:
John Larkin has from time to time posted some elementary questions >>>>>>>> he likes to torture his job applicants with. I'd like to propose >>>>>>>> one of my own.
If I'm measuring 218 ohms between points A and B in this diagram, >>>>>>>> what is the value of Rx?
https://disk.yandex.com/i/hxjWx0tDUCzxiA
517 Ohms.
Jeroen Belleman
Does R330 mean 0.33 ohms?
I hate that sort of notation, like 2k47.
I keep having difficulty not using it in LTSpice.
0.33 ohms would be 0R33
0meg33 if you want for 330k in the old Soviet way
The reason I try to avoid it outside locations where it's not questioned >>>is because there's always someone who will ask what does 2k7 mean? :)
piglet
drawings 50 years ago) is people who refuse to make a clean 4-way
connection with one dot. They insist on using two 3-ways, two dots with
a clumsy offset.
The British and American dots have always been fine. The German ones used
to be very reliable, too - until they pooled their symbols with countries >like Ireland, Italy, Spain, Greece and Portugal.
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 17:55:10 +0100, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 01:59:03 +0200, Lasse Langwadt <llc@fonz.dk> wrote:
On 10/20/24 23:17, john larkin wrote:But if it's priced in cents, the cents symbol goes last.
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 01:18:29 +0530, Pimpom <Pimpom@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
On 21-10-2024 12:46 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 12:12:22 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 14:59:18 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
"john larkin" <JL@gct.com> wrote in messageUnless you believe in physics/SI notation.
news:2rjahj1m5itht9k5nlh5p9q11onumbbb5s@4ax.com...
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 19:32:45 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 10/20/24 19:18, Cursitor Doom wrote:
John Larkin has from time to time posted some elementary
questions he likes to torture his job applicants with. I'd
like to propose one of my own.
If I'm measuring 218 ohms between points A and B in this
diagram, what is the value of Rx?
https://disk.yandex.com/i/hxjWx0tDUCzxiA
517 Ohms.
Jeroen Belleman
Does R330 mean 0.33 ohms?
I hate that sort of notation, like 2k47.
I keep having difficulty not using it in LTSpice.
0.33 ohms would be 0R33
So is R330 the reference designator?
Sorry, foreign notation. It's 330 ohms and 47 ohms.
Thought so.
Personally, I sometimes use the European style of placing decimal
values after the unit name, especially when space is limited as in
a packed schematic. 4k7 takes up slightly less space than 4.7k
*and* there's no chance of missing the decimal point. Likewise
values like 6n8
Maybe european decimal points slide off drawings and fall on the
floor. Robust American decimal points and schematic connect dots
don't do that.
How are things priced in a grocery store? Is the 'euros' symbol
straddled by numbers on both sides?
no but € is behind the number not in front of it like $ ;)
We follow SI rules in engineering, but in everyday life the quirky old
stuff is sort of fun. We measure distances in blocks or football fields
and fluid volume in olympic-size swimming pools, or sometimes
acre-feet.
4k7 is not an SI unit of measure.
...or even measurement?
I once heard the BBC's ' Environment Analyst' describe air pressure in Degrees Centigrade.
That's what happens in organisations like the BBC where capability in a
given field comes a poor second to racial and gender recruiting quotas.
On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 13:34:44 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 17:55:10 +0100, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 01:59:03 +0200, Lasse Langwadt <llc@fonz.dk>
wrote:
On 10/20/24 23:17, john larkin wrote:But if it's priced in cents, the cents symbol goes last.
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 01:18:29 +0530, Pimpom
<Pimpom@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
On 21-10-2024 12:46 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 12:12:22 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 14:59:18 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
"john larkin" <JL@gct.com> wrote in messageUnless you believe in physics/SI notation.
news:2rjahj1m5itht9k5nlh5p9q11onumbbb5s@4ax.com...
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 19:32:45 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 10/20/24 19:18, Cursitor Doom wrote:
John Larkin has from time to time posted some elementary
questions he likes to torture his job applicants with. I'd
like to propose one of my own.
If I'm measuring 218 ohms between points A and B in this
diagram, what is the value of Rx?
https://disk.yandex.com/i/hxjWx0tDUCzxiA
517 Ohms.
Jeroen Belleman
Does R330 mean 0.33 ohms?
I hate that sort of notation, like 2k47.
I keep having difficulty not using it in LTSpice.
0.33 ohms would be 0R33
So is R330 the reference designator?
Sorry, foreign notation. It's 330 ohms and 47 ohms.
Thought so.
Personally, I sometimes use the European style of placing decimal
values after the unit name, especially when space is limited as
in a packed schematic. 4k7 takes up slightly less space than 4.7k
*and* there's no chance of missing the decimal point. Likewise
values like 6n8
Maybe european decimal points slide off drawings and fall on the
floor. Robust American decimal points and schematic connect dots
don't do that.
How are things priced in a grocery store? Is the 'euros' symbol
straddled by numbers on both sides?
no but ? is behind the number not in front of it like $ ;)
We follow SI rules in engineering, but in everyday life the quirky
old stuff is sort of fun. We measure distances in blocks or football
fields and fluid volume in olympic-size swimming pools, or sometimes
acre-feet.
4k7 is not an SI unit of measure.
...or even measurement?
I once heard the BBC's ' Environment Analyst' describe air pressure in
Degrees Centigrade.
That's what happens in organisations like the BBC where capability in a >>given field comes a poor second to racial and gender recruiting quotas.
What can you expect from a country that has a House of Twits?
On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 13:48:00 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 09:27:24 -0400, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
Jan Panteltje wrote:
And the old zig-zag symbols the US uses for resistors.....
--\/\/\/\/\--------
better ---====-----
2k2
What's the point of that?
Wasn't the zigzag used everywhere for 100 years?
A rectangle could be anything.
It's a connector pin on our schematics.
I fully agree, Tom. If I saw that thing I'd immediately assume it >>represented a cocktail sausage.
Edible schematics. Sounds good to me. The little rectangles on the lower-right can hold the dippy sauces and toothpicks.
On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 08:16:19 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 13:48:00 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 09:27:24 -0400, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
Jan Panteltje wrote:
And the old zig-zag symbols the US uses for resistors.....
--\/\/\/\/\--------
better ---====-----
2k2
What's the point of that?
Wasn't the zigzag used everywhere for 100 years?
A rectangle could be anything.
It's a connector pin on our schematics.
I fully agree, Tom. If I saw that thing I'd immediately assume it >>>represented a cocktail sausage.
Edible schematics. Sounds good to me. The little rectangles on the
lower-right can hold the dippy sauces and toothpicks.
I did wonder what they were for, but lacked the confidence to ask about
them. Thanks, John.
On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 08:12:39 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 13:34:44 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 17:55:10 +0100, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 01:59:03 +0200, Lasse Langwadt <llc@fonz.dk>
wrote:
On 10/20/24 23:17, john larkin wrote:But if it's priced in cents, the cents symbol goes last.
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 01:18:29 +0530, Pimpom
<Pimpom@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
On 21-10-2024 12:46 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 12:12:22 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 14:59:18 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
"john larkin" <JL@gct.com> wrote in messageUnless you believe in physics/SI notation.
news:2rjahj1m5itht9k5nlh5p9q11onumbbb5s@4ax.com...
