• Heating for fusion, Why toast plasma when you can microwave it?

    From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 7 05:27:41 2024
    Heating for fusion: Why toast plasma when you can microwave it!
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/08/240806131216.htm
    Carving a new path forward for compact fusion vessels
    Date:
    August 6, 2024
    Source:
    DOE/Princeton Plasma Physics Laboratory
    Summary:
    Can plasma be sufficiently heated inside a tokamak using only microwaves?
    New research suggests it can! Eliminating the central ohmic heating coil
    normally used in tokamaks will free up much-needed space for a more compact,
    efficient spherical tokamak.

    Bye bye ITER and that otehr fusion attempt mayonaise thing
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/08/240806131357.htm
    Researchers dig deeper into stability challenges of nuclear fusion -- with mayonnaise

    Now all I am waiting for is a 10 year old kid doing a better than break even fusion experiment in its parents kitchen...

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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Thu Aug 8 17:13:36 2024
    On 7/08/2024 3:27 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Heating for fusion: Why toast plasma when you can microwave it!
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/08/240806131216.htm
    Carving a new path forward for compact fusion vessels
    Date:
    August 6, 2024
    Source:
    DOE/Princeton Plasma Physics Laboratory
    Summary:
    Can plasma be sufficiently heated inside a tokamak using only microwaves?
    New research suggests it can! Eliminating the central ohmic heating coil
    normally used in tokamaks will free up much-needed space for a more compact,
    efficient spherical tokamak.

    Not so much carving a new path as looking for one. Maybe be gyrotrons
    can heat the plasma enough, but planing to do experiment which can test
    whether they can isn't exactly carving a new path - more just looking at
    a possible new path.

    Bye bye ITER and that otehr fusion attempt mayonaise thing
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/08/240806131357.htm
    Researchers dig deeper into stability challenges of nuclear fusion -- with mayonnaise

    Now all I am waiting for is a 10 year old kid doing a better than break even fusion experiment in its parents kitchen...

    You may have to wait a long time. Mayonaise may exhibit Rayleigh-Taylor instability, but the lessons it might be able to impart would be
    difficult to translate into totomak design.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney


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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to bill.sloman@ieee.org on Thu Aug 8 10:23:45 2024
    On a sunny day (Thu, 8 Aug 2024 17:13:36 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <v91r78$3pjer$3@dont-email.me>:

    On 7/08/2024 3:27 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Heating for fusion: Why toast plasma when you can microwave it!
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/08/240806131216.htm
    Carving a new path forward for compact fusion vessels
    Date:
    August 6, 2024
    Source:
    DOE/Princeton Plasma Physics Laboratory
    Summary:
    Can plasma be sufficiently heated inside a tokamak using only microwaves? >> New research suggests it can! Eliminating the central ohmic heating coil >> normally used in tokamaks will free up much-needed space for a more compact,
    efficient spherical tokamak.

    Not so much carving a new path as looking for one. Maybe be gyrotrons
    can heat the plasma enough, but planing to do experiment which can test >whether they can isn't exactly carving a new path - more just looking at
    a possible new path.

    Bye bye ITER and that otehr fusion attempt mayonaise thing
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/08/240806131357.htm
    Researchers dig deeper into stability challenges of nuclear fusion -- with mayonnaise

    Now all I am waiting for is a 10 year old kid doing a better than break even fusion experiment in its parents kitchen...

    You may have to wait a long time. Mayonaise may exhibit Rayleigh-Taylor >instability, but the lessons it might be able to impart would be
    difficult to translate into totomak design.

    I like that Farnsworth fusor thing
    They mention the grid gets too hot as a problem.
    Why not use a water filled pipe as grid,
    heat the water to steam, drive a small steam engine
    that drives a generator that drives a HV converter,
    simple electronics, there is a table top experiment.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusor
    so many simple ways to improve that setup!

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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Fri Aug 9 02:18:17 2024
    On 8/08/2024 8:23 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Thu, 8 Aug 2024 17:13:36 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <v91r78$3pjer$3@dont-email.me>:

    On 7/08/2024 3:27 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Heating for fusion: Why toast plasma when you can microwave it!
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/08/240806131216.htm
    Carving a new path forward for compact fusion vessels
    Date:
    August 6, 2024
    Source:
    DOE/Princeton Plasma Physics Laboratory
    Summary:
    Can plasma be sufficiently heated inside a tokamak using only microwaves?
    New research suggests it can! Eliminating the central ohmic heating coil >>> normally used in tokamaks will free up much-needed space for a more compact,
    efficient spherical tokamak.

    Not so much carving a new path as looking for one. Maybe be gyrotrons
    can heat the plasma enough, but planing to do experiment which can test
    whether they can isn't exactly carving a new path - more just looking at
    a possible new path.

    Bye bye ITER and that otehr fusion attempt mayonaise thing
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/08/240806131357.htm
    Researchers dig deeper into stability challenges of nuclear fusion -- with mayonnaise

    Now all I am waiting for is a 10 year old kid doing a better than break even fusion experiment in its parents kitchen...

    You may have to wait a long time. Mayonaise may exhibit Rayleigh-Taylor
    instability, but the lessons it might be able to impart would be
    difficult to translate into totomak design.

    I like that Farnsworth fusor thing

    Of course you do. You are too dim to notice that it can't generate
    enough energy to be a useful energy source - though it can be a handy
    source of neutrons if you need them.

    This spelled out if the link you posted, but clearly didn't read.

    They mention the grid gets too hot as a problem.
    Why not use a water filled pipe as grid,
    heat the water to steam, drive a small steam engine
    that drives a generator that drives a HV converter,
    simple electronics, there is a table top experiment.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusor
    so many simple ways to improve that setup!

    But none are going to make it an energy source.

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to bill.sloman@ieee.org on Fri Aug 9 06:38:37 2024
    On a sunny day (Fri, 9 Aug 2024 02:18:17 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <v92r4h$3fk7$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 8/08/2024 8:23 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Thu, 8 Aug 2024 17:13:36 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman
    <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <v91r78$3pjer$3@dont-email.me>:

    On 7/08/2024 3:27 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Heating for fusion: Why toast plasma when you can microwave it!
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/08/240806131216.htm
    Carving a new path forward for compact fusion vessels
    Date:
    August 6, 2024
    Source:
    DOE/Princeton Plasma Physics Laboratory
    Summary:
    Can plasma be sufficiently heated inside a tokamak using only microwaves?
    New research suggests it can! Eliminating the central ohmic heating coil
    normally used in tokamaks will free up much-needed space for a more compact,
    efficient spherical tokamak.

    Not so much carving a new path as looking for one. Maybe be gyrotrons
    can heat the plasma enough, but planing to do experiment which can test
    whether they can isn't exactly carving a new path - more just looking at >>> a possible new path.

    Bye bye ITER and that otehr fusion attempt mayonaise thing
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/08/240806131357.htm
    Researchers dig deeper into stability challenges of nuclear fusion -- with mayonnaise

    Now all I am waiting for is a 10 year old kid doing a better than break even fusion experiment in its parents kitchen...

    You may have to wait a long time. Mayonaise may exhibit Rayleigh-Taylor
    instability, but the lessons it might be able to impart would be
    difficult to translate into totomak design.

    I like that Farnsworth fusor thing

    Of course you do. You are too dim to notice that it can't generate
    enough energy to be a useful energy source - though it can be a handy
    source of neutrons if you need them.

