On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 12:32:23 -0700, John Larkin ><jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/08/02/the-resurrection-of-intel-will-take-more-than-three-days/?td=rt-3a
Looks like they wrecked Altera.
And hung onto the Intel '86 architecture a tad too tightly, for far
too long.
Joe Gwinn
https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/08/02/the-resurrection-of-intel-will-take-more-than-three-days/?td=rt-3a
Looks like they wrecked Altera.
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 17:18:33 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 12:32:23 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/08/02/the-resurrection-of-intel-will-take-more-than-three-days/?td=rt-3a
Looks like they wrecked Altera.
And hung onto the Intel '86 architecture a tad too tightly, for far
too long.
Joe Gwinn
Yes, it's an ancient dog. It's immensely complex to push the X86
architecture for speed, hence the power consumption and all the bugs.
On 03/08/2024 23:18, Don Y wrote:
On 8/3/2024 2:18 PM, Joe Gwinn wrote:My fave was the NSC800...I usd it in the first (?) all cmos hand held >terminal...and the Z80 could do io mapped DRAM, albeit slowly but it
And hung onto the Intel '86 architecture a tad too tightly, for far
too long.
Intel's folly was abandoning their more diverse offerings and focusing
solely on the x86. Yeah, they tinkered with SA and Xscale but deluded
themselves into thinking that the "PC" would roll on, forever. They
completely missed out on the larger embedded market in favor of more pricey >> PC "CPUs".
OTOH, many of the original "big names" made similarly narrow-minded
decisions.
Remember SC/MP? 2650? 2A03? 8x300? 1802? T11/F11? 9900?
Z280/Z800/Z8000/Z80000? 16032? RGP? 29K?
What's truly amusing is how GI managed to survive and, to some extent,
thrive -- despite their dog of a "CPU"!
Sad that we have so few "choices", now. And, such brain damaged I/Os!
worked as a printer buffer!
And hung onto the Intel '86 architecture a tad too tightly, for far
too long.
On 2024-08-03 17:47, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 17:18:33 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 12:32:23 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/08/02/the-resurrection-of-intel-will-take-more-than-three-days/?td=rt-3a
Looks like they wrecked Altera.
And hung onto the Intel '86 architecture a tad too tightly, for far
too long.
Joe Gwinn
Yes, it's an ancient dog. It's immensely complex to push the X86
architecture for speed, hence the power consumption and all the bugs.
AMD has been doing it pretty well, for awhile. The X86_64 architecture
was theirs, for instance--Intel was still pushing Itanium, alias Itanic.
Cheers
On 03/08/2024 23:18, Don Y wrote:
On 8/3/2024 2:18 PM, Joe Gwinn wrote:
And hung onto the Intel '86 architecture a tad too tightly, for far
too long.
Intel's folly was abandoning their more diverse offerings and focusing
solely on the x86. Yeah, they tinkered with SA and Xscale but deluded
themselves into thinking that the "PC" would roll on, forever. They
completely missed out on the larger embedded market in favor of more pricey >> PC "CPUs".
OTOH, many of the original "big names" made similarly narrow-minded
decisions.
Remember SC/MP? 2650? 2A03? 8x300? 1802? T11/F11? 9900?
Z280/Z800/Z8000/Z80000? 16032? RGP? 29K?
What's truly amusing is how GI managed to survive and, to some extent,
thrive -- despite their dog of a "CPU"!
Sad that we have so few "choices", now. And, such brain damaged I/Os!
My fave was the NSC800...I usd it in the first (?) all cmos hand held terminal...
and the Z80 could do io mapped DRAM, albeit slowly but it worked as
a printer buffer!
On 8/3/2024 3:24 PM, TTman wrote:
On 03/08/2024 23:18, Don Y wrote:
On 8/3/2024 2:18 PM, Joe Gwinn wrote:
And hung onto the Intel '86 architecture a tad too tightly, for far
too long.
Intel's folly was abandoning their more diverse offerings and focusing
solely on the x86. Yeah, they tinkered with SA and Xscale but deluded
themselves into thinking that the "PC" would roll on, forever. They
completely missed out on the larger embedded market in favor of more pricey >>> PC "CPUs".
OTOH, many of the original "big names" made similarly narrow-minded
decisions.
Remember SC/MP? 2650? 2A03? 8x300? 1802? T11/F11? 9900?
Z280/Z800/Z8000/Z80000? 16032? RGP? 29K?
What's truly amusing is how GI managed to survive and, to some extent,
thrive -- despite their dog of a "CPU"!
Sad that we have so few "choices", now. And, such brain damaged I/Os!
My fave was the NSC800...I usd it in the first (?) all cmos hand held
terminal...
The 1802 predated it as the first CMOS *CPU* (no idea as to first
"CMOS hand held terminal")
and the Z80 could do io mapped DRAM, albeit slowly but it worked as
a printer buffer!
Z80 clocks were slow enough that you could squeeze the refresh
cycle into each M1 and a few "muxilpeckers" gave you a DRAM
controller -- at normal bus speed. A bit clumsier on other
processors.
I put a bank of "by 1" DRAM into a device and allowed each "bit lane"
to be stuffed with either 16Kx1 or 64Kx1 devices. So, you had 16Kx8
of DRAM with some combination of 0-8 additional bit-widths of DRAM
above that (obviously accessed via a subroutine that would
piece together *bytes* from sequential *bits* in each bit lane)
[I used it as a data store so access time wasn't important]
The 64K I/O space was a huge win as it let you move "stuff"
out of the main *memory* address decoder. I would cringe when
working on (e.g.) motogorilla hardware and had to more fully
decode addresses in order not to "waste" the single address
space on something as silly as an output latch.
[It was common for Z80/68xx comparisons to be made and rules
of thumb equating their equivalent performance (in some
application niche. God, I hate the load/store architecture!]
The 68K's bus timing was a significant annoyance as it made
NUMA multiprocessor systems costly to design. I managed to
design a custom processor that had exactly (on paper) the
same bus timing as the 68010 -- so I could just treat it
as yet another 68K as far as the arbiter was concerned!
[Try sharing a bus between two heterogeneous processors
and you will appreciate the beauty, there!]
The original 32K had an interesting approach with EXTERNAL
coprocessors (FPU, MMU) which others assumed had to be
internal.
[And the 99K was even wonkier with their "workspaces"!]
Now, hardware is boring vanilla. But, thankfully, the types
of capabilities that are now affordable in OTS devices means
one can move all of that creativity into software, instead!
Eventually, folks will learn to accept them as the new norm...
Heck, it only took a few decades for multitasking to become
the norm... :<
Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
On 8/3/2024 3:24 PM, TTman wrote:
On 03/08/2024 23:18, Don Y wrote:
On 8/3/2024 2:18 PM, Joe Gwinn wrote:My fave was the NSC800...I usd it in the first (?) all cmos hand held
And hung onto the Intel '86 architecture a tad too tightly, for far
too long.
Intel's folly was abandoning their more diverse offerings and focusing >>>> solely on the x86. Yeah, they tinkered with SA and Xscale but deluded >>>> themselves into thinking that the "PC" would roll on, forever. They
completely missed out on the larger embedded market in favor of more pricey
PC "CPUs".
OTOH, many of the original "big names" made similarly narrow-minded
decisions.
Remember SC/MP? 2650? 2A03? 8x300? 1802? T11/F11? 9900?
Z280/Z800/Z8000/Z80000? 16032? RGP? 29K?
What's truly amusing is how GI managed to survive and, to some extent, >>>> thrive -- despite their dog of a "CPU"!
Sad that we have so few "choices", now. And, such brain damaged I/Os! >>>
terminal...
The 1802 predated it as the first CMOS *CPU* (no idea as to first
"CMOS hand held terminal")
and the Z80 could do io mapped DRAM, albeit slowly but it worked as
a printer buffer!
Z80 clocks were slow enough that you could squeeze the refresh
cycle into each M1 and a few "muxilpeckers" gave you a DRAM
controller -- at normal bus speed. A bit clumsier on other
processors.
I put a bank of "by 1" DRAM into a device and allowed each "bit lane"
to be stuffed with either 16Kx1 or 64Kx1 devices. So, you had 16Kx8
of DRAM with some combination of 0-8 additional bit-widths of DRAM
above that (obviously accessed via a subroutine that would
piece together *bytes* from sequential *bits* in each bit lane)
[I used it as a data store so access time wasn't important]
The 64K I/O space was a huge win as it let you move "stuff"
out of the main *memory* address decoder. I would cringe when
working on (e.g.) motogorilla hardware and had to more fully
decode addresses in order not to "waste" the single address
space on something as silly as an output latch.
[It was common for Z80/68xx comparisons to be made and rules
of thumb equating their equivalent performance (in some
application niche. God, I hate the load/store architecture!]
The 68K's bus timing was a significant annoyance as it made
NUMA multiprocessor systems costly to design. I managed to
design a custom processor that had exactly (on paper) the
same bus timing as the 68010 -- so I could just treat it
as yet another 68K as far as the arbiter was concerned!
[Try sharing a bus between two heterogeneous processors
and you will appreciate the beauty, there!]