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 19:32:45 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 10/20/24 19:18, Cursitor Doom wrote:
John Larkin has from time to time posted some elementary >>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions he likes to torture his job applicants with. I'd >>>>>>>>>>>>>> like to propose one of my own.
If I'm measuring 218 ohms between points A and B in this >>>>>>>>>>>>>> diagram, what is the value of Rx?
https://disk.yandex.com/i/hxjWx0tDUCzxiA
517 Ohms.
Jeroen Belleman
Does R330 mean 0.33 ohms?
I hate that sort of notation, like 2k47.
I keep having difficulty not using it in LTSpice.
0.33 ohms would be 0R33
So is R330 the reference designator?
Sorry, foreign notation. It's 330 ohms and 47 ohms.
Thought so.
Personally, I sometimes use the European style of placing decimal >>>>>>>> values after the unit name, especially when space is limited as >>>>>>>> in a packed schematic. 4k7 takes up slightly less space than 4.7k >>>>>>>> *and* there's no chance of missing the decimal point. Likewise >>>>>>>> values like 6n8
Maybe european decimal points slide off drawings and fall on the >>>>>>> floor. Robust American decimal points and schematic connect dots >>>>>>> don't do that.
How are things priced in a grocery store? Is the 'euros' symbol
straddled by numbers on both sides?
no but ? is behind the number not in front of it like $ ;)
We follow SI rules in engineering, but in everyday life the quirky
old stuff is sort of fun. We measure distances in blocks or football >>>>> fields and fluid volume in olympic-size swimming pools, or sometimes >>>>> acre-feet.
4k7 is not an SI unit of measure.
...or even measurement?
I once heard the BBC's ' Environment Analyst' describe air pressure in >>>> Degrees Centigrade.
That's what happens in organisations like the BBC where capability in a
given field comes a poor second to racial and gender recruiting quotas.
What can you expect from a country that has a House of Twits?
Well, they have one now, but it was not always thus.
The original House of Lords (as constituted for around 700 years) was a genuinely respectable institution. Those who were elevated to the peerage were required to submit to the doctrine of Noblesse oblige and so to put
the interests of the lower orders above their own. Sadly, that's all gone
by the wayside over the last 150 years or so and now there is but a cohort
of grifters who have taken over this once noble House. Sad but true.
On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 21:47:43 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 08:16:19 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 13:48:00 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 09:27:24 -0400, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
Jan Panteltje wrote:
And the old zig-zag symbols the US uses for resistors.....
--\/\/\/\/\--------
better ---====-----
2k2
What's the point of that?
Wasn't the zigzag used everywhere for 100 years?
A rectangle could be anything.
It's a connector pin on our schematics.
I fully agree, Tom. If I saw that thing I'd immediately assume it
represented a cocktail sausage.
Edible schematics. Sounds good to me. The little rectangles on the
lower-right can hold the dippy sauces and toothpicks.
I did wonder what they were for, but lacked the confidence to ask about
them. Thanks, John.
I just got a pack of this
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001DKLAJ6
With the right pencil, it does great line work and photographs well.
Erases nicely too.
It doesn't have a grid, but it's translucent so I lay it on top of a
sheet of blue-grid paler and I can follow the lines when I draw.
On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 13:54:04 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 16:45:11 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 19:34:29 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
"piglet" <erichpwagner@hotmail.com> wrote in messageThe other legacy of unreliable dots (I suppose they used to fall off
news:vf3ntu$i9cd$1@dont-email.me...
On 20/10/2024 7:59 pm, Edward Rawde wrote:
"john larkin" <JL@gct.com> wrote in messageLT Spice will happily accept 2k47 for 2470 ohms - you can even use
news:2rjahj1m5itht9k5nlh5p9q11onumbbb5s@4ax.com...
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 19:32:45 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 10/20/24 19:18, Cursitor Doom wrote:
John Larkin has from time to time posted some elementary questions >>>>>>>>> he likes to torture his job applicants with. I'd like to propose >>>>>>>>> one of my own.
If I'm measuring 218 ohms between points A and B in this diagram, >>>>>>>>> what is the value of Rx?
https://disk.yandex.com/i/hxjWx0tDUCzxiA
517 Ohms.
Jeroen Belleman
Does R330 mean 0.33 ohms?
I hate that sort of notation, like 2k47.
I keep having difficulty not using it in LTSpice.
0.33 ohms would be 0R33
0meg33 if you want for 330k in the old Soviet way
The reason I try to avoid it outside locations where it's not questioned >>>> is because there's always someone who will ask what does 2k7 mean? :)
piglet
drawings 50 years ago) is people who refuse to make a clean 4-way
connection with one dot. They insist on using two 3-ways, two dots with
a clumsy offset.
The British and American dots have always been fine. The German ones used
to be very reliable, too - until they pooled their symbols with countries
like Ireland, Italy, Spain, Greece and Portugal.
Does good food go with bad electronics?
I guess not. Russia has bad food and bad electronics.
The original House of Lords (as constituted for around 700 years) was a genuinely respectable institution. Those who were elevated to the peerage were required to submit to the doctrine of Noblesse oblige and so to put
the interests of the lower orders above their own. Sadly, that's all gone
by the wayside over the last 150 years or so and now there is but a cohort
of grifters who have taken over this once noble House. Sad but true.
So somebody has made a grade of paper that works as well as the Mylar drafting film that I used back in the days when we still drew circuit
diagram with pencils on a drawing board.
On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 21:47:43 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 08:16:19 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 13:48:00 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 09:27:24 -0400, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
Jan Panteltje wrote:
And the old zig-zag symbols the US uses for resistors.....
--\/\/\/\/\--------
better ---====-----
2k2
What's the point of that?
Wasn't the zigzag used everywhere for 100 years?
A rectangle could be anything.
It's a connector pin on our schematics.
I fully agree, Tom. If I saw that thing I'd immediately assume it >>>>represented a cocktail sausage.
Edible schematics. Sounds good to me. The little rectangles on the
lower-right can hold the dippy sauces and toothpicks.
I did wonder what they were for, but lacked the confidence to ask about >>them. Thanks, John.
I just got a pack of this
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001DKLAJ6
With the right pencil, it does great line work and photographs well.
Erases nicely too.
It doesn't have a grid, but it's translucent so I lay it on top of a
sheet of blue-grid paler and I can follow the lines when I draw.
On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 15:24:02 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 21:47:43 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 08:16:19 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 13:48:00 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 09:27:24 -0400, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
Jan Panteltje wrote:
And the old zig-zag symbols the US uses for resistors.....
--\/\/\/\/\--------
better ---====-----
2k2
What's the point of that?
Wasn't the zigzag used everywhere for 100 years?
A rectangle could be anything.
It's a connector pin on our schematics.
I fully agree, Tom. If I saw that thing I'd immediately assume it >>>>>represented a cocktail sausage.
Edible schematics. Sounds good to me. The little rectangles on the
lower-right can hold the dippy sauces and toothpicks.
I did wonder what they were for, but lacked the confidence to ask about >>>them. Thanks, John.
I just got a pack of this
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001DKLAJ6
With the right pencil, it does great line work and photographs well.
Erases nicely too.
