Electric vehicle battery fires - what to know and how to react
It's very rare, but lithium-ion batteries in electric vehicles can catch fire.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/08/electric-vehicle-battery-fires-what-t o-know-and-how-to-react/
Good to know how to react when you electric car is on fire...
Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
Electric vehicle battery fires - what to know and how to react
It's very rare, but lithium-ion batteries in electric vehicles can catch fire.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/08/electric-vehicle-battery-fires-what-t >> o-know-and-how-to-react/
Good to know how to react when you electric car is on fire...
So sales of fire extinguishers will plummet as there is no point in
carrying one.
On a sunny day (Sun, 25 Aug 2024 09:54:36 +0100) it happened >liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) wrote in ><1qyubga.1kavnyx1f0m91cN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>:
Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
Electric vehicle battery fires - what to know and how to react
It's very rare, but lithium-ion batteries in electric vehicles can catch fire.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/08/electric-vehicle-battery-fires-what-t >>> o-know-and-how-to-react/
Good to know how to react when you electric car is on fire...
So sales of fire extinguishers will plummet as there is no point in >>carrying one.
I do not even have one, but to get out of the upstairs bedroom here I have a rope ready...
Downstairs a 250 Ah lipo battery pack, those are supposed to not ignite
I have no 'lectric' car (yet?)
My bike will be OK...
Lots of Lipo batteries around the house, drone, radios, all sorts of stuff.
Storms here, maybe I should get a wind powered generator
may need a building permit ....
On a sunny day (Sun, 25 Aug 2024 09:54:36 +0100) it happened >liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) wrote in ><1qyubga.1kavnyx1f0m91cN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>:
Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
Electric vehicle battery fires - what to know and how to react
It's very rare, but lithium-ion batteries in electric vehicles can catch fire.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/08/electric-vehicle-battery-fires-what-t >>> o-know-and-how-to-react/
Good to know how to react when you electric car is on fire...
So sales of fire extinguishers will plummet as there is no point in >>carrying one.
I do not even have one, but to get out of the upstairs bedroom here I have a rope ready...
Downstairs a 250 Ah lipo battery pack, those are supposed to not ignite
I have no 'lectric' car (yet?)
My bike will be OK...
Lots of Lipo batteries around the house, drone, radios, all sorts of stuff.
Storms here, maybe I should get a wind powered generator
may need a building permit ....
Solar panels I have, some flexible ones too for on a boat.
I have never had a phone on fire....
ALL modern cell phones use LiPo pocket cells.
On Sun, 25 Aug 2024 11:42:25 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 25 Aug 2024 09:54:36 +0100) it happened >>liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) wrote in >><1qyubga.1kavnyx1f0m91cN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>:
Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
Electric vehicle battery fires - what to know and how to react
It's very rare, but lithium-ion batteries in electric vehicles can catch fire.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/08/electric-vehicle-battery-fires-what-t >>>> o-know-and-how-to-react/
Good to know how to react when you electric car is on fire...
So sales of fire extinguishers will plummet as there is no point in >>>carrying one.
I do not even have one, but to get out of the upstairs bedroom here I have a rope ready...
Downstairs a 250 Ah lipo battery pack, those are supposed to not ignite
I have no 'lectric' car (yet?)
My bike will be OK...
Lots of Lipo batteries around the house, drone, radios, all sorts of stuff.
ALL modern cell phones use LiPo pocket cells. If your cell phone has
a shoulder strap and is quite heavy, it might be Lithium-Ion. However,
if your cell phone battery is small, flat, and cannot be removed, it's
a LiPo pocket cell. Same with a variety of battery powered
rechargeable devices (Bluetooth speakers, recent rechargeable TV
remote controls, drones, RC toys, walkie-talkies, COB-LED flashlights,
etc).
"10 Dangerous Lipo Battery Mistakes - Fire and explosion causes" ><https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrlLe6PRhyo>
Good advice.
Storms here, maybe I should get a wind powered generator
may need a building permit ....
Wind turbine generators usually have a means of "feathering" the
turbine blades to prevent spinning to fast. The last thing you want a >turbine to do is free-wheel above its maximum RPM rating and launch a
blade through your roof.
Solar panels I have, some flexible ones too for on a boat.
I have never had a phone on fire....
No phone fires, but we had a dumpster fire at my former office that
was started by a cell phone "battery bank". This was an early model
that used Li-Ion cylindrical cells (not LiPo). There have also been
three(?) eBike fires, which also use Li-Ion cylindrical cells with the
added bonus of a home made battery packs and chargers. I'm not
including the local idiot who decided that only save way to dispose of
a cordless tool battery pack was by first drilling holes in it.