The original 32K had an interesting approach with EXTERNAL
coprocessors (FPU, MMU) which others assumed had to be
internal.
[And the 99K was even wonkier with their "workspaces"!]
Now, hardware is boring vanilla. But, thankfully, the types
of capabilities that are now affordable in OTS devices means
one can move all of that creativity into software, instead!
Eventually, folks will learn to accept them as the new norm...
Heck, it only took a few decades for multitasking to become
the norm... :<
Yes, the 1802 was great, the address bus was muxed high byte low bytes so interfacing to DRAM was extremely easy.
"piglet" <erichpwagner@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:v8neus$3vgl0$1@dont-email.me...
Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
On 8/3/2024 3:24 PM, TTman wrote:
On 03/08/2024 23:18, Don Y wrote:
On 8/3/2024 2:18 PM, Joe Gwinn wrote:My fave was the NSC800...I usd it in the first (?) all cmos hand held
And hung onto the Intel '86 architecture a tad too tightly, for far >>>>>> too long.
Intel's folly was abandoning their more diverse offerings and focusing >>>>> solely on the x86. Yeah, they tinkered with SA and Xscale but deluded >>>>> themselves into thinking that the "PC" would roll on, forever. They
completely missed out on the larger embedded market in favor of more pricey
PC "CPUs".
OTOH, many of the original "big names" made similarly narrow-minded
decisions.
Remember SC/MP? 2650? 2A03? 8x300? 1802? T11/F11? 9900?
Z280/Z800/Z8000/Z80000? 16032? RGP? 29K?
What's truly amusing is how GI managed to survive and, to some extent, >>>>> thrive -- despite their dog of a "CPU"!
Sad that we have so few "choices", now. And, such brain damaged I/Os! >>>>
terminal...
The 1802 predated it as the first CMOS *CPU* (no idea as to first
"CMOS hand held terminal")
and the Z80 could do io mapped DRAM, albeit slowly but it worked as
a printer buffer!
Z80 clocks were slow enough that you could squeeze the refresh
cycle into each M1 and a few "muxilpeckers" gave you a DRAM
controller -- at normal bus speed. A bit clumsier on other
processors.
I put a bank of "by 1" DRAM into a device and allowed each "bit lane"
to be stuffed with either 16Kx1 or 64Kx1 devices. So, you had 16Kx8
of DRAM with some combination of 0-8 additional bit-widths of DRAM
above that (obviously accessed via a subroutine that would
piece together *bytes* from sequential *bits* in each bit lane)
[I used it as a data store so access time wasn't important]
The 64K I/O space was a huge win as it let you move "stuff"
out of the main *memory* address decoder. I would cringe when
working on (e.g.) motogorilla hardware and had to more fully
decode addresses in order not to "waste" the single address
space on something as silly as an output latch.
[It was common for Z80/68xx comparisons to be made and rules
of thumb equating their equivalent performance (in some
application niche. God, I hate the load/store architecture!]
The 68K's bus timing was a significant annoyance as it made
NUMA multiprocessor systems costly to design. I managed to
design a custom processor that had exactly (on paper) the
same bus timing as the 68010 -- so I could just treat it
as yet another 68K as far as the arbiter was concerned!
[Try sharing a bus between two heterogeneous processors
and you will appreciate the beauty, there!]
The original 32K had an interesting approach with EXTERNAL
coprocessors (FPU, MMU) which others assumed had to be
internal.
[And the 99K was even wonkier with their "workspaces"!]
Now, hardware is boring vanilla. But, thankfully, the types
of capabilities that are now affordable in OTS devices means
one can move all of that creativity into software, instead!
Eventually, folks will learn to accept them as the new norm...
Heck, it only took a few decades for multitasking to become
the norm... :<
Yes, the 1802 was great, the address bus was muxed high byte low bytes so
interfacing to DRAM was extremely easy.
I never used the 1802 but it did look like a nice architecture to me at the time.
Is that the one which stored the return address in the first two addresses of a subroutine or am I thinking of something else?
--
piglet
Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
On 8/3/2024 3:24 PM, TTman wrote:
On 03/08/2024 23:18, Don Y wrote:
On 8/3/2024 2:18 PM, Joe Gwinn wrote:
And hung onto the Intel '86 architecture a tad too tightly, for far
too long.
Intel's folly was abandoning their more diverse offerings and focusing >>>> solely on the x86. Yeah, they tinkered with SA and Xscale but deluded
themselves into thinking that the "PC" would roll on, forever. They
completely missed out on the larger embedded market in favor of more pricey
PC "CPUs".
OTOH, many of the original "big names" made similarly narrow-minded
decisions.
Remember SC/MP? 2650? 2A03? 8x300? 1802? T11/F11? 9900?
Z280/Z800/Z8000/Z80000? 16032? RGP? 29K?
What's truly amusing is how GI managed to survive and, to some extent, >>>> thrive -- despite their dog of a "CPU"!
Sad that we have so few "choices", now. And, such brain damaged I/Os!
My fave was the NSC800...I usd it in the first (?) all cmos hand held
terminal...
The 1802 predated it as the first CMOS *CPU* (no idea as to first
"CMOS hand held terminal")
and the Z80 could do io mapped DRAM, albeit slowly but it worked as
a printer buffer!
Z80 clocks were slow enough that you could squeeze the refresh
cycle into each M1 and a few "muxilpeckers" gave you a DRAM
controller -- at normal bus speed. A bit clumsier on other
processors.
I put a bank of "by 1" DRAM into a device and allowed each "bit lane"
to be stuffed with either 16Kx1 or 64Kx1 devices. So, you had 16Kx8
of DRAM with some combination of 0-8 additional bit-widths of DRAM
above that (obviously accessed via a subroutine that would
piece together *bytes* from sequential *bits* in each bit lane)
[I used it as a data store so access time wasn't important]
The 64K I/O space was a huge win as it let you move "stuff"
out of the main *memory* address decoder. I would cringe when
working on (e.g.) motogorilla hardware and had to more fully
decode addresses in order not to "waste" the single address
space on something as silly as an output latch.
[It was common for Z80/68xx comparisons to be made and rules
of thumb equating their equivalent performance (in some
application niche. God, I hate the load/store architecture!]
The 68K's bus timing was a significant annoyance as it made
NUMA multiprocessor systems costly to design. I managed to
design a custom processor that had exactly (on paper) the
same bus timing as the 68010 -- so I could just treat it
as yet another 68K as far as the arbiter was concerned!
[Try sharing a bus between two heterogeneous processors
and you will appreciate the beauty, there!]
The original 32K had an interesting approach with EXTERNAL
coprocessors (FPU, MMU) which others assumed had to be
internal.
[And the 99K was even wonkier with their "workspaces"!]
Now, hardware is boring vanilla. But, thankfully, the types
of capabilities that are now affordable in OTS devices means
one can move all of that creativity into software, instead!
Eventually, folks will learn to accept them as the new norm...
Heck, it only took a few decades for multitasking to become
the norm... :<
Yes, the 1802 was great, the address bus was muxed high byte low bytes so interfacing to DRAM was extremely easy.
--
piglet
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 15:34:26 -0700, John Larkin ><jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
On Sat, 3 Aug 2024 23:24:00 +0100, TTman <kraken.sankey@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 03/08/2024 23:18, Don Y wrote:
On 8/3/2024 2:18 PM, Joe Gwinn wrote:My fave was the NSC800...I usd it in the first (?) all cmos hand held >>>terminal...and the Z80 could do io mapped DRAM, albeit slowly but it >>>worked as a printer buffer!
And hung onto the Intel '86 architecture a tad too tightly, for far
too long.
Intel's folly was abandoning their more diverse offerings and focusing >>>> solely on the x86. Yeah, they tinkered with SA and Xscale but deluded >>>> themselves into thinking that the "PC" would roll on, forever. They
completely missed out on the larger embedded market in favor of more pricey
PC "CPUs".
OTOH, many of the original "big names" made similarly narrow-minded
decisions.
Remember SC/MP? 2650? 2A03? 8x300? 1802? T11/F11? 9900?
Z280/Z800/Z8000/Z80000? 16032? RGP? 29K?
What's truly amusing is how GI managed to survive and, to some extent, >>>> thrive -- despite their dog of a "CPU"!
Sad that we have so few "choices", now. And, such brain damaged I/Os! >>>>
68K was a thing of beauty. Moto even did a risc (not microcoded)
version.
Many decades ago, I met the Instruction Set Architect of the M68000
family of processor chips. He said that it was inspired by the DEC
PDP11 instruction set.
Joe Gwinn
On Sat, 3 Aug 2024 23:24:00 +0100, TTman <kraken.sankey@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 03/08/2024 23:18, Don Y wrote:
On 8/3/2024 2:18 PM, Joe Gwinn wrote:My fave was the NSC800...I usd it in the first (?) all cmos hand held >>terminal...and the Z80 could do io mapped DRAM, albeit slowly but it
And hung onto the Intel '86 architecture a tad too tightly, for far
too long.
Intel's folly was abandoning their more diverse offerings and focusing
solely on the x86. Yeah, they tinkered with SA and Xscale but deluded
themselves into thinking that the "PC" would roll on, forever. They
completely missed out on the larger embedded market in favor of more pricey >>> PC "CPUs".
