• China reveals fusion tech breakthrough

    From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 23 05:20:53 2024
    China reveals fusion tech breakthrough:
    https://www.rt.com/news/599707-china-fusion-tech-tokamak-plasma/
    A commercial ‘artificial sun’ has achieved its first plasma discharge,
    the developer says
    If you have trouble accessing the link because of censorship by your polly-tick-sisons
    revolt!

    <partial quote from article>
    According to the developers, as cited by Chinese media,
    the HH70 tokamak is smaller and cheaper to assemble than its predecessors.
    The device uses a magnetic system made from high-temperature superconducting material,
    commonly known as REBCO (Rare Earth Barium Copper Oxide).

    It can reportedly be manufactured on a large scale,
    reducing the cost of Energy Singularity’s tokamaks.
    Moreover, the HH70 device, according to the company,
    is only 2% the size of conventional tokamaks – providing a major advantage
    in the race to produce a commercially viable device.
    <end quote>

    Well that's it for ITER then!

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  • From Jeroen Belleman@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Sun Jun 23 17:04:08 2024
    On 6/23/24 07:20, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    China reveals fusion tech breakthrough:
    https://www.rt.com/news/599707-china-fusion-tech-tokamak-plasma/
    A commercial ‘artificial sun’ has achieved its first plasma discharge,
    the developer says
    If you have trouble accessing the link because of censorship by your polly-tick-sisons
    revolt!

    <partial quote from article>
    According to the developers, as cited by Chinese media,
    the HH70 tokamak is smaller and cheaper to assemble than its predecessors.
    The device uses a magnetic system made from high-temperature superconducting material,
    commonly known as REBCO (Rare Earth Barium Copper Oxide).

    It can reportedly be manufactured on a large scale,
    reducing the cost of Energy Singularity’s tokamaks.
    Moreover, the HH70 device, according to the company,
    is only 2% the size of conventional tokamaks – providing a major advantage
    in the race to produce a commercially viable device.
    <end quote>

    Well that's it for ITER then!


    A plasma discharge is a breakthrough? I can do that in
    my microwave oven.

    Jeroen Belleman

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  • From john larkin@21:1/5 to jeroen@nospam.please on Sun Jun 23 09:34:06 2024
    On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 17:04:08 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
    <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

    On 6/23/24 07:20, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    China reveals fusion tech breakthrough:
    https://www.rt.com/news/599707-china-fusion-tech-tokamak-plasma/
    A commercial ‘artificial sun’ has achieved its first plasma discharge,
    the developer says
    If you have trouble accessing the link because of censorship by your polly-tick-sisons
    revolt!

    <partial quote from article>
    According to the developers, as cited by Chinese media,
    the HH70 tokamak is smaller and cheaper to assemble than its predecessors. >> The device uses a magnetic system made from high-temperature superconducting material,
    commonly known as REBCO (Rare Earth Barium Copper Oxide).

    It can reportedly be manufactured on a large scale,
    reducing the cost of Energy Singularity’s tokamaks.
    Moreover, the HH70 device, according to the company,
    is only 2% the size of conventional tokamaks – providing a major advantage
    in the race to produce a commercially viable device.
    <end quote>

    Well that's it for ITER then!


    A plasma discharge is a breakthrough? I can do that in
    my microwave oven.

    Jeroen Belleman

    Stick an NE-2 neon bulb in the microwave!

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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Sun Jun 23 17:03:24 2024
    On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 05:20:53 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    China reveals fusion tech breakthrough:
    https://www.rt.com/news/599707-china-fusion-tech-tokamak-plasma/
    A commercial ‘artificial sun’ has achieved its first plasma discharge,
    the developer says
    If you have trouble accessing the link because of censorship by your polly-tick-sisons revolt!

    <partial quote from article>
    According to the developers, as cited by Chinese media,
    the HH70 tokamak is smaller and cheaper to assemble than its
    predecessors.
    The device uses a magnetic system made from high-temperature
    superconducting material,
    commonly known as REBCO (Rare Earth Barium Copper Oxide).

    It can reportedly be manufactured on a large scale,
    reducing the cost of Energy Singularity’s tokamaks.
    Moreover, the HH70 device, according to the company,
    is only 2% the size of conventional tokamaks – providing a major
    advantage in the race to produce a commercially viable device.
    <end quote>

    Well that's it for ITER then!

    I said it 40 years ago and I'll say it again: China is the *real* danger
    to world peace, not Russia.

