• Re: Chinese semiconductors

    From bitrex@21:1/5 to john larkin on Tue Jun 18 16:06:40 2024
    On 6/18/2024 4:00 PM, john larkin wrote:
    https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/major-chinese-semiconductor-company-goes-bankrupt-23-others-recently-withdrew-ipo-applications

    Good grief. Crazy numbers.


    There's a surprisingly common perception that "everything electronic is
    made in China" vs. the reality that China's semiconductor industry is
    5-10 years behind the curve and for most every product with the word
    "CPU" or "GPU" in it they have a vanishingly small piece of the market.

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  • From john larkin@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 18 13:00:23 2024
    https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/major-chinese-semiconductor-company-goes-bankrupt-23-others-recently-withdrew-ipo-applications

    Good grief. Crazy numbers.

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  • From Brian Gregory@21:1/5 to bitrex on Tue Jun 18 23:55:52 2024
    On 18/06/2024 21:06, bitrex wrote:
    On 6/18/2024 4:00 PM, john larkin wrote:
    https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/major-chinese-semiconductor-company-goes-bankrupt-23-others-recently-withdrew-ipo-applications

    Good grief. Crazy numbers.


    There's a surprisingly common perception that "everything electronic is
    made in China" vs. the reality that China's semiconductor industry is
    5-10 years behind the curve and for most every product with the word
    "CPU" or "GPU" in it they have a vanishingly small piece of the market.

    Making the semiconductors is a relatively small part of the whole
    process of producing cheap electronic devices.

    --
    Brian Gregory (in England).

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  • From legg@21:1/5 to john larkin on Wed Jun 19 08:53:34 2024
    On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 13:00:23 -0700, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:

    https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/major-chinese-semiconductor-company-goes-bankrupt-23-others-recently-withdrew-ipo-applications

    Good grief. Crazy numbers.

    10,000 bankruptcies representing only 1 in 5 start-ups for
    the year.

    Sounds like a normal ratio.

    RL

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  • From john larkin@21:1/5 to legg on Wed Jun 19 06:18:42 2024
    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 08:53:34 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:

    On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 13:00:23 -0700, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:

    https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/major-chinese-semiconductor-company-goes-bankrupt-23-others-recently-withdrew-ipo-applications

    Good grief. Crazy numbers.

    10,000 bankruptcies representing only 1 in 5 start-ups for
    the year.

    Sounds like a normal ratio.

    RL

    The idea of any country "registering" 50,000 semiconductor companies
    in one year is absurd. It's the same corrupt fad dynamics as the
    Chinese real-estate scam.

    Communism always becomes savage and corrupt and inefficient. It's
    really the wrong environment for inventing and developing electronics.
    The US has lots of started-small innovative tech companies, some of
    which are world-dominant now. I see a some of that in the UK and
    Ireland and a bit in France and the Netherlands.

    The sequence matters. Some outfits start with ideas and eventually
    make a lot of money. Some start with a heap of invested money, have no
    original ideas, and fail.

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  • From john larkin@21:1/5 to john larkin on Wed Jun 19 06:58:25 2024
    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 06:18:42 -0700, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 08:53:34 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:

    On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 13:00:23 -0700, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:
    https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/major-chinese-semiconductor-company-goes-bankrupt-23-others-recently-withdrew-ipo-applications

    Good grief. Crazy numbers.

    10,000 bankruptcies representing only 1 in 5 start-ups for
    the year.

    Sounds like a normal ratio.

    RL

    The idea of any country "registering" 50,000 semiconductor companies
    in one year is absurd. It's the same corrupt fad dynamics as the
    Chinese real-estate scam.

    Communism always becomes savage and corrupt and inefficient. It's
    really the wrong environment for inventing and developing electronics.
    The US has lots of started-small innovative tech companies, some of
    which are world-dominant now. I see a some of that in the UK and
    Ireland and a bit in France and the Netherlands.

    The sequence matters. Some outfits start with ideas and eventually
    make a lot of money. Some start with a heap of invested money, have no >original ideas, and fail.




    Hey, we have an aphorism:

    Ideas create money, but money doesn't create ideas.

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  • From john larkin@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 19 07:48:46 2024
    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 14:35:28 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jun 2024 06:18:42 -0700) it happened john larkin ><jl@650pot.com> wrote in <9jl57jl75daa4rull8cpc0ung6hvbtkl5s@4ax.com>:

    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 08:53:34 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:

    On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 13:00:23 -0700, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:
    https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/major-chinese-semiconductor-company-goes-bankrupt-23-others-recently-withdrew-ipo-ap
    plications

    Good grief. Crazy numbers.

    10,000 bankruptcies representing only 1 in 5 start-ups for
    the year.

    Sounds like a normal ratio.

    RL

    The idea of any country "registering" 50,000 semiconductor companies
    in one year is absurd. It's the same corrupt fad dynamics as the
    Chinese real-estate scam.

    Communism always becomes savage and corrupt and inefficient.

    I do not see it that way.
    Making crap and selling it at taxpayers cost is typical US
    Boing Starliner leaking Helium and has their astronuts stuck in space,
    ... Boing airplanes that fsll apart and killed hundreds.

    Airbus planes have killed people too.

    The two nasty 737 crashes were a combination of bad control system
    desgn and bad piloting, not things falling apart.



    other dangerous products such as vaccins against virusses produced by the same US,
    worshipping criminals againt humanity like DRRRRR FAUlty
    it suffers from a milli-tary industrial complex that makes crap noisy shit airplanes that pollute the skies here: F35,
    an ever raising debt, more than a third world country,
    a basically 2 party sustem that gives people the worst of both,...
    A war mongering bunch killing people all over the world
    Totally corrupt from top to bottom and proud of it.
    An IQ that gete lower and lower...
    dolly no longer coupled to gold value, just shit paper.


    It's really the wrong environment for inventing and developing electronics. >>The US has lots of started-small innovative tech companies, some of
    which are world-dominant now. I see a some of that in the UK and
    Ireland and a bit in France and the Netherlands.


    The sequence matters. Some outfits start with ideas and eventually
    make a lot of money. Some start with a heap of invested money, have no >>original ideas, and fail.

    The sequence is that the US empire will soon cease to exist.
    West coast was always part of China :-)
    More info in 'planets of the apes'

    US hates it own people, puts sanctions on cheap good Chinese products and increases taxes so its war mongering industry
    has jobs, better just give them the money they steal from the taxpayers directly...
    Even better have them make products that benefit people.
    That will save lives worldwide covid makers!!

    US just an other ant-heap in decline, fire ants at that...

    Darwin applies, bye bye US, byethen [buythen] and club,
    Get the fuck out of Europe war mongering shitheads!!


    How are your Russian lessons coming along?

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to jl@650pot.com on Wed Jun 19 14:35:28 2024
    On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jun 2024 06:18:42 -0700) it happened john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote in <9jl57jl75daa4rull8cpc0ung6hvbtkl5s@4ax.com>:

    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 08:53:34 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:

    On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 13:00:23 -0700, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:
    https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/major-chinese-semiconductor-company-goes-bankrupt-23-others-recently-withdrew-ipo-ap
    plications

    Good grief. Crazy numbers.

    10,000 bankruptcies representing only 1 in 5 start-ups for
    the year.

    Sounds like a normal ratio.

    RL

    The idea of any country "registering" 50,000 semiconductor companies
    in one year is absurd. It's the same corrupt fad dynamics as the
    Chinese real-estate scam.

    Communism always becomes savage and corrupt and inefficient.

    I do not see it that way.
    Making crap and selling it at taxpayers cost is typical US
    Boing Starliner leaking Helium and has their astronuts stuck in space,
    ... Boing airplanes that fsll apart and killed hundreds.
    other dangerous products such as vaccins against virusses produced by the same US,
    worshipping criminals againt humanity like DRRRRR FAUlty
    it suffers from a milli-tary industrial complex that makes crap noisy shit airplanes that pollute the skies here: F35,
    an ever raising debt, more than a third world country,
    a basically 2 party sustem that gives people the worst of both,...
    A war mongering bunch killing people all over the world
    Totally corrupt from top to bottom and proud of it.
    An IQ that gete lower and lower...
    dolly no longer coupled to gold value, just shit paper.


    It's really the wrong environment for inventing and developing electronics. >The US has lots of started-small innovative tech companies, some of
    which are world-dominant now. I see a some of that in the UK and
    Ireland and a bit in France and the Netherlands.


    The sequence matters. Some outfits start with ideas and eventually
    make a lot of money. Some start with a heap of invested money, have no >original ideas, and fail.

    The sequence is that the US empire will soon cease to exist.
    West coast was always part of China :-)
    More info in 'planets of the apes'

    US hates it own people, puts sanctions on cheap good Chinese products and increases taxes so its war mongering industry
    has jobs, better just give them the money they steal from the taxpayers directly...
    Even better have them make products that benefit people.
    That will save lives worldwide covid makers!!

    US just an other ant-heap in decline, fire ants at that...

    Darwin applies, bye bye US, byethen [buythen] and club,
    Get the fuck out of Europe war mongering shitheads!!

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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to john larkin on Wed Jun 19 17:49:28 2024
    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 07:48:46 -0700, john larkin wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 14:35:28 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jun 2024 06:18:42 -0700) it happened john larkin >><jl@650pot.com> wrote in <9jl57jl75daa4rull8cpc0ung6hvbtkl5s@4ax.com>:

    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 08:53:34 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:

    On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 13:00:23 -0700, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:

    https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/major-chinese- semiconductor-company-goes-bankrupt-23-others-recently-withdrew-ipo-ap >>>>>plications

    Good grief. Crazy numbers.

    10,000 bankruptcies representing only 1 in 5 start-ups for the year.

    Sounds like a normal ratio.

    RL

    The idea of any country "registering" 50,000 semiconductor companies in >>>one year is absurd. It's the same corrupt fad dynamics as the Chinese >>>real-estate scam.

    Communism always becomes savage and corrupt and inefficient.