OTOH, many of the original "big names" made similarly narrow-minded
decisions.
Remember SC/MP? 2650? 2A03? 8x300? 1802? T11/F11? 9900?
Z280/Z800/Z8000/Z80000? 16032? RGP? 29K?
What's truly amusing is how GI managed to survive and, to some extent,
thrive -- despite their dog of a "CPU"!
Sad that we have so few "choices", now. And, such brain damaged I/Os!
worked as a printer buffer!
68K was a thing of beauty. Moto even did a risc (not microcoded)
version.
Yes, the 1802 was great, the address bus was muxed high byte low bytes so
interfacing to DRAM was extremely easy.
I never used the 1802 but it did look like a nice architecture to me at the time.
Is that the one which stored the return address in the first two addresses of a subroutine or am I thinking of something else?
Am 03.08.24 um 23:52 schrieb Phil Hobbs:
On 2024-08-03 17:47, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 17:18:33 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 12:32:23 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/08/02/the-resurrection-of-intel-will-take-more-than-three-days/?td=rt-3a
Looks like they wrecked Altera.
Altera was founded with Intel money, and the Intel Eprom process.
Remember the EP300?
And hung onto the Intel '86 architecture a tad too tightly, for far
too long.
In the last 20 years, Intel processors had nothing to do with the x86 architecture, except that they could accept x86 code after reset.
Inside, they are a bunch of RISCs, and there is no EAX register but
some 100s of renaming registers that all could take the role of EAX,
in case of speculative execution even some of them at the same time.
In the last 20 years, Intel processors had nothing to do with the x86
architecture, except that they could accept x86 code after reset.
Inside, they are a bunch of RISCs, and there is no EAX register but
some 100s of renaming registers that all could take the role of EAX,
in case of speculative execution even some of them at the same time.
So do they have any instruction set available to the programmer other
than the x86 one or is all this just an emulation of x86 code.
Is there a programming model to be seen in some public document
describing all those many registers. Last time I (vaguely) checked
all I could see were the x86 registers, just made longer - which
brings with itself all the limitations the x86 architecture has
always had, just going over them faster by faster silicon.
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 17:18:33 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 12:32:23 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/08/02/the-resurrection-of-intel-will-take-more-than-three-days/?td=rt-3a
Looks like they wrecked Altera.
And hung onto the Intel '86 architecture a tad too tightly, for far
too long.
Joe Gwinn
Yes, it's an ancient dog. It's immensely complex to push the X86
architecture for speed, hence the power consumption and all the bugs.
On Mon, 05 Aug 24 04:42:24 UTC, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 8/3/2024 5:47 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 17:18:33 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 12:32:23 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/08/02/the-resurrection-of-intel-will-take-more-than-three-days/?td=rt-3a
Looks like they wrecked Altera.
And hung onto the Intel '86 architecture a tad too tightly, for far
too long.
Joe Gwinn
Yes, it's an ancient dog. It's immensely complex to push the X86
architecture for speed, hence the power consumption and all the bugs.
This poor bugger:
<https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/1ehjuzj/i_bought_700k_worth_of_intel_stock_today/>
Since its peak in 2024, Intel stock has lost 2/3 of its value.
On 8/3/2024 5:47 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 17:18:33 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 12:32:23 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/08/02/the-resurrection-of-intel-will-take-more-than-three-days/?td=rt-3a
Looks like they wrecked Altera.
And hung onto the Intel '86 architecture a tad too tightly, for far
too long.
Joe Gwinn
Yes, it's an ancient dog. It's immensely complex to push the X86
architecture for speed, hence the power consumption and all the bugs.
This poor bugger:
<https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/1ehjuzj/i_bought_700k_worth_of_intel_stock_today/>
On 8/5/2024 11:26 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 05 Aug 24 04:42:24 UTC, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 8/3/2024 5:47 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 17:18:33 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 12:32:23 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/08/02/the-resurrection-of-intel-will-take-more-than-three-days/?td=rt-3a
Looks like they wrecked Altera.
And hung onto the Intel '86 architecture a tad too tightly, for far
too long.
Joe Gwinn
Yes, it's an ancient dog. It's immensely complex to push the X86
architecture for speed, hence the power consumption and all the bugs.
This poor bugger:
<https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/1ehjuzj/i_bought_700k_worth_of_intel_stock_today/>
Since its peak in 2024, Intel stock has lost 2/3 of its value.
About 1/3rd of that in the past 3 days..
On Mon, 05 Aug 24 16:10:54 UTC, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 8/5/2024 11:26 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 05 Aug 24 04:42:24 UTC, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 8/3/2024 5:47 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 17:18:33 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> >>>>> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 12:32:23 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/08/02/the-resurrection-of-intel-will-take-more-than-three-days/?td=rt-3a
Looks like they wrecked Altera.
And hung onto the Intel '86 architecture a tad too tightly, for far >>>>>> too long.
Joe Gwinn
Yes, it's an ancient dog. It's immensely complex to push the X86
architecture for speed, hence the power consumption and all the bugs. >>>>>
This poor bugger:
<https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/1ehjuzj/i_bought_700k_worth_of_intel_stock_today/>
Since its peak in 2024, Intel stock has lost 2/3 of its value.
About 1/3rd of that in the past 3 days..
Sorry, I meant 2022.
Intel is like Kodak and Polaroid and Xerox, fixated on their own aging >technology. Intel missed the boat big-time on EUV, so it's hilarious
that they project big revenues in the foundry business.
Intel has done $152 billion in stock buybacks, instead of investing in
their own business. Now they need government subsidies.
https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/intel-subsidy-chips-act-stock-buyback
On a sunny day (Mon, 05 Aug 2024 09:30:50 -0700) it happened John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in <tuu1bj9bvd05ru71a219scdql4fp0nijq4@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 05 Aug 24 16:10:54 UTC, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 8/5/2024 11:26 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 05 Aug 24 04:42:24 UTC, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 8/3/2024 5:47 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 17:18:33 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> >>>>>> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 12:32:23 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
Should not be a problem to wipe out that US .
:-)
On 6/08/2024 3:54 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 05 Aug 2024 09:30:50 -0700) it happened John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in
<tuu1bj9bvd05ru71a219scdql4fp0nijq4@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 05 Aug 24 16:10:54 UTC, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 8/5/2024 11:26 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 05 Aug 24 04:42:24 UTC, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 8/3/2024 5:47 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 17:18:33 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> >>>>>>> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 12:32:23 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
<snip>
Should not be a problem to wipe out that US .
:-)
Of course it would be even easier to wipe out the United Provinces of
the Netherlands - you don't even need nukes to blow holes in a few
dikes, and the sea will do the rest.
Submerge ASML and the western chip industry is down the tubes.
On a sunny day (Mon, 05 Aug 2024 09:30:50 -0700) it happened John Larkin ><jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in ><tuu1bj9bvd05ru71a219scdql4fp0nijq4@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 05 Aug 24 16:10:54 UTC, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 8/5/2024 11:26 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 05 Aug 24 04:42:24 UTC, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 8/3/2024 5:47 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 17:18:33 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> >>>>>> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 12:32:23 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/08/02/the-resurrection-of-intel-will-take-more-than-three-days/?td=rt-3a
Looks like they wrecked Altera.
And hung onto the Intel '86 architecture a tad too tightly, for far >>>>>>> too long.
Joe Gwinn
Yes, it's an ancient dog. It's immensely complex to push the X86
architecture for speed, hence the power consumption and all the bugs. >>>>>>
This poor bugger:
<https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/1ehjuzj/i_bought_700k_worth_of_intel_stock_today/>
Since its peak in 2024, Intel stock has lost 2/3 of its value.
About 1/3rd of that in the past 3 days..
Sorry, I meant 2022.
Intel is like Kodak and Polaroid and Xerox, fixated on their own aging >>technology. Intel missed the boat big-time on EUV, so it's hilarious
that they project big revenues in the foundry business.
Intel has done $152 billion in stock buybacks, instead of investing in >>their own business. Now they need government subsidies.
https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/intel-subsidy-chips-act-stock-buyback
Markets..
My Intel core I5 laptop is still much much faster than my ARM based Raspberry Pi4 8 GB
And even my old AMD 64 PCs are...
I do not realy like ARM architecture.
But things are changing" what's his name? just sold large parts of his Apple stock:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/article/2024/aug/03/berkshire-hathaway-warren-buffett-sells-off-apple-increases-cash-holdings
Writing bloat to sell more hardware is a silly game.
As silly as 'very old saying Archie? 'Do not fix it if it is not broken'
We had, at one time, a few guys doing 'preventive maintenance'
on electronic equipment in the studio.
Well some interesting fault finding required after that, my boss got stuck... >I fixed it in 10 minutes the next morning, the 'preventive maintenace' group had not properly tighened a PL259 connector, ground screen was loose
interference impulses everywhere (was fast tacho pulse cable).
US financial system, dollar value, I think the old plan was to inflate the debt away.
But grabbing Iranian oil could pay some US debt.