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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to john larkin on Sun Jun 23 17:04:27 2024
    On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 09:34:06 -0700, john larkin wrote:

    On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 17:04:08 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
    <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

    On 6/23/24 07:20, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    China reveals fusion tech breakthrough:
    https://www.rt.com/news/599707-china-fusion-tech-tokamak-plasma/
    A commercial ‘artificial sun’ has achieved its first plasma
    discharge,
    the developer says
    If you have trouble accessing the link because of censorship by your
    polly-tick-sisons revolt!

    <partial quote from article>
    According to the developers, as cited by Chinese media,
    the HH70 tokamak is smaller and cheaper to assemble than its
    predecessors.
    The device uses a magnetic system made from high-temperature
    superconducting material,
    commonly known as REBCO (Rare Earth Barium Copper Oxide).

    It can reportedly be manufactured on a large scale,
    reducing the cost of Energy SingularityÂ’s tokamaks.
    Moreover, the HH70 device, according to the company,
    is only 2% the size of conventional tokamaks – providing a major
    advantage in the race to produce a commercially viable device.
    <end quote>

    Well that's it for ITER then!


    A plasma discharge is a breakthrough? I can do that in my microwave
    oven.

    Jeroen Belleman

    Stick an NE-2 neon bulb in the microwave!

    Grapes are cheaper and work just as well for this kind of demo.

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  • From john larkin@21:1/5 to cd999666@notformail.com on Sun Jun 23 10:28:33 2024
    On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 17:04:27 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 09:34:06 -0700, john larkin wrote:

    On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 17:04:08 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
    <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

    On 6/23/24 07:20, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    China reveals fusion tech breakthrough:
    https://www.rt.com/news/599707-china-fusion-tech-tokamak-plasma/
    A commercial ?artificial sun? has achieved its first plasma
    discharge,
    the developer says
    If you have trouble accessing the link because of censorship by your
    polly-tick-sisons revolt!

    <partial quote from article>
    According to the developers, as cited by Chinese media,
    the HH70 tokamak is smaller and cheaper to assemble than its
    predecessors.
    The device uses a magnetic system made from high-temperature
    superconducting material,
    commonly known as REBCO (Rare Earth Barium Copper Oxide).

    It can reportedly be manufactured on a large scale,
    reducing the cost of Energy Singularity?s tokamaks.
    Moreover, the HH70 device, according to the company,
    is only 2% the size of conventional tokamaks ? providing a major
    advantage in the race to produce a commercially viable device.
    <end quote>

    Well that's it for ITER then!


    A plasma discharge is a breakthrough? I can do that in my microwave
    oven.

    Jeroen Belleman

    Stick an NE-2 neon bulb in the microwave!

    Grapes are cheaper and work just as well for this kind of demo.

    The neon indicates faster. I wanted to see how fast the magnetron
    turns on.

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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to john larkin on Sun Jun 23 19:40:53 2024
    On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 10:28:33 -0700, john larkin wrote:

    On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 17:04:27 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 09:34:06 -0700, john larkin wrote:

    On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 17:04:08 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
    <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

    On 6/23/24 07:20, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    China reveals fusion tech breakthrough:
    https://www.rt.com/news/599707-china-fusion-tech-tokamak-plasma/
    A commercial ?artificial sun? has achieved its first plasma
    discharge,
    the developer says
    If you have trouble accessing the link because of censorship by your >>>>> polly-tick-sisons revolt!

    <partial quote from article>
    According to the developers, as cited by Chinese media,
    the HH70 tokamak is smaller and cheaper to assemble than its
    predecessors.
    The device uses a magnetic system made from high-temperature
    superconducting material,
    commonly known as REBCO (Rare Earth Barium Copper Oxide).

    It can reportedly be manufactured on a large scale,
    reducing the cost of Energy Singularity?s tokamaks.
    Moreover, the HH70 device, according to the company,
    is only 2% the size of conventional tokamaks ? providing a major
    advantage in the race to produce a commercially viable device.
    <end quote>

    Well that's it for ITER then!


    A plasma discharge is a breakthrough? I can do that in my microwave >>>>oven.

    Jeroen Belleman

    Stick an NE-2 neon bulb in the microwave!
    Grapes are cheaper and work just as well for this kind of demo.

    The neon indicates faster. I wanted to see how fast the magnetron turns
    on.

    And how fast did it turn on? They don't use actual cavity magnetrons, do
    they?

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  • From john larkin@21:1/5 to cd999666@notformail.com on Sun Jun 23 14:24:49 2024
    On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 19:40:53 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 10:28:33 -0700, john larkin wrote:

    On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 17:04:27 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
    <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 09:34:06 -0700, john larkin wrote:

    On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 17:04:08 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
    <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

    On 6/23/24 07:20, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    China reveals fusion tech breakthrough:
    https://www.rt.com/news/599707-china-fusion-tech-tokamak-plasma/ >>>>>> A commercial ?artificial sun? has achieved its first plasma
    discharge,
    the developer says
    If you have trouble accessing the link because of censorship by your >>>>>> polly-tick-sisons revolt!