    This spelled out if the link you posted, but clearly didn't read.

    They mention the grid gets too hot as a problem.
    Why not use a water filled pipe as grid,
    heat the water to steam, drive a small steam engine
    that drives a generator that drives a HV converter,
    simple electronics, there is a table top experiment.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusor
    so many simple ways to improve that setup!

    But none are going to make it an energy source.

    Yea, and planes could never fly as those were heavier than air.
    There are solutions, some are simple.
    I have been posting about that Farnsworth fusor many times, but your amnesia must have gotten to you again.

    What will never produce energy is the large political job creation projects for albert onestone parrots like ITER is.
    Or that laser fusion crap in 'merrica.

    Same for anti-gravity.

    This is fun info too, previous thing you did not graps:
    Carvings at ancient monument may be world's oldest calendars
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/08/240806131238.htm
    comets causing glowball cooling?

    As to solder, when was the last time your front limbs held a sodering iron?

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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Sat Aug 10 01:23:25 2024
    On 9/08/2024 4:38 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Fri, 9 Aug 2024 02:18:17 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <v92r4h$3fk7$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 8/08/2024 8:23 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Thu, 8 Aug 2024 17:13:36 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman
    <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <v91r78$3pjer$3@dont-email.me>:

    On 7/08/2024 3:27 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Heating for fusion: Why toast plasma when you can microwave it!
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/08/240806131216.htm
    Carving a new path forward for compact fusion vessels
    Date:
    August 6, 2024
    Source:
    DOE/Princeton Plasma Physics Laboratory
    Summary:
    Can plasma be sufficiently heated inside a tokamak using only microwaves?
    New research suggests it can! Eliminating the central ohmic heating coil
    normally used in tokamaks will free up much-needed space for a more compact,
    efficient spherical tokamak.

    Not so much carving a new path as looking for one. Maybe be gyrotrons
    can heat the plasma enough, but planing to do experiment which can test >>>> whether they can isn't exactly carving a new path - more just looking at >>>> a possible new path.

    Bye bye ITER and that otehr fusion attempt mayonaise thing
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/08/240806131357.htm
    Researchers dig deeper into stability challenges of nuclear fusion -- with mayonnaise

    Now all I am waiting for is a 10 year old kid doing a better than break even fusion experiment in its parents kitchen...

    You may have to wait a long time. Mayonaise may exhibit Rayleigh-Taylor >>>> instability, but the lessons it might be able to impart would be
    difficult to translate into totomak design.

    I like that Farnsworth fusor thing

    Of course you do. You are too dim to notice that it can't generate
    enough energy to be a useful energy source - though it can be a handy
    source of neutrons if you need them.

    This spelled out if the link you posted, but clearly didn't read.

    They mention the grid gets too hot as a problem.
    Why not use a water filled pipe as grid,
    heat the water to steam, drive a small steam engine
    that drives a generator that drives a HV converter,
    simple electronics, there is a table top experiment.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusor
    so many simple ways to improve that setup!

    But none are going to make it an energy source.

    Yea, and planes could never fly as those were heavier than air.

    The objections to the Farnsworth fusor as a power source are rather more fundamental. Birds fly, and they are heavier than air.

    There are solutions, some are simple.
    I have been posting about that Farnsworth fusor many times, but your amnesia must have gotten to you again.

    You've also be posting about the Le age theory of gravity. I'm well
    aware that you have moronic obsessions, and can't learn how silly they are.

    What will never produce energy is the large political job creation projects for albert onestone parrots like ITER is.
    Or that laser fusion crap in 'merrica.

    The laser driven fusion machine at the NIF has produced energy, if
    nowhere near enough to be useful.

    It's main job was always testing nuclear weapons in a way that didn't
    dump radioactive isotopes into the atmosphere, but you are too dumb to
    have processed that information.

    Same for anti-gravity.

    "Same"?

    This is fun info too, previous thing you did not graps:
    Carvings at ancient monument may be world's oldest calendars
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/08/240806131238.htm
    comets causing global cooling?

    Comets are fluffy snowballs that out-gas when their elliptical orbits
    get close to the sun, so that we can see them in the night sky.

    Meteors are lumps of rock that we notice when they actually hit the
    earth. Big ones, like the asteroid that killed off the dinosaurs, put
    enough dust into the upper atmosphere to cause some global cooling until
    the dust washes out.

    Calenders are all about repetitive stuff in the sky. and repeating
    meteor streams don't dump enough mass to change the climate.

    As to solder, when was the last time your front limbs held a soldering iron?

    About a year ago. An electronic alarm clock stopped working, because one
    of the leads had fallen off. I tried to solder it back on, but the wire
    was too fine to let me do it. I do have some heavier insulated
    multi-strand hook-up wire somewhere around the flat, but I haven't been
    able to find it yet, and I've got two other alarms clocks that still
    work, so I haven't looked that hard.

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  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 9 08:56:44 2024
    On Fri, 09 Aug 2024 06:38:37 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    On a sunny day (Fri, 9 Aug 2024 02:18:17 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman ><bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <v92r4h$3fk7$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 8/08/2024 8:23 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Thu, 8 Aug 2024 17:13:36 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman
    <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <v91r78$3pjer$3@dont-email.me>:

    On 7/08/2024 3:27 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Heating for fusion: Why toast plasma when you can microwave it!
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/08/240806131216.htm
    Carving a new path forward for compact fusion vessels
    Date:
    August 6, 2024
    Source:
    DOE/Princeton Plasma Physics Laboratory
    Summary:
    Can plasma be sufficiently heated inside a tokamak using only microwaves?
    New research suggests it can! Eliminating the central ohmic heating coil
    normally used in tokamaks will free up much-needed space for a more compact,
    efficient spherical tokamak.

    Not so much carving a new path as looking for one. Maybe be gyrotrons
    can heat the plasma enough, but planing to do experiment which can test >>>> whether they can isn't exactly carving a new path - more just looking at >>>> a possible new path.

    Bye bye ITER and that otehr fusion attempt mayonaise thing
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/08/240806131357.htm
    Researchers dig deeper into stability challenges of nuclear fusion -- with mayonnaise

    Now all I am waiting for is a 10 year old kid doing a better than break even fusion experiment in its parents kitchen...

    You may have to wait a long time. Mayonaise may exhibit Rayleigh-Taylor >>>> instability, but the lessons it might be able to impart would be
    difficult to translate into totomak design.

    I like that Farnsworth fusor thing

    Of course you do. You are too dim to notice that it can't generate
    enough energy to be a useful energy source - though it can be a handy >>source of neutrons if you need them.

    This spelled out if the link you posted, but clearly didn't read.

    They mention the grid gets too hot as a problem.
    Why not use a water filled pipe as grid,
    heat the water to steam, drive a small steam engine
    that drives a generator that drives a HV converter,
    simple electronics, there is a table top experiment.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusor
    so many simple ways to improve that setup!

    But none are going to make it an energy source.

    Yea, and planes could never fly as those were heavier than air.
    There are solutions, some are simple.
    I have been posting about that Farnsworth fusor many times, but your amnesia must have gotten to you again.

    What will never produce energy is the large political job creation projects for albert onestone parrots like ITER is.
    Or that laser fusion crap in 'merrica.

    NIF is really about nuclear weapons, but the over-unity energy yield
    is interesting.


    Same for anti-gravity.