It doesn't have a grid, but it's translucent so I lay it on top of a
sheet of blue-grid paler and I can follow the lines when I draw.
And these are a positive boon for those of us tired of trying to find >European dots that have fallen on the floor:
https://tinyurl.com/2972vu7c
On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 09:11:37 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:rlkey=asfyswunc5jbni5sugg3ix6f4&raw=1
On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 15:24:02 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 21:47:43 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 08:16:19 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 13:48:00 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 09:27:24 -0400, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
Jan Panteltje wrote:
And the old zig-zag symbols the US uses for resistors.....
--\/\/\/\/\--------
better ---====-----
2k2
What's the point of that?
Wasn't the zigzag used everywhere for 100 years?
A rectangle could be anything.
It's a connector pin on our schematics.
I fully agree, Tom. If I saw that thing I'd immediately assume it >>>>>>represented a cocktail sausage.
Edible schematics. Sounds good to me. The little rectangles on the
lower-right can hold the dippy sauces and toothpicks.
I did wonder what they were for, but lacked the confidence to ask
about them. Thanks, John.
I just got a pack of this
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001DKLAJ6
With the right pencil, it does great line work and photographs well.
Erases nicely too.
It doesn't have a grid, but it's translucent so I lay it on top of a
sheet of blue-grid paler and I can follow the lines when I draw.
And these are a positive boon for those of us tired of trying to find >>European dots that have fallen on the floor:
https://tinyurl.com/2972vu7c
I sometimes draw a schemetic by taping parts pictures to a sheet of
D-size vellum and drawing in the rest. I photograph that and give it to
one of my guys to enter into PADS Logic and eventually do a PCB layout.
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/dxxtokrqe2cvcw6ldf5kd/B943_Sh_11.jpg?
That's scads faster than doing the CAD entry myself. More moving around,
less sitting and clicking.
In our new office/design center we don't have a real conference room,
so we go on group hikes around the Bernal Cut or in Glen Canyon. That
seems to really work, getting physical outdoors with the crew. I just
wish that more trees had whiteboards.
On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 10:37:19 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 09:11:37 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 15:24:02 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 21:47:43 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 08:16:19 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 13:48:00 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 09:27:24 -0400, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
Jan Panteltje wrote:
And the old zig-zag symbols the US uses for resistors.....
--\/\/\/\/\--------
better ---====-----
2k2
What's the point of that?
Wasn't the zigzag used everywhere for 100 years?
A rectangle could be anything.
It's a connector pin on our schematics.
I fully agree, Tom. If I saw that thing I'd immediately assume it >>>>>>>represented a cocktail sausage.
Edible schematics. Sounds good to me. The little rectangles on the >>>>>> lower-right can hold the dippy sauces and toothpicks.
I did wonder what they were for, but lacked the confidence to ask >>>>>about them. Thanks, John.
I just got a pack of this
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001DKLAJ6
With the right pencil, it does great line work and photographs well.
Erases nicely too.
It doesn't have a grid, but it's translucent so I lay it on top of a
sheet of blue-grid paler and I can follow the lines when I draw.
And these are a positive boon for those of us tired of trying to find >>>European dots that have fallen on the floor:
https://tinyurl.com/2972vu7c
I sometimes draw a schemetic by taping parts pictures to a sheet of
D-size vellum and drawing in the rest. I photograph that and give it to
one of my guys to enter into PADS Logic and eventually do a PCB layout.
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/dxxtokrqe2cvcw6ldf5kd/B943_Sh_11.jpg? >rlkey=asfyswunc5jbni5sugg3ix6f4&raw=1
That's scads faster than doing the CAD entry myself. More moving around,
less sitting and clicking.
In our new office/design center we don't have a real conference room,
so we go on group hikes around the Bernal Cut or in Glen Canyon. That
seems to really work, getting physical outdoors with the crew. I just
wish that more trees had whiteboards.
That physical exercise and fresh air probably will give a bit of a brain >boost to get the old grey cells firing at full efficiency. To turbocharge >that effect, give the guys plenty of strong coffee and donuts before they
go out. Works for me!
On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 10:37:19 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 09:11:37 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doomrlkey=asfyswunc5jbni5sugg3ix6f4&raw=1
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 15:24:02 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 21:47:43 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 08:16:19 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 13:48:00 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 09:27:24 -0400, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
Jan Panteltje wrote:
And the old zig-zag symbols the US uses for resistors.....
--\/\/\/\/\--------
better ---====-----
2k2
What's the point of that?
Wasn't the zigzag used everywhere for 100 years?
A rectangle could be anything.
It's a connector pin on our schematics.
I fully agree, Tom. If I saw that thing I'd immediately assume it >>>>>>> represented a cocktail sausage.
Edible schematics. Sounds good to me. The little rectangles on the >>>>>> lower-right can hold the dippy sauces and toothpicks.
I did wonder what they were for, but lacked the confidence to ask
about them. Thanks, John.
I just got a pack of this
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001DKLAJ6
With the right pencil, it does great line work and photographs well.
Erases nicely too.
It doesn't have a grid, but it's translucent so I lay it on top of a
sheet of blue-grid paler and I can follow the lines when I draw.
And these are a positive boon for those of us tired of trying to find
European dots that have fallen on the floor:
https://tinyurl.com/2972vu7c
I sometimes draw a schemetic by taping parts pictures to a sheet of
D-size vellum and drawing in the rest. I photograph that and give it to
one of my guys to enter into PADS Logic and eventually do a PCB layout.
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/dxxtokrqe2cvcw6ldf5kd/B943_Sh_11.jpg?
That's scads faster than doing the CAD entry myself. More moving around,
less sitting and clicking.
In our new office/design center we don't have a real conference room,
so we go on group hikes around the Bernal Cut or in Glen Canyon. That
seems to really work, getting physical outdoors with the crew. I just
wish that more trees had whiteboards.
That physical exercise and fresh air probably will give a bit of a brain boost to get the old grey cells firing at full efficiency. To turbocharge that effect, give the guys plenty of strong coffee and donuts before they
go out. Works for me!
In our new office/design center we don't have a real conference room,
so we go on group hikes around the Bernal Cut or in Glen Canyon. That
seems to really work, getting physical outdoors with the crew. I just
wish that more trees had whiteboards.
fdBill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
[...]
So somebody has made a grade of paper that works as well as the Mylar
drafting film that I used back in the days when we still drew circuit
diagram with pencils on a drawing board.
I wonder if anyone else has experienced the 'Looking Glass' phenomenon
which I used to get?
I often had to lay out a printed circuit board on translucent paper and
work from either side. After working for a few days on the mirror-image side, with all the text reversed, I found it became so natural that
returning to the right-way-around World was very difficult. That
transition was far more difficult than adapting to the
looking-glass-World had been in the first place.
I attribute it to being left-handed (and have also noticed that I dream left-right reversed).
fdBill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
[...]
So somebody has made a grade of paper that works as well as the Mylar
drafting film that I used back in the days when we still drew circuit
diagram with pencils on a drawing board.
I wonder if anyone else has experienced the 'Looking Glass' phenomenon
which I used to get?