    <partial quote from article>
    According to the developers, as cited by Chinese media,
    the HH70 tokamak is smaller and cheaper to assemble than its
    predecessors.
    The device uses a magnetic system made from high-temperature
    superconducting material,
    commonly known as REBCO (Rare Earth Barium Copper Oxide).

    It can reportedly be manufactured on a large scale,
    reducing the cost of Energy Singularity?s tokamaks.
    Moreover, the HH70 device, according to the company,
    is only 2% the size of conventional tokamaks ? providing a major >>>>>> advantage in the race to produce a commercially viable device.
    <end quote>

    Well that's it for ITER then!


    A plasma discharge is a breakthrough? I can do that in my microwave >>>>>oven.

    Jeroen Belleman

    Stick an NE-2 neon bulb in the microwave!
    Grapes are cheaper and work just as well for this kind of demo.

    The neon indicates faster. I wanted to see how fast the magnetron turns
    on.

    And how fast did it turn on? They don't use actual cavity magnetrons, do >they?

    It flashed and exploded in about 1 second. Yes, they use a magnetron, apparently with a very fast-warmup cathode.

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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Mon Jun 24 11:50:32 2024
    On 24/06/2024 3:03 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 05:20:53 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    China reveals fusion tech breakthrough:
    https://www.rt.com/news/599707-china-fusion-tech-tokamak-plasma/
    A commercial ‘artificial sun’ has achieved its first plasma discharge,
    the developer says
    If you have trouble accessing the link because of censorship by your
    polly-tick-sisons revolt!

    <partial quote from article>
    According to the developers, as cited by Chinese media,
    the HH70 tokamak is smaller and cheaper to assemble than its
    predecessors.
    The device uses a magnetic system made from high-temperature
    superconducting material,
    commonly known as REBCO (Rare Earth Barium Copper Oxide).

    It can reportedly be manufactured on a large scale,
    reducing the cost of Energy Singularity’s tokamaks.
    Moreover, the HH70 device, according to the company,
    is only 2% the size of conventional tokamaks – providing a major
    advantage in the race to produce a commercially viable device.
    <end quote>

    Well that's it for ITER then!

    I said it 40 years ago and I'll say it again: China is the *real* danger
    to world peace, not Russia.

    They haven't started any wars recently, and Russia is still busy trying
    to invade the Ukraine. You do keep on repeating the same demented nonsense.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

    --
    This email has been checked for viruses by Norton antivirus software. www.norton.com

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to jeroen@nospam.please on Mon Jun 24 05:04:53 2024
    On a sunny day (Sun, 23 Jun 2024 17:04:08 +0200) it happened Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote in <v59dcq$cugf$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 6/23/24 07:20, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    China reveals fusion tech breakthrough:
    https://www.rt.com/news/599707-china-fusion-tech-tokamak-plasma/
    A commercial ‘artificial sun’ has achieved its first plasma discharge,
    the developer says
    If you have trouble accessing the link because of censorship by your polly-tick-sisons
    revolt!

    <partial quote from article>
    According to the developers, as cited by Chinese media,
    the HH70 tokamak is smaller and cheaper to assemble than its predecessors. >> The device uses a magnetic system made from high-temperature superconducting material,
    commonly known as REBCO (Rare Earth Barium Copper Oxide).

    It can reportedly be manufactured on a large scale,
    reducing the cost of Energy Singularity’s tokamaks.
    Moreover, the HH70 device, according to the company,
    is only 2% the size of conventional tokamaks – providing a major advantage
    in the race to produce a commercially viable device.
    <end quote>

    Well that's it for ITER then!


    A plasma discharge is a breakthrough? I can do that in
    my microwave oven.

    One can do fusion in a small tube
    look up Farnsworth fusor:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusor

    I wanted to build one but was lacking space and screening material.
    You can make a nice neutron beam that way.
    Break-even could perhaps be achieved with the polywell:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polywell

    I have always said, and now again:
    "If you cannot do it with those tiny particle at the desktop
    then you cannot do it with a machine the size of the universe."
    So ITER just a politics money sink to keep onestonian parrots busy
    and give industry something to do payed for by the tax payer.
    The Chinese are smart enough to improve the tokamak,
    But all is always 30 years into the future and has always been.
    I do get some power from my solar cells here.
    Same for CERN.
    I was watching some of these science programs and it was about the size of the electron
    We still do not know its size....
    In fact there are now so many 'elementary' particles I have to admit
    I have no clue.
    Maybe humanity / science is missing some essential thing here.
    Was going through Planck's constant, versions of 'h'' etc yesterday
    If humanity persists long enough would it not be fun to see what it all would look like a thousand years from now, science I mean.
    Every day we work with electrons and so little we know about those.
    Anyways those CERN tunnels make perhaps a nice bomb shelter in WW3
    your are safe! Get enoug food and water for the long run though.
    I also do read alt.survival it seems these days...