    This is fun info too, previous thing you did not graps:
    Carvings at ancient monument may be world's oldest calendars
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/08/240806131238.htm
    comets causing glowball cooling?

    As to solder, when was the last time your front limbs held a sodering iron?

    Good question!

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com on Sat Aug 10 06:01:32 2024
    On a sunny day (Fri, 09 Aug 2024 08:56:44 -0700) it happened John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in <esecbj1vp6cf0v0778gt00kut08div9dsm@4ax.com>:

    On Fri, 09 Aug 2024 06:38:37 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    On a sunny day (Fri, 9 Aug 2024 02:18:17 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman >><bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <v92r4h$3fk7$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 8/08/2024 8:23 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Thu, 8 Aug 2024 17:13:36 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman >>>> <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <v91r78$3pjer$3@dont-email.me>:

    On 7/08/2024 3:27 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Heating for fusion: Why toast plasma when you can microwave it!
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/08/240806131216.htm
    Carving a new path forward for compact fusion vessels
    Date:
    August 6, 2024
    Source:
    DOE/Princeton Plasma Physics Laboratory
    Summary:
    Can plasma be sufficiently heated inside a tokamak using only microwaves?
    New research suggests it can! Eliminating the central ohmic heating coil
    normally used in tokamaks will free up much-needed space for a more compact,
    efficient spherical tokamak.

    Not so much carving a new path as looking for one. Maybe be gyrotrons >>>>> can heat the plasma enough, but planing to do experiment which can test >>>>> whether they can isn't exactly carving a new path - more just looking at >>>>> a possible new path.

    Bye bye ITER and that otehr fusion attempt mayonaise thing
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/08/240806131357.htm
    Researchers dig deeper into stability challenges of nuclear fusion -- with mayonnaise

    Now all I am waiting for is a 10 year old kid doing a better than break even fusion experiment in its parents kitchen...

    You may have to wait a long time. Mayonaise may exhibit Rayleigh-Taylor >>>>> instability, but the lessons it might be able to impart would be
    difficult to translate into totomak design.

    I like that Farnsworth fusor thing

    Of course you do. You are too dim to notice that it can't generate
    enough energy to be a useful energy source - though it can be a handy >>>source of neutrons if you need them.

    This spelled out if the link you posted, but clearly didn't read.

    They mention the grid gets too hot as a problem.
    Why not use a water filled pipe as grid,
    heat the water to steam, drive a small steam engine
    that drives a generator that drives a HV converter,
    simple electronics, there is a table top experiment.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusor
    so many simple ways to improve that setup!

    But none are going to make it an energy source.

    Yea, and planes could never fly as those were heavier than air.
    There are solutions, some are simple.
    I have been posting about that Farnsworth fusor many times, but your amnesia must have gotten to you again.

    What will never produce energy is the large political job creation projects for albert onestone parrots like ITER is.
    Or that laser fusion crap in 'merrica.

    NIF is really about nuclear weapons, but the over-unity energy yield
    is interesting.

    Yes, but theequipment ises a zillio times more energy that is produced...

    Same for anti-gravity.

    This is fun info too, previous thing you did not graps:
    Carvings at ancient monument may be world's oldest calendars
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/08/240806131238.htm
    comets causing glowball cooling?

    As to solder, when was the last time your front limbs held a sodering iron?

    Good question!

    Yea, had not touched it in several days myself .. was repairing a watch...
    need better tools, but it works again..
    We are in for some nice hot days here, 35 degrees C here predicted for Monday. 95 F?

    As to that fusor, some old electron guns from color CRTs.. good focal point, 35 kV should be no problem
    need a good lab and mechanical man.
    Maybe some electron guns from old film scanner CRTs, those used even higher voltages.
    electrons; more basic and simpler than light.
    Farnsworth was a genius.

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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Sat Aug 10 15:01:34 2024
    On 10/08/2024 1:56 am, John Larkin wrote:
    On Fri, 09 Aug 2024 06:38:37 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    On a sunny day (Fri, 9 Aug 2024 02:18:17 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman
    <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <v92r4h$3fk7$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 8/08/2024 8:23 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Thu, 8 Aug 2024 17:13:36 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman >>>> <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <v91r78$3pjer$3@dont-email.me>:

    On 7/08/2024 3:27 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Heating for fusion: Why toast plasma when you can microwave it!
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/08/240806131216.htm >>>>>> Carving a new path forward for compact fusion vessels
    Date:
    August 6, 2024
    Source:
    DOE/Princeton Plasma Physics Laboratory
    Summary:
    Can plasma be sufficiently heated inside a tokamak using only microwaves?
    New research suggests it can! Eliminating the central ohmic heating coil
    normally used in tokamaks will free up much-needed space for a more compact,
    efficient spherical tokamak.

    Not so much carving a new path as looking for one. Maybe be gyrotrons >>>>> can heat the plasma enough, but planing to do experiment which can test >>>>> whether they can isn't exactly carving a new path - more just looking at >>>>> a possible new path.

    Bye bye ITER and that otehr fusion attempt mayonaise thing
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/08/240806131357.htm >>>>>> Researchers dig deeper into stability challenges of nuclear fusion -- with mayonnaise

    Now all I am waiting for is a 10 year old kid doing a better than break even fusion experiment in its parents kitchen...

    You may have to wait a long time. Mayonaise may exhibit Rayleigh-Taylor >>>>> instability, but the lessons it might be able to impart would be
    difficult to translate into totomak design.

    I like that Farnsworth fusor thing

    Of course you do. You are too dim to notice that it can't generate
    enough energy to be a useful energy source - though it can be a handy
    source of neutrons if you need them.

    This spelled out if the link you posted, but clearly didn't read.

    They mention the grid gets too hot as a problem.
    Why not use a water filled pipe as grid,
    heat the water to steam, drive a small steam engine
    that drives a generator that drives a HV converter,
    simple electronics, there is a table top experiment.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusor
    so many simple ways to improve that setup!

    But none are going to make it an energy source.

    Yea, and planes could never fly as those were heavier than air.
    There are solutions, some are simple.
    I have been posting about that Farnsworth fusor many times, but your amnesia must have gotten to you again.

    What will never produce energy is the large political job creation projects for albert onestone parrots like ITER is.
    Or that laser fusion crap in 'merrica.

    NIF is really about nuclear weapons, but the over-unity energy yield
    is interesting.

    It serves to give the physicists involved something they can publish in
    the peer-reviewed literature, but it is a long way from any kind of
    practical application.

    https://hb11.energy

    is more promising, not least because hydrogen-boron fusion doesn't
    generate neutrons which mess up the hardware that create the conditions
    for fusion.

    Same for anti-gravity.

    This is fun info too, previous thing you did not graps:
    Carvings at ancient monument may be world's oldest calendars
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/08/240806131238.htm
    comets causing glowball cooling?

    As to solder, when was the last time your front limbs held a soldering iron?

    Good question!

    Not really. It speaks to the point that I'm not much involved in
    practical electronics at the moment, though I do persist in applying for
    the occasional job. John Larkin can't be bothered to put in the parallel capacitance of his simulated inductors in his LTSpice simulations, but
    still thinks that he is doing practical electronics.