I often had to lay out a printed circuit board on translucent paper and
work from either side. After working for a few days on the mirror-image >side, with all the text reversed, I found it became so natural that
returning to the right-way-around World was very difficult. That
transition was far more difficult than adapting to the
looking-glass-World had been in the first place.
I attribute it to being left-handed (and have also noticed that I dream >left-right reversed).
On a sunny day (Sun, 27 Oct 2024 10:37:19 -0700) it happened john larkin ><JL@gct.com> wrote in <3gtshjh0v2s0ahia7d9lcfnp0nj6a13nga@4ax.com>:
In our new office/design center we don't have a real conference room,
so we go on group hikes around the Bernal Cut or in Glen Canyon. That
seems to really work, getting physical outdoors with the crew. I just
wish that more trees had whiteboards.
Go to the beach and draw in the sand?
On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 06:06:38 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 27 Oct 2024 10:37:19 -0700) it happened john larkin >><JL@gct.com> wrote in <3gtshjh0v2s0ahia7d9lcfnp0nj6a13nga@4ax.com>:
In our new office/design center we don't have a real conference room,
so we go on group hikes around the Bernal Cut or in Glen Canyon. That >>>seems to really work, getting physical outdoors with the crew. I just >>>wish that more trees had whiteboards.
Go to the beach and draw in the sand?
We'd have to drive to a beach (ocean or Bay or Gate are about equal >distances) and that would be a nuisance with parking and such. And the >graphic resolution of sand is mediocre.
No whiteboard forces more mental visualization. We can bail on the
hike and go back to the office and whiteboard, max delay about 20
minutes.
Architectural and management concepts work in a hike, circuit design
not so well.
Percolating ideas is an interesting process. There must be books on
the subject. The physical situation seems to matter.
On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 21:47:43 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 08:16:19 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 13:48:00 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 09:27:24 -0400, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
Jan Panteltje wrote:
And the old zig-zag symbols the US uses for resistors.....
--\/\/\/\/\--------
better ---====-----
2k2
What's the point of that?
Wasn't the zigzag used everywhere for 100 years?
A rectangle could be anything.
It's a connector pin on our schematics.
I fully agree, Tom. If I saw that thing I'd immediately assume it
represented a cocktail sausage.
Edible schematics. Sounds good to me. The little rectangles on the
lower-right can hold the dippy sauces and toothpicks.
I did wonder what they were for, but lacked the confidence to ask about
them. Thanks, John.
I just got a pack of this
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001DKLAJ6
With the right pencil, it does great line work and photographs well.
Erases nicely too.
It doesn't have a grid, but it's translucent so I lay it on top of a
sheet of blue-grid paler and I can follow the lines when I draw.
On a sunny day (Mon, 28 Oct 2024 08:17:36 -0700) it happened john larkin ><JL@gct.com> wrote in <jaavhjd47r91dcva8mjffo6f7q7ehgk855@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 06:06:38 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 27 Oct 2024 10:37:19 -0700) it happened john larkin >>><JL@gct.com> wrote in <3gtshjh0v2s0ahia7d9lcfnp0nj6a13nga@4ax.com>:
In our new office/design center we don't have a real conference room, >>>>so we go on group hikes around the Bernal Cut or in Glen Canyon. That >>>>seems to really work, getting physical outdoors with the crew. I just >>>>wish that more trees had whiteboards.
Go to the beach and draw in the sand?
We'd have to drive to a beach (ocean or Bay or Gate are about equal >>distances) and that would be a nuisance with parking and such. And the >>graphic resolution of sand is mediocre.
No whiteboard forces more mental visualization. We can bail on the
hike and go back to the office and whiteboard, max delay about 20
minutes.
Architectural and management concepts work in a hike, circuit design
not so well.
Percolating ideas is an interesting process. There must be books on
the subject. The physical situation seems to matter.
Nature is very inventive, plants, animals,
maybe spending some time there helps?
There are simple drawing programs for on your smartphone or laptop
that can be usd to show somebody more complex things wherever you are,
even via the internet (My laptop has a Huawei 4G stick, is on 4G)
I do need a working mouse however..
On a sunny day (Mon, 28 Oct 2024 08:17:36 -0700) it happened john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote in <jaavhjd47r91dcva8mjffo6f7q7ehgk855@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 06:06:38 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 27 Oct 2024 10:37:19 -0700) it happened john larkin >>> <JL@gct.com> wrote in <3gtshjh0v2s0ahia7d9lcfnp0nj6a13nga@4ax.com>:
In our new office/design center we don't have a real conference room,
so we go on group hikes around the Bernal Cut or in Glen Canyon. That
seems to really work, getting physical outdoors with the crew. I just
wish that more trees had whiteboards.
Go to the beach and draw in the sand?
We'd have to drive to a beach (ocean or Bay or Gate are about equal
distances) and that would be a nuisance with parking and such. And the
graphic resolution of sand is mediocre.
No whiteboard forces more mental visualization. We can bail on the
hike and go back to the office and whiteboard, max delay about 20
minutes.
Architectural and management concepts work in a hike, circuit design
not so well.
Percolating ideas is an interesting process. There must be books on
the subject. The physical situation seems to matter.
Nature is very inventive, plants, animals,
maybe spending some time there helps?
There are simple drawing programs for on your smartphone or laptop
that can be usd to show somebody more complex things wherever you are,
even via the internet (My laptop has a Huawei 4G stick, is on 4G)
I do need a working mouse however..
When I was younger, I could easily read and write backwards.
On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 16:18:52 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 28 Oct 2024 08:17:36 -0700) it happened john larkin >><JL@gct.com> wrote in <jaavhjd47r91dcva8mjffo6f7q7ehgk855@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 06:06:38 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 27 Oct 2024 10:37:19 -0700) it happened john larkin >>>><JL@gct.com> wrote in <3gtshjh0v2s0ahia7d9lcfnp0nj6a13nga@4ax.com>:
In our new office/design center we don't have a real conference room, >>>>>so we go on group hikes around the Bernal Cut or in Glen Canyon. That >>>>>seems to really work, getting physical outdoors with the crew. I just >>>>>wish that more trees had whiteboards.
Go to the beach and draw in the sand?
We'd have to drive to a beach (ocean or Bay or Gate are about equal >>>distances) and that would be a nuisance with parking and such. And the >>>graphic resolution of sand is mediocre.
No whiteboard forces more mental visualization. We can bail on the
hike and go back to the office and whiteboard, max delay about 20 >>>minutes.
Architectural and management concepts work in a hike, circuit design
not so well.
Percolating ideas is an interesting process. There must be books on
the subject. The physical situation seems to matter.
Nature is very inventive, plants, animals,
maybe spending some time there helps?
There are simple drawing programs for on your smartphone or laptop
that can be usd to show somebody more complex things wherever you are,
even via the internet (My laptop has a Huawei 4G stick, is on 4G)
I do need a working mouse however..
Thinking while hiking avoids the Eyeball Effect, the fact that most
people change their behavior as a function of how many eyeballs are
aimed at them. Actors and musicians and politicians have extreme
eyeball sensitivity, get high from big audiences. Most autistic people
have little or none.
Eyeball Effect distorts clear thinking. Hiking with people, you seldom
see their eyeballs.
I've noticed that animals, cats and dogs and birds, are sensitive to
eyeball effect too. It's probably a component of their threat
evaluation.