    I do not see it that way.
    Making crap and selling it at taxpayers cost is typical US Boing
    Starliner leaking Helium and has their astronuts stuck in space,
    ... Boing airplanes that fsll apart and killed hundreds.

    Airbus planes have killed people too.

    The two nasty 737 crashes were a combination of bad control system desgn
    and bad piloting, not things falling apart.



    other dangerous products such as vaccins against virusses produced by
    the same US,
    worshipping criminals againt humanity like DRRRRR FAUlty it suffers from
    a milli-tary industrial complex that makes crap noisy shit airplanes
    that pollute the skies here: F35, an ever raising debt, more than a
    third world country,
    a basically 2 party sustem that gives people the worst of both,...
    A war mongering bunch killing people all over the world Totally corrupt >>from top to bottom and proud of it.
    An IQ that gete lower and lower...
    dolly no longer coupled to gold value, just shit paper.


    It's really the wrong environment for inventing and developing >>>electronics.
    The US has lots of started-small innovative tech companies, some of
    which are world-dominant now. I see a some of that in the UK and
    Ireland and a bit in France and the Netherlands.


    The sequence matters. Some outfits start with ideas and eventually make
    a lot of money. Some start with a heap of invested money, have no >>>original ideas, and fail.

    The sequence is that the US empire will soon cease to exist.
    West coast was always part of China :-)
    More info in 'planets of the apes'

    US hates it own people, puts sanctions on cheap good Chinese products
    and increases taxes so its war mongering industry has jobs, better just >>give them the money they steal from the taxpayers directly...
    Even better have them make products that benefit people.
    That will save lives worldwide covid makers!!

    US just an other ant-heap in decline, fire ants at that...

    Darwin applies, bye bye US, byethen [buythen] and club,
    Get the fuck out of Europe war mongering shitheads!!


    How are your Russian lessons coming along?

    Jan is right about the propensity of the US to go into unnecessary and unjustifiable conflicts around the world, though. Vast sums of money
    squandered on these ridiculous and ultimately futile escapades. Just think
    what all that cash could have been better spent on. Those roads and
    bridges could use a bit of attention!

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  • From Martin Rid@21:1/5 to john larkin on Wed Jun 19 15:56:35 2024
    john larkin <jl@650pot.com> Wrote in message:r
    https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/major-chinese-semiconductor-company-goes-bankrupt-23-others-recently-withdrew-ipo-applicationsGood grief. Crazy numbers.

    The youtube channel asianomerty, did a bit on China fabs a few
    years ago. Same spiel, lots of investments and bankruptcy.
    Even trying to steal tmsc engineers.

    Cheers
    --


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  • From john larkin@21:1/5 to cd999666@notformail.com on Wed Jun 19 13:47:25 2024
    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 17:49:28 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 07:48:46 -0700, john larkin wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 14:35:28 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jun 2024 06:18:42 -0700) it happened john larkin >>><jl@650pot.com> wrote in <9jl57jl75daa4rull8cpc0ung6hvbtkl5s@4ax.com>:

    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 08:53:34 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:

    On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 13:00:23 -0700, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote: >>>>>
    https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/major-chinese- >semiconductor-company-goes-bankrupt-23-others-recently-withdrew-ipo-ap >>>>>>plications

    Good grief. Crazy numbers.

    10,000 bankruptcies representing only 1 in 5 start-ups for the year.

    Sounds like a normal ratio.

    RL

    The idea of any country "registering" 50,000 semiconductor companies in >>>>one year is absurd. It's the same corrupt fad dynamics as the Chinese >>>>real-estate scam.

    Communism always becomes savage and corrupt and inefficient.

    I do not see it that way.
    Making crap and selling it at taxpayers cost is typical US Boing >>>Starliner leaking Helium and has their astronuts stuck in space,
    ... Boing airplanes that fsll apart and killed hundreds.

    Airbus planes have killed people too.

    The two nasty 737 crashes were a combination of bad control system desgn
    and bad piloting, not things falling apart.



    other dangerous products such as vaccins against virusses produced by
    the same US,
    worshipping criminals againt humanity like DRRRRR FAUlty it suffers from >>>a milli-tary industrial complex that makes crap noisy shit airplanes
    that pollute the skies here: F35, an ever raising debt, more than a
    third world country,
    a basically 2 party sustem that gives people the worst of both,...
    A war mongering bunch killing people all over the world Totally corrupt >>>from top to bottom and proud of it.
    An IQ that gete lower and lower...
    dolly no longer coupled to gold value, just shit paper.


    It's really the wrong environment for inventing and developing >>>>electronics.
    The US has lots of started-small innovative tech companies, some of >>>>which are world-dominant now. I see a some of that in the UK and >>>>Ireland and a bit in France and the Netherlands.


    The sequence matters. Some outfits start with ideas and eventually make >>>>a lot of money. Some start with a heap of invested money, have no >>>>original ideas, and fail.

    The sequence is that the US empire will soon cease to exist.
    West coast was always part of China :-)
    More info in 'planets of the apes'

    US hates it own people, puts sanctions on cheap good Chinese products
    and increases taxes so its war mongering industry has jobs, better just >>>give them the money they steal from the taxpayers directly...
    Even better have them make products that benefit people.
    That will save lives worldwide covid makers!!

    US just an other ant-heap in decline, fire ants at that...

    Darwin applies, bye bye US, byethen [buythen] and club,
    Get the fuck out of Europe war mongering shitheads!!


    How are your Russian lessons coming along?

    Jan is right about the propensity of the US to go into unnecessary and >unjustifiable conflicts around the world, though.

    We should have stayed out of WWI and WWII. The history of europe is
    millenia of warfare. We should stay out of the current one too.

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  • From john larkin@21:1/5 to martin_riddle@verison.net on Wed Jun 19 13:56:14 2024
    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 15:56:35 -0400 (EDT), Martin Rid <martin_riddle@verison.net> wrote:

    john larkin <jl@650pot.com> Wrote in message:r
    https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/major-chinese-semiconductor-company-goes-bankrupt-23-others-recently-withdrew-ipo-applicationsGood grief. Crazy numbers.

    The youtube channel asianomerty, did a bit on China fabs a few
    years ago. Same spiel, lots of investments and bankruptcy.
    Even trying to steal tmsc engineers.

    Cheers

    Another feature of communist countries is to steal ideas and
    industries [1]. I think the culture discourages local invention and
    especially risk taking and, ultimately, success.

    The stealing is institutionalized, which doesn't work well.

    [1] and territory.

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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to john larkin on Wed Jun 19 21:41:20 2024
    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 13:47:25 -0700, john larkin wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 17:49:28 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 07:48:46 -0700, john larkin wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 14:35:28 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jun 2024 06:18:42 -0700) it happened john >>>>larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote in >>>><9jl57jl75daa4rull8cpc0ung6hvbtkl5s@4ax.com>:

    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 08:53:34 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> >>>>>wrote:

    On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 13:00:23 -0700, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> >>>>>>wrote:

    https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/major-chinese- >>semiconductor-company-goes-bankrupt-23-others-recently-withdrew-ipo-ap >>>>>>>plications

    Good grief. Crazy numbers.

    10,000 bankruptcies representing only 1 in 5 start-ups for the year. >>>>>>
    Sounds like a normal ratio.

    RL

    The idea of any country "registering" 50,000 semiconductor companies >>>>>in one year is absurd. It's the same corrupt fad dynamics as the >>>>>Chinese real-estate scam.

    Communism always becomes savage and corrupt and inefficient.

    I do not see it that way.
    Making crap and selling it at taxpayers cost is typical US Boing >>>>Starliner leaking Helium and has their astronuts stuck in space,
    ... Boing airplanes that fsll apart and killed hundreds.

    Airbus planes have killed people too.

    The two nasty 737 crashes were a combination of bad control system
    desgn and bad piloting, not things falling apart.



    other dangerous products such as vaccins against virusses produced by >>>>the same US,
    worshipping criminals againt humanity like DRRRRR FAUlty it suffers >>>>from a milli-tary industrial complex that makes crap noisy shit >>>>airplanes that pollute the skies here: F35, an ever raising debt, more >>>>than a third world country,
    a basically 2 party sustem that gives people the worst of both,...
    A war mongering bunch killing people all over the world Totally
    corrupt from top to bottom and proud of it.
    An IQ that gete lower and lower...
    dolly no longer coupled to gold value, just shit paper.


    It's really the wrong environment for inventing and developing >>>>>electronics.
    The US has lots of started-small innovative tech companies, some of >>>>>which are world-dominant now. I see a some of that in the UK and >>>>>Ireland and a bit in France and the Netherlands.


    The sequence matters. Some outfits start with ideas and eventually >>>>>make a lot of money. Some start with a heap of invested money, have >>>>>no original ideas, and fail.

    The sequence is that the US empire will soon cease to exist.
    West coast was always part of China :-)
    More info in 'planets of the apes'

    US hates it own people, puts sanctions on cheap good Chinese products >>>>and increases taxes so its war mongering industry has jobs, better
    just give them the money they steal from the taxpayers directly...
    Even better have them make products that benefit people.
    That will save lives worldwide covid makers!!

    US just an other ant-heap in decline, fire ants at that...

    Darwin applies, bye bye US, byethen [buythen] and club,
    Get the fuck out of Europe war mongering shitheads!!


    How are your Russian lessons coming along?

    Jan is right about the propensity of the US to go into unnecessary and >>unjustifiable conflicts around the world, though.

    We should have stayed out of WWI and WWII. The history of europe is
    millenia of warfare. We should stay out of the current one too.

    +1.
    This is what Trump is arguing for and I believe an awful lot of people
    will find it *very* persuasive.