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  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 10 09:35:16 2024
    On Sat, 10 Aug 2024 06:01:32 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    On a sunny day (Fri, 09 Aug 2024 08:56:44 -0700) it happened John Larkin ><jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in ><esecbj1vp6cf0v0778gt00kut08div9dsm@4ax.com>:

    On Fri, 09 Aug 2024 06:38:37 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>wrote:

    On a sunny day (Fri, 9 Aug 2024 02:18:17 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman >>><bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <v92r4h$3fk7$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 8/08/2024 8:23 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Thu, 8 Aug 2024 17:13:36 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman >>>>> <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <v91r78$3pjer$3@dont-email.me>:

    On 7/08/2024 3:27 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Heating for fusion: Why toast plasma when you can microwave it!
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/08/240806131216.htm >>>>>>> Carving a new path forward for compact fusion vessels
    Date:
    August 6, 2024
    Source:
    DOE/Princeton Plasma Physics Laboratory
    Summary:
    Can plasma be sufficiently heated inside a tokamak using only microwaves?
    New research suggests it can! Eliminating the central ohmic heating coil
    normally used in tokamaks will free up much-needed space for a more compact,
    efficient spherical tokamak.

    Not so much carving a new path as looking for one. Maybe be gyrotrons >>>>>> can heat the plasma enough, but planing to do experiment which can test >>>>>> whether they can isn't exactly carving a new path - more just looking at >>>>>> a possible new path.

    Bye bye ITER and that otehr fusion attempt mayonaise thing
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/08/240806131357.htm >>>>>>> Researchers dig deeper into stability challenges of nuclear fusion -- with mayonnaise

    Now all I am waiting for is a 10 year old kid doing a better than break even fusion experiment in its parents kitchen...

    You may have to wait a long time. Mayonaise may exhibit Rayleigh-Taylor >>>>>> instability, but the lessons it might be able to impart would be
    difficult to translate into totomak design.

    I like that Farnsworth fusor thing

    Of course you do. You are too dim to notice that it can't generate >>>>enough energy to be a useful energy source - though it can be a handy >>>>source of neutrons if you need them.

    This spelled out if the link you posted, but clearly didn't read.

    They mention the grid gets too hot as a problem.
    Why not use a water filled pipe as grid,
    heat the water to steam, drive a small steam engine
    that drives a generator that drives a HV converter,
    simple electronics, there is a table top experiment.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusor
    so many simple ways to improve that setup!

    But none are going to make it an energy source.

    Yea, and planes could never fly as those were heavier than air.
    There are solutions, some are simple.
    I have been posting about that Farnsworth fusor many times, but your amnesia must have gotten to you again.

    What will never produce energy is the large political job creation projects for albert onestone parrots like ITER is.
    Or that laser fusion crap in 'merrica.

    NIF is really about nuclear weapons, but the over-unity energy yield
    is interesting.

    Yes, but theequipment ises a zillio times more energy that is produced...

    Same for anti-gravity.

    This is fun info too, previous thing you did not graps:
    Carvings at ancient monument may be world's oldest calendars
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/08/240806131238.htm
    comets causing glowball cooling?

    As to solder, when was the last time your front limbs held a sodering iron? >>
    Good question!

    Yea, had not touched it in several days myself .. was repairing a watch... >need better tools, but it works again..
    We are in for some nice hot days here, 35 degrees C here predicted for Monday. >95 F?


    We're up in the mountains, in Truckee, and I'm not soldering here
    either. It's hit 92F during the day but it's cold at night. Well, 92
    above an asphalt road; it's cooler in the woods. It's dry so doesn't
    feel very hot. We get occasional wafts of smoke, from the usual
    California forest fires. We had a bear stroll down the street
    yesterday.

    I have a new intern starting soon, and there's so much to teach him,
    including soldering.


    As to that fusor, some old electron guns from color CRTs.. good focal point, 35 kV should be no problem
    need a good lab and mechanical man.
    Maybe some electron guns from old film scanner CRTs, those used even higher voltages.
    electrons; more basic and simpler than light.
    Farnsworth was a genius.


    Yes. He was a mostly unlearned farm boy who invented electronic
    television near here, on Green Street.

    https://noehill.com/sf/landmarks/cal0941.asp

    It's not hard to build a particle accelerator to get some fusion, but
    it's not efficient.

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com on Sun Aug 11 05:33:43 2024
    On a sunny day (Sat, 10 Aug 2024 09:35:16 -0700) it happened John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in <3q4fbjls1l443iuh35lgfv86ennta3vk0i@4ax.com>:

    On Sat, 10 Aug 2024 06:01:32 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    On a sunny day (Fri, 09 Aug 2024 08:56:44 -0700) it happened John Larkin >><jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in >><esecbj1vp6cf0v0778gt00kut08div9dsm@4ax.com>:

    On Fri, 09 Aug 2024 06:38:37 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>wrote:

    On a sunny day (Fri, 9 Aug 2024 02:18:17 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman >>>><bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <v92r4h$3fk7$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 8/08/2024 8:23 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Thu, 8 Aug 2024 17:13:36 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman >>>>>> <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <v91r78$3pjer$3@dont-email.me>:

    On 7/08/2024 3:27 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Heating for fusion: Why toast plasma when you can microwave it! >>>>>>>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/08/240806131216.htm >>>>>>>> Carving a new path forward for compact fusion vessels
    Date:
    August 6, 2024
    Source:
    DOE/Princeton Plasma Physics Laboratory
    Summary:
    Can plasma be sufficiently heated inside a tokamak using only microwaves?
    New research suggests it can! Eliminating the central ohmic heating coil
    normally used in tokamaks will free up much-needed space for a more compact,
    efficient spherical tokamak.

    Not so much carving a new path as looking for one. Maybe be gyrotrons >>>>>>> can heat the plasma enough, but planing to do experiment which can test >>>>>>> whether they can isn't exactly carving a new path - more just looking at
    a possible new path.

    Bye bye ITER and that otehr fusion attempt mayonaise thing
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/08/240806131357.htm >>>>>>>> Researchers dig deeper into stability challenges of nuclear fusion -- with mayonnaise

    Now all I am waiting for is a 10 year old kid doing a better than break even fusion experiment in its parents
    kitchen...

    You may have to wait a long time. Mayonaise may exhibit Rayleigh-Taylor >>>>>>> instability, but the lessons it might be able to impart would be >>>>>>> difficult to translate into totomak design.

    I like that Farnsworth fusor thing

    Of course you do. You are too dim to notice that it can't generate >>>>>enough energy to be a useful energy source - though it can be a handy >>>>>source of neutrons if you need them.

    This spelled out if the link you posted, but clearly didn't read.

    They mention the grid gets too hot as a problem.
    Why not use a water filled pipe as grid,
    heat the water to steam, drive a small steam engine
    that drives a generator that drives a HV converter,
    simple electronics, there is a table top experiment.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusor
    so many simple ways to improve that setup!

    But none are going to make it an energy source.

    Yea, and planes could never fly as those were heavier than air.
    There are solutions, some are simple.
    I have been posting about that Farnsworth fusor many times, but your amnesia must have gotten to you again.

    What will never produce energy is the large political job creation projects for albert onestone parrots like ITER is.
    Or that laser fusion crap in 'merrica.

    NIF is really about nuclear weapons, but the over-unity energy yield
    is interesting.

    Yes, but theequipment ises a zillio times more energy that is produced... >>>>
    Same for anti-gravity.

    This is fun info too, previous thing you did not graps:
    Carvings at ancient monument may be world's oldest calendars
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/08/240806131238.htm
    comets causing glowball cooling?