For your amusement, this is a clone Ryobi OP4060 cordless tool battery >purchased on eBay(?):
<https://photos.app.goo.gl/S35ScvADzdoM22gFA>
Notice that it use two different (mismatched) Li-Ion cell types, the >thermistor is not glued to a cell, one of the FETs melted, and the
"fuse" didn't blow.
I inherited three of these from a customer after
he replaced them with OEM batteries. There was no fire. I could
repair the packs, but instead, I'll probably scavenge the cells and
use them something else such as flashlights.
According to what I've read, the danger comes from the vapors produced
by overheated electrolyte. The most common type is a Lithium salt and
an organic solvent mixture. I would expect that some of this vapor
might be detectable by a hydrocarbon gas detector such as a VoC
(volatile organic compound) gas detector. ><https://www.google.com/search?q=voc+gas+detector&udm=2>
I haven't done anything with this idea yet, but it's on my "yet
another project" list.
On Sun, 25 Aug 2024 11:42:25 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 25 Aug 2024 09:54:36 +0100) it happened >>liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) wrote in >><1qyubga.1kavnyx1f0m91cN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>:
Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
Electric vehicle battery fires - what to know and how to react
It's very rare, but lithium-ion batteries in electric vehicles can catch fire.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/08/electric-vehicle-battery-fires-what-t >>>> o-know-and-how-to-react/
Good to know how to react when you electric car is on fire...
So sales of fire extinguishers will plummet as there is no point in >>>carrying one.
I do not even have one, but to get out of the upstairs bedroom here I have a rope ready...
We have a built-in ladder that accesses our flat roof from the bedroom
deck. After that, we could walk almost the entire block on peoples'
roofs.
Downstairs a 250 Ah lipo battery pack, those are supposed to not ignite
I have no 'lectric' car (yet?)
My bike will be OK...
Lots of Lipo batteries around the house, drone, radios, all sorts of stuff. >>
Storms here, maybe I should get a wind powered generator
may need a building permit ....
Does residential wind power make any sense?
On 8/25/2024 6:42 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 25 Aug 2024 09:54:36 +0100) it happened
liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) wrote in
<1qyubga.1kavnyx1f0m91cN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>:
Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
Electric vehicle battery fires - what to know and how to react
It's very rare, but lithium-ion batteries in electric vehicles can catch fire.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/08/electric-vehicle-battery-fires-what-t >>>> o-know-and-how-to-react/
Good to know how to react when you electric car is on fire...
So sales of fire extinguishers will plummet as there is no point in
carrying one.
I do not even have one, but to get out of the upstairs bedroom here I have a rope ready...
Downstairs a 250 Ah lipo battery pack, those are supposed to not ignite
I have no 'lectric' car (yet?)
My bike will be OK...
Lots of Lipo batteries around the house, drone, radios, all sorts of stuff. >>
Storms here, maybe I should get a wind powered generator
may need a building permit ....
Solar panels I have, some flexible ones too for on a boat.
I have never had a phone on fire....
Recently I saw a video of a dog chewing on a battery pack.
He was very startled when it caught fire and set the rug on
fire.
So don't let your devices lie around when your pets can
reach them.
On Sun, 25 Aug 2024 11:42:25 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 25 Aug 2024 09:54:36 +0100) it happened
liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) wrote in
<1qyubga.1kavnyx1f0m91cN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>:
Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
Electric vehicle battery fires - what to know and how to react
It's very rare, but lithium-ion batteries in electric vehicles can catch fire.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/08/electric-vehicle-battery-fires-what-t >>>> o-know-and-how-to-react/
Good to know how to react when you electric car is on fire...
So sales of fire extinguishers will plummet as there is no point in
carrying one.
I do not even have one, but to get out of the upstairs bedroom here I have a rope ready...
We have a built-in ladder that accesses our flat roof from the bedroom
deck. After that, we could walk almost the entire block on peoples'
roofs.
Downstairs a 250 Ah lipo battery pack, those are supposed to not ignite
I have no 'lectric' car (yet?)
My bike will be OK...
Lots of Lipo batteries around the house, drone, radios, all sorts of stuff. >>
Storms here, maybe I should get a wind powered generator
may need a building permit ....
Does residential wind power make any sense?
From the information these wind turbine sellers provide it looks looks really good - only 35 dB!