On a sunny day (Mon, 28 Oct 2024 11:25:51 -0700) it happened john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote in <galvhjds4u1rtuu8515mb1o769qhibga15@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 16:18:52 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 28 Oct 2024 08:17:36 -0700) it happened john larkin >>> <JL@gct.com> wrote in <jaavhjd47r91dcva8mjffo6f7q7ehgk855@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 06:06:38 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 27 Oct 2024 10:37:19 -0700) it happened john larkin >>>>> <JL@gct.com> wrote in <3gtshjh0v2s0ahia7d9lcfnp0nj6a13nga@4ax.com>:
In our new office/design center we don't have a real conference room, >>>>>> so we go on group hikes around the Bernal Cut or in Glen Canyon. That >>>>>> seems to really work, getting physical outdoors with the crew. I just >>>>>> wish that more trees had whiteboards.
Go to the beach and draw in the sand?
We'd have to drive to a beach (ocean or Bay or Gate are about equal
distances) and that would be a nuisance with parking and such. And the >>>> graphic resolution of sand is mediocre.
No whiteboard forces more mental visualization. We can bail on the
hike and go back to the office and whiteboard, max delay about 20
minutes.
Architectural and management concepts work in a hike, circuit design
not so well.
Percolating ideas is an interesting process. There must be books on
the subject. The physical situation seems to matter.
Nature is very inventive, plants, animals,
maybe spending some time there helps?
There are simple drawing programs for on your smartphone or laptop
that can be usd to show somebody more complex things wherever you are,
even via the internet (My laptop has a Huawei 4G stick, is on 4G)
I do need a working mouse however..
Thinking while hiking avoids the Eyeball Effect, the fact that most
people change their behavior as a function of how many eyeballs are
aimed at them. Actors and musicians and politicians have extreme
eyeball sensitivity, get high from big audiences. Most autistic people
have little or none.
Eyeball Effect distorts clear thinking. Hiking with people, you seldom
see their eyeballs.
I've noticed that animals, cats and dogs and birds, are sensitive to
eyeball effect too. It's probably a component of their threat
evaluation.
Every evening I put out some food for the birds here, mostly crows.
Last night I checked and the neighbor's cat was eating it...
It did not even care when I tapped against the window ... was hungry likely. The crows know me, they greet me .. crows are very smart.
On a sunny day (Mon, 28 Oct 2024 11:25:51 -0700) it happened john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote in <galvhjds4u1rtuu8515mb1o769qhibga15@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 16:18:52 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 28 Oct 2024 08:17:36 -0700) it happened john larkin >><JL@gct.com> wrote in <jaavhjd47r91dcva8mjffo6f7q7ehgk855@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 06:06:38 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 27 Oct 2024 10:37:19 -0700) it happened john larkin >>>><JL@gct.com> wrote in <3gtshjh0v2s0ahia7d9lcfnp0nj6a13nga@4ax.com>:
In our new office/design center we don't have a real conference room, >>>>>so we go on group hikes around the Bernal Cut or in Glen Canyon. That >>>>>seems to really work, getting physical outdoors with the crew. I just >>>>>wish that more trees had whiteboards.
Go to the beach and draw in the sand?
We'd have to drive to a beach (ocean or Bay or Gate are about equal >>>distances) and that would be a nuisance with parking and such. And the >>>graphic resolution of sand is mediocre.
No whiteboard forces more mental visualization. We can bail on the
hike and go back to the office and whiteboard, max delay about 20 >>>minutes.
Architectural and management concepts work in a hike, circuit design >>>not so well.
Percolating ideas is an interesting process. There must be books on
the subject. The physical situation seems to matter.
Nature is very inventive, plants, animals,
maybe spending some time there helps?
There are simple drawing programs for on your smartphone or laptop
that can be usd to show somebody more complex things wherever you are, >>even via the internet (My laptop has a Huawei 4G stick, is on 4G)
I do need a working mouse however..
Thinking while hiking avoids the Eyeball Effect, the fact that most
people change their behavior as a function of how many eyeballs are
aimed at them. Actors and musicians and politicians have extreme
eyeball sensitivity, get high from big audiences. Most autistic people
have little or none.
Eyeball Effect distorts clear thinking. Hiking with people, you seldom
see their eyeballs.
I've noticed that animals, cats and dogs and birds, are sensitive to >eyeball effect too. It's probably a component of their threat
evaluation.
Every evening I put out some food for the birds here, mostly crows.
Last night I checked and the neighbor's cat was eating it...
It did not even care when I tapped against the window ... was hungry likely. The crows know me, they greet me .. crows are very smart.
Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 28 Oct 2024 11:25:51 -0700) it happened john larkin
<jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote in <galvhjds4u1rtuu8515mb1o769qhibga15@4ax.com>: >>
On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 16:18:52 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 28 Oct 2024 08:17:36 -0700) it happened john larkin >> >><JL@gct.com> wrote in <jaavhjd47r91dcva8mjffo6f7q7ehgk855@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 06:06:38 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 27 Oct 2024 10:37:19 -0700) it happened john larkin >> >>>><JL@gct.com> wrote in <3gtshjh0v2s0ahia7d9lcfnp0nj6a13nga@4ax.com>:
In our new office/design center we don't have a real conference room, >> >>>>>so we go on group hikes around the Bernal Cut or in Glen Canyon. That >> >>>>>seems to really work, getting physical outdoors with the crew. I just >> >>>>>wish that more trees had whiteboards.
Go to the beach and draw in the sand?
We'd have to drive to a beach (ocean or Bay or Gate are about equal
distances) and that would be a nuisance with parking and such. And the
graphic resolution of sand is mediocre.
No whiteboard forces more mental visualization. We can bail on the
hike and go back to the office and whiteboard, max delay about 20
minutes.
Architectural and management concepts work in a hike, circuit design
not so well.
Percolating ideas is an interesting process. There must be books on
the subject. The physical situation seems to matter.
Nature is very inventive, plants, animals,
maybe spending some time there helps?
There are simple drawing programs for on your smartphone or laptop
that can be usd to show somebody more complex things wherever you are,
even via the internet (My laptop has a Huawei 4G stick, is on 4G)
I do need a working mouse however..
Thinking while hiking avoids the Eyeball Effect, the fact that most
people change their behavior as a function of how many eyeballs are
aimed at them. Actors and musicians and politicians have extreme
eyeball sensitivity, get high from big audiences. Most autistic people
have little or none.
Eyeball Effect distorts clear thinking. Hiking with people, you seldom
see their eyeballs.
I've noticed that animals, cats and dogs and birds, are sensitive to
eyeball effect too. It's probably a component of their threat
evaluation.
Every evening I put out some food for the birds here, mostly crows.
Last night I checked and the neighbor's cat was eating it...
It did not even care when I tapped against the window ... was hungry likely. >> The crows know me, they greet me .. crows are very smart.
You haven't put up a cart wheel on a pole for the storks? Perhaps you
could make one that doubled as a 'halo' aerial, which increased its
bandwidth during the nesting season when the presence of the storks
lowered the 'Q'.
I did consider something like that, on the roof for example.
