• OT: CERN cuts ties with Russia , will expel hundreds of scientists by D

    From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 21 06:53:16 2024
    CERN cuts ties with Russia, will expel hundreds of scientists by December:
    https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/09/cern-will-expel-hundreds-of-russia-affiliated-scientists-by-december/
    But Geneva-based organization will retain ties with Joint Institute for Nuclear Research.

    So maybe then Russia will get some more usable stuff than ZERN ever did
    CERN will still work as bomb shelters though.

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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Sat Sep 21 17:51:34 2024
    On 21/09/2024 4:53 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    CERN cuts ties with Russia, will expel hundreds of scientists by December:
    https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/09/cern-will-expel-hundreds-of-russia-affiliated-scientists-by-december/
    But Geneva-based organization will retain ties with Joint Institute for Nuclear Research.

    So maybe then Russia will get some more usable stuff than CERN ever did
    CERN will still work as bomb shelters though.

    CERN does fundamental rather than applied research - not a distinction
    that Jan Panteltje has the wit to understand.

    Of course the research that lead to the atomic bomb was just as
    fundamental, and few people expected that it would be of any practical use.

    H.G.Welles did predict the atom bomb, but he got the details wrong - he
    thought that it would be a bomb that "kept on exploding" - in his
    1914 science fiction novel, “The World Set Free”.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to bill.sloman@ieee.org on Sat Sep 21 09:52:45 2024
    On a sunny day (Sat, 21 Sep 2024 17:51:34 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vcltuj$1h8e9$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 21/09/2024 4:53 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    CERN cuts ties with Russia, will expel hundreds of scientists by December: >> https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/09/cern-will-expel-hundreds-of-russia-affiliated-scientists-by-december/
    But Geneva-based organization will retain ties with Joint Institute for Nuclear Research.

    So maybe then Russia will get some more usable stuff than CERN ever did
    CERN will still work as bomb shelters though.

    CERN does fundamental rather than applied research - not a distinction
    that Jan Panteltje has the wit to understand.

    Dear slow-man script
    Please have you creat-tor remove the part that insults every-body
    doing so would improve your status as a humming bean clone.

    Of course the research that lead to the atomic bomb was just as
    fundamental, and few people expected that it would be of any practical use.

    hat did lead to teh a-bomgb was Curie and a room sizd lab
    and some thinking by Enrico Fermi
    The Italien Navigator Has Landed:
    https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/fermi-produces-the-first-nuclear-chain-reaction
    All in small labs to start with

    As to ZERN, WHERE THEY ..

    Interesting is what RT published today:
    https://www.rt.com/russia/604397-russia-destructive-countries-list/

    if you cannot get RT www.rt.com because it is censored by those that control and limit your freedom
    try 89.191.237.192 in your browser or put this in /etc/resolv.conf if you run Linux
    nameserver 8.8.8.8
    nameserver 8.8.4.4

    <start quote>:
    Dissidents from “neoliberal” states can now petition Moscow for residency
    Russia publishes ‘destructive’ countries list
    Moscow has listed 47 countries whose “destructive attitudes” contradict Russian values,
    opening the path to their nationals to seek asylum in Russia if they so choose.
    President Vladimir Putin signed a decree last month allowing foreigners who share Russia’s traditional values
    and disagree with the “neoliberal” agenda pushed by their own governments to apply for residency.

    On Friday, Russian Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin published the list of countries and territories that
    “implement policies that impose destructive neoliberal ideological attitudes contradicting traditional Russian spiritual and moral values.”
    The list posted on the Russian government portal includes the following countries and territories:
    Australia, Austria, Albania, Andorra, the Bahamas, Belgium, Bulgaria, the UK, Germany, Greece, Denmark, Ireland, Iceland, Spain, Italy,
    Canada, Cyprus, Latvia, Lithuania, Lichtenstein, Luxembourg, Malta, Micronesia, Monaco, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Poland,
    Portugal, South Korea, Romania, San Marino, North Macedonia, Singapore, the US, Taiwan (territory of China), Ukraine, Finland, France,
    Croatia, Montenegro, the Czech Republic, Switzerland, Sweden, Estonia and Japan.
    Notably absent from the list are EU and NATO members Slovakia and Hungary, as well as NATO member Türkiye.
    Most of the designated countries previously made the register of “unfriendly” governments,
    first compiled in the spring of 2021 and updated in 2022. The states on that blacklist are subject to Russian diplomatic and economic
    countermeasures based on their hostile conduct.
    Russia can “offer the world a safe haven for normalcy” by defending traditional values from the “wokeism catastrophe”
    that has come to dominate the collective West,
    RT Editor-in-Chief Margarita Simonyan said on Thursday at the Fourth Eurasian Women’s Forum in St. Petersburg.
    According to Putin’s edict from August, nationals of “destructive neoliberal” countries are eligible to seek temporary residence in Russia
    without having to satisfy the standard immigration requirements, such as national quotas, Russian language proficiency,
    and knowledge of Russian history and laws.
    The plan appears to have originated at a February symposium in Moscow, when Italian student Irene Cecchini presented the idea of “impatriation”
    to the Russian president. Cecchini urged Putin to streamline the immigration and naturalization process for foreigners who shared the “cultural,
    traditional and family values” of Russia, presenting it as a way to help the country overcome a demographic dip.
    You can share this story on social media:
    <end quote>


