This question became seemingly ubiquitous following October 7. As Palestinians defied the imagination, breaking out of Gaza after over a
decade and a half of living under total air, land, and sea blockade,
many found themselves having to face this question.
On 7/06/2024 7:27 am, NefeshBarYochai wrote:
This question became seemingly ubiquitous following October 7. As
Palestinians defied the imagination, breaking out of Gaza after over a
decade and a half of living under total air, land, and sea blockade,
many found themselves having to face this question.
<snipped the rest of the tedious nonsense>
Everybody sane condemns Hamas. Murdering some 1300 people at a music
festival may be an ideological statement, but it's primarily a
psychopathic act of attention-getting terrorism, and the people who
planned it need to be locked up someplace where they can't do it again.
An idiot who tries to justify it as a political gestures is a menace,
and should be locked away on the same basis.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 15:48:06 +1000, Bill Sloman wrote:
On 7/06/2024 7:27 am, NefeshBarYochai wrote:
This question became seemingly ubiquitous following October 7. As
Palestinians defied the imagination, breaking out of Gaza after over a
decade and a half of living under total air, land, and sea blockade,
many found themselves having to face this question.
<snipped the rest of the tedious nonsense>
Everybody sane condemns Hamas. Murdering some 1300 people at a music
festival may be an ideological statement, but it's primarily a
psychopathic act of attention-getting terrorism, and the people who
planned it need to be locked up someplace where they can't do it again.
An idiot who tries to justify it as a political gestures is a menace,
and should be locked away on the same basis.
Bill has a bit of a problem with anyone who disagrees with him. He wants
them all either jailed or executed. How typically neo-Liberal!
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 15:48:06 +1000, Bill Sloman wrote:
On 7/06/2024 7:27 am, NefeshBarYochai wrote:
This question became seemingly ubiquitous following October 7. As
Palestinians defied the imagination, breaking out of Gaza after over a
decade and a half of living under total air, land, and sea blockade,
many found themselves having to face this question.
<snipped the rest of the tedious nonsense>
Everybody sane condemns Hamas. Murdering some 1300 people at a music
festival may be an ideological statement, but it's primarily a
psychopathic act of attention-getting terrorism, and the people who
planned it need to be locked up someplace where they can't do it again.
An idiot who tries to justify it as a political gestures is a menace,
and should be locked away on the same basis.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
Bill has a bit of a problem with anyone who disagrees with him. He wants
them all either jailed or executed. How typically neo-Liberal!
On 7/06/2024 5:32 pm, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 15:48:06 +1000, Bill Sloman wrote:
On 7/06/2024 7:27 am, NefeshBarYochai wrote:
This question became seemingly ubiquitous following October 7. As
Palestinians defied the imagination, breaking out of Gaza after over a >>>> decade and a half of living under total air, land, and sea blockade,
many found themselves having to face this question.
<snipped the rest of the tedious nonsense>
Everybody sane condemns Hamas. Murdering some 1300 people at a music
festival may be an ideological statement, but it's primarily a
psychopathic act of attention-getting terrorism, and the people who
planned it need to be locked up someplace where they can't do it again.
An idiot who tries to justify it as a political gestures is a menace,
and should be locked away on the same basis.
Bill has a bit of a problem with anyone who disagrees with him. He wants
them all either jailed or executed. How typically neo-Liberal!
Hamas is definitely disagreeable. Cursitor Doom seems to think that
there's something "neo-Liberal" about not liking murderous terrorists.
We know he like preposterous conspiracy theories. Presumably he's got
one about the murderous antics of Hamas.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 07:32:17 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 15:48:06 +1000, Bill Sloman wrote:
On 7/06/2024 7:27 am, NefeshBarYochai wrote:
This question became seemingly ubiquitous following October 7. As
Palestinians defied the imagination, breaking out of Gaza after over
a decade and a half of living under total air, land, and sea
blockade, many found themselves having to face this question.
<snipped the rest of the tedious nonsense>
Everybody sane condemns Hamas. Murdering some 1300 people at a music
festival may be an ideological statement, but it's primarily a
psychopathic act of attention-getting terrorism, and the people who
planned it need to be locked up someplace where they can't do it
again.
An idiot who tries to justify it as a political gestures is a menace,
and should be locked away on the same basis.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
Bill has a bit of a problem with anyone who disagrees with him. He wants >>them all either jailed or executed. How typically neo-Liberal!