    As to solder, when was the last time your front limbs held a sodering iron? >>>
    Good question!

    Yea, had not touched it in several days myself .. was repairing a watch... >>need better tools, but it works again..
    We are in for some nice hot days here, 35 degrees C here predicted for Monday.
    95 F?


    We're up in the mountains, in Truckee, and I'm not soldering here
    either. It's hit 92F during the day but it's cold at night. Well, 92
    above an asphalt road; it's cooler in the woods. It's dry so doesn't
    feel very hot. We get occasional wafts of smoke, from the usual
    California forest fires. We had a bear stroll down the street
    yesterday.

    We now have more wolf problems, a place where close to where used to live and go a a kid
    has now had wolves attack little kids and kill many sheep.
    Still the idiot greenish politicians here want to keep protecting the wolves... No big fires here, air is clean..
    I am close to the beach actually, little islands close to here are a big holiday attaction.
    Ferries going there..
    https://www.dutchwaddenislands.com/ameland/inspiration


    I have a new intern starting soon, and there's so much to teach him, >including soldering.

    Not much practical stuff teached in collage these days?
    What is his eduction background?


    As to that fusor, some old electron guns from color CRTs.. good focal point, 35 kV should be no problem
    need a good lab and mechanical man.
    Maybe some electron guns from old film scanner CRTs, those used even higher voltages.
    electrons; more basic and simpler than light.
    Farnsworth was a genius.


    Yes. He was a mostly unlearned farm boy who invented electronic
    television near here, on Green Street.

    https://noehill.com/sf/landmarks/cal0941.asp

    That is very nice


    It's not hard to build a particle accelerator to get some fusion, but
    it's not efficient.

    Yea, but something should be possible to increase on that 'fusor' setup.

    As it is all about tiny particles, whe should have a small portable fusion power plant
    say one for every car and every household.
    No more huge power lines, like we now have no more telegraph lines for data.

    It must be possible, we are overlooking something.
    Atoms are very small...

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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Sun Aug 11 16:58:04 2024
    On 11/08/2024 2:35 am, John Larkin wrote:
    On Sat, 10 Aug 2024 06:01:32 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    On a sunny day (Fri, 09 Aug 2024 08:56:44 -0700) it happened John Larkin
    <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in
    <esecbj1vp6cf0v0778gt00kut08div9dsm@4ax.com>:

    On Fri, 09 Aug 2024 06:38:37 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    On a sunny day (Fri, 9 Aug 2024 02:18:17 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman >>>> <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <v92r4h$3fk7$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 8/08/2024 8:23 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Thu, 8 Aug 2024 17:13:36 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman >>>>>> <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <v91r78$3pjer$3@dont-email.me>:

    On 7/08/2024 3:27 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Heating for fusion: Why toast plasma when you can microwave it! >>>>>>>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/08/240806131216.htm >>>>>>>> Carving a new path forward for compact fusion vessels
    Date:
    August 6, 2024
    Source:
    DOE/Princeton Plasma Physics Laboratory
    Summary:
    Can plasma be sufficiently heated inside a tokamak using only microwaves?
    New research suggests it can! Eliminating the central ohmic heating coil
    normally used in tokamaks will free up much-needed space for a more compact,
    efficient spherical tokamak.

    Not so much carving a new path as looking for one. Maybe be gyrotrons >>>>>>> can heat the plasma enough, but planing to do experiment which can test >>>>>>> whether they can isn't exactly carving a new path - more just looking at
    a possible new path.

    Bye bye ITER and that otehr fusion attempt mayonaise thing
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/08/240806131357.htm >>>>>>>> Researchers dig deeper into stability challenges of nuclear fusion -- with mayonnaise

    Now all I am waiting for is a 10 year old kid doing a better than break even fusion experiment in its parents kitchen...

    You may have to wait a long time. Mayonaise may exhibit Rayleigh-Taylor >>>>>>> instability, but the lessons it might be able to impart would be >>>>>>> difficult to translate into totomak design.

    I like that Farnsworth fusor thing

    Of course you do. You are too dim to notice that it can't generate
    enough energy to be a useful energy source - though it can be a handy >>>>> source of neutrons if you need them.

    This spelled out if the link you posted, but clearly didn't read.

    They mention the grid gets too hot as a problem.
    Why not use a water filled pipe as grid,
    heat the water to steam, drive a small steam engine
    that drives a generator that drives a HV converter,
    simple electronics, there is a table top experiment.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusor
    so many simple ways to improve that setup!

    But none are going to make it an energy source.

    Yea, and planes could never fly as those were heavier than air.
    There are solutions, some are simple.
    I have been posting about that Farnsworth fusor many times, but your amnesia must have gotten to you again.

    What will never produce energy is the large political job creation projects for albert onestone parrots like ITER is.
    Or that laser fusion crap in 'merrica.

    NIF is really about nuclear weapons, but the over-unity energy yield
    is interesting.

    Yes, but theequipment ises a zillio times more energy that is produced... >>>>
    Same for anti-gravity.

    This is fun info too, previous thing you did not graps:
    Carvings at ancient monument may be world's oldest calendars
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/08/240806131238.htm
    comets causing glowball cooling?

    As to solder, when was the last time your front limbs held a sodering iron?

    Good question!

    Yea, had not touched it in several days myself .. was repairing a watch... >> need better tools, but it works again..
    We are in for some nice hot days here, 35 degrees C here predicted for Monday.
    95 F?


    We're up in the mountains, in Truckee, and I'm not soldering here
    either. It's hit 92F during the day but it's cold at night. Well, 92
    above an asphalt road; it's cooler in the woods. It's dry so doesn't
    feel very hot. We get occasional wafts of smoke, from the usual
    California forest fires. We had a bear stroll down the street
    yesterday.

    I have a new intern starting soon, and there's so much to teach him, including soldering.

    If there wasn't you wouldn't have hired him.

    <snip>

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney



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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Mon Aug 12 00:20:11 2024
    On 11/08/2024 3:33 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Sat, 10 Aug 2024 09:35:16 -0700) it happened John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in <3q4fbjls1l443iuh35lgfv86ennta3vk0i@4ax.com>:

    On Sat, 10 Aug 2024 06:01:32 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    On a sunny day (Fri, 09 Aug 2024 08:56:44 -0700) it happened John Larkin >>> <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in
    <esecbj1vp6cf0v0778gt00kut08div9dsm@4ax.com>:

    On Fri, 09 Aug 2024 06:38:37 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    On a sunny day (Fri, 9 Aug 2024 02:18:17 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman >>>>> <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <v92r4h$3fk7$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 8/08/2024 8:23 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Thu, 8 Aug 2024 17:13:36 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman >>>>>>> <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <v91r78$3pjer$3@dont-email.me>:

    On 7/08/2024 3:27 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Heating for fusion: Why toast plasma when you can microwave it! >>>>>>>>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/08/240806131216.htm >>>>>>>>> Carving a new path forward for compact fusion vessels
    Date:
    August 6, 2024
    Source:
    DOE/Princeton Plasma Physics Laboratory
    Summary:
    Can plasma be sufficiently heated inside a tokamak using only microwaves?
    New research suggests it can! Eliminating the central ohmic heating coil
    normally used in tokamaks will free up much-needed space for a more compact,
    efficient spherical tokamak.

    Not so much carving a new path as looking for one. Maybe be gyrotrons >>>>>>>> can heat the plasma enough, but planing to do experiment which can test
    whether they can isn't exactly carving a new path - more just looking at
    a possible new path.

