• Join the NASA design challenge: win 15,000 dollars

    From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 23 13:18:11 2024
    Find Me on the Moon: NASA Lunar Navigation Challenge:
    https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/stmd/prizes-challenges-crowdsourcing-program/center-of-excellence-for-collaborative-innovation-coeci/find-me-on-the-moon-nasa-lunar-navigation-challenge/

    For Challenge 1, NASA is seeking an orienteering aid that will help the astronauts navigate on traverses away from the lunar lander and return back.
    While there were similar devices available to the Apollo astronauts, NASA is looking for new and unique solutions.
    If your solution is one of the best, you could be eligible for a share of the $15,000 prize purse.

    For Challenge 2, NASA is looking for assistance in getting to and mapping the bottom of Shackleton Crater.
    The design must work in the extreme conditions of the lunar south pole and Shackleton Crater, map the crater,
    characterize and quantify what is in the crater, and send the data back to be used for future missions.
    If you can solve this challenge by describing your design concept in detail, you could be eligible for a share of the $30,000 prize purse.

    ....
    seems to be a good chance to get your product named in the media John L? anybody else?


    You got to November 25 2024

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  • From ABLE1@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Mon Sep 23 09:39:42 2024
    On 9/23/2024 9:18 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Find Me on the Moon: NASA Lunar Navigation Challenge:
    https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/stmd/prizes-challenges-crowdsourcing-program/center-of-excellence-for-collaborative-innovation-coeci/find-me-on-the-moon-nasa-lunar-navigation-challenge/

    For Challenge 1, NASA is seeking an orienteering aid that will help the astronauts navigate on traverses away from the lunar lander and return back.
    While there were similar devices available to the Apollo astronauts, NASA is looking for new and unique solutions.
    If your solution is one of the best, you could be eligible for a share of the $15,000 prize purse.

    For Challenge 2, NASA is looking for assistance in getting to and mapping the bottom of Shackleton Crater.
    The design must work in the extreme conditions of the lunar south pole and Shackleton Crater, map the crater,
    characterize and quantify what is in the crater, and send the data back to be used for future missions.
    If you can solve this challenge by describing your design concept in detail, you could be eligible for a share of the $30,000 prize purse.

    ....
    seems to be a good chance to get your product named in the media John L? anybody else?


    You got to November 25 2024



    For Challenge 1:
    A simple drop of Bread Crumbs should work quite easily!!
    or
    A spool of thread with one end tied to the lander!!

    As for Challenge 2: I will leave that for another to work on.

    I will take the $15,000 in a Travelers Checks!! :-)

    Les

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to somebody@nowhere.com on Mon Sep 23 14:46:46 2024
    On a sunny day (Mon, 23 Sep 2024 09:39:42 -0400) it happened ABLE1 <somebody@nowhere.com> wrote in <yceIO.154400$1m96.134150@fx15.iad>:

    On 9/23/2024 9:18 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Find Me on the Moon: NASA Lunar Navigation Challenge:

    https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/stmd/prizes-challenges-crowdsourcing-program/center-of-excellence-for-collaborative-innovation-coeci/find-me-on-the-moon-nasa-lunar-navigation-challenge/

    For Challenge 1, NASA is seeking an orienteering aid that will help the astronauts navigate on traverses away from the lunar
    lander and return back.
    While there were similar devices available to the Apollo astronauts, NASA is looking for new and unique solutions.
    If your solution is one of the best, you could be eligible for a share of the $15,000 prize purse.

    For Challenge 2, NASA is looking for assistance in getting to and mapping the bottom of Shackleton Crater.
    The design must work in the extreme conditions of the lunar south pole and Shackleton Crater, map the crater,
    characterize and quantify what is in the crater, and send the data back to be used for future missions.
    If you can solve this challenge by describing your design concept in detail, you could be eligible for a share of the $30,000
    prize purse.

    ....
    seems to be a good chance to get your product named in the media John L?
    anybody else?


    You got to November 25 2024



    For Challenge 1:
    A simple drop of Bread Crumbs should work quite easily!!

    I like that one, why did I not think of it!

    or
    A spool of thread with one end tied to the lander!!

    As for Challenge 2: I will leave that for another to work on.

    I will take the $15,000 in a Travelers Checks!! :-)

    Les

    I find it a bit silly they say 'no electronics'
    Normally you would use 2 receivers with stearable antenna to do a
    cross bearing to the moonwalker's radio positions.
    And then could do the processing in some computer in the lander
    and display all positions on a build into the helmets display.
    Have all technicians left NASA?
    It is ham radio stuff, fox hunt stuff.