Follow the money
So have that notanyyahoo provoke as much war as possible to create a reason to invade Iran, sell more weapons,
even maybe go as far as to get Russia on line give it YouCrane
Its all games US plays.
This time it will not work, too many real nukes everywhere, US is so small, take a globe and look the ratio of noise the US
makes versus the rest of the world. compared to surface area..
Russia China Pakistan India all have their nukes... Probably some more N Korea...
Invade Iran for some silly lie, like George Double You Booooooos did for weapons of mass destruction that did not really exist in Iraq
more war crmes, Japan nuking, Afganistan, Korea, just a weapon manufacturer tha tUS is, and it even kills its own peole with thsoe all the time.
Criminal, genocide, no matter what.
And crap weapons it makes, there are people here protesting against the horrible noise the F35 makes that we bougt (our CIA controlled polly ticksians did)
What a piece of shit that F35
Should not be a problem to wipe out that US .
:-)
On Mon, 05 Aug 24 16:10:54 UTC, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 8/5/2024 11:26 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 05 Aug 24 04:42:24 UTC, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 8/3/2024 5:47 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 17:18:33 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> >>>>> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 12:32:23 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/08/02/the-resurrection-of-intel-will-take-more-than-three-days/?td=rt-3a
Looks like they wrecked Altera.
And hung onto the Intel '86 architecture a tad too tightly, for far >>>>>> too long.
Joe Gwinn
Yes, it's an ancient dog. It's immensely complex to push the X86
architecture for speed, hence the power consumption and all the bugs. >>>>>
This poor bugger:
<https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/1ehjuzj/i_bought_700k_worth_of_intel_stock_today/>
Since its peak in 2024, Intel stock has lost 2/3 of its value.
About 1/3rd of that in the past 3 days..
Sorry, I meant 2022.
Intel is like Kodak and Polaroid and Xerox, fixated on their own aging technology. Intel missed the boat big-time on EUV, so it's hilarious
that they project big revenues in the foundry business.
Intel has done $152 billion in stock buybacks, instead of investing in
their own business. Now they need government subsidies.
https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/intel-subsidy-chips-act-stock-buyback
On a sunny day (Wed, 7 Aug 2024 00:06:25 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman ><bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <v8tal5$1kdg6$1@dont-email.me>:
On 6/08/2024 3:54 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 05 Aug 2024 09:30:50 -0700) it happened John Larkin >>> <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in
<tuu1bj9bvd05ru71a219scdql4fp0nijq4@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 05 Aug 24 16:10:54 UTC, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 8/5/2024 11:26 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 05 Aug 24 04:42:24 UTC, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 8/3/2024 5:47 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 17:18:33 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 12:32:23 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
<snip>
Should not be a problem to wipe out that US .
:-)
Of course it would be even easier to wipe out the United Provinces of
the Netherlands - you don't even need nukes to blow holes in a few
dikes, and the sea will do the rest.
Submerge ASML and the western chip industry is down the tubes.
https://www.rt.com/india/602201-india-semiconductor-manufacturing/
if blocked try
89.191.237.192
quote:
"
India’s Tata Electronics has begun the construction of a new $3.2 billion semiconductor plant,
which is expected to generate 27,000 jobs.
The plant will be located in Assam, the largest of the states in India’s northeast,
and produce over 48 million chips per day using locally-developed technologies,
India’s electronics and information technology minister has said.
The plant has already hired around 1,000 locals for the project,
Tata chairperson N. Chandrasekaran said at the ‘bhumi pujan’ ceremony
(a Hindu ritual performed ahead of construction) for the plant.
The facility is expected to generate 15,000 direct and 11,000 to 13,000 indirect jobs when it opens, he said.
"
What ASML does is likely copied in a short while
On 8/5/2024 12:30 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 05 Aug 24 16:10:54 UTC, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 8/5/2024 11:26 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 05 Aug 24 04:42:24 UTC, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 8/3/2024 5:47 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 17:18:33 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> >>>>>> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 12:32:23 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/08/02/the-resurrection-of-intel-will-take-more-than-three-days/?td=rt-3a
Looks like they wrecked Altera.
And hung onto the Intel '86 architecture a tad too tightly, for far >>>>>>> too long.
Joe Gwinn
Yes, it's an ancient dog. It's immensely complex to push the X86
architecture for speed, hence the power consumption and all the bugs. >>>>>>
This poor bugger:
<https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/1ehjuzj/i_bought_700k_worth_of_intel_stock_today/>
Since its peak in 2024, Intel stock has lost 2/3 of its value.
About 1/3rd of that in the past 3 days..
Sorry, I meant 2022.
Intel is like Kodak and Polaroid and Xerox, fixated on their own aging
technology. Intel missed the boat big-time on EUV, so it's hilarious
that they project big revenues in the foundry business.
Intel has done $152 billion in stock buybacks, instead of investing in
their own business. Now they need government subsidies.
https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/intel-subsidy-chips-act-stock-buyback >>
Their GPU business is struggling also, which is too bad as their Arc
GPUs are pretty good for the price, particularly for video editing and >transcoding.
I bought an Arc 580 for my A/V editing machine and for $169 on sale it
was a no brainer:
<https://www.amazon.com/ASRock-Challenger-256-bit-Design-Cooling/dp/B0CJGSP9R7?th=1>
It has some bug that makes it have high idle power consumption in some
setups including mine, 35 watts, which is absurd by modern standards.
None of the fixes seem to work. The price of early adoption but the PC
is asleep most of the time, anyway.
It's hilarious what a "low-end" GPU looks like these days, with _14_
power pins, about a foot and a half long and would break your foot if
you dropped it on it.
On a sunny day (Wed, 7 Aug 2024 00:06:25 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <v8tal5$1kdg6$1@dont-email.me>:
On 6/08/2024 3:54 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 05 Aug 2024 09:30:50 -0700) it happened John Larkin >>> <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in
<tuu1bj9bvd05ru71a219scdql4fp0nijq4@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 05 Aug 24 16:10:54 UTC, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 8/5/2024 11:26 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 05 Aug 24 04:42:24 UTC, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 8/3/2024 5:47 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 17:18:33 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 12:32:23 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
<snip>
Should not be a problem to wipe out that US .
:-)
Of course it would be even easier to wipe out the United Provinces of
the Netherlands - you don't even need nukes to blow holes in a few
dikes, and the sea will do the rest.
Submerge ASML and the western chip industry is down the tubes.
https://www.rt.com/india/602201-india-semiconductor-manufacturing/
if blocked try
89.191.237.192
quote:
"
India’s Tata Electronics has begun the construction of a new $3.2 billion semiconductor plant,
which is expected to generate 27,000 jobs.
The plant will be located in Assam, the largest of the states in India’s northeast,
and produce over 48 million chips per day using locally-developed technologies,
India’s electronics and information technology minister has said.
The plant has already hired around 1,000 locals for the project,
Tata chairperson N. Chandrasekaran said at the ‘bhumi pujan’ ceremony
(a Hindu ritual performed ahead of construction) for the plant.
The facility is expected to generate 15,000 direct and 11,000 to 13,000 indirect jobs when it opens, he said.
"
What ASML does is likely copied in a short while.
US tries to stop ASML from supplying China with the latest chip tech.
As to US, it will either be nuked into oblivion or self-destruct, maybe even both.
Competing against India is a no-go for that US.
Today they were babbling about a pre-emptive strike on Iran.
Bunch of lunatics, US mafia...
Much of it is without power now after the latest storm in Florida
a lot will be under-water soon.
No need for bombs.
Nature.
So many empires came and went, some because of climate changes.
On Tue, 06 Aug 2024 05:54:51 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 05 Aug 2024 09:30:50 -0700) it happened John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in
<tuu1bj9bvd05ru71a219scdql4fp0nijq4@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 05 Aug 24 16:10:54 UTC, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 8/5/2024 11:26 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 05 Aug 24 04:42:24 UTC, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 8/3/2024 5:47 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 17:18:33 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> >>>>>>> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 12:32:23 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
And crap weapons it makes, there are people here protesting against the horrible noise the F35 makes that we bougt (our CIA controlled polly ticksians did)
What a piece of shit that F35
Should not be a problem to wipe out that US .
:-)
A lot of countries are buying F35s.
On Tue, 06 Aug 2024 05:54:51 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 05 Aug 2024 09:30:50 -0700) it happened John Larkin >><jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in >><tuu1bj9bvd05ru71a219scdql4fp0nijq4@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 05 Aug 24 16:10:54 UTC, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:Markets..
On 8/5/2024 11:26 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 05 Aug 24 04:42:24 UTC, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 8/3/2024 5:47 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 17:18:33 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> >>>>>>> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 12:32:23 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/08/02/the-resurrection-of-intel-will-take-more-than-three-days/?td=rt-3a
Looks like they wrecked Altera.
And hung onto the Intel '86 architecture a tad too tightly, for far >>>>>>>> too long.
Joe Gwinn
Yes, it's an ancient dog. It's immensely complex to push the X86 >>>>>>> architecture for speed, hence the power consumption and all the bugs. >>>>>>>
This poor bugger:
<https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/1ehjuzj/i_bought_700k_worth_of_intel_stock_today/>
Since its peak in 2024, Intel stock has lost 2/3 of its value.