    Bye bye ITER and that otehr fusion attempt mayonaise thing
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/08/240806131357.htm >>>>>>>>> Researchers dig deeper into stability challenges of nuclear fusion -- with mayonnaise

    Now all I am waiting for is a 10 year old kid doing a better than break even fusion experiment in its parents
    kitchen...

    You may have to wait a long time. Mayonaise may exhibit Rayleigh-Taylor
    instability, but the lessons it might be able to impart would be >>>>>>>> difficult to translate into totomak design.

    I like that Farnsworth fusor thing

    Of course you do. You are too dim to notice that it can't generate >>>>>> enough energy to be a useful energy source - though it can be a handy >>>>>> source of neutrons if you need them.

    This spelled out if the link you posted, but clearly didn't read.

    They mention the grid gets too hot as a problem.
    Why not use a water filled pipe as grid,
    heat the water to steam, drive a small steam engine
    that drives a generator that drives a HV converter,
    simple electronics, there is a table top experiment.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusor
    so many simple ways to improve that setup!

    But none are going to make it an energy source.

    Yea, and planes could never fly as those were heavier than air.
    There are solutions, some are simple.
    I have been posting about that Farnsworth fusor many times, but your amnesia must have gotten to you again.

    What will never produce energy is the large political job creation projects for albert onestone parrots like ITER is.
    Or that laser fusion crap in 'merrica.

    NIF is really about nuclear weapons, but the over-unity energy yield
    is interesting.

    Yes, but theequipment ises a zillio times more energy that is produced... >>>>>
    Same for anti-gravity.

    This is fun info too, previous thing you did not graps:
    Carvings at ancient monument may be world's oldest calendars
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/08/240806131238.htm
    comets causing glowball cooling?

    As to solder, when was the last time your front limbs held a sodering iron?

    Good question!

    Yea, had not touched it in several days myself .. was repairing a watch... >>> need better tools, but it works again..
    We are in for some nice hot days here, 35 degrees C here predicted for Monday.
    95 F?


    We're up in the mountains, in Truckee, and I'm not soldering here
    either. It's hit 92F during the day but it's cold at night. Well, 92
    above an asphalt road; it's cooler in the woods. It's dry so doesn't
    feel very hot. We get occasional wafts of smoke, from the usual
    California forest fires. We had a bear stroll down the street
    yesterday.

    We now have more wolf problems, a place where close to where used to live and go a a kid
    has now had wolves attack little kids and kill many sheep.
    Still the idiot greenish politicians here want to keep protecting the wolves...
    No big fires here, air is clean..
    I am close to the beach actually, little islands close to here are a big holiday attaction.
    Ferries going there..
    https://www.dutchwaddenislands.com/ameland/inspiration


    I have a new intern starting soon, and there's so much to teach him,
    including soldering.

    Not much practical stuff teached in collage these days?
    What is his eduction background?


    As to that fusor, some old electron guns from color CRTs.. good focal point, 35 kV should be no problem
    need a good lab and mechanical man.
    Maybe some electron guns from old film scanner CRTs, those used even higher voltages.
    electrons; more basic and simpler than light.
    Farnsworth was a genius.


    Yes. He was a mostly unlearned farm boy who invented electronic
    television near here, on Green Street.

    https://noehill.com/sf/landmarks/cal0941.asp

    That is very nice


    It's not hard to build a particle accelerator to get some fusion, but
    it's not efficient.

    Yea, but something should be possible to increase on that 'fusor' setup.

    But why do you think that?

    As it is all about tiny particles, we should have a small portable fusion power plant
    say one for every car and every household.

    The tiny particles of oxygen that burn the almost as small hydrocarbon molecules in cars call for tolerably bulky power units. Your logic sucks.

    No more huge power lines, like we now have no more telegraph lines for data.

    We now have fibre-optic cables rather than telegraph lines. We don't
    route much data up to synchronous satellites any more - it's too slow
    and you can't parallel up enough connections.

    It must be possible, we are overlooking something.
    Atoms are very small...

    And so is Jan Panteltje's brain, even it contains 86 billion very small neurones, some of which work.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney


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  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 11 08:32:44 2024
    On Sun, 11 Aug 2024 05:33:43 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    On a sunny day (Sat, 10 Aug 2024 09:35:16 -0700) it happened John Larkin ><jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in ><3q4fbjls1l443iuh35lgfv86ennta3vk0i@4ax.com>:

    On Sat, 10 Aug 2024 06:01:32 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>wrote:

    On a sunny day (Fri, 09 Aug 2024 08:56:44 -0700) it happened John Larkin >>><jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in >>><esecbj1vp6cf0v0778gt00kut08div9dsm@4ax.com>:

    On Fri, 09 Aug 2024 06:38:37 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>wrote:

    On a sunny day (Fri, 9 Aug 2024 02:18:17 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman >>>>><bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <v92r4h$3fk7$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 8/08/2024 8:23 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Thu, 8 Aug 2024 17:13:36 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman >>>>>>> <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <v91r78$3pjer$3@dont-email.me>:

    On 7/08/2024 3:27 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Heating for fusion: Why toast plasma when you can microwave it! >>>>>>>>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/08/240806131216.htm >>>>>>>>> Carving a new path forward for compact fusion vessels
    Date:
    August 6, 2024
    Source:
    DOE/Princeton Plasma Physics Laboratory
    Summary:
    Can plasma be sufficiently heated inside a tokamak using only microwaves?
    New research suggests it can! Eliminating the central ohmic heating coil
    normally used in tokamaks will free up much-needed space for a more compact,
    efficient spherical tokamak.

    Not so much carving a new path as looking for one. Maybe be gyrotrons >>>>>>>> can heat the plasma enough, but planing to do experiment which can test
    whether they can isn't exactly carving a new path - more just looking at
    a possible new path.

    Bye bye ITER and that otehr fusion attempt mayonaise thing
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/08/240806131357.htm >>>>>>>>> Researchers dig deeper into stability challenges of nuclear fusion -- with mayonnaise

    Now all I am waiting for is a 10 year old kid doing a better than break even fusion experiment in its parents
    kitchen...

    You may have to wait a long time. Mayonaise may exhibit Rayleigh-Taylor
    instability, but the lessons it might be able to impart would be >>>>>>>> difficult to translate into totomak design.

    I like that Farnsworth fusor thing

    Of course you do. You are too dim to notice that it can't generate >>>>>>enough energy to be a useful energy source - though it can be a handy >>>>>>source of neutrons if you need them.

    This spelled out if the link you posted, but clearly didn't read.

    They mention the grid gets too hot as a problem.
    Why not use a water filled pipe as grid,
    heat the water to steam, drive a small steam engine
    that drives a generator that drives a HV converter,
    simple electronics, there is a table top experiment.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusor
    so many simple ways to improve that setup!

    But none are going to make it an energy source.

    Yea, and planes could never fly as those were heavier than air.
    There are solutions, some are simple.
    I have been posting about that Farnsworth fusor many times, but your amnesia must have gotten to you again.

    What will never produce energy is the large political job creation projects for albert onestone parrots like ITER is.
    Or that laser fusion crap in 'merrica.

    NIF is really about nuclear weapons, but the over-unity energy yield
    is interesting.

    Yes, but theequipment ises a zillio times more energy that is produced... >>>>>
    Same for anti-gravity.