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  • From Pimpom@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 24 01:36:47 2024
    On 23-09-2024 07:09 pm, ABLE1 wrote:
    On 9/23/2024 9:18 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Find Me on the Moon: NASA Lunar Navigation Challenge:
      https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/stmd/prizes-challenges-
    crowdsourcing-program/center-of-excellence-for-collaborative-
    innovation-coeci/find-me-on-the-moon-nasa-lunar-navigation-challenge/

    For Challenge 1, NASA is seeking an orienteering aid that will help
    the astronauts navigate on traverses away from the lunar lander and
    return back.
    While there were similar devices available to the Apollo astronauts,
    NASA is looking for new and unique solutions.
    If your solution is one of the best, you could be eligible for a share
    of the $15,000 prize purse.

    For Challenge 2, NASA is looking for assistance in getting to and
    mapping the bottom of Shackleton Crater.
    The design must work in the extreme conditions of the lunar south pole
    and Shackleton Crater, map the crater,
    characterize and quantify what is in the crater, and send the data
    back to be used for future missions.
    If you can solve this challenge by describing your design concept in
    detail, you could be eligible for a share of the $30,000 prize purse.

    ....
    seems to be a good chance to get your product named in the media John L?
    anybody else?


    You got to November 25 2024



    For Challenge 1:
    A simple drop of Bread Crumbs should work quite easily!!
                        or
    A spool of thread with one end tied to the lander!!

    As for Challenge 2:  I will leave that for another to work on.

    I will take the $15,000 in a Travelers Checks!!  :-)

    Les

    This reminds me of a scene in the Tom Clancy novel "Debt of Honor set in
    the early 1990s. An old American couple and their guest were trapped on
    the Pacific island Saipan when a Japanese force took over the island in
    a surprise move.

    The two men surreptitiously red information to US military command by
    satellite phone but didn't know how to make sure that the phone was not transmitting signals that could be tracked when it wasn't being used.
    The lady of the house, an unsophisticated house wife, said something
    like "I don't know about you guys but me, I'd just take out the battery".

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  • From Wanderer@21:1/5 to somebody@nowhere.com on Mon Sep 23 04:45:35 2024
    On 9/23/2024 09:39:42, ABLE1 wrote:
    <somebody@nowhere.com> wrote in <yceIO.154400$1m96.134150@fx15.iad>:

    On 9/23/2024 9:18 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Find Me on the Moon: NASA Lunar Navigation Challenge:

    https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/stmd/prizes-challenges-crowdsourcing-program/center-of-excellence-for-collaborative-innovation-coeci/find-me-on-the-moon-nasa-lunar-navigation-challenge/

    For Challenge 1, NASA is seeking an orienteering aid that will help the astronauts navigate on traverses away from the lunar
    lander and return back.
    While there were similar devices available to the Apollo astronauts, NASA is looking for new and unique solutions.
    If your solution is one of the best, you could be eligible for a share of the $15,000 prize purse.

    For Challenge 2, NASA is looking for assistance in getting to and mapping the bottom of Shackleton Crater.
    The design must work in the extreme conditions of the lunar south pole and Shackleton Crater, map the crater,
    characterize and quantify what is in the crater, and send the data back to be used for future missions.
    If you can solve this challenge by describing your design concept in detail, you could be eligible for a share of the $30,000
    prize purse.

    ....
    seems to be a good chance to get your product named in the media John L?
    anybody else?


    You got to November 25 2024



    For Challenge 1:
    A simple drop of Bread Crumbs should work quite easily!!
    or
    A spool of thread with one end tied to the lander!!

    As for Challenge 2: I will leave that for another to work on.

    I will take the $15,000 in a Travelers Checks!! :-)

    Les

    It's an interesting problem. Could you just use a camera, and photograph some different
    peaks at one location and then walk a little way and photograph those same peaks and
    use some software to know how far you moved? You're in a crater so the crater rim should
    be visible from most locations. I'm sure they want to photograph everything anyway. So
    they just need software. No bread crumbs or thread to carry.

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  • From john larkin@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 23 14:25:07 2024
    On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 13:18:11 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    Find Me on the Moon: NASA Lunar Navigation Challenge:
    https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/stmd/prizes-challenges-crowdsourcing-program/center-of-excellence-for-collaborative-innovation-coeci/find-me-on-the-moon-nasa-lunar-navigation-challenge/

    For Challenge 1, NASA is seeking an orienteering aid that will help the astronauts navigate on traverses away from the lunar lander and return back.
    While there were similar devices available to the Apollo astronauts, NASA is looking for new and unique solutions.
    If your solution is one of the best, you could be eligible for a share of the $15,000 prize purse.