About 1/3rd of that in the past 3 days..
Sorry, I meant 2022.
Intel is like Kodak and Polaroid and Xerox, fixated on their own aging >>>technology. Intel missed the boat big-time on EUV, so it's hilarious
that they project big revenues in the foundry business.
Intel has done $152 billion in stock buybacks, instead of investing in >>>their own business. Now they need government subsidies.
https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/intel-subsidy-chips-act-stock-buyback >>
My Intel core I5 laptop is still much much faster than my ARM based Raspberry Pi4 8 GB
And even my old AMD 64 PCs are...
I do not realy like ARM architecture.
But things are changing" what's his name? just sold large parts of his Apple stock:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/article/2024/aug/03/berkshire-hathaway-warren-buffett-sells-off-apple-increases-cash-holdings
Writing bloat to sell more hardware is a silly game.
As silly as 'very old saying Archie? 'Do not fix it if it is not broken'
We had, at one time, a few guys doing 'preventive maintenance'
on electronic equipment in the studio.
Well some interesting fault finding required after that, my boss got stuck... >>I fixed it in 10 minutes the next morning, the 'preventive maintenace' group had not properly tighened a PL259 connector,
ground screen was loose
interference impulses everywhere (was fast tacho pulse cable).
US financial system, dollar value, I think the old plan was to inflate the debt away.
But grabbing Iranian oil could pay some US debt.
Follow the money
So have that notanyyahoo provoke as much war as possible to create a reason to invade Iran, sell more weapons,
even maybe go as far as to get Russia on line give it YouCrane
Its all games US plays.
This time it will not work, too many real nukes everywhere, US is so small, take a globe and look the ratio of noise the US
makes versus the rest of the world. compared to surface area..
Russia China Pakistan India all have their nukes... Probably some more N Korea...
Invade Iran for some silly lie, like George Double You Booooooos did for weapons of mass destruction that did not really exist
in Iraq
more war crmes, Japan nuking, Afganistan, Korea, just a weapon manufacturer tha tUS is, and it even kills its own peole with
thsoe all the time.
Criminal, genocide, no matter what.
And crap weapons it makes, there are people here protesting against the horrible noise the F35 makes that we bougt (our CIA
controlled polly ticksians did)
What a piece of shit that F35
Should not be a problem to wipe out that US .
:-)
A lot of countries are buying F35s.
On 7/08/2024 12:22 am, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 7 Aug 2024 00:06:25 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <v8tal5$1kdg6$1@dont-email.me>:
On 6/08/2024 3:54 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 05 Aug 2024 09:30:50 -0700) it happened John Larkin >>>> <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in
<tuu1bj9bvd05ru71a219scdql4fp0nijq4@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 05 Aug 24 16:10:54 UTC, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 8/5/2024 11:26 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 05 Aug 24 04:42:24 UTC, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>>
On 8/3/2024 5:47 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 17:18:33 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 12:32:23 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
<snip>
Should not be a problem to wipe out that US .
:-)
Of course it would be even easier to wipe out the United Provinces of
the Netherlands - you don't even need nukes to blow holes in a few
dikes, and the sea will do the rest.
Submerge ASML and the western chip industry is down the tubes.
https://www.rt.com/india/602201-india-semiconductor-manufacturing/
if blocked try
89.191.237.192
quote:
"
India’s Tata Electronics has begun the construction of a new $3.2 billion semiconductor plant,
which is expected to generate 27,000 jobs.
The plant will be located in Assam, the largest of the states in India’s northeast,
and produce over 48 million chips per day using locally-developed technologies,
India’s electronics and information technology minister has said.
The plant has already hired around 1,000 locals for the project,
Tata chairperson N. Chandrasekaran said at the ‘bhumi pujan’ ceremony >> (a Hindu ritual performed ahead of construction) for the plant.
The facility is expected to generate 15,000 direct and 11,000 to 13,000 indirect jobs when it opens, he said.
"
What ASML does is likely copied in a short while.
Perhaps not. What Phil Hobbs recent book revealed is that it isn't easy
to copy or improve. It's bound to happen eventually, but "a short while"
is unrealistic (like most of Jan's claims).
US tries to stop ASML from supplying China with the latest chip tech.
As to US, it will either be nuked into oblivion or self-destruct, maybe even both.
Competing against India is a no-go for that US.
Today they were babbling about a pre-emptive strike on Iran.
Bunch of lunatics, US mafia...
Much of it is without power now after the latest storm in Florida
a lot will be under-water soon.
No need for bombs.
Nature.
The Dutch have been resisting nature for quite a while now, since long
before the United Provinces got united under William the Silent.
So many empires came and went, some because of climate changes.
But very few because of climate changes that they initiated, and could >reverse. And the US isn't any kind of empire, any more than the first
Dutch Republic was.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
--
This email has been checked for viruses by Norton antivirus software. >www.norton.com
On Tue, 06 Aug 2024 14:22:51 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 7 Aug 2024 00:06:25 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman >><bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <v8tal5$1kdg6$1@dont-email.me>:
On 6/08/2024 3:54 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 05 Aug 2024 09:30:50 -0700) it happened John Larkin >>>> <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in
<tuu1bj9bvd05ru71a219scdql4fp0nijq4@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 05 Aug 24 16:10:54 UTC, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 8/5/2024 11:26 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 05 Aug 24 04:42:24 UTC, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>>
On 8/3/2024 5:47 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 17:18:33 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 12:32:23 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
<snip>
Should not be a problem to wipe out that US .
:-)
Of course it would be even easier to wipe out the United Provinces of
the Netherlands - you don't even need nukes to blow holes in a few
dikes, and the sea will do the rest.
Submerge ASML and the western chip industry is down the tubes.
https://www.rt.com/india/602201-india-semiconductor-manufacturing/
if blocked try
89.191.237.192
quote:
"
India’s Tata Electronics has begun the construction of a new $3.2 billion semiconductor plant,
which is expected to generate 27,000 jobs.
The plant will be located in Assam, the largest of the states in India’s northeast,
and produce over 48 million chips per day using locally-developed technologies,
India’s electronics and information technology minister has said.
The plant has already hired around 1,000 locals for the project,
Tata chairperson N. Chandrasekaran said at the ‘bhumi pujan’ ceremony
(a Hindu ritual performed ahead of construction) for the plant.
The facility is expected to generate 15,000 direct and 11,000 to 13,000 indirect jobs when it opens, he said.
"
What ASML does is likely copied in a short while
The Japanese tried EUV and gave up. They seem to be doing OK in DUV.
Incidentally, Cymer in San Diego developed the first practical EUV >lithography, and ASML bought it.
On a sunny day (Wed, 7 Aug 2024 12:44:48 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <v8un36$250b3$1@dont-email.me>:
On 7/08/2024 12:22 am, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 7 Aug 2024 00:06:25 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <v8tal5$1kdg6$1@dont-email.me>:
On 6/08/2024 3:54 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 05 Aug 2024 09:30:50 -0700) it happened John Larkin >>>>> <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in
<tuu1bj9bvd05ru71a219scdql4fp0nijq4@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 05 Aug 24 16:10:54 UTC, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 8/5/2024 11:26 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 05 Aug 24 04:42:24 UTC, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>
On 8/3/2024 5:47 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 17:18:33 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 12:32:23 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
<snip>
Should not be a problem to wipe out that US .
:-)
Of course it would be even easier to wipe out the United Provinces of
the Netherlands - you don't even need nukes to blow holes in a few
dikes, and the sea will do the rest.
Submerge ASML and the western chip industry is down the tubes.
https://www.rt.com/india/602201-india-semiconductor-manufacturing/
if blocked try
89.191.237.192
quote:
"
India’s Tata Electronics has begun the construction of a new $3.2 billion semiconductor plant,
which is expected to generate 27,000 jobs.
The plant will be located in Assam, the largest of the states in India’s northeast,
and produce over 48 million chips per day using locally-developed technologies,
India’s electronics and information technology minister has said.
The plant has already hired around 1,000 locals for the project,
Tata chairperson N. Chandrasekaran said at the ‘bhumi pujan’ ceremony
(a Hindu ritual performed ahead of construction) for the plant.
The facility is expected to generate 15,000 direct and 11,000 to 13,000 indirect jobs when it opens, he said.
"
What ASML does is likely copied in a short while.
Perhaps not. What Phil Hobbs recent book revealed is that it isn't easy
to copy or improve. It's bound to happen eventually, but "a short while"
is unrealistic (like most of Jan's claims).
US tries to stop ASML from supplying China with the latest chip tech. >>>
As to US, it will either be nuked into oblivion or self-destruct, maybe even both.
Competing against India is a no-go for that US.
Today they were babbling about a pre-emptive strike on Iran.
Bunch of lunatics, US mafia...
Much of it is without power now after the latest storm in Florida
a lot will be under-water soon.
No need for bombs.
Nature.
The Dutch have been resisting nature for quite a while now, since long
before the United Provinces got united under William the Silent.
Right, higher IQ helps
So many empires came and went, some because of climate changes.
