• relevation_physics

    From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 25 04:30:50 2024
    relevation_physics
    Was watching old video, early morning
    Thinking about why we cannot measure size of electron (still unknown)
    Then wondered if I could make something mechanical that would behave like electon,
    say 2 repel each other etc..
    Thinking plasma, but hard to make.
    Then thinking magnets, but must be 3D.
    So a constructon of many magnets with say N poles tied together and south poles at the outside
    So then thought so much force needed to hold those north poles together..
    Then 'relevation'!! BLACK HOLE
    at he center, much to do these days about femto scale black holes all over the universe..
    Then construction, would I use needles for a demo ball made of thousand magnetic needles,
    like strings.. STRINGS shit oh man I'v got it.

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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Tue Jun 25 17:16:43 2024
    On 25/06/2024 2:30 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    relevation_physics
    Was watching old video, early morning
    Thinking about why we cannot measure size of electron (still unknown)
    Then wondered if I could make something mechanical that would behave like electon,
    say 2 repel each other etc..
    Thinking plasma, but hard to make.
    Then thinking magnets, but must be 3D.
    So a constructon of many magnets with say N poles tied together and south poles at the outside
    So then thought so much force needed to hold those north poles together.. Then 'relevation'!! BLACK HOLE.

    That takes mass, and quite a lot of it. But small black holes evaporate
    fast, and becoming decreasingly "black" as they get smaller.

    A 70kgm black hole will evaporate in a picosecond and release all that mass-energy in the process.

    at he center, much to do these days about femto scale black holes all over the universe..
    Then construction, would I use needles for a demo ball made of thousand magnetic needles,
    like strings.. STRINGS shit oh man I'v got it.

    But education might cure it, if you had the sense to acquire one. Fat
    chance.

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  • From ABLE1@21:1/5 to Bill Sloman on Tue Jun 25 09:45:29 2024
    On 6/25/2024 3:16 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
    On 25/06/2024 2:30 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    relevation_physics
    Was watching old video, early morning
    Thinking about why we cannot measure size of electron (still unknown)
    Then wondered if I could make something mechanical that would behave
    like electon,
    say 2 repel each other etc..
    Thinking plasma, but hard to make.
    Then thinking magnets, but must be 3D.
    So a constructon of many magnets with say N poles tied together and
    south poles at the outside
    So then thought so much force needed to hold those north poles together..
    Then 'relevation'!! BLACK HOLE.

    That takes mass, and quite a lot of it. But small black holes evaporate
    fast, and becoming decreasingly "black" as they get smaller.

    A 70kgm black hole will evaporate in a picosecond and release all that mass-energy in the process.

    at he center, much to do these days about femto scale black holes all
    over the universe..
    Then construction, would I use needles for a demo ball made of
    thousand magnetic needles,
    like strings.. STRINGS shit oh man I'v got it.

    But education might cure it, if you had the sense to acquire one. Fat
    chance.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2011/11/03/how-much-does-the-internet-weigh_n_1073316.html

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  • From Jeroen Belleman@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Tue Jun 25 20:23:26 2024
    On 6/25/24 06:30, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    relevation_physics
    Was watching old video, early morning
    Thinking about why we cannot measure size of electron (still unknown)
    Then wondered if I could make something mechanical that would behave like electon,
    say 2 repel each other etc..
    Thinking plasma, but hard to make.
    Then thinking magnets, but must be 3D.
    So a constructon of many magnets with say N poles tied together and south poles at the outside
    So then thought so much force needed to hold those north poles together.. Then 'relevation'!! BLACK HOLE
    at he center, much to do these days about femto scale black holes all over the universe..
    Then construction, would I use needles for a demo ball made of thousand magnetic needles,
    like strings.. STRINGS shit oh man I'v got it.


    The size of the electron isn't entirely unknown. It's just that
    different methods give different results. An electron isn't a
    solid tiny billiard ball. It's a fuzzy thing, kind of hard to pin
    down its size to a definite value. Much depends on how hard you
    squeeze!

    Your ball of magnets isn't going to work. It would amount to
    making a magnetic monopole. To our current knowledge, there is
    no such thing. Reproducibly making or detecting magnetic monopoles
    would be a Nobel prize achievement!

    Jeroen Belleman

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to jeroen@nospam.please on Wed Jun 26 05:52:56 2024
    On a sunny day (Tue, 25 Jun 2024 20:23:26 +0200) it happened Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote in <v5f1qf$1lnfr$2@dont-email.me>:

    On 6/25/24 06:30, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    relevation_physics
    Was watching old video, early morning
    Thinking about why we cannot measure size of electron (still unknown)
    Then wondered if I could make something mechanical that would behave like electon,
    say 2 repel each other etc..
    Thinking plasma, but hard to make.
    Then thinking magnets, but must be 3D.
    So a constructon of many magnets with say N poles tied together and south poles at the outside
    So then thought so much force needed to hold those north poles together..
    Then 'relevation'!! BLACK HOLE
    at he center, much to do these days about femto scale black holes all over the universe..
    Then construction, would I use needles for a demo ball made of thousand magnetic needles,
    like strings.. STRINGS shit oh man I'v got it.