I suppose there can be different opinions on the virtues of gang raping, hostage taking, and killing chidren.
Actually, Hamas makes sense. They send Jews to hell because they are heretics, and send Muslims to heaven to be blessed martyrs. So for
Hamas, killing is always win-win.
On 6/7/2024 7:52 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
On 7/06/2024 5:32 pm, Cursitor Doom wrote:North Korea, Russia, and China are looking on with envious eyes as to
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 15:48:06 +1000, Bill Sloman wrote:
On 7/06/2024 7:27 am, NefeshBarYochai wrote:
This question became seemingly ubiquitous following October 7. As
Palestinians defied the imagination, breaking out of Gaza after over >>>>> a decade and a half of living under total air, land, and sea
blockade, many found themselves having to face this question.
<snipped the rest of the tedious nonsense>
Everybody sane condemns Hamas. Murdering some 1300 people at a music
festival may be an ideological statement, but it's primarily a
psychopathic act of attention-getting terrorism, and the people who
planned it need to be locked up someplace where they can't do it
again.
An idiot who tries to justify it as a political gestures is a menace,
and should be locked away on the same basis.
Bill has a bit of a problem with anyone who disagrees with him. He
wants them all either jailed or executed. How typically neo-Liberal!
Hamas is definitely disagreeable. Cursitor Doom seems to think that
there's something "neo-Liberal" about not liking murderous terrorists.
We know he like preposterous conspiracy theories. Presumably he's got
one about the murderous antics of Hamas.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
how much firepower the US can help Israel put onto civilian targets,
they're like "Hey! that was supposed to be our job!"
They're taking notes on the "advanced tactics" being used in Gaza such
as "Today's neighborhood is grid square E4, take a squad in there, kick
down the doors of every home and office and shoot anything that moves."
For all the trillions of taxpayer dollars that have been poured into the "science" of "modern warfare" it should come as no surprise that counter-insurgency tactics haven't fundamentally changed a bit since My
Lai in 1968. Money well-spent...
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 07:32:17 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 15:48:06 +1000, Bill Sloman wrote:
On 7/06/2024 7:27 am, NefeshBarYochai wrote:
This question became seemingly ubiquitous following October 7. As
Palestinians defied the imagination, breaking out of Gaza after over a >>>> decade and a half of living under total air, land, and sea blockade,
many found themselves having to face this question.
<snipped the rest of the tedious nonsense>
Everybody sane condemns Hamas. Murdering some 1300 people at a music
festival may be an ideological statement, but it's primarily a
psychopathic act of attention-getting terrorism, and the people who
planned it need to be locked up someplace where they can't do it again.
An idiot who tries to justify it as a political gestures is a menace,
and should be locked away on the same basis.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
Bill has a bit of a problem with anyone who disagrees with him. He wants
them all either jailed or executed. How typically neo-Liberal!
I suppose there can be different opinions on the virtues of gang
raping, hostage taking, and killing children.
Actually, Hamas makes sense. They send Jews to hell because they are heretics, and send Muslims to heaven to be blessed martyrs. So for
Hamas, killing is always win-win.
On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 07:49:17 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 07:32:17 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 15:48:06 +1000, Bill Sloman wrote:
On 7/06/2024 7:27 am, NefeshBarYochai wrote:
This question became seemingly ubiquitous following October 7. As
Palestinians defied the imagination, breaking out of Gaza after over >>>>> a decade and a half of living under total air, land, and sea
blockade, many found themselves having to face this question.
<snipped the rest of the tedious nonsense>
Everybody sane condemns Hamas. Murdering some 1300 people at a music
festival may be an ideological statement, but it's primarily a
psychopathic act of attention-getting terrorism, and the people who
planned it need to be locked up someplace where they can't do it
again.
An idiot who tries to justify it as a political gestures is a menace,
and should be locked away on the same basis. I don't I doubt if s
Bill has a bit of a problem with anyone who disagrees with him. He wants >>> them all either jailed or executed. How typically neo-Liberal!
I suppose there can be different opinions on the virtues of gang raping,
hostage taking, and killing chidren.
Wow, John. I never expected to see the day when you'd defend Bill Sloman!
:-D He'll be glad to know he's finally made a friend here. ;-)
Actually, Hamas makes sense. They send Jews to hell because they are
heretics, and send Muslims to heaven to be blessed martyrs. So for
Hamas, killing is always win-win.