    So, the rest of ZERN if they are worth anything scientifically, can move to Russia too.

    :-)

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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Sat Sep 21 22:03:02 2024
    On 21/09/2024 7:52 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Sat, 21 Sep 2024 17:51:34 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vcltuj$1h8e9$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 21/09/2024 4:53 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    CERN cuts ties with Russia, will expel hundreds of scientists by December: >>> https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/09/cern-will-expel-hundreds-of-russia-affiliated-scientists-by-december/
    But Geneva-based organization will retain ties with Joint Institute for Nuclear Research.

    So maybe then Russia will get some more usable stuff than CERN ever did
    CERN will still work as bomb shelters though.

    CERN does fundamental rather than applied research - not a distinction
    that Jan Panteltje has the wit to understand.

    Dear slow-man script
    Please have you creat-tor remove the part that insults every-body
    doing so would improve your status as a humming bean clone.

    I don't insult everybody - I just insult ignorant clowns like you, and
    it's incidental to the business of pointing out that they have got stuff
    wrong. If you were a slightly less ignorant clown you'd be aware that
    copying John Larkin's insults isn't a winning strategy.

    Of course the research that lead to the atomic bomb was just as
    fundamental, and few people expected that it would be of any practical use.

    What did lead to the a-bomb was Curie and a room sized lab
    and some thinking by Enrico Fermi.

    That does miss out quite a lot. Lise Meitner was the first to recognise
    that fission was going on.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lise_Meitner

    The Italien Navigator Has Landed:
    https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/fermi-produces-the-first-nuclear-chain-reaction
    All in small labs to start with

    Strictly speaking, Fermi didn't quite get to a self-sustaining chain
    reaction in the University of Chicago squash court - which wasn't a
    small room - though he did get pretty close, and quite close enough to
    justify the next steps.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Pile-1

    <snipped nonsense from Russia Today>

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to bill.sloman@ieee.org on Sat Sep 21 15:30:22 2024
    On a sunny day (Sat, 21 Sep 2024 22:03:02 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vcmcm4$1j9bp$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 21/09/2024 7:52 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Sat, 21 Sep 2024 17:51:34 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman
    <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vcltuj$1h8e9$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 21/09/2024 4:53 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    CERN cuts ties with Russia, will expel hundreds of scientists by December: >>>> https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/09/cern-will-expel-hundreds-of-russia-affiliated-scientists-by-december/
    But Geneva-based organization will retain ties with Joint Institute for Nuclear Research.

    So maybe then Russia will get some more usable stuff than CERN ever did >>>> CERN will still work as bomb shelters though.

    CERN does fundamental rather than applied research - not a distinction
    that Jan Panteltje has the wit to understand.

    Dear slow-man script
    Please have you creat-tor remove the part that insults every-body
    doing so would improve your status as a humming bean clone.

    I don't insult everybody - I just insult ignorant clowns like you, and
    it's incidental to the business of pointing out that they have got stuff >wrong. If you were a slightly less ignorant clown you'd be aware that
    copying John Larkin's insults isn't a winning strategy.

    Of course the research that lead to the atomic bomb was just as
    fundamental, and few people expected that it would be of any practical use. >>
    What did lead to the a-bomb was Curie and a room sized lab
    and some thinking by Enrico Fermi.

    That does miss out quite a lot. Lise Meitner was the first to recognise
    that fission was going on.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lise_Meitner

    Some read, lots of politics..
    The fishicks is interesting though.