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  • From john larkin@21:1/5 to cd999666@notformail.com on Wed Jun 19 15:10:51 2024
    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 21:41:20 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 13:47:25 -0700, john larkin wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 17:49:28 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
    <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 07:48:46 -0700, john larkin wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 14:35:28 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jun 2024 06:18:42 -0700) it happened john >>>>>larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote in >>>>><9jl57jl75daa4rull8cpc0ung6hvbtkl5s@4ax.com>:

    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 08:53:34 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> >>>>>>wrote:

    On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 13:00:23 -0700, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> >>>>>>>wrote:

    https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/major-chinese- >>>semiconductor-company-goes-bankrupt-23-others-recently-withdrew-ipo-ap >>>>>>>>plications

    Good grief. Crazy numbers.

    10,000 bankruptcies representing only 1 in 5 start-ups for the year. >>>>>>>
    Sounds like a normal ratio.

    RL

    The idea of any country "registering" 50,000 semiconductor companies >>>>>>in one year is absurd. It's the same corrupt fad dynamics as the >>>>>>Chinese real-estate scam.

    Communism always becomes savage and corrupt and inefficient.

    I do not see it that way.
    Making crap and selling it at taxpayers cost is typical US Boing >>>>>Starliner leaking Helium and has their astronuts stuck in space,
    ... Boing airplanes that fsll apart and killed hundreds.

    Airbus planes have killed people too.

    The two nasty 737 crashes were a combination of bad control system
    desgn and bad piloting, not things falling apart.



    other dangerous products such as vaccins against virusses produced by >>>>>the same US,
    worshipping criminals againt humanity like DRRRRR FAUlty it suffers >>>>>from a milli-tary industrial complex that makes crap noisy shit >>>>>airplanes that pollute the skies here: F35, an ever raising debt, more >>>>>than a third world country,
    a basically 2 party sustem that gives people the worst of both,...
    A war mongering bunch killing people all over the world Totally >>>>>corrupt from top to bottom and proud of it.
    An IQ that gete lower and lower...
    dolly no longer coupled to gold value, just shit paper.


    It's really the wrong environment for inventing and developing >>>>>>electronics.
    The US has lots of started-small innovative tech companies, some of >>>>>>which are world-dominant now. I see a some of that in the UK and >>>>>>Ireland and a bit in France and the Netherlands.


    The sequence matters. Some outfits start with ideas and eventually >>>>>>make a lot of money. Some start with a heap of invested money, have >>>>>>no original ideas, and fail.

    The sequence is that the US empire will soon cease to exist.
    West coast was always part of China :-)
    More info in 'planets of the apes'

    US hates it own people, puts sanctions on cheap good Chinese products >>>>>and increases taxes so its war mongering industry has jobs, better >>>>>just give them the money they steal from the taxpayers directly... >>>>>Even better have them make products that benefit people.
    That will save lives worldwide covid makers!!

    US just an other ant-heap in decline, fire ants at that...

    Darwin applies, bye bye US, byethen [buythen] and club,
    Get the fuck out of Europe war mongering shitheads!!


    How are your Russian lessons coming along?

    Jan is right about the propensity of the US to go into unnecessary and >>>unjustifiable conflicts around the world, though.

    We should have stayed out of WWI and WWII. The history of europe is
    millenia of warfare. We should stay out of the current one too.

    +1.
    This is what Trump is arguing for and I believe an awful lot of people
    will find it *very* persuasive.

    I wonder what the world would be like today if Germany and Italy and
    Japan had won.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to john larkin on Wed Jun 19 22:20:44 2024
    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 15:10:51 -0700, john larkin wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 21:41:20 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 13:47:25 -0700, john larkin wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 17:49:28 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
    <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 07:48:46 -0700, john larkin wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 14:35:28 GMT, Jan Panteltje
    <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jun 2024 06:18:42 -0700) it happened john >>>>>>larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote in >>>>>><9jl57jl75daa4rull8cpc0ung6hvbtkl5s@4ax.com>:

    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 08:53:34 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> >>>>>>>wrote:

    On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 13:00:23 -0700, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> >>>>>>>>wrote:

    https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/major-chinese- >>>>semiconductor-company-goes-bankrupt-23-others-recently-withdrew-ipo-ap >>>>>>>>>plications

    Good grief. Crazy numbers.

    10,000 bankruptcies representing only 1 in 5 start-ups for the >>>>>>>>year.

    Sounds like a normal ratio.

    RL

    The idea of any country "registering" 50,000 semiconductor >>>>>>>companies in one year is absurd. It's the same corrupt fad >>>>>>>dynamics as the Chinese real-estate scam.

    Communism always becomes savage and corrupt and inefficient.

    I do not see it that way.
    Making crap and selling it at taxpayers cost is typical US Boing >>>>>>Starliner leaking Helium and has their astronuts stuck in space, >>>>>>... Boing airplanes that fsll apart and killed hundreds.

    Airbus planes have killed people too.

    The two nasty 737 crashes were a combination of bad control system
    desgn and bad piloting, not things falling apart.



    other dangerous products such as vaccins against virusses produced >>>>>>by the same US,
    worshipping criminals againt humanity like DRRRRR FAUlty it suffers >>>>>>from a milli-tary industrial complex that makes crap noisy shit >>>>>>airplanes that pollute the skies here: F35, an ever raising debt, >>>>>>more than a third world country,
    a basically 2 party sustem that gives people the worst of both,... >>>>>>A war mongering bunch killing people all over the world Totally >>>>>>corrupt from top to bottom and proud of it.
    An IQ that gete lower and lower...
    dolly no longer coupled to gold value, just shit paper.


    It's really the wrong environment for inventing and developing >>>>>>>electronics.
    The US has lots of started-small innovative tech companies, some of >>>>>>>which are world-dominant now. I see a some of that in the UK and >>>>>>>Ireland and a bit in France and the Netherlands.


    The sequence matters. Some outfits start with ideas and eventually >>>>>>>make a lot of money. Some start with a heap of invested money, have >>>>>>>no original ideas, and fail.

    The sequence is that the US empire will soon cease to exist.
    West coast was always part of China :-)
    More info in 'planets of the apes'

    US hates it own people, puts sanctions on cheap good Chinese >>>>>>products and increases taxes so its war mongering industry has jobs, >>>>>>better just give them the money they steal from the taxpayers >>>>>>directly... Even better have them make products that benefit people. >>>>>>That will save lives worldwide covid makers!!

    US just an other ant-heap in decline, fire ants at that...

    Darwin applies, bye bye US, byethen [buythen] and club,
    Get the fuck out of Europe war mongering shitheads!!


    How are your Russian lessons coming along?

    Jan is right about the propensity of the US to go into unnecessary and >>>>unjustifiable conflicts around the world, though.

    We should have stayed out of WWI and WWII. The history of europe is
    millenia of warfare. We should stay out of the current one too.

    +1.
    This is what Trump is arguing for and I believe an awful lot of people
    will find it *very* persuasive.

    I wonder what the world would be like today if Germany and Italy and
    Japan had won.

    Globalist-free.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to jl@650pot.com on Thu Jun 20 05:56:53 2024
    On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jun 2024 13:56:14 -0700) it happened john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote in <83h67jhka85ovsdcmbaktdc7uqei6e3fvp@4ax.com>:

    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 15:56:35 -0400 (EDT), Martin Rid ><martin_riddle@verison.net> wrote:

    john larkin <jl@650pot.com> Wrote in message:r

    https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/major-chinese-semiconductor-company-goes-bankrupt-23-others-recently-withdrew-ipo-applicationsGood grief. Crazy numbers.

    The youtube channel asianomerty, did a bit on China fabs a few
    years ago. Same spiel, lots of investments and bankruptcy.
    Even trying to steal tmsc engineers.

    Cheers

    Another feature of communist countries is to steal ideas and
    industries [1]. I think the culture discourages local invention and >especially risk taking and, ultimately, success.

    The stealing is institutionalized, which doesn't work well.

    [1] and territory.

    What did you say you did to the Native Americans?
    And then later did nuke tests on their land?
    China invented gunpowder, something your kill clubs use,
    did you pay them for that invention?

    As to sjips: China now uses their own sjips in Huawei phones I think.
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-10/huawei-relies-on-china-s-ymtc-for-memory-chip-in-latest-phone

    All your pestering and fear from China has resulted in them making everything themselves
    cheaper and faster than you can, like 'lectric cars...

    Your learders are criminals, some now convicted, current one mentally disabled with drug addicted ofspring.
    Only such eveil is what the weapon industry can use.
    Anyone with a brain would not want to be a puppet like that.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to jl@650pot.com on Thu Jun 20 05:36:08 2024
    On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jun 2024 07:48:46 -0700) it happened john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote in <enr57jler50mu5vvpj9heego8prqq7hesj@4ax.com>:

    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 14:35:28 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jun 2024 06:18:42 -0700) it happened john larkin >><jl@650pot.com> wrote in <9jl57jl75daa4rull8cpc0ung6hvbtkl5s@4ax.com>:

    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 08:53:34 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:

    On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 13:00:23 -0700, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:
    https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/major-chinese-semiconductor-company-goes-bankrupt-23-others-recently-withdrew-ipo-
    ap
    plications

    Good grief. Crazy numbers.

    10,000 bankruptcies representing only 1 in 5 start-ups for
    the year.

    Sounds like a normal ratio.

    RL

    The idea of any country "registering" 50,000 semiconductor companies
    in one year is absurd. It's the same corrupt fad dynamics as the
    Chinese real-estate scam.

    Communism always becomes savage and corrupt and inefficient.

    I do not see it that way.
    Making crap and selling it at taxpayers cost is typical US
    Boing Starliner leaking Helium and has their astronuts stuck in space,
    ... Boing airplanes that fsll apart and killed hundreds.

    Airbus planes have killed people too.

    Yes.
    But they learned from that and now Airbus is super high qualityu.

    The two nasty 737 crashes were a combination of bad control system
    desgn and bad piloting, not things falling apart.

    Defective sensor, no backup system, pilots deliberately not informed and trained to handle
    failure of thar control system.



    other dangerous products such as vaccins against virusses produced by the same US,
    worshipping criminals againt humanity like DRRRRR FAUlty
    it suffers from a milli-tary industrial complex that makes crap noisy shit airplanes that pollute the skies here: F35,
    an ever raising debt, more than a third world country,
    a basically 2 party sustem that gives people the worst of both,...
    A war mongering bunch killing people all over the world
    Totally corrupt from top to bottom and proud of it.
    An IQ that gete lower and lower...
    dolly no longer coupled to gold value, just shit paper.