    This is fun info too, previous thing you did not graps:
    Carvings at ancient monument may be world's oldest calendars
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/08/240806131238.htm
    comets causing glowball cooling?

    As to solder, when was the last time your front limbs held a sodering iron?

    Good question!

    Yea, had not touched it in several days myself .. was repairing a watch... >>>need better tools, but it works again..
    We are in for some nice hot days here, 35 degrees C here predicted for Monday.
    95 F?


    We're up in the mountains, in Truckee, and I'm not soldering here
    either. It's hit 92F during the day but it's cold at night. Well, 92
    above an asphalt road; it's cooler in the woods. It's dry so doesn't
    feel very hot. We get occasional wafts of smoke, from the usual
    California forest fires. We had a bear stroll down the street
    yesterday.

    We now have more wolf problems, a place where close to where used to live and go a a kid
    has now had wolves attack little kids and kill many sheep.
    Still the idiot greenish politicians here want to keep protecting the wolves...
    No big fires here, air is clean..
    I am close to the beach actually, little islands close to here are a big holiday attaction.
    Ferries going there..
    https://www.dutchwaddenislands.com/ameland/inspiration


    I have a new intern starting soon, and there's so much to teach him, >>including soldering.

    Not much practical stuff teached in collage these days?
    What is his eduction background?


    As to that fusor, some old electron guns from color CRTs.. good focal point, 35 kV should be no problem
    need a good lab and mechanical man.
    Maybe some electron guns from old film scanner CRTs, those used even higher voltages.
    electrons; more basic and simpler than light.
    Farnsworth was a genius.


    Yes. He was a mostly unlearned farm boy who invented electronic
    television near here, on Green Street.

    https://noehill.com/sf/landmarks/cal0941.asp

    That is very nice


    It's not hard to build a particle accelerator to get some fusion, but
    it's not efficient.

    Yea, but something should be possible to increase on that 'fusor' setup.

    As it is all about tiny particles, whe should have a small portable fusion power plant
    say one for every car and every household.
    No more huge power lines, like we now have no more telegraph lines for data.

    It must be possible, we are overlooking something.
    Atoms are very small...


    Fission works fine, even better if we'd recycle used fuel.

    Natural gas is great too. We don't really have an energy problem.

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com on Mon Aug 12 00:03:52 2024
    On a sunny day (Sun, 11 Aug 2024 08:32:44 -0700) it happened John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in <v9mhbj1a952iu67njdlcjnceidaai2dpbh@4ax.com>:

    On Sun, 11 Aug 2024 05:33:43 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    On a sunny day (Sat, 10 Aug 2024 09:35:16 -0700) it happened John Larkin >><jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in >><3q4fbjls1l443iuh35lgfv86ennta3vk0i@4ax.com>:

    On Sat, 10 Aug 2024 06:01:32 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>wrote:

    On a sunny day (Fri, 09 Aug 2024 08:56:44 -0700) it happened John Larkin >>>><jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in >>>><esecbj1vp6cf0v0778gt00kut08div9dsm@4ax.com>:

    On Fri, 09 Aug 2024 06:38:37 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>wrote:

    On a sunny day (Fri, 9 Aug 2024 02:18:17 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman >>>>>><bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <v92r4h$3fk7$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 8/08/2024 8:23 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Thu, 8 Aug 2024 17:13:36 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman
    <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <v91r78$3pjer$3@dont-email.me>: >>>>>>>>
    On 7/08/2024 3:27 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Heating for fusion: Why toast plasma when you can microwave it! >>>>>>>>>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/08/240806131216.htm >>>>>>>>>> Carving a new path forward for compact fusion vessels
    Date:
    August 6, 2024
    Source:
    DOE/Princeton Plasma Physics Laboratory
    Summary:
    Can plasma be sufficiently heated inside a tokamak using only microwaves?
    New research suggests it can! Eliminating the central ohmic heating coil
    normally used in tokamaks will free up much-needed space for a more compact,
    efficient spherical tokamak.

    Not so much carving a new path as looking for one. Maybe be gyrotrons >>>>>>>>> can heat the plasma enough, but planing to do experiment which can test
    whether they can isn't exactly carving a new path - more just looking at
    a possible new path.

    Bye bye ITER and that otehr fusion attempt mayonaise thing >>>>>>>>>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/08/240806131357.htm >>>>>>>>>> Researchers dig deeper into stability challenges of nuclear fusion -- with mayonnaise

    Now all I am waiting for is a 10 year old kid doing a better than break even fusion experiment in its parents
    kitchen...

    You may have to wait a long time. Mayonaise may exhibit Rayleigh-Taylor
    instability, but the lessons it might be able to impart would be >>>>>>>>> difficult to translate into totomak design.

    I like that Farnsworth fusor thing

    Of course you do. You are too dim to notice that it can't generate >>>>>>>enough energy to be a useful energy source - though it can be a handy >>>>>>>source of neutrons if you need them.

    This spelled out if the link you posted, but clearly didn't read. >>>>>>>
    They mention the grid gets too hot as a problem.
    Why not use a water filled pipe as grid,
    heat the water to steam, drive a small steam engine
    that drives a generator that drives a HV converter,
    simple electronics, there is a table top experiment.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusor
    so many simple ways to improve that setup!

    But none are going to make it an energy source.

    Yea, and planes could never fly as those were heavier than air. >>>>>>There are solutions, some are simple.
    I have been posting about that Farnsworth fusor many times, but your amnesia must have gotten to you again.

    What will never produce energy is the large political job creation projects for albert onestone parrots like ITER is.
    Or that laser fusion crap in 'merrica.

    NIF is really about nuclear weapons, but the over-unity energy yield >>>>>is interesting.

    Yes, but theequipment ises a zillio times more energy that is produced... >>>>>>
    Same for anti-gravity.

    This is fun info too, previous thing you did not graps:
    Carvings at ancient monument may be world's oldest calendars
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/08/240806131238.htm
    comets causing glowball cooling?

    As to solder, when was the last time your front limbs held a sodering iron?

    Good question!

    Yea, had not touched it in several days myself .. was repairing a watch... >>>>need better tools, but it works again..
    We are in for some nice hot days here, 35 degrees C here predicted for Monday.
    95 F?


    We're up in the mountains, in Truckee, and I'm not soldering here
    either. It's hit 92F during the day but it's cold at night. Well, 92 >>>above an asphalt road; it's cooler in the woods. It's dry so doesn't
    feel very hot. We get occasional wafts of smoke, from the usual >>>California forest fires. We had a bear stroll down the street
    yesterday.

    We now have more wolf problems, a place where close to where used to live and go a a kid
    has now had wolves attack little kids and kill many sheep.
    Still the idiot greenish politicians here want to keep protecting the wolves...
    No big fires here, air is clean..
    I am close to the beach actually, little islands close to here are a big holiday attaction.
    Ferries going there..
    https://www.dutchwaddenislands.com/ameland/inspiration


    I have a new intern starting soon, and there's so much to teach him, >>>including soldering.

    Not much practical stuff teached in collage these days?
    What is his eduction background?


    As to that fusor, some old electron guns from color CRTs.. good focal point, 35 kV should be no problem
    need a good lab and mechanical man.
    Maybe some electron guns from old film scanner CRTs, those used even higher voltages.
    electrons; more basic and simpler than light.
    Farnsworth was a genius.