But very few because of climate changes that they initiated, and could
reverse. And the US isn't any kind of empire, any more than the first
Dutch Republic was.
Look up this:
http://old.world-mysteries.com/alignments/mpl_al3b.htm
The Al Gore sales crap that we caused it all, is just a way to sell more, often useless, stuff
and break all good things.
We need to bring all energy sources online to be able to cope (aircos, safe underground places perhaps) with a changing climate
Else mass migration and mass death of human beings is pre-programmmed.
Human species could be decimated by 90 % or more...
In the end we will have to reach for other planets, give up on wasting time circling the earth.
Maybe some will adapt... people adapt to high altitude, to cold (eskimos)... In the end life is everywhere in the universe and this species may well come to an end
All is connected though...
Just one big organism this universe is?
And what is beyond, we know nothing, like an ant in the garden has no clue of the architects that designed and build the houses,
the roads that were planned and build, the ships.. but use those to spread around the world,
some dangerous species, like humming-beans spread that way too.
On 7/08/2024 4:26 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 7 Aug 2024 12:44:48 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <v8un36$250b3$1@dont-email.me>:
On 7/08/2024 12:22 am, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 7 Aug 2024 00:06:25 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman >>>> <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <v8tal5$1kdg6$1@dont-email.me>:
On 6/08/2024 3:54 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 05 Aug 2024 09:30:50 -0700) it happened John Larkin >>>>>> <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in
<tuu1bj9bvd05ru71a219scdql4fp0nijq4@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 05 Aug 24 16:10:54 UTC, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>>
On 8/5/2024 11:26 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 05 Aug 24 04:42:24 UTC, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>
On 8/3/2024 5:47 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 17:18:33 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 12:32:23 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
<snip>
Should not be a problem to wipe out that US .
:-)
Of course it would be even easier to wipe out the United Provinces of >>>>> the Netherlands - you don't even need nukes to blow holes in a few
dikes, and the sea will do the rest.
Submerge ASML and the western chip industry is down the tubes.
https://www.rt.com/india/602201-india-semiconductor-manufacturing/
if blocked try
89.191.237.192
quote:
"
India’s Tata Electronics has begun the construction of a new $3.2 billion semiconductor plant,
which is expected to generate 27,000 jobs.
The plant will be located in Assam, the largest of the states in India’s northeast,
and produce over 48 million chips per day using locally-developed technologies,
India’s electronics and information technology minister has said. >>>> The plant has already hired around 1,000 locals for the project,
Tata chairperson N. Chandrasekaran said at the ‘bhumi pujan’ ceremony
(a Hindu ritual performed ahead of construction) for the plant.
The facility is expected to generate 15,000 direct and 11,000 to 13,000 indirect jobs when it opens, he said.
"
What ASML does is likely copied in a short while.
Perhaps not. What Phil Hobbs recent book revealed is that it isn't easy
to copy or improve. It's bound to happen eventually, but "a short while" >>> is unrealistic (like most of Jan's claims).
US tries to stop ASML from supplying China with the latest chip tech. >>>>
As to US, it will either be nuked into oblivion or self-destruct, maybe even both.
Competing against India is a no-go for that US.
Today they were babbling about a pre-emptive strike on Iran.
Bunch of lunatics, US mafia...
Much of it is without power now after the latest storm in Florida
a lot will be under-water soon.
No need for bombs.
Nature.
The Dutch have been resisting nature for quite a while now, since long
before the United Provinces got united under William the Silent.
Right, higher IQ helps
Not that the Netherlands can claim that. Jan certainly can't.
So many empires came and went, some because of climate changes.
But very few because of climate changes that they initiated, and could
reverse. And the US isn't any kind of empire, any more than the first
Dutch Republic was.
Look up this:
http://old.world-mysteries.com/alignments/mpl_al3b.htm
Don't bother. It's totally irrelevant to the climate change we are now >seeing. It does have something to do to with Milankovich cycles, but
https://science.nasa.gov/science-research/earth-science/why-milankovitch-orbital-cycles-cant-explain-earths-current-warming/
The Al Gore sales crap that we caused it all, is just a way to sell more, often useless, stuff
and break all good things.
Or so Jan likes to think - or rather that's what the fossil carbon
extraction industry want's him to think.
We need to bring all energy sources online to be able to cope (aircos, safe underground places perhaps) with a changing
climate
Else mass migration and mass death of human beings is pre-programmmed.
It isn't.
Human species could be decimated by 90 % or more...
And pigs might fly
In the end we will have to reach for other planets, give up on wasting time circling the earth.
Maybe some will adapt... people adapt to high altitude, to cold (eskimos)... >> In the end life is everywhere in the universe and this species may well come to an end
All is connected though...
Just one big organism this universe is?
And what is beyond, we know nothing, like an ant in the garden has no clue of the architects that designed and build the
houses,
the roads that were planned and build, the ships.. but use those to spread around the world,
some dangerous species, like humming-beans spread that way too.
On a sunny day (Wed, 7 Aug 2024 17:40:39 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <v8v8dt$29iuv$2@dont-email.me>:
On 7/08/2024 4:26 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 7 Aug 2024 12:44:48 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <v8un36$250b3$1@dont-email.me>:
On 7/08/2024 12:22 am, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 7 Aug 2024 00:06:25 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman >>>>> <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <v8tal5$1kdg6$1@dont-email.me>:
On 6/08/2024 3:54 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 05 Aug 2024 09:30:50 -0700) it happened John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in
<tuu1bj9bvd05ru71a219scdql4fp0nijq4@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 05 Aug 24 16:10:54 UTC, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>
On 8/5/2024 11:26 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 05 Aug 24 04:42:24 UTC, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>
On 8/3/2024 5:47 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 17:18:33 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 12:32:23 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
<snip>
Should not be a problem to wipe out that US .
:-)
Of course it would be even easier to wipe out the United Provinces of >>>>>> the Netherlands - you don't even need nukes to blow holes in a few >>>>>> dikes, and the sea will do the rest.
Submerge ASML and the western chip industry is down the tubes.
https://www.rt.com/india/602201-india-semiconductor-manufacturing/
if blocked try
89.191.237.192
quote:
"
India’s Tata Electronics has begun the construction of a new $3.2 billion semiconductor plant,
which is expected to generate 27,000 jobs.
The plant will be located in Assam, the largest of the states in India’s northeast,
and produce over 48 million chips per day using locally-developed technologies,
India’s electronics and information technology minister has said. >>>>> The plant has already hired around 1,000 locals for the project, >>>>> Tata chairperson N. Chandrasekaran said at the ‘bhumi pujan’ ceremony
(a Hindu ritual performed ahead of construction) for the plant.
The facility is expected to generate 15,000 direct and 11,000 to 13,000 indirect jobs when it opens, he said.
"
What ASML does is likely copied in a short while.
Perhaps not. What Phil Hobbs recent book revealed is that it isn't easy >>>> to copy or improve. It's bound to happen eventually, but "a short while" >>>> is unrealistic (like most of Jan's claims).
US tries to stop ASML from supplying China with the latest chip tech. >>>>>
As to US, it will either be nuked into oblivion or self-destruct, maybe even both.
Competing against India is a no-go for that US.
Today they were babbling about a pre-emptive strike on Iran.
Bunch of lunatics, US mafia...
Much of it is without power now after the latest storm in Florida
a lot will be under-water soon.
No need for bombs.
Nature.
The Dutch have been resisting nature for quite a while now, since long >>>> before the United Provinces got united under William the Silent.
Right, higher IQ helps
Not that the Netherlands can claim that. Jan certainly can't.
So many empires came and went, some because of climate changes.
But very few because of climate changes that they initiated, and could >>>> reverse. And the US isn't any kind of empire, any more than the first
Dutch Republic was.
Look up this:
http://old.world-mysteries.com/alignments/mpl_al3b.htm
Don't bother. It's totally irrelevant to the climate change we are now
seeing. It does have something to do to with Milankovich cycles, but
https://science.nasa.gov/science-research/earth-science/why-milankovitch-orbital-cycles-cant-explain-earths-current-warming/
There is a lot NASA cannot explain as it is a pawn in the game of a big industry and locked in dumbness by
dancing to the tune of poly-ticsians some of which are religious biased to the point of poining out that earth was created 4000 years ago,
species Kamala is derived for Adam who did it with Eve, Pi is 4 and what not..
When life is detected on Mars by their own experiment they deny it so as to keep funding by them religious fanatoc freaks going:
http://www.gillevin.com/
A little while ago (in cosmic terms) there was the little ice age.
There is a lot to read here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age
So fast variations in temperature over short times (several hundred years) and the fact we are now in a solar sunspot maximum
helps sell the Al Gore crap.
Generations are now brought up who glue themselves to the ground blocking normal activity that HELPS
us cope with life, they claim to 'save the earth' In fact they are too dumb to even know how to connect a light bulb.
All should be sent to a re-eductation camp as the Gore crap and CO2 crap polluted their brains and yours.
The Al Gore sales crap that we caused it all, is just a way to sell more, often useless, stuff
and break all good things.
Or so Jan likes to think - or rather that's what the fossil carbon
extraction industry want's him to think.