    It's really the wrong environment for inventing and developing electronics. >>>The US has lots of started-small innovative tech companies, some of
    which are world-dominant now. I see a some of that in the UK and
    Ireland and a bit in France and the Netherlands.


    The sequence matters. Some outfits start with ideas and eventually
    make a lot of money. Some start with a heap of invested money, have no >>>original ideas, and fail.

    The sequence is that the US empire will soon cease to exist.
    West coast was always part of China :-)
    More info in 'planets of the apes'

    US hates it own people, puts sanctions on cheap good Chinese products and increases taxes so its war mongering industry
    has jobs, better just give them the money they steal from the taxpayers directly...
    Even better have them make products that benefit people.
    That will save lives worldwide covid makers!!

    US just an other ant-heap in decline, fire ants at that...

    Darwin applies, bye bye US, byethen [buythen] and club,
    Get the fuck out of Europe war mongering shitheads!!


    How are your Russian lessons coming along?

    Putin has no interest in controlling or invading the Netherlands
    All he was doing is selling cheap gas to Europe, until byethens shitheads had the pipeline blown up.
    Endles CIA unrest creation in YouCrane or whetever that US weapon dump is called.
    But that other war mongering US war criminal george double you boooos did threaten to invade the Netherlands when the international
    court of justice here wanted to sentence US solders for war crimes in Iraq Remember the non-existing 'weapons of mass destruction' all just to sell more weapons,
    no matter how many died, like they now sell to israel and now will start a war in Libanon, and what next..
    US just a stupid rotten weapon factory making wars all over the planet far from home making losses cherging the poor US taxpayers (or was it tax-prayers? mm tax-predators?) for it
    about time they get some of their own medicine.
    Come to think of 'medicine' their covid shots likely killed more people than covid.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Dimiter_Popoff@21:1/5 to john larkin on Fri Jun 21 13:41:42 2024
    On 6/19/2024 23:47, john larkin wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 17:49:28 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 07:48:46 -0700, john larkin wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 14:35:28 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jun 2024 06:18:42 -0700) it happened john larkin >>>> <jl@650pot.com> wrote in <9jl57jl75daa4rull8cpc0ung6hvbtkl5s@4ax.com>: >>>>
    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 08:53:34 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote: >>>>>
    On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 13:00:23 -0700, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote: >>>>>>
    https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/major-chinese-
    semiconductor-company-goes-bankrupt-23-others-recently-withdrew-ipo-ap >>>>>>> plications

    Good grief. Crazy numbers.

    10,000 bankruptcies representing only 1 in 5 start-ups for the year. >>>>>>
    Sounds like a normal ratio.

    RL

    The idea of any country "registering" 50,000 semiconductor companies in >>>>> one year is absurd. It's the same corrupt fad dynamics as the Chinese >>>>> real-estate scam.

    Communism always becomes savage and corrupt and inefficient.

    I do not see it that way.
    Making crap and selling it at taxpayers cost is typical US Boing
    Starliner leaking Helium and has their astronuts stuck in space,
    ... Boing airplanes that fsll apart and killed hundreds.

    Airbus planes have killed people too.

    The two nasty 737 crashes were a combination of bad control system desgn >>> and bad piloting, not things falling apart.



    other dangerous products such as vaccins against virusses produced by
    the same US,
    worshipping criminals againt humanity like DRRRRR FAUlty it suffers from >>>> a milli-tary industrial complex that makes crap noisy shit airplanes
    that pollute the skies here: F35, an ever raising debt, more than a
    third world country,
    a basically 2 party sustem that gives people the worst of both,...
    A war mongering bunch killing people all over the world Totally corrupt >>> >from top to bottom and proud of it.
    An IQ that gete lower and lower...
    dolly no longer coupled to gold value, just shit paper.


    It's really the wrong environment for inventing and developing
    electronics.
    The US has lots of started-small innovative tech companies, some of
    which are world-dominant now. I see a some of that in the UK and
    Ireland and a bit in France and the Netherlands.


    The sequence matters. Some outfits start with ideas and eventually make >>>>> a lot of money. Some start with a heap of invested money, have no
    original ideas, and fail.

    The sequence is that the US empire will soon cease to exist.
    West coast was always part of China :-)
    More info in 'planets of the apes'

    US hates it own people, puts sanctions on cheap good Chinese products
    and increases taxes so its war mongering industry has jobs, better just >>>> give them the money they steal from the taxpayers directly...
    Even better have them make products that benefit people.
    That will save lives worldwide covid makers!!

    US just an other ant-heap in decline, fire ants at that...

    Darwin applies, bye bye US, byethen [buythen] and club,
    Get the fuck out of Europe war mongering shitheads!!


    How are your Russian lessons coming along?

    Jan is right about the propensity of the US to go into unnecessary and
    unjustifiable conflicts around the world, though.

    We should have stayed out of WWI and WWII. The history of europe is
    millenia of warfare. We should stay out of the current one too.


    Probably a bad idea in the long run. The people making these decisions
    are not stupid and forecasting the consequences of say Hitler having had
    all Europe must have been evaluated etc.
    Then "staying out of all conflicts" is also counterproductive for the
    defence capabilities. Without trained and *experienced* personnel the US
    can no longer be the superpower it is. Losing this status is hardly
    affordable. What they can do is pick the "right" conflicts
    to get involved in.
    As for the Russian whining how capitalism - and the the US - will rot to
    its death - well, they have been whining that for well over a century
    by now, it is outright moronic to be pro-Kremlin; not many of that
    kind in the group but astonishingly we do have one, and he is not a
    stupid person at all.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to dp@tgi-sci.com on Fri Jun 21 12:11:46 2024
    On a sunny day (Fri, 21 Jun 2024 13:41:42 +0300) it happened Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> wrote in <v53ld7$34ang$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 6/19/2024 23:47, john larkin wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 17:49:28 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
    <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 07:48:46 -0700, john larkin wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 14:35:28 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jun 2024 06:18:42 -0700) it happened john larkin >>>>> <jl@650pot.com> wrote in <9jl57jl75daa4rull8cpc0ung6hvbtkl5s@4ax.com>: >>>>>
    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 08:53:34 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote: >>>>>>
    On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 13:00:23 -0700, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote: >>>>>>>
    https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/major-chinese-
    semiconductor-company-goes-bankrupt-23-others-recently-withdrew-ipo-ap >>>>>>>> plications

    Good grief. Crazy numbers.

    10,000 bankruptcies representing only 1 in 5 start-ups for the year. >>>>>>>
    Sounds like a normal ratio.

    RL

    The idea of any country "registering" 50,000 semiconductor companies in >>>>>> one year is absurd. It's the same corrupt fad dynamics as the Chinese >>>>>> real-estate scam.

    Communism always becomes savage and corrupt and inefficient.

    I do not see it that way.
    Making crap and selling it at taxpayers cost is typical US Boing
    Starliner leaking Helium and has their astronuts stuck in space,
    ... Boing airplanes that fsll apart and killed hundreds.

    Airbus planes have killed people too.

    The two nasty 737 crashes were a combination of bad control system desgn >>>> and bad piloting, not things falling apart.



    other dangerous products such as vaccins against virusses produced by >>>>> the same US,
    worshipping criminals againt humanity like DRRRRR FAUlty it suffers from >>>>> a milli-tary industrial complex that makes crap noisy shit airplanes >>>>> that pollute the skies here: F35, an ever raising debt, more than a
    third world country,
    a basically 2 party sustem that gives people the worst of both,...
    A war mongering bunch killing people all over the world Totally corrupt >>>> >from top to bottom and proud of it.
    An IQ that gete lower and lower...
    dolly no longer coupled to gold value, just shit paper.


    It's really the wrong environment for inventing and developing
    electronics.
    The US has lots of started-small innovative tech companies, some of >>>>>> which are world-dominant now. I see a some of that in the UK and
    Ireland and a bit in France and the Netherlands.


    The sequence matters. Some outfits start with ideas and eventually make >>>>>> a lot of money. Some start with a heap of invested money, have no
    original ideas, and fail.

    The sequence is that the US empire will soon cease to exist.
    West coast was always part of China :-)
    More info in 'planets of the apes'

    US hates it own people, puts sanctions on cheap good Chinese products >>>>> and increases taxes so its war mongering industry has jobs, better just >>>>> give them the money they steal from the taxpayers directly...
    Even better have them make products that benefit people.
    That will save lives worldwide covid makers!!

    US just an other ant-heap in decline, fire ants at that...

    Darwin applies, bye bye US, byethen [buythen] and club,
    Get the fuck out of Europe war mongering shitheads!!


    How are your Russian lessons coming along?

    Jan is right about the propensity of the US to go into unnecessary and
    unjustifiable conflicts around the world, though.

    We should have stayed out of WWI and WWII. The history of europe is
    millenia of warfare. We should stay out of the current one too.


    Probably a bad idea in the long run. The people making these decisions
    are not stupid and forecasting the consequences of say Hitler having had
    all Europe must have been evaluated etc.
    Then "staying out of all conflicts" is also counterproductive for the
    defence capabilities. Without trained and *experienced* personnel the US
    can no longer be the superpower it is. Losing this status is hardly >affordable. What they can do is pick the "right" conflicts
    to get involved in.
    As for the Russian whining how capitalism - and the the US - will rot to
    its death - well, they have been whining that for well over a century
    by now, it is outright moronic to be pro-Kremlin; not many of that
    kind in the group but astonishingly we do have one, and he is not a
    stupid person at all.