    The Italien Navigator Has Landed:
    https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/fermi-produces-the-first-nuclear-chain-reaction
    All in small labs to start with

    Strictly speaking, Fermi didn't quite get to a self-sustaining chain
    reaction in the University of Chicago squash court - which wasn't a
    small room - though he did get pretty close, and quite close enough to >justify the next steps.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Pile-1

    <snipped nonsense from Russia Today>

    He who does not want to see is effectively blind.
    That also goes for bots of course :-)

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  • From john larkin@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 21 08:44:01 2024
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 06:53:16 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    CERN cuts ties with Russia, will expel hundreds of scientists by December:
    https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/09/cern-will-expel-hundreds-of-russia-affiliated-scientists-by-december/
    But Geneva-based organization will retain ties with Joint Institute for Nuclear Research.

    So maybe then Russia will get some more usable stuff than ZERN ever did
    CERN will still work as bomb shelters though.

    Maybe they can sell the tunnels to Hamas.

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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Sun Sep 22 02:11:16 2024
    On 22/09/2024 1:30 am, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Sat, 21 Sep 2024 22:03:02 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vcmcm4$1j9bp$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 21/09/2024 7:52 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Sat, 21 Sep 2024 17:51:34 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman >>> <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vcltuj$1h8e9$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 21/09/2024 4:53 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    <snip>

    <snipped nonsense from Russia Today>

    He who does not want to see is effectively blind.
    That also goes for bots of course :-)

    Looking at Russia Today is wasting time that could be used to look at
    something more informative than what Putin wants you to think.

    You are effectively blind to the information he doesn't want to you to see.

    You do need to be more selective about where you get your information.

    John Larkin gets all his information about climate change from the
    propaganda put out by the people who want to keep up digging up fossil
    carbon and selling it for fuel. It's not the most reliable information available, but he feels insulted when it is pointed out that this makes
    him a gullible sucker.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to john larkin on Sun Sep 22 02:26:17 2024
    On 22/09/2024 1:44 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 06:53:16 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    CERN cuts ties with Russia, will expel hundreds of scientists by December: >> https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/09/cern-will-expel-hundreds-of-russia-affiliated-scientists-by-december/
    But Geneva-based organization will retain ties with Joint Institute for Nuclear Research.

    So maybe then Russia will get some more usable stuff than ZERN ever did
    CERN will still work as bomb shelters though.

    Maybe they can sell the tunnels to Hamas.

    Tunnels in Switzerland wouldn't be all that useful to Hamas, and those particular tunnels are very heavily instrumented - Israel could probably
    tap the data stream and work out exactly when and where Hamas was
    planning to pop out and work some mischief (not that they work much
    mischief in Switzerland).

    Tom Holt invented the portable door

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Portable_Door

    and perhaps John Larkin thinks that CERN exploited the same technology
    to create its tunnel.

    He certainly soaks up all the fiction published by the climate change
    denial propaganda machine.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Jeroen Belleman@21:1/5 to john larkin on Sat Sep 21 19:14:28 2024
    On 9/21/24 17:44, john larkin wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 06:53:16 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    CERN cuts ties with Russia, will expel hundreds of scientists by December: >> https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/09/cern-will-expel-hundreds-of-russia-affiliated-scientists-by-december/
    But Geneva-based organization will retain ties with Joint Institute for Nuclear Research.

    So maybe then Russia will get some more usable stuff than ZERN ever did
    CERN will still work as bomb shelters though.

    Maybe they can sell the tunnels to Hamas.


    There's the little issue of transport.

    Jeroen Bellenab

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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 22 08:43:07 2024
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 15:30:22 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    On a sunny day (Sat, 21 Sep 2024 22:03:02 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman ><bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vcmcm4$1j9bp$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 21/09/2024 7:52 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Sat, 21 Sep 2024 17:51:34 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman >>> <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vcltuj$1h8e9$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 21/09/2024 4:53 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    CERN cuts ties with Russia, will expel hundreds of scientists by December:
    https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/09/cern-will-expel-hundreds-of-russia-affiliated-scientists-by-december/
    But Geneva-based organization will retain ties with Joint Institute for Nuclear Research.

    So maybe then Russia will get some more usable stuff than CERN ever did >>>>> CERN will still work as bomb shelters though.

    CERN does fundamental rather than applied research - not a distinction >>>> that Jan Panteltje has the wit to understand.

    Dear slow-man script
    Please have you creat-tor remove the part that insults every-body
    doing so would improve your status as a humming bean clone.