Cats are very smart too, they somehow get on a lower roof, then make
noises in front of my bedroom,, They first jump on a garbage container and from there on the roof, clime to the top of that, from there they can, if they want, get to the main house roof. https://panteltje.nl/pub/garden_IXIMG_0763.JPG
On a sunny day (Mon, 28 Oct 2024 11:25:51 -0700) it happened john larkin ><jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote in <galvhjds4u1rtuu8515mb1o769qhibga15@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 16:18:52 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 28 Oct 2024 08:17:36 -0700) it happened john larkin >>><JL@gct.com> wrote in <jaavhjd47r91dcva8mjffo6f7q7ehgk855@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 06:06:38 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 27 Oct 2024 10:37:19 -0700) it happened john larkin >>>>><JL@gct.com> wrote in <3gtshjh0v2s0ahia7d9lcfnp0nj6a13nga@4ax.com>:
In our new office/design center we don't have a real conference room, >>>>>>so we go on group hikes around the Bernal Cut or in Glen Canyon. That >>>>>>seems to really work, getting physical outdoors with the crew. I just >>>>>>wish that more trees had whiteboards.
Go to the beach and draw in the sand?
We'd have to drive to a beach (ocean or Bay or Gate are about equal >>>>distances) and that would be a nuisance with parking and such. And the >>>>graphic resolution of sand is mediocre.
No whiteboard forces more mental visualization. We can bail on the
hike and go back to the office and whiteboard, max delay about 20 >>>>minutes.
Architectural and management concepts work in a hike, circuit design >>>>not so well.
Percolating ideas is an interesting process. There must be books on
the subject. The physical situation seems to matter.
Nature is very inventive, plants, animals,
maybe spending some time there helps?
There are simple drawing programs for on your smartphone or laptop
that can be usd to show somebody more complex things wherever you are, >>>even via the internet (My laptop has a Huawei 4G stick, is on 4G)
I do need a working mouse however..
Thinking while hiking avoids the Eyeball Effect, the fact that most
people change their behavior as a function of how many eyeballs are
aimed at them. Actors and musicians and politicians have extreme
eyeball sensitivity, get high from big audiences. Most autistic people
have little or none.
Eyeball Effect distorts clear thinking. Hiking with people, you seldom
see their eyeballs.
I've noticed that animals, cats and dogs and birds, are sensitive to >>eyeball effect too. It's probably a component of their threat
evaluation.
Every evening I put out some food for the birds here, mostly crows.
Last night I checked and the neighbor's cat was eating it...
It did not even care when I tapped against the window ... was hungry likely. >The crows know me, they greet me .. crows are very smart.
On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 06:28:56 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 28 Oct 2024 11:25:51 -0700) it happened john larkin >><jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote in <galvhjds4u1rtuu8515mb1o769qhibga15@4ax.com>: >>
On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 16:18:52 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 28 Oct 2024 08:17:36 -0700) it happened john larkin >>>><JL@gct.com> wrote in <jaavhjd47r91dcva8mjffo6f7q7ehgk855@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 06:06:38 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 27 Oct 2024 10:37:19 -0700) it happened john larkin >>>>>><JL@gct.com> wrote in <3gtshjh0v2s0ahia7d9lcfnp0nj6a13nga@4ax.com>: >>>>>>
In our new office/design center we don't have a real conference room, >>>>>>>so we go on group hikes around the Bernal Cut or in Glen Canyon. That >>>>>>>seems to really work, getting physical outdoors with the crew. I just >>>>>>>wish that more trees had whiteboards.
Go to the beach and draw in the sand?
We'd have to drive to a beach (ocean or Bay or Gate are about equal >>>>>distances) and that would be a nuisance with parking and such. And the >>>>>graphic resolution of sand is mediocre.
No whiteboard forces more mental visualization. We can bail on the >>>>>hike and go back to the office and whiteboard, max delay about 20 >>>>>minutes.
Architectural and management concepts work in a hike, circuit design >>>>>not so well.
Percolating ideas is an interesting process. There must be books on >>>>>the subject. The physical situation seems to matter.
Nature is very inventive, plants, animals,
maybe spending some time there helps?
There are simple drawing programs for on your smartphone or laptop
that can be usd to show somebody more complex things wherever you are, >>>>even via the internet (My laptop has a Huawei 4G stick, is on 4G)
I do need a working mouse however..
Thinking while hiking avoids the Eyeball Effect, the fact that most >>>people change their behavior as a function of how many eyeballs are
aimed at them. Actors and musicians and politicians have extreme
eyeball sensitivity, get high from big audiences. Most autistic people >>>have little or none.
Eyeball Effect distorts clear thinking. Hiking with people, you seldom >>>see their eyeballs.
I've noticed that animals, cats and dogs and birds, are sensitive to >>>eyeball effect too. It's probably a component of their threat
evaluation.
Every evening I put out some food for the birds here, mostly crows.
Last night I checked and the neighbor's cat was eating it...
It did not even care when I tapped against the window ... was hungry likely. >>The crows know me, they greet me .. crows are very smart.
The local bluejays will eat out of my hand, but the crows and ravens
won't.
We have giant red-tailed hawks that hover around. The crows gang up on
them and drive them away.
Given some Fritos on the deck, the jays will chase away the crows.
Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
I did consider something like that, on the roof for example.
Cats are very smart too, they somehow get on a lower roof, then make
noises in front of my bedroom,, They first jump on a garbage container and >> from there on the roof, clime to the top of that, from there they can, if
they want, get to the main house roof.
https://panteltje.nl/pub/garden_IXIMG_0763.JPG
Leave the lids of the containers open and see what happens.
You may
have to rescue some protesting cats but they might think twice about
using that route in the future.
I see you also have a ricketty wooden garden shed. Mine is my main >electronics workshop (being small, it is easy to heat in Winter). The
bigger stuff, like the lathe, lives in a spare downstairs room.
There are doves, but I chased those away as those shit on the windows..
you can hear them in summer all the time.
On a sunny day (Tue, 29 Oct 2024 14:50:22 +0000) it happened liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) wrote in <1r272da.pgehnd11iwlz7N%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>:[Halo aerial disguised as a storks' nest]
Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
I did consider something like that, on the roof for example.
Cats are very smart too, they somehow get on a lower roof, then make
noises in front of my bedroom,, They first jump on a garbage container and >> from there on the roof, clime to the top of that, from there they can, if >> they want, get to the main house roof.
https://panteltje.nl/pub/garden_IXIMG_0763.JPG
Leave the lids of the containers open and see what happens.
That is not such a good idea,[...]
I do not want cats dead, those are OK..
I have converted an upstairs room here into a soldering and
electronics assembly spot,
In the back of the garden grow grapes :-)
Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 29 Oct 2024 14:50:22 +0000) it happened[Halo aerial disguised as a storks' nest]
liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) wrote in
<1r272da.pgehnd11iwlz7N%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>:
Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
I did consider something like that, on the roof for example.
If you connected it to a really powerful transmitter, you could have
roast stork at Easter.
Cats are very smart too, they somehow get on a lower roof, then make
noises in front of my bedroom,, They first jump on a garbage container and
from there on the roof, clime to the top of that, from there they can, if >> >> they want, get to the main house roof.
https://panteltje.nl/pub/garden_IXIMG_0763.JPG
Leave the lids of the containers open and see what happens.