    Russia has a different history
    After killing Hitler they were then sending a beeping spacecraft orbiting earth (Sputnik)
    US wanted that too. took them years..
    Same for MIR space station, now ISS
    US looks dead to me in space,
    was watching NASA TV (satellite) yesterday for an hour or so to see what
    they would do about those astronuts stuck due to helium leaks in that starliner capsule..
    No word of it, endles stuff about their man on the moon and how astronuts from the Apollo 13 mishap were rescued..
    Sure they got to the moon and back in the seventies... since then US has fallen way back technologically
    Lots of crap about AI ..it is just a game, by the time US kids learn from AI its all over :-).
    Now more religious crap: the ten commandments in public schools.
    And that is a state filled with mass-murderers like Faulty and a half senile president selling weapons to some jews
    that are worse than Hitler it seems.
    You should see the starving kids in that Palestinian area, just bones... never seen anything like that
    Al Jazeera satellite this morning (and even they are prohibited from reporting to and from israhell).
    And US having their European slave countries banning the Russian viewpoint from being transmitted.
    Threatening our chip makers not to sell to China or else.
    What a fucking mafia US is.
    NATO is a US weapon sales club...
    Now our old Dutch leader (the right just voted him away) will head NATO.
    He is not the brightest, disaster is guaranteed.
    NATO has commie paranoia generals... I had a conversation with some.
    Same was in the US long ago, Mc Carthy era.
    Banning tiktok, now banning that Russian security software,
    the list is endless.
    I see alliances forming: Russia, China, North Korea, N Vietnam.
    Different finance systems in use.
    US busy stealing Russian assets to finance their weapons as YouKrane is already backrupt..
    it cannot pay interest on their loans it seems.

    A bit more and China dumps the US debt it holds, Japan may follow..
    Japan may change sides and align with Russia and China.
    I have this little globe, look at the surface area of that US compared to those that oppose it now.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Dimiter_Popoff@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Fri Jun 21 16:09:42 2024
    On 6/21/2024 15:11, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Fri, 21 Jun 2024 13:41:42 +0300) it happened Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> wrote in <v53ld7$34ang$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 6/19/2024 23:47, john larkin wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 17:49:28 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
    <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 07:48:46 -0700, john larkin wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 14:35:28 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>> wrote:

    On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jun 2024 06:18:42 -0700) it happened john larkin >>>>>> <jl@650pot.com> wrote in <9jl57jl75daa4rull8cpc0ung6hvbtkl5s@4ax.com>: >>>>>>
    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 08:53:34 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote: >>>>>>>
    On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 13:00:23 -0700, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>
    https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/major-chinese-
    semiconductor-company-goes-bankrupt-23-others-recently-withdrew-ipo-ap >>>>>>>>> plications

    Good grief. Crazy numbers.

    10,000 bankruptcies representing only 1 in 5 start-ups for the year. >>>>>>>>
    Sounds like a normal ratio.

    RL

    The idea of any country "registering" 50,000 semiconductor companies in >>>>>>> one year is absurd. It's the same corrupt fad dynamics as the Chinese >>>>>>> real-estate scam.

    Communism always becomes savage and corrupt and inefficient.

    I do not see it that way.
    Making crap and selling it at taxpayers cost is typical US Boing
    Starliner leaking Helium and has their astronuts stuck in space,
    ... Boing airplanes that fsll apart and killed hundreds.

    Airbus planes have killed people too.

    The two nasty 737 crashes were a combination of bad control system desgn >>>>> and bad piloting, not things falling apart.



    other dangerous products such as vaccins against virusses produced by >>>>>> the same US,
    worshipping criminals againt humanity like DRRRRR FAUlty it suffers from >>>>>> a milli-tary industrial complex that makes crap noisy shit airplanes >>>>>> that pollute the skies here: F35, an ever raising debt, more than a >>>>>> third world country,
    a basically 2 party sustem that gives people the worst of both,... >>>>>> A war mongering bunch killing people all over the world Totally corrupt >>>>> >from top to bottom and proud of it.
    An IQ that gete lower and lower...
    dolly no longer coupled to gold value, just shit paper.


    It's really the wrong environment for inventing and developing
    electronics.
    The US has lots of started-small innovative tech companies, some of >>>>>>> which are world-dominant now. I see a some of that in the UK and >>>>>>> Ireland and a bit in France and the Netherlands.


    The sequence matters. Some outfits start with ideas and eventually make >>>>>>> a lot of money. Some start with a heap of invested money, have no >>>>>>> original ideas, and fail.

    The sequence is that the US empire will soon cease to exist.
    West coast was always part of China :-)
    More info in 'planets of the apes'

    US hates it own people, puts sanctions on cheap good Chinese products >>>>>> and increases taxes so its war mongering industry has jobs, better just >>>>>> give them the money they steal from the taxpayers directly...
    Even better have them make products that benefit people.
    That will save lives worldwide covid makers!!

    US just an other ant-heap in decline, fire ants at that...

    Darwin applies, bye bye US, byethen [buythen] and club,
    Get the fuck out of Europe war mongering shitheads!!


    How are your Russian lessons coming along?

    Jan is right about the propensity of the US to go into unnecessary and >>>> unjustifiable conflicts around the world, though.

    We should have stayed out of WWI and WWII. The history of europe is
    millenia of warfare. We should stay out of the current one too.


    Probably a bad idea in the long run. The people making these decisions
    are not stupid and forecasting the consequences of say Hitler having had
    all Europe must have been evaluated etc.
    Then "staying out of all conflicts" is also counterproductive for the
    defence capabilities. Without trained and *experienced* personnel the US
    can no longer be the superpower it is. Losing this status is hardly
    affordable. What they can do is pick the "right" conflicts
    to get involved in.
    As for the Russian whining how capitalism - and the the US - will rot to
    its death - well, they have been whining that for well over a century
    by now, it is outright moronic to be pro-Kremlin; not many of that
    kind in the group but astonishingly we do have one, and he is not a
    stupid person at all.

    Russia has a different history
    After killing Hitler they were then sending a beeping spacecraft orbiting earth (Sputnik)
    US wanted that too. took them years..
    Same for MIR space station, now ISS
    US looks dead to me in space,
    was watching NASA TV (satellite) yesterday for an hour or so to see what
    they would do about those astronuts stuck due to helium leaks in that starliner capsule..
    No word of it, endles stuff about their man on the moon and how astronuts from the Apollo 13 mishap were rescued..
    Sure they got to the moon and back in the seventies... since then US has fallen way back technologically
    Lots of crap about AI ..it is just a game, by the time US kids learn from AI its all over :-).
    Now more religious crap: the ten commandments in public schools.
    And that is a state filled with mass-murderers like Faulty and a half senile president selling weapons to some jews
    that are worse than Hitler it seems.
    You should see the starving kids in that Palestinian area, just bones... never seen anything like that
    Al Jazeera satellite this morning (and even they are prohibited from reporting to and from israhell).
    And US having their European slave countries banning the Russian viewpoint from being transmitted.
    Threatening our chip makers not to sell to China or else.
    What a fucking mafia US is.
    NATO is a US weapon sales club...
    Now our old Dutch leader (the right just voted him away) will head NATO.
    He is not the brightest, disaster is guaranteed.
    NATO has commie paranoia generals... I had a conversation with some.
    Same was in the US long ago, Mc Carthy era.
    Banning tiktok, now banning that Russian security software,
    the list is endless.
    I see alliances forming: Russia, China, North Korea, N Vietnam.
    Different finance systems in use.
    US busy stealing Russian assets to finance their weapons as YouKrane is already backrupt..
    it cannot pay interest on their loans it seems.

    A bit more and China dumps the US debt it holds, Japan may follow..
    Japan may change sides and align with Russia and China.
    I have this little globe, look at the surface area of that US compared to those that oppose it now.



    Oh please.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From john larkin@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 21 07:07:46 2024
    On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 16:09:42 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com>
    wrote:

    On 6/21/2024 15:11, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Fri, 21 Jun 2024 13:41:42 +0300) it happened Dimiter_Popoff >> <dp@tgi-sci.com> wrote in <v53ld7$34ang$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 6/19/2024 23:47, john larkin wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 17:49:28 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
    <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 07:48:46 -0700, john larkin wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 14:35:28 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>> wrote:

    On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jun 2024 06:18:42 -0700) it happened john larkin
    <jl@650pot.com> wrote in <9jl57jl75daa4rull8cpc0ung6hvbtkl5s@4ax.com>: >>>>>>>
    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 08:53:34 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote: >>>>>>>>
    On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 13:00:23 -0700, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:

    https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/major-chinese-
    semiconductor-company-goes-bankrupt-23-others-recently-withdrew-ipo-ap >>>>>>>>>> plications

    Good grief. Crazy numbers.

    10,000 bankruptcies representing only 1 in 5 start-ups for the year. >>>>>>>>>
    Sounds like a normal ratio.

    RL

    The idea of any country "registering" 50,000 semiconductor companies in
    one year is absurd. It's the same corrupt fad dynamics as the Chinese >>>>>>>> real-estate scam.

    Communism always becomes savage and corrupt and inefficient.

    I do not see it that way.
    Making crap and selling it at taxpayers cost is typical US Boing >>>>>>> Starliner leaking Helium and has their astronuts stuck in space, >>>>>>> ... Boing airplanes that fsll apart and killed hundreds.

    Airbus planes have killed people too.

    The two nasty 737 crashes were a combination of bad control system desgn >>>>>> and bad piloting, not things falling apart.



    other dangerous products such as vaccins against virusses produced by >>>>>>> the same US,
    worshipping criminals againt humanity like DRRRRR FAUlty it suffers from
    a milli-tary industrial complex that makes crap noisy shit airplanes >>>>>>> that pollute the skies here: F35, an ever raising debt, more than a >>>>>>> third world country,
    a basically 2 party sustem that gives people the worst of both,... >>>>>>> A war mongering bunch killing people all over the world Totally corrupt >>>>>> >from top to bottom and proud of it.
    An IQ that gete lower and lower...
    dolly no longer coupled to gold value, just shit paper.


    It's really the wrong environment for inventing and developing >>>>>>>> electronics.
    The US has lots of started-small innovative tech companies, some of >>>>>>>> which are world-dominant now. I see a some of that in the UK and >>>>>>>> Ireland and a bit in France and the Netherlands.