    I don't insult everybody - I just insult ignorant clowns like you, and
    it's incidental to the business of pointing out that they have got stuff >>wrong. If you were a slightly less ignorant clown you'd be aware that >>copying John Larkin's insults isn't a winning strategy.

    Of course the research that lead to the atomic bomb was just as
    fundamental, and few people expected that it would be of any practical use.

    What did lead to the a-bomb was Curie and a room sized lab
    and some thinking by Enrico Fermi.

    That does miss out quite a lot. Lise Meitner was the first to recognise >>that fission was going on.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lise_Meitner

    Some read, lots of politics..
    The fishicks is interesting though.




    The Italien Navigator Has Landed:
    https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/fermi-produces-the-first-nuclear-chain-reaction
    All in small labs to start with

    Strictly speaking, Fermi didn't quite get to a self-sustaining chain >>reaction in the University of Chicago squash court - which wasn't a
    small room - though he did get pretty close, and quite close enough to >>justify the next steps.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Pile-1

    <snipped nonsense from Russia Today>

    He who does not want to see is effectively blind.
    That also goes for bots of course :-)

    Bill prefers sources like Wikipedia, which any damn fool can edit -
    and plenty have.

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to bill.sloman@ieee.org on Sun Sep 22 08:44:25 2024
    On a sunny day (Sun, 22 Sep 2024 02:11:16 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vcmr74$1le28$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 22/09/2024 1:30 am, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Sat, 21 Sep 2024 22:03:02 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman
    <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vcmcm4$1j9bp$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 21/09/2024 7:52 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Sat, 21 Sep 2024 17:51:34 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman >>>> <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vcltuj$1h8e9$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 21/09/2024 4:53 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    <snip>

    <snipped nonsense from Russia Today>

    He who does not want to see is effectively blind.
    That also goes for bots of course :-)

    Looking at Russia Today is wasting time that could be used to look at >something more informative than what Putin wants you to think.

    Well I read it on a daily basis, as I do seeanant and beepbeepsee
    There is more on satellite abou the world, many places... some transmit in English
    In my days in broadcasting here in the Netherlands we had times were some of the guys wanted to cut
    the transmission becasue it was too much right wing in their opinion,
    I resisted that.
    Now we are moving even more right wing here I think.
    Free speech, especially presenting facts, is for the YouAsh military complex tax money stealing club a danger, wars must go on for those criminals.
    Just now Al Jazeera was invaded in the west bank and the journalist told to close down and take their cameras and leave:
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/sep/22/al-jazeera-office-west-bank-raid-israeli-forces-media
    All because they reported about the thousands of little Palestinian (and now also Libanese) kids israhel killed in their genocide?

    Imagine Iran did anything like that YouAshAAA would nuke and invade it, seems to be the game anyways, provoke Iran..



    You are effectively blind to the information he doesn't want to you to see.

    You do need to be more selective about where you get your information.

    John Larkin gets all his information about climate change from the
    propaganda put out by the people who want to keep up digging up fossil
    carbon and selling it for fuel. It's not the most reliable information >available, but he feels insulted when it is pointed out that this makes
    him a gullible sucker.

    Climate change, well your programmer[s] need to read up
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/09/240919174739.htm
    Over nearly half a billion years, Earth's global temperature has changed drastically, driven by carbon dioxide

    could not get the paper and graphs...
    scare mongering works to increase sales of snake oil and 'lectric cars.

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to JL@gct.com on Sun Sep 22 08:43:06 2024
    On a sunny day (Sat, 21 Sep 2024 08:44:01 -0700) it happened john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote in <7cqtejdkr7p63bm9uvon7g6vf5h4n7vtks@4ax.com>:

    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 06:53:16 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    CERN cuts ties with Russia, will expel hundreds of scientists by December:
    https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/09/cern-will-expel-hundreds-of-russia-affiliated-scientists-by-december/
    But Geneva-based organization will retain ties with Joint Institute for Nuclear Research.

    So maybe then Russia will get some more usable stuff than ZERN ever did >>CERN will still work as bomb shelters though.

    Maybe they can sell the tunnels to Hamas.

    Yes too small for all of israhel!