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 11:18:54 -0400, bitrex wrote:
On 6/7/2024 7:52 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
On 7/06/2024 5:32 pm, Cursitor Doom wrote:North Korea, Russia, and China are looking on with envious eyes as to
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 15:48:06 +1000, Bill Sloman wrote:
On 7/06/2024 7:27 am, NefeshBarYochai wrote:
This question became seemingly ubiquitous following October 7. As
Palestinians defied the imagination, breaking out of Gaza after over >>>>>> a decade and a half of living under total air, land, and sea
blockade, many found themselves having to face this question.
<snipped the rest of the tedious nonsense>
Everybody sane condemns Hamas. Murdering some 1300 people at a music >>>>> festival may be an ideological statement, but it's primarily a
psychopathic act of attention-getting terrorism, and the people who
planned it need to be locked up someplace where they can't do it
again.
An idiot who tries to justify it as a political gestures is a menace, >>>>> and should be locked away on the same basis.
Bill has a bit of a problem with anyone who disagrees with him. He
wants them all either jailed or executed. How typically neo-Liberal!
Hamas is definitely disagreeable. Cursitor Doom seems to think that
there's something "neo-Liberal" about not liking murderous terrorists.
We know he like preposterous conspiracy theories. Presumably he's got
one about the murderous antics of Hamas.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
how much firepower the US can help Israel put onto civilian targets,
they're like "Hey! that was supposed to be our job!"
They're taking notes on the "advanced tactics" being used in Gaza such
as "Today's neighborhood is grid square E4, take a squad in there, kick
down the doors of every home and office and shoot anything that moves."
Well, it does kind of nullify America's moral authority!
Perhaps you can tell us why the US supplies all these armaments to Israel effectively for free? I mean, supplying them at cost would be bad enough, given the purposes to which they're being put.
Actually, Hamas makes sense. They send Jews to hell because they are
heretics, and send Muslims to heaven to be blessed martyrs. So for
Hamas, killing is always win-win.
The Muslims don't describe Jew as heretics (which is pretty much a term
used only by Christians to describe other Christians). Jews and
Christian are seen as also people of the book - if not quite of the same
book as Muslims - and don't get persecuted by Muslims on theological
grounds.
Hamas doesn't make any kind of sense, any more than Donald Trump does.
Like him, they are performance artists who will do pretty much anything
to get the attention they crave.
Actually, Hamas makes sense. They send Jews to hell because they are heretics, and send Muslims to heaven to be blessed martyrs. So for
Hamas, killing is always win-win.
On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 07:49:17 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 07:32:17 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 15:48:06 +1000, Bill Sloman wrote:
On 7/06/2024 7:27 am, NefeshBarYochai wrote:
This question became seemingly ubiquitous following October 7. As
Palestinians defied the imagination, breaking out of Gaza after over >>>>> a decade and a half of living under total air, land, and sea
blockade, many found themselves having to face this question.
<snipped the rest of the tedious nonsense>
Everybody sane condemns Hamas. Murdering some 1300 people at a music
festival may be an ideological statement, but it's primarily a
psychopathic act of attention-getting terrorism, and the people who
planned it need to be locked up someplace where they can't do it
again.
An idiot who tries to justify it as a political gestures is a menace,
and should be locked away on the same basis.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
Bill has a bit of a problem with anyone who disagrees with him. He wants >>>them all either jailed or executed. How typically neo-Liberal!
I suppose there can be different opinions on the virtues of gang raping,
hostage taking, and killing chidren.
Wow, John. I never expected to see the day when you'd defend Bill Sloman!
On 6/7/2024 1:01 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:
Actually, Hamas makes sense. They send Jews to hell because they are
heretics, and send Muslims to heaven to be blessed martyrs. So for
Hamas, killing is always win-win.
The Muslims don't describe Jew as heretics (which is pretty much a term
used only by Christians to describe other Christians). Jews and
Christian are seen as also people of the book - if not quite of the same
book as Muslims - and don't get persecuted by Muslims on theological
grounds.
Hamas doesn't make any kind of sense, any more than Donald Trump does.
Like him, they are performance artists who will do pretty much anything
to get the attention they crave.