    The size of the electron isn't entirely unknown. It's just that
    different methods give different results. An electron isn't a
    solid tiny billiard ball. It's a fuzzy thing, kind of hard to pin
    down its size to a definite value. Much depends on how hard you
    squeeze!

    Your ball of magnets isn't going to work. It would amount to
    making a magnetic monopole. To our current knowledge, there is
    no such thing. Reproducibly making or detecting magnetic monopoles
    would be a Nobel prize achievement!

    Well, that nobble price is mostly political these days I think
    Several winners were jailed ..

    Why would a ball of magnetic needles not work
    and 2 with the same polarity not deflect?

    Simple table top experiment.
    Quite different from shooting 2 Teslas at close to supersonic speed into each other
    to find out how the chips in auto pilot work?
    ;-)

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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Wed Jun 26 16:19:18 2024
    On 26/06/2024 3:52 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Tue, 25 Jun 2024 20:23:26 +0200) it happened Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote in <v5f1qf$1lnfr$2@dont-email.me>:

    On 6/25/24 06:30, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    relevation_physics
    Was watching old video, early morning
    Thinking about why we cannot measure size of electron (still unknown)
    Then wondered if I could make something mechanical that would behave like electon,
    say 2 repel each other etc..
    Thinking plasma, but hard to make.
    Then thinking magnets, but must be 3D.
    So a constructon of many magnets with say N poles tied together and south poles at the outside
    So then thought so much force needed to hold those north poles together.. >>> Then 'relevation'!! BLACK HOLE
    at he center, much to do these days about femto scale black holes all over the universe..
    Then construction, would I use needles for a demo ball made of thousand magnetic needles,
    like strings.. STRINGS shit oh man I'v got it.


    The size of the electron isn't entirely unknown. It's just that
    different methods give different results. An electron isn't a
    solid tiny billiard ball. It's a fuzzy thing, kind of hard to pin
    down its size to a definite value. Much depends on how hard you
    squeeze!

    Your ball of magnets isn't going to work. It would amount to
    making a magnetic monopole. To our current knowledge, there is
    no such thing. Reproducibly making or detecting magnetic monopoles
    would be a Nobel prize achievement!

    Well, that nobble price is mostly political these days I think
    Several winners were jailed ..

    Why would a ball of magnetic needles not work
    and 2 with the same polarity not deflect?

    You will never know.

    Simple table top experiment.

    Only in Jan's bizarre reality.

    <snipped even more fatuous nonsense>

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  • From Jeff Layman@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Wed Jun 26 09:05:57 2024
    On 26/06/2024 06:52, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    Why would a ball of magnetic needles not work
    and 2 with the same polarity not deflect?

    <https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/15655/magnets-arranged-in-a-sphere>
    <https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/18115/what-is-the-magnetic-field-inside-hollow-ball-of-magnets>
    <https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/44387/can-you-put-a-magnetic-ball-into-a-hollow-magnetic-sphere>
    etc.

    --
    Jeff

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to jeroen@nospam.please on Wed Jun 26 09:07:46 2024
    On a sunny day (Wed, 26 Jun 2024 10:22:58 +0200) it happened Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote in <v5gj0i$21rf5$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 6/26/24 07:52, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Tue, 25 Jun 2024 20:23:26 +0200) it happened Jeroen Belleman >> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote in <v5f1qf$1lnfr$2@dont-email.me>:

    On 6/25/24 06:30, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    relevation_physics
    Was watching old video, early morning
    Thinking about why we cannot measure size of electron (still unknown)
    Then wondered if I could make something mechanical that would behave like electon,
    say 2 repel each other etc..
    Thinking plasma, but hard to make.
    Then thinking magnets, but must be 3D.
    So a constructon of many magnets with say N poles tied together and south poles at the outside
    So then thought so much force needed to hold those north poles together.. >>>> Then 'relevation'!! BLACK HOLE
    at he center, much to do these days about femto scale black holes all over the universe..
    Then construction, would I use needles for a demo ball made of thousand magnetic needles,
    like strings.. STRINGS shit oh man I'v got it.


    The size of the electron isn't entirely unknown. It's just that
    different methods give different results. An electron isn't a
    solid tiny billiard ball. It's a fuzzy thing, kind of hard to pin
    down its size to a definite value. Much depends on how hard you
    squeeze!