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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Sun Sep 22 20:30:22 2024
    On 22/09/2024 6:44 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Sun, 22 Sep 2024 02:11:16 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vcmr74$1le28$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 22/09/2024 1:30 am, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Sat, 21 Sep 2024 22:03:02 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman >>> <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vcmcm4$1j9bp$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 21/09/2024 7:52 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Sat, 21 Sep 2024 17:51:34 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman >>>>> <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vcltuj$1h8e9$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 21/09/2024 4:53 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    <snip>

    <snipped nonsense from Russia Today>

    He who does not want to see is effectively blind.
    That also goes for bots of course :-)

    Looking at Russia Today is wasting time that could be used to look at
    something more informative than what Putin wants you to think.

    Well I read it on a daily basis, as I do seeanant and beepbeepsee
    There is more on satellite abou the world, many places... some transmit in English
    In my days in broadcasting here in the Netherlands we had times were some of the guys wanted to cut
    the transmission becasue it was too much right wing in their opinion,
    I resisted that.
    Now we are moving even more right wing here I think.
    Free speech, especially presenting facts, is for the YouAsh military complex tax money stealing club a danger, wars must go on for those criminals.
    Just now Al Jazeera was invaded in the west bank and the journalist told to close down and take their cameras and leave:
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/sep/22/al-jazeera-office-west-bank-raid-israeli-forces-media
    All because they reported about the thousands of little Palestinian (and now also Libanese) kids israhel killed in their genocide?

    Imagine Iran did anything like that YouAshAAA would nuke and invade it, seems to be the game anyways, provoke Iran..



    You are effectively blind to the information he doesn't want to you to see. >>
    You do need to be more selective about where you get your information.

    John Larkin gets all his information about climate change from the
    propaganda put out by the people who want to keep up digging up fossil
    carbon and selling it for fuel. It's not the most reliable information
    available, but he feels insulted when it is pointed out that this makes
    him a gullible sucker.

    Climate change, well your programmer[s] need to read up
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/09/240919174739.htm
    Over nearly half a billion years, Earth's global temperature has changed drastically, driven by carbon dioxide

    Which is not what John Larkin's snake oil salesmen are telling him. In
    fact that paper explicitly repeats the scientific concensus on global
    warming, thopugh you don't seem to have read it carefully enough to notice.

    could not get the paper and graphs...
    scare mongering works to increase sales of snake oil and 'lectric cars.

    That's what John Larkin's snake oil salesmen are telling him. More
    reliable sources see it differently.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Sun Sep 22 20:37:43 2024
    On 22/09/2024 5:43 pm, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 15:30:22 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    On a sunny day (Sat, 21 Sep 2024 22:03:02 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman
    <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vcmcm4$1j9bp$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 21/09/2024 7:52 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Sat, 21 Sep 2024 17:51:34 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman >>>> <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vcltuj$1h8e9$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 21/09/2024 4:53 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    CERN cuts ties with Russia, will expel hundreds of scientists by December:
    https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/09/cern-will-expel-hundreds-of-russia-affiliated-scientists-by-december/
    But Geneva-based organization will retain ties with Joint Institute for Nuclear Research.

    So maybe then Russia will get some more usable stuff than CERN ever did >>>>>> CERN will still work as bomb shelters though.

    CERN does fundamental rather than applied research - not a distinction >>>>> that Jan Panteltje has the wit to understand.

    Dear slow-man script
    Please have you creat-tor remove the part that insults every-body
    doing so would improve your status as a humming bean clone.

    I don't insult everybody - I just insult ignorant clowns like you, and
    it's incidental to the business of pointing out that they have got stuff >>> wrong. If you were a slightly less ignorant clown you'd be aware that
    copying John Larkin's insults isn't a winning strategy.

    Of course the research that lead to the atomic bomb was just as
    fundamental, and few people expected that it would be of any practical use.

    What did lead to the a-bomb was Curie and a room sized lab
    and some thinking by Enrico Fermi.

    That does miss out quite a lot. Lise Meitner was the first to recognise
    that fission was going on.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lise_Meitner

    Some read, lots of politics..
    The fishicks is interesting though.




    The Italien Navigator Has Landed:
    https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/fermi-produces-the-first-nuclear-chain-reaction
    All in small labs to start with

    Strictly speaking, Fermi didn't quite get to a self-sustaining chain
    reaction in the University of Chicago squash court - which wasn't a
    small room - though he did get pretty close, and quite close enough to
    justify the next steps.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Pile-1

    <snipped nonsense from Russia Today>

    He who does not want to see is effectively blind.
    That also goes for bots of course :-)

    Bill prefers sources like Wikipedia, which any damn fool can edit -
    and plenty have.