But for better or worse if Trump's supporters violently butchered 1300
people in the US (not a difficult event to imagine...) every Democrat
would be demanding an immediate cease fire and asking for unity and
sending thoughts and prayers, not dispatching the strike fighters out to >level the Mar-a-Lago Club and half of Palm Beach along with it.
The right's politicians have spent 30 years playing to Republicans most >vicious and violent revenge fantasies while the Dems always tell me why
I can't have what I want because it might anger the wingnuts (they
always are.) the Dems could learn a bit about how to run a campaign from >them.
On 6/7/24 16:49, john larkin wrote:
[...]
Actually, Hamas makes sense. They send Jews to hell because they are
heretics, and send Muslims to heaven to be blessed martyrs. So for
Hamas, killing is always win-win.
Some kind of sense, given that there is neither heaven, nor hell.
Religion, islam in particular, is only pernicious brainwashing.
There is no afterlife. There is only this life. Don't waste it.
Jeroen Belleman
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 16:43:58 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 07:49:17 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 07:32:17 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 15:48:06 +1000, Bill Sloman wrote:
On 7/06/2024 7:27 am, NefeshBarYochai wrote:
This question became seemingly ubiquitous following October 7. As
Palestinians defied the imagination, breaking out of Gaza after
over a decade and a half of living under total air, land, and sea
blockade, many found themselves having to face this question.
<snipped the rest of the tedious nonsense>
Everybody sane condemns Hamas. Murdering some 1300 people at a music >>>>> festival may be an ideological statement, but it's primarily a
psychopathic act of attention-getting terrorism, and the people who
planned it need to be locked up someplace where they can't do it
again.
An idiot who tries to justify it as a political gestures is a
menace,
and should be locked away on the same basis.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
Bill has a bit of a problem with anyone who disagrees with him. He >>>>wants them all either jailed or executed. How typically neo-Liberal!
I suppose there can be different opinions on the virtues of gang
raping,
hostage taking, and killing chidren.
Wow, John. I never expected to see the day when you'd defend Bill
Sloman!
Just by accident, he's sort of right once in a while.
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 11:18:54 -0400, bitrex wrote:
On 6/7/2024 7:52 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
On 7/06/2024 5:32 pm, Cursitor Doom wrote:North Korea, Russia, and China are looking on with envious eyes as to
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 15:48:06 +1000, Bill Sloman wrote:
On 7/06/2024 7:27 am, NefeshBarYochai wrote:
This question became seemingly ubiquitous following October 7. As
Palestinians defied the imagination, breaking out of Gaza after over >>>>>> a decade and a half of living under total air, land, and sea
blockade, many found themselves having to face this question.
<snipped the rest of the tedious nonsense>
Everybody sane condemns Hamas. Murdering some 1300 people at a music >>>>> festival may be an ideological statement, but it's primarily a
psychopathic act of attention-getting terrorism, and the people who
planned it need to be locked up someplace where they can't do it
again.
An idiot who tries to justify it as a political gestures is a menace, >>>>> and should be locked away on the same basis.
Bill has a bit of a problem with anyone who disagrees with him. He
wants them all either jailed or executed. How typically neo-Liberal!
Hamas is definitely disagreeable. Cursitor Doom seems to think that
there's something "neo-Liberal" about not liking murderous terrorists.
We know he like preposterous conspiracy theories. Presumably he's got
one about the murderous antics of Hamas.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
how much firepower the US can help Israel put onto civilian targets,
they're like "Hey! that was supposed to be our job!"
They're taking notes on the "advanced tactics" being used in Gaza such
as "Today's neighborhood is grid square E4, take a squad in there, kick
down the doors of every home and office and shoot anything that moves."
Well, it does kind of nullify America's moral authority!
Perhaps you can tell us why the US supplies all these armaments to Israel >effectively for free?
On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 13:22:40 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 16:43:58 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 07:49:17 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 07:32:17 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 15:48:06 +1000, Bill Sloman wrote:
On 7/06/2024 7:27 am, NefeshBarYochai wrote:
This question became seemingly ubiquitous following October 7. As >>>>>>> Palestinians defied the imagination, breaking out of Gaza after
over a decade and a half of living under total air, land, and sea >>>>>>> blockade, many found themselves having to face this question.
<snipped the rest of the tedious nonsense>
Everybody sane condemns Hamas. Murdering some 1300 people at a music >>>>>> festival may be an ideological statement, but it's primarily a
psychopathic act of attention-getting terrorism, and the people who >>>>>> planned it need to be locked up someplace where they can't do it
again.