We need to bring all energy sources online to be able to cope (aircos, safe underground places perhaps) with a changing
climate
Else mass migration and mass death of human beings is pre-programmmed.
It isn't.
Human species could be decimated by 90 % or more...
And pigs might fly
Easy
book a flight for those, AS LONG AS AIRPLANES ARE STILL ALLOWED BY THOSE CLIMATE IDIOTS
now they already screw up flights by glueing themselves to the runways..
On 7/08/2024 9:32 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 7 Aug 2024 17:40:39 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <v8v8dt$29iuv$2@dont-email.me>:
On 7/08/2024 4:26 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 7 Aug 2024 12:44:48 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman >>>> <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <v8un36$250b3$1@dont-email.me>:
On 7/08/2024 12:22 am, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 7 Aug 2024 00:06:25 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman >>>>>> <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <v8tal5$1kdg6$1@dont-email.me>:
On 6/08/2024 3:54 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 05 Aug 2024 09:30:50 -0700) it happened John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in
<tuu1bj9bvd05ru71a219scdql4fp0nijq4@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 05 Aug 24 16:10:54 UTC, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>
On 8/5/2024 11:26 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 05 Aug 24 04:42:24 UTC, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>
On 8/3/2024 5:47 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 17:18:33 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 12:32:23 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
<snip>
Should not be a problem to wipe out that US .
:-)
Of course it would be even easier to wipe out the United Provinces of >>>>>>> the Netherlands - you don't even need nukes to blow holes in a few >>>>>>> dikes, and the sea will do the rest.
Submerge ASML and the western chip industry is down the tubes.
https://www.rt.com/india/602201-india-semiconductor-manufacturing/ >>>>>> if blocked try
89.191.237.192
quote:
"
India’s Tata Electronics has begun the construction of a new $3.2 billion semiconductor plant,
which is expected to generate 27,000 jobs.
The plant will be located in Assam, the largest of the states in India’s northeast,
and produce over 48 million chips per day using locally-developed technologies,
India’s electronics and information technology minister has said. >>>>>> The plant has already hired around 1,000 locals for the project, >>>>>> Tata chairperson N. Chandrasekaran said at the ‘bhumi pujan’ ceremony
(a Hindu ritual performed ahead of construction) for the plant. >>>>>> The facility is expected to generate 15,000 direct and 11,000 to 13,000 indirect jobs when it opens, he said.
"
What ASML does is likely copied in a short while.
Perhaps not. What Phil Hobbs recent book revealed is that it isn't easy >>>>> to copy or improve. It's bound to happen eventually, but "a short while" >>>>> is unrealistic (like most of Jan's claims).
US tries to stop ASML from supplying China with the latest chip tech.
As to US, it will either be nuked into oblivion or self-destruct, maybe even both.
Competing against India is a no-go for that US.
Today they were babbling about a pre-emptive strike on Iran.
Bunch of lunatics, US mafia...
Much of it is without power now after the latest storm in Florida
a lot will be under-water soon.
No need for bombs.
Nature.
The Dutch have been resisting nature for quite a while now, since long >>>>> before the United Provinces got united under William the Silent.
Right, higher IQ helps
Not that the Netherlands can claim that. Jan certainly can't.
So many empires came and went, some because of climate changes.
But very few because of climate changes that they initiated, and could >>>>> reverse. And the US isn't any kind of empire, any more than the first >>>>> Dutch Republic was.
Look up this:
http://old.world-mysteries.com/alignments/mpl_al3b.htm
Don't bother. It's totally irrelevant to the climate change we are now
seeing. It does have something to do to with Milankovich cycles, but
https://science.nasa.gov/science-research/earth-science/why-milankovitch-orbital-cycles-cant-explain-earths-current-warming/
There is a lot NASA cannot explain as it is a pawn in the game of a big industry and locked in dumbness by
dancing to the tune of poly-ticsians some of which are religious biased to the point of poining out that earth was created
4000 years ago,
species Kamala is derived for Adam who did it with Eve, Pi is 4 and what not..
When life is detected on Mars by their own experiment they deny it so as to keep funding by them religious fanatoc freaks
going:
http://www.gillevin.com/
A little while ago (in cosmic terms) there was the little ice age.
There is a lot to read here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age
So fast variations in temperature over short times (several hundred years) and the fact we are now in a solar sunspot maximum
helps sell the Al Gore crap.
Twaddle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maunder_Minimum
It doesn't seem to have any effect on the earth's climate. The little
ice age was pretty much confined to the north Atlantic region, so it has >nothing to do with global warming or cooling - despite the crap you try
to peddle.
Generations are now brought up who glue themselves to the ground blocking normal activity that HELPS
us cope with life, they claim to 'save the earth' In fact they are too dumb to even know how to connect a light bulb.
All should be sent to a re-eductation camp as the Gore crap and CO2 crap polluted their brains and yours.
Somebody who believes what he reads in the Daily Telegraph and Russia
Today hasn't got a brain to pollute. You are as silly as Cursitor Doom.
The Al Gore sales crap that we caused it all, is just a way to sell more, often useless, stuff
and break all good things.
Or so Jan likes to think - or rather that's what the fossil carbon
extraction industry want's him to think.
We need to bring all energy sources online to be able to cope (aircos, safe underground places perhaps) with a changing
climate
Else mass migration and mass death of human beings is pre-programmmed.
It isn't.
Human species could be decimated by 90 % or more...
And pigs might fly
Easy
book a flight for those, AS LONG AS AIRPLANES ARE STILL ALLOWED BY THOSE CLIMATE IDIOTS
now they already screw up flights by glueing themselves to the runways..
Really? Where? You do invent a lot of nonsense.
On a sunny day (Wed, 7 Aug 2024 23:28:00 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <v8vsp7$338jk$1@dont-email.me>:
On 7/08/2024 9:32 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 7 Aug 2024 17:40:39 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <v8v8dt$29iuv$2@dont-email.me>:
On 7/08/2024 4:26 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 7 Aug 2024 12:44:48 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman >>>>> <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <v8un36$250b3$1@dont-email.me>:
On 7/08/2024 12:22 am, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 7 Aug 2024 00:06:25 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman >>>>>>> <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <v8tal5$1kdg6$1@dont-email.me>:
On 6/08/2024 3:54 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 05 Aug 2024 09:30:50 -0700) it happened John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in
<tuu1bj9bvd05ru71a219scdql4fp0nijq4@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 05 Aug 24 16:10:54 UTC, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>
On 8/5/2024 11:26 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 05 Aug 24 04:42:24 UTC, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>
On 8/3/2024 5:47 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 17:18:33 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 12:32:23 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
<snip>
Should not be a problem to wipe out that US .
:-)
Of course it would be even easier to wipe out the United Provinces of >>>>>>>> the Netherlands - you don't even need nukes to blow holes in a few >>>>>>>> dikes, and the sea will do the rest.
Submerge ASML and the western chip industry is down the tubes.
https://www.rt.com/india/602201-india-semiconductor-manufacturing/ >>>>>>> if blocked try
89.191.237.192
quote:
"
India’s Tata Electronics has begun the construction of a new $3.2 billion semiconductor plant,
which is expected to generate 27,000 jobs.
The plant will be located in Assam, the largest of the states in India’s northeast,
and produce over 48 million chips per day using locally-developed technologies,
India’s electronics and information technology minister has said.
The plant has already hired around 1,000 locals for the project, >>>>>>> Tata chairperson N. Chandrasekaran said at the ‘bhumi pujan’ ceremony
(a Hindu ritual performed ahead of construction) for the plant. >>>>>>> The facility is expected to generate 15,000 direct and 11,000 to 13,000 indirect jobs when it opens, he said.
"
What ASML does is likely copied in a short while.
Perhaps not. What Phil Hobbs recent book revealed is that it isn't easy >>>>>> to copy or improve. It's bound to happen eventually, but "a short while" >>>>>> is unrealistic (like most of Jan's claims).
US tries to stop ASML from supplying China with the latest chip tech.
As to US, it will either be nuked into oblivion or self-destruct, maybe even both.
Competing against India is a no-go for that US.
Today they were babbling about a pre-emptive strike on Iran.
Bunch of lunatics, US mafia...
Much of it is without power now after the latest storm in Florida >>>>>>> a lot will be under-water soon.
No need for bombs.
Nature.
The Dutch have been resisting nature for quite a while now, since long >>>>>> before the United Provinces got united under William the Silent.
Right, higher IQ helps
Not that the Netherlands can claim that. Jan certainly can't.
So many empires came and went, some because of climate changes.
But very few because of climate changes that they initiated, and could >>>>>> reverse. And the US isn't any kind of empire, any more than the first >>>>>> Dutch Republic was.
Look up this:
http://old.world-mysteries.com/alignments/mpl_al3b.htm
Don't bother. It's totally irrelevant to the climate change we are now >>>> seeing. It does have something to do to with Milankovich cycles, but
i
https://science.nasa.gov/science-research/earth-science/why-milankovitch-orbital-cycles-cant-explain-earths-current-warming/
There is a lot NASA cannot explain as it is a pawn in the game of a big industry and locked in dumbness by
dancing to the tune of poly-ticsians some of which are religious biased to the point of poining out that earth was created
4000 years ago,
species Kamala is derived for Adam who did it with Eve, Pi is 4 and what not..