    The sequence matters. Some outfits start with ideas and eventually make
    a lot of money. Some start with a heap of invested money, have no >>>>>>>> original ideas, and fail.

    The sequence is that the US empire will soon cease to exist.
    West coast was always part of China :-)
    More info in 'planets of the apes'

    US hates it own people, puts sanctions on cheap good Chinese products >>>>>>> and increases taxes so its war mongering industry has jobs, better just >>>>>>> give them the money they steal from the taxpayers directly...
    Even better have them make products that benefit people.
    That will save lives worldwide covid makers!!

    US just an other ant-heap in decline, fire ants at that...

    Darwin applies, bye bye US, byethen [buythen] and club,
    Get the fuck out of Europe war mongering shitheads!!


    How are your Russian lessons coming along?

    Jan is right about the propensity of the US to go into unnecessary and >>>>> unjustifiable conflicts around the world, though.

    We should have stayed out of WWI and WWII. The history of europe is
    millenia of warfare. We should stay out of the current one too.


    Probably a bad idea in the long run. The people making these decisions
    are not stupid and forecasting the consequences of say Hitler having had >>> all Europe must have been evaluated etc.
    Then "staying out of all conflicts" is also counterproductive for the
    defence capabilities. Without trained and *experienced* personnel the US >>> can no longer be the superpower it is. Losing this status is hardly
    affordable. What they can do is pick the "right" conflicts
    to get involved in.
    As for the Russian whining how capitalism - and the the US - will rot to >>> its death - well, they have been whining that for well over a century
    by now, it is outright moronic to be pro-Kremlin; not many of that
    kind in the group but astonishingly we do have one, and he is not a
    stupid person at all.

    Russia has a different history
    After killing Hitler they were then sending a beeping spacecraft orbiting earth (Sputnik)
    US wanted that too. took them years..
    Same for MIR space station, now ISS
    US looks dead to me in space,
    was watching NASA TV (satellite) yesterday for an hour or so to see what
    they would do about those astronuts stuck due to helium leaks in that starliner capsule..
    No word of it, endles stuff about their man on the moon and how astronuts from the Apollo 13 mishap were rescued..
    Sure they got to the moon and back in the seventies... since then US has fallen way back technologically
    Lots of crap about AI ..it is just a game, by the time US kids learn from AI its all over :-).
    Now more religious crap: the ten commandments in public schools.
    And that is a state filled with mass-murderers like Faulty and a half senile president selling weapons to some jews
    that are worse than Hitler it seems.
    You should see the starving kids in that Palestinian area, just bones... never seen anything like that
    Al Jazeera satellite this morning (and even they are prohibited from reporting to and from israhell).
    And US having their European slave countries banning the Russian viewpoint from being transmitted.
    Threatening our chip makers not to sell to China or else.
    What a fucking mafia US is.
    NATO is a US weapon sales club...
    Now our old Dutch leader (the right just voted him away) will head NATO.
    He is not the brightest, disaster is guaranteed.
    NATO has commie paranoia generals... I had a conversation with some.
    Same was in the US long ago, Mc Carthy era.
    Banning tiktok, now banning that Russian security software,
    the list is endless.
    I see alliances forming: Russia, China, North Korea, N Vietnam.
    Different finance systems in use.
    US busy stealing Russian assets to finance their weapons as YouKrane is already backrupt..
    it cannot pay interest on their loans it seems.

    A bit more and China dumps the US debt it holds, Japan may follow..
    Japan may change sides and align with Russia and China.
    I have this little globe, look at the surface area of that US compared to those that oppose it now.



    Oh please.

    It is interesting how the crazy bad guys stick together. Hitler with
    Mussolini and Stalin, Russia with China and Belarus and the norks and
    various terrorist states, patterns like that.

    Of course it's an uneasy alliance, since they really can't trust one
    another.

    Vietnam is of course afraid of China and is swinging towards the USA.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Dimiter_Popoff@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Fri Jun 21 18:01:58 2024
    On 6/20/2024 1:20, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 15:10:51 -0700, john larkin wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 21:41:20 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
    <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 13:47:25 -0700, john larkin wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 17:49:28 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
    <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 07:48:46 -0700, john larkin wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 14:35:28 GMT, Jan Panteltje
    <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jun 2024 06:18:42 -0700) it happened john >>>>>>> larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote in
    <9jl57jl75daa4rull8cpc0ung6hvbtkl5s@4ax.com>:

    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 08:53:34 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> >>>>>>>> wrote:

    On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 13:00:23 -0700, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:

    https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/major-chinese-
    semiconductor-company-goes-bankrupt-23-others-recently-withdrew-ipo-ap >>>>>>>>>> plications

    Good grief. Crazy numbers.

    10,000 bankruptcies representing only 1 in 5 start-ups for the >>>>>>>>> year.

    Sounds like a normal ratio.

    RL

    The idea of any country "registering" 50,000 semiconductor
    companies in one year is absurd. It's the same corrupt fad
    dynamics as the Chinese real-estate scam.

    Communism always becomes savage and corrupt and inefficient.

    I do not see it that way.
    Making crap and selling it at taxpayers cost is typical US Boing >>>>>>> Starliner leaking Helium and has their astronuts stuck in space, >>>>>>> ... Boing airplanes that fsll apart and killed hundreds.

    Airbus planes have killed people too.

    The two nasty 737 crashes were a combination of bad control system >>>>>> desgn and bad piloting, not things falling apart.



    other dangerous products such as vaccins against virusses produced >>>>>>> by the same US,
    worshipping criminals againt humanity like DRRRRR FAUlty it suffers >>>>>> >from a milli-tary industrial complex that makes crap noisy shit
    airplanes that pollute the skies here: F35, an ever raising debt, >>>>>>> more than a third world country,
    a basically 2 party sustem that gives people the worst of both,... >>>>>>> A war mongering bunch killing people all over the world Totally
    corrupt from top to bottom and proud of it.
    An IQ that gete lower and lower...
    dolly no longer coupled to gold value, just shit paper.


    It's really the wrong environment for inventing and developing >>>>>>>> electronics.
    The US has lots of started-small innovative tech companies, some of >>>>>>>> which are world-dominant now. I see a some of that in the UK and >>>>>>>> Ireland and a bit in France and the Netherlands.


    The sequence matters. Some outfits start with ideas and eventually >>>>>>>> make a lot of money. Some start with a heap of invested money, have >>>>>>>> no original ideas, and fail.

    The sequence is that the US empire will soon cease to exist.
    West coast was always part of China :-)
    More info in 'planets of the apes'

    US hates it own people, puts sanctions on cheap good Chinese
    products and increases taxes so its war mongering industry has jobs, >>>>>>> better just give them the money they steal from the taxpayers
    directly... Even better have them make products that benefit people. >>>>>>> That will save lives worldwide covid makers!!

    US just an other ant-heap in decline, fire ants at that...

    Darwin applies, bye bye US, byethen [buythen] and club,
    Get the fuck out of Europe war mongering shitheads!!


    How are your Russian lessons coming along?

    Jan is right about the propensity of the US to go into unnecessary and >>>>> unjustifiable conflicts around the world, though.

    We should have stayed out of WWI and WWII. The history of europe is
    millenia of warfare. We should stay out of the current one too.

    +1.
    This is what Trump is arguing for and I believe an awful lot of people
    will find it *very* persuasive.

    I wonder what the world would be like today if Germany and Italy and
    Japan had won.

    Globalist-free.

    Exactly. With all the add-on benefits which come with that, like
    concentration camps, everyone obediently waiting in line for anything
    until the approval of some official - oh, and for those who dare to
    stray a little there are always the gas chambers.

    A good starting point for all the flat-earthers who invariably
    are attracted to criminals like Putin, fatboy Kim etc. is to comprehend
    the fact that the Earth *is a globe*.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 21 22:27:57 2024
    On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 12:11:46 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    On a sunny day (Fri, 21 Jun 2024 13:41:42 +0300) it happened Dimiter_Popoff ><dp@tgi-sci.com> wrote in <v53ld7$34ang$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 6/19/2024 23:47, john larkin wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 17:49:28 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
    <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 07:48:46 -0700, john larkin wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 14:35:28 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>> wrote:

    On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jun 2024 06:18:42 -0700) it happened john larkin >>>>>> <jl@650pot.com> wrote in <9jl57jl75daa4rull8cpc0ung6hvbtkl5s@4ax.com>: >>>>>>
    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 08:53:34 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote: >>>>>>>
    On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 13:00:23 -0700, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>
    https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/major-chinese-
    semiconductor-company-goes-bankrupt-23-others-recently-withdrew-ipo-ap >>>>>>>>> plications

    Good grief. Crazy numbers.

    10,000 bankruptcies representing only 1 in 5 start-ups for the year. >>>>>>>>
    Sounds like a normal ratio.

    RL

    The idea of any country "registering" 50,000 semiconductor companies in >>>>>>> one year is absurd. It's the same corrupt fad dynamics as the Chinese >>>>>>> real-estate scam.

    Communism always becomes savage and corrupt and inefficient.

    I do not see it that way.
    Making crap and selling it at taxpayers cost is typical US Boing
    Starliner leaking Helium and has their astronuts stuck in space,
    ... Boing airplanes that fsll apart and killed hundreds.

    Airbus planes have killed people too.

    The two nasty 737 crashes were a combination of bad control system desgn >>>>> and bad piloting, not things falling apart.



    other dangerous products such as vaccins against virusses produced by >>>>>> the same US,
    worshipping criminals againt humanity like DRRRRR FAUlty it suffers from >>>>>> a milli-tary industrial complex that makes crap noisy shit airplanes >>>>>> that pollute the skies here: F35, an ever raising debt, more than a >>>>>> third world country,
    a basically 2 party sustem that gives people the worst of both,... >>>>>> A war mongering bunch killing people all over the world Totally corrupt >>>>> >from top to bottom and proud of it.
    An IQ that gete lower and lower...
    dolly no longer coupled to gold value, just shit paper.