    For Challenge 2, NASA is looking for assistance in getting to and mapping the bottom of Shackleton Crater.
    The design must work in the extreme conditions of the lunar south pole and Shackleton Crater, map the crater,
    characterize and quantify what is in the crater, and send the data back to be used for future missions.
    If you can solve this challenge by describing your design concept in detail, you could be eligible for a share of the $30,000 prize purse.

    ....
    seems to be a good chance to get your product named in the media John L? >anybody else?


    You got to November 25 2024


    "could be eligible for a share of the $15,000 prize purse" is really
    tacky. NASA is really in the entertainment business, at great expense
    in dollars and lives.

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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to john larkin on Tue Sep 24 13:06:34 2024
    On 24/09/2024 7:25 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 13:18:11 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    Find Me on the Moon: NASA Lunar Navigation Challenge:
    https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/stmd/prizes-challenges-crowdsourcing-program/center-of-excellence-for-collaborative-innovation-coeci/find-me-on-the-moon-nasa-lunar-navigation-challenge/

    For Challenge 1, NASA is seeking an orienteering aid that will help the astronauts navigate on traverses away from the lunar lander and return back.
    While there were similar devices available to the Apollo astronauts, NASA is looking for new and unique solutions.
    If your solution is one of the best, you could be eligible for a share of the $15,000 prize purse.

    For Challenge 2, NASA is looking for assistance in getting to and mapping the bottom of Shackleton Crater.
    The design must work in the extreme conditions of the lunar south pole and Shackleton Crater, map the crater,
    characterize and quantify what is in the crater, and send the data back to be used for future missions.
    If you can solve this challenge by describing your design concept in detail, you could be eligible for a share of the $30,000 prize purse.

    ....
    seems to be a good chance to get your product named in the media John L?
    anybody else?


    You got to November 25 2024


    "could be eligible for a share of the $15,000 prize purse" is really
    tacky. NASA is really in the entertainment business, at great expense
    in dollars and lives.

    All academic research is entertainment business - citation rates are
    just audience numbers.

    What John Larkin doesn't appreciate is that the research is worth doing,
    and an unpredictable part of it has practical applications - some of
    them very profitable.

    NASA is very much blue skies research, but it they ever divert an
    asteroid before it makes us extinct, it will have paid off, big-time.

    The dinosaurs didn't bother, and John Larkin wouldn't either.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Liz Tuddenham@21:1/5 to Bill Sloman on Tue Sep 24 08:54:41 2024
    Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

    [...]
    divert an
    asteroid before it makes us extinct, it will have paid off, big-time.

    The dinosaurs didn't bother

    At school we heard what happened to the Bronco-sore-arse*, they were all
    wiped out by asteroids.




    [*In the UK years ago, 'Bronco' was a brand of hard toilet paper.]

    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to Liz Tuddenham on Wed Sep 25 00:32:30 2024
    On 24/09/2024 5:54 pm, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
    Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

    [...]
    divert an
    asteroid before it makes us extinct, it will have paid off, big-time.

    The dinosaurs didn't bother

    At school we heard what happened to the Bronco-sore-arse*, they were all wiped out by asteroids.

    Not by asteroids. One asteroid did for the lot of them.

    "In the late 1970s, geologist Walter Alvarez and his father, Nobel Prize-winning scientist Luis Walter Alvarez, put forth their theory that
    the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction was caused by an impact event."

    I'd got through graduate school long before their ideas had had much of
    an impact.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From john larkin@21:1/5 to Liz Tuddenham on Tue Sep 24 07:46:25 2024
    On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 08:54:41 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

    [...]
    divert an
    asteroid before it makes us extinct, it will have paid off, big-time.

    The dinosaurs didn't bother

    At school we heard what happened to the Bronco-sore-arse*, they were all >wiped out by asteroids.




    [*In the UK years ago, 'Bronco' was a brand of hard toilet paper.]

    Saddle sores. Makes sense.

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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to john larkin on Wed Sep 25 02:04:41 2024
    On 25/09/2024 12:46 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 08:54:41 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

    [...]
    divert an
    asteroid before it makes us extinct, it will have paid off, big-time.

    The dinosaurs didn't bother

    At school we heard what happened to the Bronco-sore-arse*, they were all
    wiped out by asteroids.




    [*In the UK years ago, 'Bronco' was a brand of hard toilet paper.]

    Saddle sores. Makes sense.

    It doesn't. BRONCO was the trade mark of the British Patent Perforated
    Paper Company Ltd., London, E9 England. Nothing to do with horses.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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