When life is detected on Mars by their own experiment they deny it so as to keep funding by them religious fanatoc freaks
going:
http://www.gillevin.com/
A little while ago (in cosmic terms) there was the little ice age.
There is a lot to read here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age
So fast variations in temperature over short times (several hundred years) and the fact we are now in a solar sunspot maximum
helps sell the Al Gore crap.
Twaddle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maunder_Minimum
It doesn't seem to have any effect on the earth's climate. The little
ice age was pretty much confined to the north Atlantic region, so it has
nothing to do with global warming or cooling - despite the crap you try
to peddle.
Try reading it anyways, you see for example that when it was cold and food got scarce, witches were burned
Helped the church perhaps (it uses fiction to manipulate and control people and suck people for money), or sellers of wood.
Now those temperature changes are blamed on CO2.
CO2 / witches.. what's next?
If you DID read it you would see it largely WAS global.
Generations are now brought up who glue themselves to the ground blocking normal activity that HELPS
us cope with life, they claim to 'save the earth' In fact they are too dumb to even know how to connect a light bulb.
All should be sent to a re-eductation camp as the Gore crap and CO2 crap polluted their brains and yours.
Somebody who believes what he reads in the Daily Telegraph and Russia
Today hasn't got a brain to pollute. You are as silly as Cursitor Doom.
The Al Gore sales crap that we caused it all, is just a way to sell more, often useless, stuff
and break all good things.
Or so Jan likes to think - or rather that's what the fossil carbon
extraction industry want's him to think.
We need to bring all energy sources online to be able to cope (aircos, safe underground places perhaps) with a changingIt isn't.
climate
Else mass migration and mass death of human beings is pre-programmmed. >>>>
Human species could be decimated by 90 % or more...
And pigs might fly
Easy
book a flight for those, AS LONG AS AIRPLANES ARE STILL ALLOWED BY THOSE CLIMATE IDIOTS
now they already screw up flights by glueing themselves to the runways..
Really? Where? You do invent a lot of nonsense.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-e&q=climate+activist+block+german+airport+by+glueing
Learn to use google, its not that hard for most human beings.
And while you are at it, see that CO2 LAGGED warmer periods in the long ago past:
http://www.co2science.org/articles/V6/N26/EDIT.php
has some references.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-e&q=climate+activist+block+german+airport+by+glueing
Learn to use google, its not that hard for most human beings.
That instance of the idiot behavior didn't stop many flights, and it's
very unlikely to work a second time.
And while you are at it, see that CO2 LAGGED warmer periods in the long ago past:
http://www.co2science.org/articles/V6/N26/EDIT.php
has some references.
None of which you understand. The Milankovich effect works mainly by
changing snow cover and thus the Earth's albedo. Colder oceans absorb
more CO2 so the atmospheric CO2 level is a lagging indicator.
At the moment we are driving global warming by dumping more CO2 in the >atmosphere, so it is a leading indicator.
It's a different situation so the timings are different.
the Munich airport Saturday and glued themselves to access routeshttps://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-e&q=climate+activist+block+german+airport+by+glueing>>>
Learn to use google, its not that hard for most human beings.
That instance of the idiot behavior didn't stop many flights, and it's
very unlikely to work a second time.
That already happened 3 times now:
18 mei 2024 · Six climate activists broke through a security fence at
Like I pointed out, learn to use google, most humming beans know howto use it, might work for your species too :-)
long ago past:>>> http://www.co2science.org/articles/V6/N26/EDIT.phpAnd while you are at it, see that CO2 LAGGED warmer periods in the
the atmosphere, so it is a leading indicator.>>has some references.
None of which you understand. The Milankovich effect works mainly by
changing snow cover and thus the Earth's albedo. Colder oceans absorb
more CO2 so the atmospheric CO2 level is a lagging indicator.
At the moment we are driving global warming by dumping more CO2 in
cook food.> Sure there were far less people back then but making moreIt's a different situation, so the timings are different.
Look up that recent cold period again, everybody was burning wood to
It is all about the Sun's activity.
And maybe also what our solar system and even our galaxy is movingthrough in space.
Denial of reality is what the earth is flat crowd, the sun orbits theearth crowd, the CO2 causes glow ball worming crowd, the space is curved
Without all the real tech they object to they would not have beenborn, had a place to live, or food to eat.
Same for dismantling the nuclear plants when that female leader namedAngela Merkel? was in power in Germany,> now they finally discovered the
She was probably a CIA clown, CIA wants no nuke plants in Germanyafraid they will make a bomb or two to free Europe from NATO?
To free the world from genocide committing you wish scum?
Ok, but maybe you - upside down- in sit knee see thing inverted...
urity fence atthe Munich airport Saturday and glued themselves to access routes
leading to runways ...> 24 jul 2024 · Climate activists glue themselves
to a taxiway at Cologne-Bonn Airport> 25 jul 2024 · Frankfurt airport >suspends flights after climate protesters block ... Six protesters
glued themselves to a taxiway, according to activist group ...
In message <v9742l$g8ue$1@dont-email.me>, Bill Sloman
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> writes
urity fence atthe Munich airport Saturday and glued themselves to access routes
leading to runways ...> 24 jul 2024 · Climate activists glue themselves
to a taxiway at Cologne-Bonn Airport> 25 jul 2024 · Frankfurt airport >>suspends flights after climate protesters block ... Six protesters
glued themselves to a taxiway, according to activist group ...
I wonder what sort of glue -sorry bonding agent, they use ? I can never
get anything to stick reliably.
Brian
On Mon, 12 Aug 2024 13:24:09 +0100, brian <nospam@b-howie.co.uk>
wrote:
In message <v9742l$g8ue$1@dont-email.me>, Bill Sloman
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> writes
urity fence atthe Munich airport Saturday and glued themselves to access routes
leading to runways ...> 24 jul 2024 ú Climate activists glue themselves
to a taxiway at Cologne-Bonn Airport> 25 jul 2024 ú Frankfurt airport
suspends flights after climate protesters block ... Six protesters
glued themselves to a taxiway, according to activist group ...
I wonder what sort of glue -sorry bonding agent, they use ? I can never
get anything to stick reliably.
Brian
How do they get un-glued?
On Tue, 06 Aug 2024 14:22:51 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 7 Aug 2024 00:06:25 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman >><bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <v8tal5$1kdg6$1@dont-email.me>:India’s northeast,
On 6/08/2024 3:54 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 05 Aug 2024 09:30:50 -0700) it happened John Larkin >>>> <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in
<tuu1bj9bvd05ru71a219scdql4fp0nijq4@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 05 Aug 24 16:10:54 UTC, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 8/5/2024 11:26 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 05 Aug 24 04:42:24 UTC, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>>
On 8/3/2024 5:47 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 17:18:33 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 12:32:23 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
<snip>
Should not be a problem to wipe out that US .
:-)
Of course it would be even easier to wipe out the United Provinces of
the Netherlands - you don't even need nukes to blow holes in a few
dikes, and the sea will do the rest.
Submerge ASML and the western chip industry is down the tubes.
https://www.rt.com/india/602201-india-semiconductor-manufacturing/
if blocked try
89.191.237.192
quote:
"
India’s Tata Electronics has begun the construction of a new $3.2 >billion semiconductor plant,
which is expected to generate 27,000 jobs.
The plant will be located in Assam, the largest of the states in
and produce over 48 million chips per day using locally-developed >technologies,13,000 indirect jobs when it opens, he said.
India’s electronics and information technology minister has said.
The plant has already hired around 1,000 locals for the project,
Tata chairperson N. Chandrasekaran said at the ‘bhumi pujan’ ceremony
(a Hindu ritual performed ahead of construction) for the plant.
The facility is expected to generate 15,000 direct and 11,000 to
"
What ASML does is likely copied in a short while
The Japanese tried EUV and gave up. They seem to be doing OK in DUV.
Incidentally, Cymer in San Diego developed the first practical EUV >lithography, and ASML bought it.
In article <f4h4bj10ccsmcjsqjasj5hgibhlvu6nq5h@4ax.com>,
John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
On Tue, 06 Aug 2024 14:22:51 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 7 Aug 2024 00:06:25 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <v8tal5$1kdg6$1@dont-email.me>:
On 6/08/2024 3:54 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 05 Aug 2024 09:30:50 -0700) it happened John Larkin >>>>> <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in
<tuu1bj9bvd05ru71a219scdql4fp0nijq4@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 05 Aug 24 16:10:54 UTC, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 8/5/2024 11:26 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 05 Aug 24 04:42:24 UTC, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>
On 8/3/2024 5:47 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 17:18:33 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 12:32:23 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
What ASML does is likely copied in a short while.
The Japanese tried EUV and gave up. They seem to be doing OK in DUV.
Incidentally, Cymer in San Diego developed the first practical EUV
lithography, and ASML bought it.
I think EUV is too complicated and there is no path forward from
there. If a new technique is invented, that is probably by the Chinese.
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