    I do cite Wikipedia a lot, but I do read what I cite before I cite it,
    and if it doesn't line up with all the other stuff I've read I don't
    cite it.

    Any damn fool can try to edit a Wikipedia entry, but they have to add
    something useful before the editorial process will let it get through to
    the universally accessible version.

    Cursitor Doom does like his nonsense to be thoroughly implausible, and Wikipedia doesn't deliver that.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to bill.sloman@ieee.org on Sun Sep 22 12:34:40 2024
    On a sunny day (Sun, 22 Sep 2024 20:30:22 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vcork0$2619n$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 22/09/2024 6:44 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Sun, 22 Sep 2024 02:11:16 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman
    <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vcmr74$1le28$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 22/09/2024 1:30 am, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Sat, 21 Sep 2024 22:03:02 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman >>>> <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vcmcm4$1j9bp$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 21/09/2024 7:52 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Sat, 21 Sep 2024 17:51:34 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman >>>>>> <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vcltuj$1h8e9$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 21/09/2024 4:53 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    <snip>

    <snipped nonsense from Russia Today>

    He who does not want to see is effectively blind.
    That also goes for bots of course :-)

    Looking at Russia Today is wasting time that could be used to look at
    something more informative than what Putin wants you to think.

    Well I read it on a daily basis, as I do seeanant and beepbeepsee
    There is more on satellite abou the world, many places... some transmit in English
    In my days in broadcasting here in the Netherlands we had times were some of the guys wanted to cut
    the transmission becasue it was too much right wing in their opinion,
    I resisted that.
    Now we are moving even more right wing here I think.
    Free speech, especially presenting facts, is for the YouAsh military complex tax money stealing club a danger, wars must go
    on for those criminals.
    Just now Al Jazeera was invaded in the west bank and the journalist told to close down and take their cameras and leave:
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/sep/22/al-jazeera-office-west-bank-raid-israeli-forces-media
    All because they reported about the thousands of little Palestinian (and now also Libanese) kids israhel killed in their
    genocide?

    Imagine Iran did anything like that YouAshAAA would nuke and invade it, seems to be the game anyways, provoke Iran..



    You are effectively blind to the information he doesn't want to you to see. >>>
    You do need to be more selective about where you get your information.

    John Larkin gets all his information about climate change from the
    propaganda put out by the people who want to keep up digging up fossil
    carbon and selling it for fuel. It's not the most reliable information
    available, but he feels insulted when it is pointed out that this makes
    him a gullible sucker.

    Climate change, well your programmer[s] need to read up
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/09/240919174739.htm
    Over nearly half a billion years, Earth's global temperature has changed drastically, driven by carbon dioxide

    Which is not what John Larkin's snake oil salesmen are telling him. In
    fact that paper explicitly repeats the scientific concensus on global >warming, thopugh you don't seem to have read it carefully enough to notice.

    could not get the paper and graphs...
    scare mongering works to increase sales of snake oil and 'lectric cars.

    That's what John Larkin's snake oil salesmen are telling him. More
    reliable sources see it differently.

    My understanding of what the paper was about is that the temperature changes wereMUCH higher than we so far knew about, that CO@ CORRELATED␣with thsoe chanes
    If you look up old graphics you will see that at times CO2 was laggiong and thne at teh same time
    changing as the temperature rise, not _leading_.

    Once everybody moves electric (so to speak) and one big solar storm
    kills all the overhead HV cables, or other mishaps, then
    no rescue work is possible, no security services, no power generation.
    no communication, etc etc..
    We need DIVERSITY in power ,solar wind needs storage too,
    big storm and solar planes fly away, same for windmills,
    this has already happened in places.
    Good old coal, nuclear plants will be hit in wars, the idiot greens that did shut down
    all nuclear power out of fear, will do more harm .
    All move into grass hutd and wigwams, and demonrat govs will allow
    men-eating as they now do same sex stuff, the species will vanish like the Dinos
    did..
    Ants may take over, and one day a clever ant-archeologist will decypher your bak-sandals and
    all may happen again.
    Species looking a bit different...

    ...