    Your ball of magnets isn't going to work. It would amount to
    making a magnetic monopole. To our current knowledge, there is
    no such thing. Reproducibly making or detecting magnetic monopoles
    would be a Nobel prize achievement!

    Well, that nobble price is mostly political these days I think
    Several winners were jailed ..

    Why would a ball of magnetic needles not work
    and 2 with the same polarity not deflect?

    [...]

    It comes down to the origin of magnetic fields as a relativistic
    effect of moving electric fields. This implies that the magnetic flux
    through the surface of a closed volume always adds up to zero. There
    have been a few claims to the contrary, but no one ever came up with
    a solid reproducible demonstration. The corollary is that when you
    cut a bar magnet into two pieces, you don't get a separate north and
    south pole, but instead two smaller magnets with their own north and
    south poles each.

    It was formalized as one of Maxwell's laws, which, although formulated
    before relativity, turned out to fit in perfectly.

    I never met Maxi,
    but just did a simpel 2D experiment with some of my litte cubic form super magnets,
    thin iron screwsriver in the middle, 2 magnets same polarity 'in series' at each side at both ends

    test
    magnet M1 M2 S M3 M4
    [S/N] [n/s] [n/s] O [s/n\][s/n]

    'M' are the square magnets,
    'S' is the screwriver, bit thinner than the magnets
    Both ends are N and rejected by a similar magnet N

    So it depends on the core
    these magnets:
    https://panteltje.nl/pub/levitation_cut_img_3051.jpg

    an even thinner screwdriver and the magnets want to re-ajust position,
    but if you fix them in position it still works!
    Simply confirms the black hole thing!

    Try it

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  • From Jeroen Belleman@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Wed Jun 26 10:22:58 2024
    On 6/26/24 07:52, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Tue, 25 Jun 2024 20:23:26 +0200) it happened Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote in <v5f1qf$1lnfr$2@dont-email.me>:

    On 6/25/24 06:30, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    relevation_physics
    Was watching old video, early morning
    Thinking about why we cannot measure size of electron (still unknown)
    Then wondered if I could make something mechanical that would behave like electon,
    say 2 repel each other etc..
    Thinking plasma, but hard to make.
    Then thinking magnets, but must be 3D.
    So a constructon of many magnets with say N poles tied together and south poles at the outside
    So then thought so much force needed to hold those north poles together.. >>> Then 'relevation'!! BLACK HOLE
    at he center, much to do these days about femto scale black holes all over the universe..
    Then construction, would I use needles for a demo ball made of thousand magnetic needles,
    like strings.. STRINGS shit oh man I'v got it.


    The size of the electron isn't entirely unknown. It's just that
    different methods give different results. An electron isn't a
    solid tiny billiard ball. It's a fuzzy thing, kind of hard to pin
    down its size to a definite value. Much depends on how hard you
    squeeze!

    Your ball of magnets isn't going to work. It would amount to
    making a magnetic monopole. To our current knowledge, there is
    no such thing. Reproducibly making or detecting magnetic monopoles
    would be a Nobel prize achievement!

    Well, that nobble price is mostly political these days I think
    Several winners were jailed ..

    Why would a ball of magnetic needles not work
    and 2 with the same polarity not deflect?

    [...]

    It comes down to the origin of magnetic fields as a relativistic
    effect of moving electric fields. This implies that the magnetic flux
    through the surface of a closed volume always adds up to zero. There
    have been a few claims to the contrary, but no one ever came up with
    a solid reproducible demonstration. The corollary is that when you
    cut a bar magnet into two pieces, you don't get a separate north and
    south pole, but instead two smaller magnets with their own north and
    south poles each.

    It was formalized as one of Maxwell's laws, which, although formulated
    before relativity, turned out to fit in perfectly.

    Jeroen Belleman

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  • From Jeroen Belleman@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Wed Jun 26 11:47:43 2024
    On 6/26/24 11:07, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Wed, 26 Jun 2024 10:22:58 +0200) it happened Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote in <v5gj0i$21rf5$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 6/26/24 07:52, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Tue, 25 Jun 2024 20:23:26 +0200) it happened Jeroen Belleman
    <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote in <v5f1qf$1lnfr$2@dont-email.me>:

    On 6/25/24 06:30, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    relevation_physics
    Was watching old video, early morning
    Thinking about why we cannot measure size of electron (still unknown) >>>>> Then wondered if I could make something mechanical that would behave like electon,
    say 2 repel each other etc..
    Thinking plasma, but hard to make.
    Then thinking magnets, but must be 3D.
    So a constructon of many magnets with say N poles tied together and south poles at the outside
    So then thought so much force needed to hold those north poles together.. >>>>> Then 'relevation'!! BLACK HOLE
    at he center, much to do these days about femto scale black holes all over the universe..
    Then construction, would I use needles for a demo ball made of thousand magnetic needles,
    like strings.. STRINGS shit oh man I'v got it.