    It's really the wrong environment for inventing and developing
    electronics.
    The US has lots of started-small innovative tech companies, some of >>>>>>> which are world-dominant now. I see a some of that in the UK and >>>>>>> Ireland and a bit in France and the Netherlands.


    The sequence matters. Some outfits start with ideas and eventually make >>>>>>> a lot of money. Some start with a heap of invested money, have no >>>>>>> original ideas, and fail.

    The sequence is that the US empire will soon cease to exist.
    West coast was always part of China :-)
    More info in 'planets of the apes'

    US hates it own people, puts sanctions on cheap good Chinese products >>>>>> and increases taxes so its war mongering industry has jobs, better just >>>>>> give them the money they steal from the taxpayers directly...
    Even better have them make products that benefit people.
    That will save lives worldwide covid makers!!

    US just an other ant-heap in decline, fire ants at that...

    Darwin applies, bye bye US, byethen [buythen] and club,
    Get the fuck out of Europe war mongering shitheads!!


    How are your Russian lessons coming along?

    Jan is right about the propensity of the US to go into unnecessary and >>>> unjustifiable conflicts around the world, though.

    We should have stayed out of WWI and WWII. The history of europe is
    millenia of warfare. We should stay out of the current one too.


    Probably a bad idea in the long run. The people making these decisions
    are not stupid and forecasting the consequences of say Hitler having had >>all Europe must have been evaluated etc.
    Then "staying out of all conflicts" is also counterproductive for the >>defence capabilities. Without trained and *experienced* personnel the US >>can no longer be the superpower it is. Losing this status is hardly >>affordable. What they can do is pick the "right" conflicts
    to get involved in.
    As for the Russian whining how capitalism - and the the US - will rot to >>its death - well, they have been whining that for well over a century
    by now, it is outright moronic to be pro-Kremlin; not many of that
    kind in the group but astonishingly we do have one, and he is not a
    stupid person at all.

    Russia has a different history
    After killing Hitler they were then sending a beeping spacecraft orbiting earth (Sputnik)
    US wanted that too. took them years..
    Same for MIR space station, now ISS
    US looks dead to me in space,
    was watching NASA TV (satellite) yesterday for an hour or so to see what
    they would do about those astronuts stuck due to helium leaks in that starliner capsule..
    No word of it, endles stuff about their man on the moon and how astronuts from the Apollo 13 mishap were rescued..
    Sure they got to the moon and back in the seventies... since then US has fallen way back technologically
    Lots of crap about AI ..it is just a game, by the time US kids learn from AI its all over :-).
    Now more religious crap: the ten commandments in public schools.
    And that is a state filled with mass-murderers like Faulty and a half senile president selling weapons to some jews
    that are worse than Hitler it seems.
    You should see the starving kids in that Palestinian area, just bones... never seen anything like that
    Al Jazeera satellite this morning (and even they are prohibited from reporting to and from israhell).
    And US having their European slave countries banning the Russian viewpoint from being transmitted.
    Threatening our chip makers not to sell to China or else.
    What a fucking mafia US is.
    NATO is a US weapon sales club...
    Now our old Dutch leader (the right just voted him away) will head NATO.
    He is not the brightest, disaster is guaranteed.
    NATO has commie paranoia generals... I had a conversation with some.
    Same was in the US long ago, Mc Carthy era.
    Banning tiktok, now banning that Russian security software,
    the list is endless.
    I see alliances forming: Russia, China, North Korea, N Vietnam.
    Different finance systems in use.
    US busy stealing Russian assets to finance their weapons as YouKrane is already backrupt..
    it cannot pay interest on their loans it seems.

    A bit more and China dumps the US debt it holds, Japan may follow..
    Japan may change sides and align with Russia and China.
    I have this little globe, look at the surface area of that US compared to those that oppose it now.


    The US made a huge mistake in weaponizing the dollar and seizing the
    assets of other countries. People have seen what happened with Russia
    and have to now plan for the possibility that could happen to them
    too, even if they currently enjoy good relations with the US. Hence
    the phenomenon of de-dollarization. You can't have a politicized
    reserve currency; just doesn't work.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From john larkin@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 21 17:00:03 2024
    On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 22:27:57 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 12:11:46 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    On a sunny day (Fri, 21 Jun 2024 13:41:42 +0300) it happened Dimiter_Popoff >><dp@tgi-sci.com> wrote in <v53ld7$34ang$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 6/19/2024 23:47, john larkin wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 17:49:28 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
    <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 07:48:46 -0700, john larkin wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 14:35:28 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>> wrote:

    On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jun 2024 06:18:42 -0700) it happened john larkin
    <jl@650pot.com> wrote in <9jl57jl75daa4rull8cpc0ung6hvbtkl5s@4ax.com>: >>>>>>>
    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 08:53:34 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote: >>>>>>>>
    On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 13:00:23 -0700, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:

    https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/major-chinese-
    semiconductor-company-goes-bankrupt-23-others-recently-withdrew-ipo-ap >>>>>>>>>> plications

    Good grief. Crazy numbers.

    10,000 bankruptcies representing only 1 in 5 start-ups for the year. >>>>>>>>>
    Sounds like a normal ratio.

    RL

    The idea of any country "registering" 50,000 semiconductor companies in
    one year is absurd. It's the same corrupt fad dynamics as the Chinese >>>>>>>> real-estate scam.

    Communism always becomes savage and corrupt and inefficient.

    I do not see it that way.
    Making crap and selling it at taxpayers cost is typical US Boing >>>>>>> Starliner leaking Helium and has their astronuts stuck in space, >>>>>>> ... Boing airplanes that fsll apart and killed hundreds.

    Airbus planes have killed people too.

    The two nasty 737 crashes were a combination of bad control system desgn >>>>>> and bad piloting, not things falling apart.



    other dangerous products such as vaccins against virusses produced by >>>>>>> the same US,
    worshipping criminals againt humanity like DRRRRR FAUlty it suffers from
    a milli-tary industrial complex that makes crap noisy shit airplanes >>>>>>> that pollute the skies here: F35, an ever raising debt, more than a >>>>>>> third world country,
    a basically 2 party sustem that gives people the worst of both,... >>>>>>> A war mongering bunch killing people all over the world Totally corrupt >>>>>> >from top to bottom and proud of it.
    An IQ that gete lower and lower...
    dolly no longer coupled to gold value, just shit paper.


    It's really the wrong environment for inventing and developing >>>>>>>> electronics.
    The US has lots of started-small innovative tech companies, some of >>>>>>>> which are world-dominant now. I see a some of that in the UK and >>>>>>>> Ireland and a bit in France and the Netherlands.


    The sequence matters. Some outfits start with ideas and eventually make
    a lot of money. Some start with a heap of invested money, have no >>>>>>>> original ideas, and fail.

    The sequence is that the US empire will soon cease to exist.
    West coast was always part of China :-)
    More info in 'planets of the apes'

    US hates it own people, puts sanctions on cheap good Chinese products >>>>>>> and increases taxes so its war mongering industry has jobs, better just >>>>>>> give them the money they steal from the taxpayers directly...
    Even better have them make products that benefit people.
    That will save lives worldwide covid makers!!

    US just an other ant-heap in decline, fire ants at that...

    Darwin applies, bye bye US, byethen [buythen] and club,
    Get the fuck out of Europe war mongering shitheads!!


    How are your Russian lessons coming along?

    Jan is right about the propensity of the US to go into unnecessary and >>>>> unjustifiable conflicts around the world, though.

    We should have stayed out of WWI and WWII. The history of europe is
    millenia of warfare. We should stay out of the current one too.


    Probably a bad idea in the long run. The people making these decisions >>>are not stupid and forecasting the consequences of say Hitler having had >>>all Europe must have been evaluated etc.
    Then "staying out of all conflicts" is also counterproductive for the >>>defence capabilities. Without trained and *experienced* personnel the US >>>can no longer be the superpower it is. Losing this status is hardly >>>affordable. What they can do is pick the "right" conflicts
    to get involved in.
    As for the Russian whining how capitalism - and the the US - will rot to >>>its death - well, they have been whining that for well over a century
    by now, it is outright moronic to be pro-Kremlin; not many of that
    kind in the group but astonishingly we do have one, and he is not a >>>stupid person at all.

    Russia has a different history
    After killing Hitler they were then sending a beeping spacecraft orbiting earth (Sputnik)
    US wanted that too. took them years..
    Same for MIR space station, now ISS
    US looks dead to me in space,
    was watching NASA TV (satellite) yesterday for an hour or so to see what >>they would do about those astronuts stuck due to helium leaks in that starliner capsule..
    No word of it, endles stuff about their man on the moon and how astronuts from the Apollo 13 mishap were rescued..
    Sure they got to the moon and back in the seventies... since then US has fallen way back technologically
    Lots of crap about AI ..it is just a game, by the time US kids learn from AI its all over :-).
    Now more religious crap: the ten commandments in public schools.
    And that is a state filled with mass-murderers like Faulty and a half senile president selling weapons to some jews
    that are worse than Hitler it seems.
    You should see the starving kids in that Palestinian area, just bones... never seen anything like that
    Al Jazeera satellite this morning (and even they are prohibited from reporting to and from israhell).
    And US having their European slave countries banning the Russian viewpoint from being transmitted.
    Threatening our chip makers not to sell to China or else.
    What a fucking mafia US is.
    NATO is a US weapon sales club...
    Now our old Dutch leader (the right just voted him away) will head NATO.
    He is not the brightest, disaster is guaranteed.
    NATO has commie paranoia generals... I had a conversation with some.
    Same was in the US long ago, Mc Carthy era.
    Banning tiktok, now banning that Russian security software,
    the list is endless.
    I see alliances forming: Russia, China, North Korea, N Vietnam.
    Different finance systems in use.
    US busy stealing Russian assets to finance their weapons as YouKrane is already backrupt..
    it cannot pay interest on their loans it seems.