    Yes. He was a mostly unlearned farm boy who invented electronic >>>television near here, on Green Street.

    https://noehill.com/sf/landmarks/cal0941.asp

    That is very nice


    It's not hard to build a particle accelerator to get some fusion, but >>>it's not efficient.

    Yea, but something should be possible to increase on that 'fusor' setup.

    As it is all about tiny particles, whe should have a small portable fusion power plant
    say one for every car and every household.
    No more huge power lines, like we now have no more telegraph lines for data. >>
    It must be possible, we are overlooking something.
    Atoms are very small...


    Fission works fine, even better if we'd recycle used fuel.

    Natural gas is great too. We don't really have an energy problem.

    Problem is that there _is_ an energy problem,
    thousands without power now in Florida I'v read.
    It is the _distribution_ of electric power that fails over and over again.

    RTG power sources are cool too, some spacecraft are powered by it for many years, like that Pioneer thing
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_10

    But well _everything_- is dangerous...

    I had a car that ran on either LPG or petrol, by just flipping a switch..
    So yes, that is an option.
    LPG was much cheaper than petrol, did drive long distances.. but then the government here started to tax it...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquefied_petroleum_gas





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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Tue Aug 13 00:37:47 2024
    On 12/08/2024 1:32 am, John Larkin wrote:
    On Sun, 11 Aug 2024 05:33:43 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    On a sunny day (Sat, 10 Aug 2024 09:35:16 -0700) it happened John Larkin
    <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in
    <3q4fbjls1l443iuh35lgfv86ennta3vk0i@4ax.com>:

    On Sat, 10 Aug 2024 06:01:32 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    On a sunny day (Fri, 09 Aug 2024 08:56:44 -0700) it happened John Larkin >>>> <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in
    <esecbj1vp6cf0v0778gt00kut08div9dsm@4ax.com>:

    On Fri, 09 Aug 2024 06:38:37 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>> wrote:

    On a sunny day (Fri, 9 Aug 2024 02:18:17 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman >>>>>> <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <v92r4h$3fk7$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 8/08/2024 8:23 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Thu, 8 Aug 2024 17:13:36 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman
    <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <v91r78$3pjer$3@dont-email.me>: >>>>>>>>
    On 7/08/2024 3:27 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Heating for fusion: Why toast plasma when you can microwave it! >>>>>>>>>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/08/240806131216.htm >>>>>>>>>> Carving a new path forward for compact fusion vessels >>>>>>>>>> Date:
    August 6, 2024
    Source:
    DOE/Princeton Plasma Physics Laboratory
    Summary:
    Can plasma be sufficiently heated inside a tokamak using only microwaves?
    New research suggests it can! Eliminating the central ohmic heating coil
    normally used in tokamaks will free up much-needed space for a more compact,
    efficient spherical tokamak.

    Not so much carving a new path as looking for one. Maybe be gyrotrons >>>>>>>>> can heat the plasma enough, but planing to do experiment which can test
    whether they can isn't exactly carving a new path - more just looking at
    a possible new path.

    Bye bye ITER and that otehr fusion attempt mayonaise thing >>>>>>>>>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/08/240806131357.htm >>>>>>>>>> Researchers dig deeper into stability challenges of nuclear fusion -- with mayonnaise

    Now all I am waiting for is a 10 year old kid doing a better than break even fusion experiment in its parents
    kitchen...

    You may have to wait a long time. Mayonaise may exhibit Rayleigh-Taylor
    instability, but the lessons it might be able to impart would be >>>>>>>>> difficult to translate into totomak design.

    I like that Farnsworth fusor thing

    Of course you do. You are too dim to notice that it can't generate >>>>>>> enough energy to be a useful energy source - though it can be a handy >>>>>>> source of neutrons if you need them.

    This spelled out if the link you posted, but clearly didn't read. >>>>>>>
    They mention the grid gets too hot as a problem.
    Why not use a water filled pipe as grid,
    heat the water to steam, drive a small steam engine
    that drives a generator that drives a HV converter,
    simple electronics, there is a table top experiment.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusor
    so many simple ways to improve that setup!

    But none are going to make it an energy source.

    Yea, and planes could never fly as those were heavier than air.
    There are solutions, some are simple.
    I have been posting about that Farnsworth fusor many times, but your amnesia must have gotten to you again.

    What will never produce energy is the large political job creation projects for albert onestone parrots like ITER is.
    Or that laser fusion crap in 'merrica.

    NIF is really about nuclear weapons, but the over-unity energy yield >>>>> is interesting.

    Yes, but theequipment ises a zillio times more energy that is produced... >>>>>>
    Same for anti-gravity.

    This is fun info too, previous thing you did not graps:
    Carvings at ancient monument may be world's oldest calendars
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/08/240806131238.htm
    comets causing glowball cooling?

    As to solder, when was the last time your front limbs held a sodering iron?

    Good question!

    Yea, had not touched it in several days myself .. was repairing a watch... >>>> need better tools, but it works again..
    We are in for some nice hot days here, 35 degrees C here predicted for Monday.
    95 F?


    We're up in the mountains, in Truckee, and I'm not soldering here
    either. It's hit 92F during the day but it's cold at night. Well, 92
    above an asphalt road; it's cooler in the woods. It's dry so doesn't
    feel very hot. We get occasional wafts of smoke, from the usual
    California forest fires. We had a bear stroll down the street
    yesterday.

    We now have more wolf problems, a place where close to where used to live and go a a kid
    has now had wolves attack little kids and kill many sheep.
    Still the idiot greenish politicians here want to keep protecting the wolves...
    No big fires here, air is clean..
    I am close to the beach actually, little islands close to here are a big holiday attaction.
    Ferries going there..
    https://www.dutchwaddenislands.com/ameland/inspiration


    I have a new intern starting soon, and there's so much to teach him,
    including soldering.

    Not much practical stuff teached in collage these days?
    What is his eduction background?


    As to that fusor, some old electron guns from color CRTs.. good focal point, 35 kV should be no problem
    need a good lab and mechanical man.
    Maybe some electron guns from old film scanner CRTs, those used even higher voltages.
    electrons; more basic and simpler than light.
    Farnsworth was a genius.


    Yes. He was a mostly unlearned farm boy who invented electronic
    television near here, on Green Street.

    https://noehill.com/sf/landmarks/cal0941.asp

    That is very nice


    It's not hard to build a particle accelerator to get some fusion, but
    it's not efficient.

    Yea, but something should be possible to increase on that 'fusor' setup.

    As it is all about tiny particles, whe should have a small portable fusion power plant
    say one for every car and every household.
    No more huge power lines, like we now have no more telegraph lines for data. >>
    It must be possible, we are overlooking something.
    Atoms are very small...

    Fission works fine, even better if we'd recycle used fuel.

    But there is the problem that the fission products include stuff that
    stays radioactive for more than 100,000 years. We've been generating
    them for more than 70 years now, and have yet to set up any kind of long
    term repository. There are theoretically acceptable solutions, but the neighbourhoods that get asked accommodate them don't find them
    acceptable in practice.

    And the energy produced isn't as cheap the energy you get from renewable sources

    Natural gas is great too. We don't really have an energy problem.

    Until you realise that anthropogenic global warming is a real problem,
    despite the lying propaganda churned out by the fossil carbon extraction industry. It is aimed at gullible twits, and we do have some of them
    posting here.

    And burning natural gas doesn't produce energy as cheaply as you can get
    from renewable sources either.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney




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