    The size of the electron isn't entirely unknown. It's just that
    different methods give different results. An electron isn't a
    solid tiny billiard ball. It's a fuzzy thing, kind of hard to pin
    down its size to a definite value. Much depends on how hard you
    squeeze!

    Your ball of magnets isn't going to work. It would amount to
    making a magnetic monopole. To our current knowledge, there is
    no such thing. Reproducibly making or detecting magnetic monopoles
    would be a Nobel prize achievement!

    Well, that nobble price is mostly political these days I think
    Several winners were jailed ..

    Why would a ball of magnetic needles not work
    and 2 with the same polarity not deflect?

    [...]

    It comes down to the origin of magnetic fields as a relativistic
    effect of moving electric fields. This implies that the magnetic flux
    through the surface of a closed volume always adds up to zero. There
    have been a few claims to the contrary, but no one ever came up with
    a solid reproducible demonstration. The corollary is that when you
    cut a bar magnet into two pieces, you don't get a separate north and
    south pole, but instead two smaller magnets with their own north and
    south poles each.

    It was formalized as one of Maxwell's laws, which, although formulated
    before relativity, turned out to fit in perfectly.

    I never met Maxi,
    but just did a simpel 2D experiment with some of my litte cubic form super magnets,
    thin iron screwsriver in the middle, 2 magnets same polarity 'in series' at each side at both ends

    test
    magnet M1 M2 S M3 M4
    [S/N] [n/s] [n/s] O [s/n\][s/n]

    'M' are the square magnets,
    'S' is the screwriver, bit thinner than the magnets
    Both ends are N and rejected by a similar magnet N

    So it depends on the core
    these magnets:
    https://panteltje.nl/pub/levitation_cut_img_3051.jpg

    an even thinner screwdriver and the magnets want to re-ajust position,
    but if you fix them in position it still works!
    Simply confirms the black hole thing!

    Try it


    OK, go collect your Nobel prize then. ;-)

    Jeroen Belleman

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to jeroen@nospam.please on Thu Jun 27 06:19:00 2024
    On a sunny day (Wed, 26 Jun 2024 11:47:43 +0200) it happened Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote in <v5gnvg$22vjc$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 6/26/24 11:07, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    but just did a simpel 2D experiment with some of my litte cubic form super magnets,
    thin iron screwsriver in the middle, 2 magnets same polarity 'in series' at each side at both ends

    test
    magnet M1 M2 S M3 M4
    [S/N] [n/s] [n/s] O [s/n\][s/n]

    'M' are the square magnets,
    'S' is the screwriver, bit thinner than the magnets
    Both ends are N and rejected by a similar magnet N

    So it depends on the core
    these magnets:
    https://panteltje.nl/pub/levitation_cut_img_3051.jpg

    an even thinner screwdriver and the magnets want to re-ajust position,
    but if you fix them in position it still works!
    Simply confirms the black hole thing!

    Try it


    OK, go collect your Nobel prize then. ;-)

    Na
    nature is simple,
    in the shoot 2 Teslas at each other at supersonic speed experiment at the ZERN racetrack
    2 new elementary particles were discovered, the 'Nut' and 'Bolt'.
    Further investigation by mamaticians did show chirality in Bolts
    It was found there are more right-hand screwed ? Bolts than left hand
    so the whole universe must be mainly right-hand bolted together.

    Anyways I have some more of these magnets somewhere,
    the ones I used now where stuck to the side of the PC to hold things like pens..
    so when I find those I will go for a north-south east-west and up-down setup for a 3D N pole magnet
    QED?

    My old idea was when - as we keep pushing them electrons around - if those poor 'slaves?? (am I allowed that word these days-
    could unionize and go on a universal (or local) strike
    Then what do you have.

    The reality is very interesting, I did experience / see a ball lightning hanging
    in front of my window a day or so after I did some experiment with brain control over matter.
    That ball-lighting hang in front of my window for seconds,
    then slowly went down where it hit the downstairs neighbors antenna that was between 2 trees
    and left 2 melted black end of it.
    He was lucky he had unplugged it from his radio.
    Later Murat Ozer came with a theory that ball lightning could be electron black holes
    https://www.muratozer.org/on-the-possibility-of-building-black-holes

    All is connected in nature.
    Much about it on German TV here yesterday, some program about NASA mysteries.

    Anyways that ball lightning experience I had was in the sixties, the ball lighting problem
    has not been solved according to that NASA doc, at least not for those free floating in space.

    All is connected
    :-)

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