    A bit more and China dumps the US debt it holds, Japan may follow..
    Japan may change sides and align with Russia and China.
    I have this little globe, look at the surface area of that US compared to those that oppose it now.


    The US made a huge mistake in weaponizing the dollar and seizing the
    assets of other countries. People have seen what happened with Russia
    and have to now plan for the possibility that could happen to them
    too, even if they currently enjoy good relations with the US. Hence
    the phenomenon of de-dollarization. You can't have a politicized
    reserve currency; just doesn't work.

    Let's return to the lithium standard.

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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to john larkin on Sat Jun 22 13:12:01 2024
    On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 17:00:03 -0700, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 22:27:57 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 12:11:46 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>wrote:

    On a sunny day (Fri, 21 Jun 2024 13:41:42 +0300) it happened Dimiter_Popoff >>><dp@tgi-sci.com> wrote in <v53ld7$34ang$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 6/19/2024 23:47, john larkin wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 17:49:28 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
    <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 07:48:46 -0700, john larkin wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 14:35:28 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>>> wrote:

    On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jun 2024 06:18:42 -0700) it happened john larkin
    <jl@650pot.com> wrote in <9jl57jl75daa4rull8cpc0ung6hvbtkl5s@4ax.com>: >>>>>>>>
    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 08:53:34 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:

    On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 13:00:23 -0700, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:

    https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/major-chinese-
    semiconductor-company-goes-bankrupt-23-others-recently-withdrew-ipo-ap >>>>>>>>>>> plications

    Good grief. Crazy numbers.

    10,000 bankruptcies representing only 1 in 5 start-ups for the year. >>>>>>>>>>
    Sounds like a normal ratio.

    RL

    The idea of any country "registering" 50,000 semiconductor companies in
    one year is absurd. It's the same corrupt fad dynamics as the Chinese
    real-estate scam.

    Communism always becomes savage and corrupt and inefficient.

    I do not see it that way.
    Making crap and selling it at taxpayers cost is typical US Boing >>>>>>>> Starliner leaking Helium and has their astronuts stuck in space, >>>>>>>> ... Boing airplanes that fsll apart and killed hundreds.

    Airbus planes have killed people too.

    The two nasty 737 crashes were a combination of bad control system desgn
    and bad piloting, not things falling apart.



    other dangerous products such as vaccins against virusses produced by >>>>>>>> the same US,
    worshipping criminals againt humanity like DRRRRR FAUlty it suffers from
    a milli-tary industrial complex that makes crap noisy shit airplanes >>>>>>>> that pollute the skies here: F35, an ever raising debt, more than a >>>>>>>> third world country,
    a basically 2 party sustem that gives people the worst of both,... >>>>>>>> A war mongering bunch killing people all over the world Totally corrupt
    from top to bottom and proud of it.
    An IQ that gete lower and lower...
    dolly no longer coupled to gold value, just shit paper.


    It's really the wrong environment for inventing and developing >>>>>>>>> electronics.
    The US has lots of started-small innovative tech companies, some of >>>>>>>>> which are world-dominant now. I see a some of that in the UK and >>>>>>>>> Ireland and a bit in France and the Netherlands.


    The sequence matters. Some outfits start with ideas and eventually make
    a lot of money. Some start with a heap of invested money, have no >>>>>>>>> original ideas, and fail.

    The sequence is that the US empire will soon cease to exist.
    West coast was always part of China :-)
    More info in 'planets of the apes'

    US hates it own people, puts sanctions on cheap good Chinese products >>>>>>>> and increases taxes so its war mongering industry has jobs, better just
    give them the money they steal from the taxpayers directly...
    Even better have them make products that benefit people.
    That will save lives worldwide covid makers!!

    US just an other ant-heap in decline, fire ants at that...

    Darwin applies, bye bye US, byethen [buythen] and club,
    Get the fuck out of Europe war mongering shitheads!!


    How are your Russian lessons coming along?

    Jan is right about the propensity of the US to go into unnecessary and >>>>>> unjustifiable conflicts around the world, though.

    We should have stayed out of WWI and WWII. The history of europe is
    millenia of warfare. We should stay out of the current one too.


    Probably a bad idea in the long run. The people making these decisions >>>>are not stupid and forecasting the consequences of say Hitler having had >>>>all Europe must have been evaluated etc.
    Then "staying out of all conflicts" is also counterproductive for the >>>>defence capabilities. Without trained and *experienced* personnel the US >>>>can no longer be the superpower it is. Losing this status is hardly >>>>affordable. What they can do is pick the "right" conflicts
    to get involved in.
    As for the Russian whining how capitalism - and the the US - will rot to >>>>its death - well, they have been whining that for well over a century >>>>by now, it is outright moronic to be pro-Kremlin; not many of that
    kind in the group but astonishingly we do have one, and he is not a >>>>stupid person at all.

    Russia has a different history
    After killing Hitler they were then sending a beeping spacecraft orbiting earth (Sputnik)
    US wanted that too. took them years..
    Same for MIR space station, now ISS
    US looks dead to me in space,
    was watching NASA TV (satellite) yesterday for an hour or so to see what >>>they would do about those astronuts stuck due to helium leaks in that starliner capsule..
    No word of it, endles stuff about their man on the moon and how astronuts from the Apollo 13 mishap were rescued..
    Sure they got to the moon and back in the seventies... since then US has fallen way back technologically
    Lots of crap about AI ..it is just a game, by the time US kids learn from AI its all over :-).
    Now more religious crap: the ten commandments in public schools.
    And that is a state filled with mass-murderers like Faulty and a half senile president selling weapons to some jews
    that are worse than Hitler it seems.
    You should see the starving kids in that Palestinian area, just bones... never seen anything like that
    Al Jazeera satellite this morning (and even they are prohibited from reporting to and from israhell).
    And US having their European slave countries banning the Russian viewpoint from being transmitted.
    Threatening our chip makers not to sell to China or else.
    What a fucking mafia US is.
    NATO is a US weapon sales club...
    Now our old Dutch leader (the right just voted him away) will head NATO. >>>He is not the brightest, disaster is guaranteed.
    NATO has commie paranoia generals... I had a conversation with some.
    Same was in the US long ago, Mc Carthy era.
    Banning tiktok, now banning that Russian security software,
    the list is endless.
    I see alliances forming: Russia, China, North Korea, N Vietnam.
    Different finance systems in use.
    US busy stealing Russian assets to finance their weapons as YouKrane is already backrupt..
    it cannot pay interest on their loans it seems.

    A bit more and China dumps the US debt it holds, Japan may follow..
    Japan may change sides and align with Russia and China.
    I have this little globe, look at the surface area of that US compared to those that oppose it now.


    The US made a huge mistake in weaponizing the dollar and seizing the
    assets of other countries. People have seen what happened with Russia
    and have to now plan for the possibility that could happen to them
    too, even if they currently enjoy good relations with the US. Hence
    the phenomenon of de-dollarization. You can't have a politicized
    reserve currency; just doesn't work.

    Let's return to the lithium standard.

    Well, it is rumored that the BRICS+++ will be unveiling their new
    gold-backed currency in October, plus some alternative to SWIFT. Just
    a rumor at this stage but it'll be interesting to see how it pans out.

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  • From The Running Man@21:1/5 to jl@650pot.com on Sun Jun 30 21:48:46 2024
    On 18/06/2024 13:00 john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:
    https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/major-chinese-semiconductor-company-goes-bankrupt-23-others-recently-withdrew-ipo-applications

    Good grief. Crazy numbers.


    And the owners and upper management al fled to the West with their kids and millions in the bank.

    We shouldn't let them.

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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to john larkin on Mon Jul 1 22:59:16 2024
    On 22/06/2024 10:00 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 22:27:57 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 12:11:46 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    On a sunny day (Fri, 21 Jun 2024 13:41:42 +0300) it happened Dimiter_Popoff >>> <dp@tgi-sci.com> wrote in <v53ld7$34ang$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 6/19/2024 23:47, john larkin wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 17:49:28 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
    <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 07:48:46 -0700, john larkin wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 14:35:28 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>>> wrote:

    On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jun 2024 06:18:42 -0700) it happened john larkin
    <jl@650pot.com> wrote in <9jl57jl75daa4rull8cpc0ung6hvbtkl5s@4ax.com>: >>>>>>>>
    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 08:53:34 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:

    On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 13:00:23 -0700, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:

    <snip>

    Let's return to the lithium standard.

    Nobody ever adopted it, and there's rather too much around to make
    practical to use it as a currency.

    Money is just an abstraction, invented to serve a medium of exchange.
    Using lumps of rare metals as the medium of exchange made it more
    difficult for people to cheat, but block-chains serve the same purpose.

    We need governments with enough sense to see it that way - not that
    there's much chance of that.

    -- Bill Sloman, Sydney




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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to john larkin on Mon Jul 1 22:51:52 2024
    On 22/06/2024 12:07 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 16:09:42 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com>
    wrote:

    On 6/21/2024 15:11, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Fri, 21 Jun 2024 13:41:42 +0300) it happened Dimiter_Popoff >>> <dp@tgi-sci.com> wrote in <v53ld7$34ang$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 6/19/2024 23:47, john larkin wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 17:49:28 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
    <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 07:48:46 -0700, john larkin wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 14:35:28 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>>> wrote:

    On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jun 2024 06:18:42 -0700) it happened john larkin
    <jl@650pot.com> wrote in <9jl57jl75daa4rull8cpc0ung6hvbtkl5s@4ax.com>: >>>>>>>>
    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 08:53:34 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:

    On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 13:00:23 -0700, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:

    <snip>

    It is interesting how the crazy bad guys stick together. Hitler with Mussolini and Stalin, Russia with China and Belarus and the norks and various terrorist states, patterns like that.

    Of course it's an uneasy alliance, since they really can't trust one
    another.

    Uneasy alliances are better than no alliance at all. The crazy bad guys
    are totally unattractive allies, so they have to scrape the bottom of
    the barrel if they want any help at all.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

    Vietnam is of course afraid of China and is swinging towards the USA.



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