    Bill Sloman, Sydney




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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Mon Sep 23 00:15:36 2024
    On 22/09/2024 10:34 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Sun, 22 Sep 2024 20:30:22 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vcork0$2619n$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 22/09/2024 6:44 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Sun, 22 Sep 2024 02:11:16 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman >>> <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vcmr74$1le28$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 22/09/2024 1:30 am, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Sat, 21 Sep 2024 22:03:02 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman >>>>> <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vcmcm4$1j9bp$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 21/09/2024 7:52 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Sat, 21 Sep 2024 17:51:34 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman
    <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vcltuj$1h8e9$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 21/09/2024 4:53 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    <snip>

    You are effectively blind to the information he doesn't want to you to see.

    You do need to be more selective about where you get your information. >>>>
    John Larkin gets all his information about climate change from the
    propaganda put out by the people who want to keep up digging up fossil >>>> carbon and selling it for fuel. It's not the most reliable information >>>> available, but he feels insulted when it is pointed out that this makes >>>> him a gullible sucker.

    Climate change, well your programmer[s] need to read up
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/09/240919174739.htm
    Over nearly half a billion years, Earth's global temperature has changed drastically, driven by carbon dioxide

    Which is not what John Larkin's snake oil salesmen are telling him. In
    fact that paper explicitly repeats the scientific concensus on global
    warming, though you don't seem to have read it carefully enough to notice. >>
    could not get the paper and graphs...
    scare mongering works to increase sales of snake oil and 'lectric cars.

    That's what John Larkin's snake oil salesmen are telling him. More
    reliable sources see it differently.

    My understanding of what the paper was about is that the temperature changes were MUCH higher than we so far knew about, that CO2 CORRELATED␣with those changes.

    Not all that much higher. And everybody expects atmospheric CO2 levels
    to correlate with the surface temperature of the planet. Your
    understanding of the paper seems to be somewhere between superficial and non-existent.

    If you look up old graphics you will see that at times CO2 was laggiong and then at the same time
    changing as the temperature rise, not _leading_.

    Idiot. When climate change is driven by the Milankovitch effect, CO2
    levels lag temperature. When it was driven by methane release, as in the Paleocene-Eocene warm period, some 55 million years ago, they lead
    temperature. Do try to get your head around what actually happened, and
    why it was happening.

    Once everybody moves electric (so to speak) and one big solar storm
    kills all the overhead HV cables, or other mishaps, then
    no rescue work is possible, no security services, no power generation.
    no communication, etc etc..

    Why would a big solar storm kill all the over-head cables? The 1859
    solar storm messed up 1859 telegraph cables, but modern power cables are
    rather better protected.

    We need DIVERSITY in power ,solar wind needs storage too,
    big storm and solar planes fly away, same for windmills,
    this has already happened in places.

    No all that many of them, and not all that often.

    Good old coal, nuclear plants will be hit in wars, the idiot greens that did shut down
    all nuclear power out of fear, will do more harm.

    The objection to nuclear power is more that it has turned out to be
    remarkably expensive. The fact that you have to keep the radioactive
    waste from nuclear plants safely isolated for some 100,000 years is a
    problem, and one that we have yet to solve in the seventy-odd years we
    have been generating the stuff. You aren't frightened by nuclear power
    because you haven't got a clue about the risks involved.

    All move into grass huts and wigwams, and democrat govs will allow
    men-eating as they now do same sex stuff, the species will vanish like the Dinos
    did..

    The grass huts and wigwams are features of climate change denial
    propaganda - it is aimed at half-wits so they don't bother making it all
    that plausible.

    Ants may take over, and one day a clever ant-archeologist will decipher your bak-sandals and
    all may happen again.

    Baxandall's class-D oscillator doesn't take much deciphering, and it has
    got nothing to do with climate change.

    Species looking a bit different...

    Gibbering idiots like you can still communicate and pass for human. You
    don't really pass the Turing test

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to snake oil salesman on Mon Sep 23 08:06:42 2024
    On a sunny day (Mon, 23 Sep 2024 00:15:36 +1000) it happened
    Bill slowman, snake oil salesman wrote

    You aren't frightened by nuclear power
    because you haven't got a clue about the risks involved.

    The link you gave to that nuclear stuff did surprise me because that women got 86 years old while having worked
    in those radioactive polluted labs much of here career.
    Do you even READ stuff you babble about?

    Life in the Chernobyl area is flourishing
    mostly because there are no humming beans to kill it.

    As to glow-ball worming
    https://www.rt.com/africa/604463-south-africa-heavy-snowfall/
    South Africa hit by surprise snowfall (PHOTOS, VIDEOS)
    Harsh weather has left hundreds stranded on the highway, with one woman dying from hypothermia, local officials have said
    I am sure???? you can figure out how to view that link.