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  • From Jasen Betts@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Tue Jul 9 10:08:37 2024
    On 2024-06-23, Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 05:20:53 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    China reveals fusion tech breakthrough:
    https://www.rt.com/news/599707-china-fusion-tech-tokamak-plasma/
    A commercial ‘artificial sun’ has achieved its first plasma discharge, >> the developer says
    If you have trouble accessing the link because of censorship by your
    polly-tick-sisons revolt!

    <partial quote from article>
    According to the developers, as cited by Chinese media,
    the HH70 tokamak is smaller and cheaper to assemble than its
    predecessors.
    The device uses a magnetic system made from high-temperature
    superconducting material,
    commonly known as REBCO (Rare Earth Barium Copper Oxide).

    It can reportedly be manufactured on a large scale,
    reducing the cost of Energy Singularity’s tokamaks.
    Moreover, the HH70 device, according to the company,
    is only 2% the size of conventional tokamaks – providing a major
    advantage in the race to produce a commercially viable device.
    <end quote>

    Well that's it for ITER then!

    I said it 40 years ago and I'll say it again: China is the *real* danger
    to world peace, not Russia.

    Russia wants world peace whwere the world is ruled from Moskow.
    China wasn world peace where the world is ruled from Beijing.

    Neirher option seems particularly desiramble to me.

    --
    Jasen.
    🇺🇦 Слава Україні

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org on Tue Jul 9 14:55:33 2024
    XPost: us.politics

    On a sunny day (Tue, 9 Jul 2024 10:08:37 -0000 (UTC)) it happened Jasen Betts <usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> wrote in <v6j275$qqdg$2@gonzo.revmaps.no-ip.org>:

    On 2024-06-23, Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 05:20:53 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    China reveals fusion tech breakthrough:
    https://www.rt.com/news/599707-china-fusion-tech-tokamak-plasma/
    A commercial ‘artificial sun’ has achieved its first plasma discharge,
    the developer says
    If you have trouble accessing the link because of censorship by your
    polly-tick-sisons revolt!

    <partial quote from article>
    According to the developers, as cited by Chinese media,
    the HH70 tokamak is smaller and cheaper to assemble than its
    predecessors.
    The device uses a magnetic system made from high-temperature
    superconducting material,
    commonly known as REBCO (Rare Earth Barium Copper Oxide).

    It can reportedly be manufactured on a large scale,
    reducing the cost of Energy Singularity’s tokamaks.
    Moreover, the HH70 device, according to the company,
    is only 2% the size of conventional tokamaks – providing a major
    advantage in the race to produce a commercially viable device.
    <end quote>

    Well that's it for ITER then!

    I said it 40 years ago and I'll say it again: China is the *real* danger
    to world peace, not Russia.

    Russia wants world peace whwere the world is ruled from Moskow.

    Not exactly Russia / Putin just wants its empire to stay intact.

    China wasn world peace where the world is ruled from Beijing.

    They just claim Taiwan... and part of the Chinese sea.



    Neirher option seems particularly desiramble to me.

    Much worse is US that wants war everywhere just to sell weapons, they use NATO as sales agency
    and use 'divide and rule' to create tensions everywhere.
    They burned thousands of lives in those senseless evil wars and have
    done so for a long time.
    Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, ukrain, now killing Palestinians.
    What an evil bunch US is, capitalism run aways...
    and a US Military Complex senile puppet as president with as alternative choice a convicted criminal
    who already killed millions of his own people with his criminal slave: Faulty making COVID to attack China, backfired.
    Most US now drug-addicted, many homeless, IQ dropping to single digits.. Religious fanaticism..
    Gun violence.

    Russia and China seem OK to me.
    At least they care about their own people.

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  • From John Robertson@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Wed Jul 17 10:08:58 2024
    On 2024/06/22 10:20 p.m., Jan Panteltje wrote:
    China reveals fusion tech breakthrough:
    https://www.rt.com/news/599707-china-fusion-tech-tokamak-plasma/
    ...

    Well that's it for ITER then!


    If you can believe Russian Times - a propaganda front for Putin and his
    'pals'.

    John :-#(#

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