That is not such a good idea,[...]
I do not want cats dead, those are OK..
Prop up a piece of wood or metal sheeting at a steep angle on the lids,
so that cats slide off. If they get up behind it, they still won't be
able to jump onto the roof. You might be woken by the sound of the
sheeting hitting the ground after it has been pushed off the bins by a
cat.
[...]
I have converted an upstairs room here into a soldering and
electronics assembly spot,
Very sensible, especially in Winter.
[...]
In the back of the garden grow grapes :-)
Hooray for Global Warming!
In our new office/design center we don't have a real conference room,
so we go on group hikes around the Bernal Cut or in Glen Canyon. That
seems to really work, getting physical outdoors with the crew. I just
wish that more trees had whiteboards.
john larkin wrote:
In our new office/design center we don't have a real conference room,
so we go on group hikes around the Bernal Cut or in Glen Canyon. That
seems to really work, getting physical outdoors with the crew. I just
wish that more trees had whiteboards.
You need 2 interns. One to hold the board and one to draw as the others >speak.
On Sat, 16 Nov 2024 02:09:35 -0500, "Tom Del Rosso" <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:
john larkin wrote:
In our new office/design center we don't have a real conference room,
so we go on group hikes around the Bernal Cut or in Glen Canyon. That
seems to really work, getting physical outdoors with the crew. I just
wish that more trees had whiteboards.
You need 2 interns. One to hold the board and one to draw as the others
speak.
Great idea. I like to draw myself, so one can be the whiteboard, and
one can carry the markers and the eraser stuff. And a jug of coffee.
https://www.topnotchsigns.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Wearable-Printed.jpg
This time of year, interns are cheap.
Here is one of our several conference rooms:
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/4s4cz13r8i4d6x1kb5r4a/Conference_Room.jpg?rlkey=dmcjg76js62hswuaf73g8stkw&dl=0
With winter approaching, lots of cold rain, we can stop inventing for
a few months and just make things work.
"There is a time for every purpose under heaven."
Who said that?
On Sat, 16 Nov 2024 02:09:35 -0500, "Tom Del Rosso" ><fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:
john larkin wrote:
In our new office/design center we don't have a real conference room,
so we go on group hikes around the Bernal Cut or in Glen Canyon. That
seems to really work, getting physical outdoors with the crew. I just
wish that more trees had whiteboards.
You need 2 interns. One to hold the board and one to draw as the others >>speak.
Great idea. I like to draw myself, so one can be the whiteboard, and
one can carry the markers and the eraser stuff. And a jug of coffee.
https://www.topnotchsigns.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Wearable-Printed.jpg
This time of year, interns are cheap.
Here is one of our several conference rooms:
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/4s4cz13r8i4d6x1kb5r4a/Conference_Room.jpg?rlkey=dmcjg76js62hswuaf73g8stkw&dl=0
With winter approaching, lots of cold rain, we can stop inventing for
a few months and just make things work.
"There is a time for every purpose under heaven."
Who said that?
john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Nov 2024 02:09:35 -0500, "Tom Del Rosso"
<fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:
john larkin wrote:
In our new office/design center we don't have a real conference room,
so we go on group hikes around the Bernal Cut or in Glen Canyon. That
seems to really work, getting physical outdoors with the crew. I just
wish that more trees had whiteboards.
You need 2 interns. One to hold the board and one to draw as the others
speak.
Great idea. I like to draw myself, so one can be the whiteboard, and
one can carry the markers and the eraser stuff. And a jug of coffee.
https://www.topnotchsigns.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Wearable-Printed.jpg
This time of year, interns are cheap.
Here is one of our several conference rooms:
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/4s4cz13r8i4d6x1kb5r4a/Conference_Room.jpg?rlkey=dmcjg76js62hswuaf73g8stkw&dl=0
With winter approaching, lots of cold rain, we can stop inventing for
a few months and just make things work.
"There is a time for every purpose under heaven."
Who said that?
The Byrds, silly.
(It’s from Ecclesiastes, traditionally attributed to King Solomon. )
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
On Sat, 16 Nov 2024 16:35:41 -0000 (UTC), Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Nov 2024 02:09:35 -0500, "Tom Del Rosso"
<fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:
john larkin wrote:
In our new office/design center we don't have a real conference room, >>>>> so we go on group hikes around the Bernal Cut or in Glen Canyon. That >>>>> seems to really work, getting physical outdoors with the crew. I just >>>>> wish that more trees had whiteboards.
You need 2 interns. One to hold the board and one to draw as the others >>>> speak.
Great idea. I like to draw myself, so one can be the whiteboard, and
one can carry the markers and the eraser stuff. And a jug of coffee.
https://www.topnotchsigns.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Wearable-Printed.jpg
This time of year, interns are cheap.
Here is one of our several conference rooms:
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/4s4cz13r8i4d6x1kb5r4a/Conference_Room.jpg?rlkey=dmcjg76js62hswuaf73g8stkw&dl=0
With winter approaching, lots of cold rain, we can stop inventing for
a few months and just make things work.
"There is a time for every purpose under heaven."
Who said that?
The Byrds, silly.
(ItÂ’s from Ecclesiastes, traditionally attributed to King Solomon. )
Off to (Christian) Church tomorrow, I assume, Phil?
I am!
john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Nov 2024 02:09:35 -0500, "Tom Del Rosso"
<fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:
john larkin wrote:
In our new office/design center we don't have a real conference room,
so we go on group hikes around the Bernal Cut or in Glen Canyon. That
seems to really work, getting physical outdoors with the crew. I just
wish that more trees had whiteboards.
You need 2 interns. One to hold the board and one to draw as the others
speak.
Great idea. I like to draw myself, so one can be the whiteboard, and
one can carry the markers and the eraser stuff. And a jug of coffee.
https://www.topnotchsigns.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Wearable-Printed.jpg
This time of year, interns are cheap.
Here is one of our several conference rooms:
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/4s4cz13r8i4d6x1kb5r4a/Conference_Room.jpg?rlkey=dmcjg76js62hswuaf73g8stkw&dl=0
With winter approaching, lots of cold rain, we can stop inventing for
a few months and just make things work.
"There is a time for every purpose under heaven."
Who said that?
The Byrds, silly.
(It’s from Ecclesiastes, traditionally attributed to King Solomon. )
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
On Sat, 16 Nov 2024 07:48:02 -0800, john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Nov 2024 02:09:35 -0500, "Tom Del Rosso" >><fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:
john larkin wrote:
In our new office/design center we don't have a real conference room,
so we go on group hikes around the Bernal Cut or in Glen Canyon. That
seems to really work, getting physical outdoors with the crew. I just
wish that more trees had whiteboards.
You need 2 interns. One to hold the board and one to draw as the others >>>speak.
Great idea. I like to draw myself, so one can be the whiteboard, and
one can carry the markers and the eraser stuff. And a jug of coffee.
https://www.topnotchsigns.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Wearable-Printed.jpg
This time of year, interns are cheap.
Here is one of our several conference rooms:
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/4s4cz13r8i4d6x1kb5r4a/Conference_Room.jpg?rlkey=dmcjg76js62hswuaf73g8stkw&dl=0
With winter approaching, lots of cold rain, we can stop inventing for
a few months and just make things work.