On 25/08/2024 16:04, john larkin wrote:
On Sun, 25 Aug 2024 11:42:25 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 25 Aug 2024 09:54:36 +0100) it happened
liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) wrote in
<1qyubga.1kavnyx1f0m91cN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>:
Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
Electric vehicle battery fires - what to know and how to react
It's very rare, but lithium-ion batteries in electric vehicles can catch fire.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/08/electric-vehicle-battery-fires-what-t
o-know-and-how-to-react/
Good to know how to react when you electric car is on fire...
So sales of fire extinguishers will plummet as there is no point in
carrying one.
I do not even have one, but to get out of the upstairs bedroom here I have a rope ready...
We have a built-in ladder that accesses our flat roof from the bedroom
deck. After that, we could walk almost the entire block on peoples'
roofs.
Isn't that also a means of access for the criminal fraternity?
Downstairs a 250 Ah lipo battery pack, those are supposed to not ignite
I have no 'lectric' car (yet?)
My bike will be OK...
Lots of Lipo batteries around the house, drone, radios, all sorts of stuff. >>>
Storms here, maybe I should get a wind powered generator
may need a building permit ....
Does residential wind power make any sense?
Only if you want to annoy your neighbours with a loud whirring noise
when the wind is blowing. Of course, it depends on who you believe, and
who is providing full information. See ><https://tesup.com/uk/blogs/post/how-loud-are-household-wind-turbines>
From the information these wind turbine sellers provide it looks looks
really good - only 35 dB!
See the same graph at <https://windexchange.energy.gov/projects/sound>,
and you'll see that states the sound level is the same. BUT it also
notes in the caption under the graph "At 300 meters away, which is the >nearest distance a wind turbine typically is to a building, the sounds >produced by a large wind energy project range from 35–45 decibels..."
So as long as you're 300 metres (1000ft) from the domestic turbine the
sound level shouldn't bother you. How many urban or even suburban areas
do you know where the 300m distance is likely?
--
Jeff
Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:
[...]
From the information these wind turbine sellers provide it looks looks
really good - only 35 dB!
Relative to what?
On 26/08/2024 11:10, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:
[...]
From the information these wind turbine sellers provide it looks looks >> really good - only 35 dB!
Relative to what?
According to the caption in the second link "...35â€"45 decibels when adjusted to correspond to the hearing threshold of the human ear (also
known as A-weighted decibels or dBA)."
Electric vehicle battery fires - what to know and how to react
It's very rare, but lithium-ion batteries in electric vehicles can catch fire.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/08/electric-vehicle-battery-fires-what-to-know-and-how-to-react/
Good to know how to react when you electric car is on fire...
On a sunny day (Sun, 25 Aug 2024 08:32:29 -0500) it happened BillGill ><tonisdad215@gmail.com> wrote in <vafbpe$1t79t$1@dont-email.me>:
On 8/25/2024 6:42 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 25 Aug 2024 09:54:36 +0100) it happened
liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) wrote in
<1qyubga.1kavnyx1f0m91cN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>:
Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
Electric vehicle battery fires - what to know and how to react
It's very rare, but lithium-ion batteries in electric vehicles can catch fire.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/08/electric-vehicle-battery-fires-what-t
o-know-and-how-to-react/
Good to know how to react when you electric car is on fire...
So sales of fire extinguishers will plummet as there is no point in
carrying one.
I do not even have one, but to get out of the upstairs bedroom here I have a rope ready...
Downstairs a 250 Ah lipo battery pack, those are supposed to not ignite
I have no 'lectric' car (yet?)
My bike will be OK...
Lots of Lipo batteries around the house, drone, radios, all sorts of stuff. >>>
Storms here, maybe I should get a wind powered generator
may need a building permit ....
Solar panels I have, some flexible ones too for on a boat.
I have never had a phone on fire....
Recently I saw a video of a dog chewing on a battery pack.
He was very startled when it caught fire and set the rug on
fire.
So don't let your devices lie around when your pets can
reach them.
There is a video online with a guy who enters a shop, puts a battery in his pocket, and his pockest catches fire.
He probably had a pocket knife or something metal in his pocket too, short...
On Sun, 25 Aug 2024 05:16:48 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
Electric vehicle battery fires - what to know and how to react
It's very rare, but lithium-ion batteries in electric vehicles can catch fire.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/08/electric-vehicle-battery-fires-what-to-know-and-how-to-react/
Good to know how to react when you electric car is on fire...
I used to work with a fire alarm company in New Jersey. I designed
next-gen fire systems for high-rise buildings in Manhattan.
They had a sign on the wall that anticipated Lithium batteries:
IN CASE OF FIRE
RUN, YELL "FIRE"
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