    You seem so upset these days, I know life as a bot may be hard, but no worry the next demonrat government will make bots equal to humming beans, in 'merrica that is,
    so apply for a YouAsh visa now :-)

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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Mon Sep 23 22:43:16 2024
    On 23/09/2024 6:06 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Mon, 23 Sep 2024 00:15:36 +1000) it happened
    Bill Sloman, wrote

    You aren't frightened by nuclear power
    because you haven't got a clue about the risks involved.

    The link you gave to that nuclear stuff did surprise me because that women got 86 years old while having worked
    in those radioactive polluted labs much of here career.
    Do you even READ stuff you babble about?

    Do you ever think about the claims you make? She was actually well known
    for insisting on taking the kinds of precautions that made them less
    polluted, and a lot less dangerous.

    Life in the Chernobyl area is flourishing
    mostly because there are no human beings to kill it.

    But it isn't all that fertile - lots of the animals conceived don't get
    born alive, and the survivors have rather odd genomes.

    As to glow-ball worming
    https://www.rt.com/africa/604463-south-africa-heavy-snowfall/
    South Africa hit by surprise snowfall (PHOTOS, VIDEOS)
    Harsh weather has left hundreds stranded on the highway, with one woman dying from hypothermia, local officials have said
    I am sure???? you can figure out how to view that link.

    Global warming is also called climate change. The first effect of a
    warmer surface temperature is that the ocean surface evaporates more
    water, putting more energy into the bottom of the atmosphere, where it
    makes more energetic weather. More snow storm, rather than fewer.

    You seem so upset these days, I know life as a bot may be hard, but no worry the next democrat government will make bots equal to human beings, in 'merrica that is,
    so apply for a YouAsh visa now :-)

    You and John Larkin have some odd ideas - no sane human would take
    either of you seriously. I'm bored enough to waste time pointing out
    some of your short-comings but that is a human fault.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From john larkin@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 23 07:18:35 2024
    On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 08:06:42 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    On a sunny day (Mon, 23 Sep 2024 00:15:36 +1000) it happened
    Bill slowman, snake oil salesman wrote

    You aren't frightened by nuclear power
    because you haven't got a clue about the risks involved.

    The link you gave to that nuclear stuff did surprise me because that women got 86 years old while having worked
    in those radioactive polluted labs much of here career.
    Do you even READ stuff you babble about?

    Life in the Chernobyl area is flourishing
    mostly because there are no humming beans to kill it.

    As to glow-ball worming
    https://www.rt.com/africa/604463-south-africa-heavy-snowfall/
    South Africa hit by surprise snowfall (PHOTOS, VIDEOS)
    Harsh weather has left hundreds stranded on the highway, with one woman dying from hypothermia, local officials have said
    I am sure???? you can figure out how to view that link.

    You seem so upset these days, I know life as a bot may be hard, but no worry >the next demonrat government will make bots equal to humming beans, in 'merrica that is,
    so apply for a YouAsh visa now :-)

    Fear makes people stop thinking, stop estimating risk realistically,
    stop ignoring facts.

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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to john larkin on Tue Sep 24 13:10:17 2024
    On 24/09/2024 12:18 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 08:06:42 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    On a sunny day (Mon, 23 Sep 2024 00:15:36 +1000) it happened
    Bill slowman, snake oil salesman wrote

    You aren't frightened by nuclear power
    because you haven't got a clue about the risks involved.

    The link you gave to that nuclear stuff did surprise me because that women got 86 years old while having worked
    in those radioactive polluted labs much of here career.
    Do you even READ stuff you babble about?

    Life in the Chernobyl area is flourishing
    mostly because there are no humming beans to kill it.

    As to glow-ball worming
    https://www.rt.com/africa/604463-south-africa-heavy-snowfall/
    South Africa hit by surprise snowfall (PHOTOS, VIDEOS)
    Harsh weather has left hundreds stranded on the highway, with one woman dying from hypothermia, local officials have said
    I am sure???? you can figure out how to view that link.

    You seem so upset these days, I know life as a bot may be hard, but no worry >> the next demonrat government will make bots equal to humming beans, in 'merrica that is,
    so apply for a YouAsh visa now :-)

    Fear makes people stop thinking, stop estimating risk realistically,
    stop ignoring facts.

    John Larkin is afraid of being shown up as the ignorant twit he is, so
    he does ignore this inconvenient fact, thus advertising it widely.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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