"There is a time for every purpose under heaven."
Who said that?
God. About Trump.
On Sat, 16 Nov 2024 20:45:09 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 16 Nov 2024 07:48:02 -0800, john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Nov 2024 02:09:35 -0500, "Tom Del Rosso" >>><fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:
john larkin wrote:
In our new office/design center we don't have a real conference room, >>>>> so we go on group hikes around the Bernal Cut or in Glen Canyon. That >>>>> seems to really work, getting physical outdoors with the crew. I just >>>>> wish that more trees had whiteboards.
You need 2 interns. One to hold the board and one to draw as the others >>>>speak.
Great idea. I like to draw myself, so one can be the whiteboard, and
one can carry the markers and the eraser stuff. And a jug of coffee.
https://www.topnotchsigns.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Wearable-Printed.jpg
This time of year, interns are cheap.
Here is one of our several conference rooms:
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/4s4cz13r8i4d6x1kb5r4a/Conference_Room.jpg?rlkey=dmcjg76js62hswuaf73g8stkw&dl=0
With winter approaching, lots of cold rain, we can stop inventing for
a few months and just make things work.
"There is a time for every purpose under heaven."
Who said that?
God. About Trump.
What the world needs, now and then, is a little creative destruction.
Or a lot.
On 2024-10-26 18:24, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 21:47:43 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor DoomI use Clearprint too, the stuff with the fadeout blue grid. It's
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 08:16:19 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 13:48:00 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 09:27:24 -0400, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
Jan Panteltje wrote:
And the old zig-zag symbols the US uses for resistors.....
--\/\/\/\/\--------
better ---====-----
2k2
What's the point of that?
Wasn't the zigzag used everywhere for 100 years?
A rectangle could be anything.
It's a connector pin on our schematics.
I fully agree, Tom. If I saw that thing I'd immediately assume it
represented a cocktail sausage.
Edible schematics. Sounds good to me. The little rectangles on the
lower-right can hold the dippy sauces and toothpicks.
I did wonder what they were for, but lacked the confidence to ask about
them. Thanks, John.
I just got a pack of this
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001DKLAJ6
With the right pencil, it does great line work and photographs well.
Erases nicely too.
It doesn't have a grid, but it's translucent so I lay it on top of a
sheet of blue-grid paler and I can follow the lines when I draw.
printed on the back, which is just right.
I got mine from a stationary store that was going out of business, and
I'll probably have some to leave to my heirs. (Heathen designers'
funerals often include grave goods consisting of Staedtler lead holders, >electric erasers, and so on.) ;)
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
On Sat, 16 Nov 2024 14:11:33 -0800, john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Nov 2024 20:45:09 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> >>wrote:
On Sat, 16 Nov 2024 07:48:02 -0800, john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Nov 2024 02:09:35 -0500, "Tom Del Rosso" >>>><fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:
john larkin wrote:
In our new office/design center we don't have a real conference room, >>>>>> so we go on group hikes around the Bernal Cut or in Glen Canyon. That >>>>>> seems to really work, getting physical outdoors with the crew. I just >>>>>> wish that more trees had whiteboards.
You need 2 interns. One to hold the board and one to draw as the others >>>>>speak.
Great idea. I like to draw myself, so one can be the whiteboard, and >>>>one can carry the markers and the eraser stuff. And a jug of coffee.
https://www.topnotchsigns.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Wearable-Printed.jpg
This time of year, interns are cheap.
Here is one of our several conference rooms:
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/4s4cz13r8i4d6x1kb5r4a/Conference_Room.jpg?rlkey=dmcjg76js62hswuaf73g8stkw&dl=0
With winter approaching, lots of cold rain, we can stop inventing for
a few months and just make things work.
"There is a time for every purpose under heaven."
Who said that?
God. About Trump.
What the world needs, now and then, is a little creative destruction.
Or a lot.
The history of human existence swings from one extreme to the other.
It seems we have to slam into those rails either side of equilibrium
before we come back to where we were supposed to be in the first
place. We are currenly at the extreme boundary of Leftist thought with
only one direction to follow going forward...
Rejoice! Sanity has returned. :-)
On Sat, 16 Nov 2024 22:50:32 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 16 Nov 2024 14:11:33 -0800, john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Nov 2024 20:45:09 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> >>>wrote:
On Sat, 16 Nov 2024 07:48:02 -0800, john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Nov 2024 02:09:35 -0500, "Tom Del Rosso" >>>>><fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:
john larkin wrote:
In our new office/design center we don't have a real conference room, >>>>>>> so we go on group hikes around the Bernal Cut or in Glen Canyon. That >>>>>>> seems to really work, getting physical outdoors with the crew. I just >>>>>>> wish that more trees had whiteboards.
You need 2 interns. One to hold the board and one to draw as the others >>>>>>speak.
Great idea. I like to draw myself, so one can be the whiteboard, and >>>>>one can carry the markers and the eraser stuff. And a jug of coffee.
https://www.topnotchsigns.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Wearable-Printed.jpg
This time of year, interns are cheap.
Here is one of our several conference rooms:
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/4s4cz13r8i4d6x1kb5r4a/Conference_Room.jpg?rlkey=dmcjg76js62hswuaf73g8stkw&dl=0
With winter approaching, lots of cold rain, we can stop inventing for >>>>>a few months and just make things work.
"There is a time for every purpose under heaven."
Who said that?
God. About Trump.
What the world needs, now and then, is a little creative destruction.
Or a lot.
The history of human existence swings from one extreme to the other.
It seems we have to slam into those rails either side of equilibrium
before we come back to where we were supposed to be in the first
place. We are currenly at the extreme boundary of Leftist thought with
only one direction to follow going forward...
Rejoice! Sanity has returned. :-)
Two human drives are the need to blend into the tribe, and the need to
be a player in the latest fashions. The combination seems to be
unstable.
Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Nov 2024 16:35:41 -0000 (UTC), Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Nov 2024 02:09:35 -0500, "Tom Del Rosso"
<fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:
john larkin wrote:
In our new office/design center we don't have a real conference room, >>>>>> so we go on group hikes around the Bernal Cut or in Glen Canyon. That >>>>>> seems to really work, getting physical outdoors with the crew. I just >>>>>> wish that more trees had whiteboards.
You need 2 interns. One to hold the board and one to draw as the others >>>>> speak.
Great idea. I like to draw myself, so one can be the whiteboard, and
one can carry the markers and the eraser stuff. And a jug of coffee.
https://www.topnotchsigns.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Wearable-Printed.jpg
This time of year, interns are cheap.
Here is one of our several conference rooms:
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/4s4cz13r8i4d6x1kb5r4a/Conference_Room.jpg?rlkey=dmcjg76js62hswuaf73g8stkw&dl=0
With winter approaching, lots of cold rain, we can stop inventing for
a few months and just make things work.
"There is a time for every purpose under heaven."
Who said that?
The Byrds, silly.
(ItÂ’s from Ecclesiastes, traditionally attributed to King Solomon. )
Off to (Christian) Church tomorrow, I assume, Phil?
I am!
Virgin Mary Antiochian Orthodox Church, 236 Grandview Ave, Yonkers NY. A >beautiful place—y’all come!
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
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