An idiot who tries to justify it as a political gestures is a
menace,
and should be locked away on the same basis.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
Bill has a bit of a problem with anyone who disagrees with him. He >>>>>wants them all either jailed or executed. How typically neo-Liberal!
I suppose there can be different opinions on the virtues of gang
raping,
hostage taking, and killing chidren.
Wow, John. I never expected to see the day when you'd defend Bill
Sloman!
Just by accident, he's sort of right once in a while.
Like a busted clock you mean? Yeah, I guess...
"john larkin" <jl@650pot.com> wrote in message news:f7r66j9igh2jc9ndb8pj5vsc5310fbopvj@4ax.com...
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 19:53:35 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/7/24 16:49, john larkin wrote:
[...]
Actually, Hamas makes sense. They send Jews to hell because they are
heretics, and send Muslims to heaven to be blessed martyrs. So for
Hamas, killing is always win-win.
Some kind of sense, given that there is neither heaven, nor hell. >>>Religion, islam in particular, is only pernicious brainwashing.
There is no afterlife. There is only this life. Don't waste it.
Jeroen Belleman
Until you understand the origin of the universe and the nature of
consciousness, you can't know.
Religion is human's reason to have morality. Morality leads to
enlightment and a kind, just, productive society. Where else would
morality and justice come from?
One interpretation of religion is our collective feelings about proper
behavior to others. Obviously, there are different religions with,
possibly, genetic components.
In my personal experience, religious people are nicer than atheists.
https://russell-j.com/0464NP.HTM
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 19:53:35 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/7/24 16:49, john larkin wrote:
[...]
Actually, Hamas makes sense. They send Jews to hell because they are
heretics, and send Muslims to heaven to be blessed martyrs. So for
Hamas, killing is always win-win.
Some kind of sense, given that there is neither heaven, nor hell.
Religion, islam in particular, is only pernicious brainwashing.
There is no afterlife. There is only this life. Don't waste it.
Jeroen Belleman
Until you understand the origin of the universe and the nature of consciousness, you can't know.
Religion is human's reason to have morality. Morality leads to
enlightment and a kind, just, productive society. Where else would
morality and justice come from?
One interpretation of religion is our collective feelings about proper behavior to others. Obviously, there are different religions with,
possibly, genetic components.
In my personal experience, religious people are nicer than atheists.
Better cooks too.
On 6/7/24 16:49, john larkin wrote:
[...]
Actually, Hamas makes sense. They send Jews to hell because they are
heretics, and send Muslims to heaven to be blessed martyrs. So for
Hamas, killing is always win-win.
Some kind of sense, given that there is neither heaven, nor hell.
Religion, islam in particular, is only pernicious brainwashing.
There is no afterlife. There is only this life. Don't waste it.
Jeroen Belleman
On 6/7/24 22:35, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 19:53:35 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/7/24 16:49, john larkin wrote:
[...]
Actually, Hamas makes sense. They send Jews to hell because they are
heretics, and send Muslims to heaven to be blessed martyrs. So for
Hamas, killing is always win-win.
Some kind of sense, given that there is neither heaven, nor hell.
Religion, islam in particular, is only pernicious brainwashing.
There is no afterlife. There is only this life. Don't waste it.
Jeroen Belleman
Until you understand the origin of the universe and the nature of
consciousness, you can't know.
Religion is human's reason to have morality. Morality leads to
enlightment and a kind, just, productive society. Where else would
morality and justice come from?
One interpretation of religion is our collective feelings about proper
behavior to others. Obviously, there are different religions with,
possibly, genetic components.
In my personal experience, religious people are nicer than atheists.
Better cooks too.
Oh! That's nonsense. Religion is a human invention, much like
father Christmas and the tooth fairy. The difference is that
many people never get over it.
Religion has no right to claim to be the source of morality!
Morality stems from a desire to cooperate to our mutual benefit.
Religion never even comes into it.
I see no clear tendency of religious people to be nicer. I've
seen quite a few who were real bastards.
Jeroen Belleman
Oh! That's nonsense. Religion is a human invention, much like
father Christmas and the tooth fairy. The difference is that
many people never get over it.
Religion has no right to claim to be the source of morality!
Morality stems from a desire to cooperate to our mutual benefit.
Religion never even comes into it.
I see no clear tendency of religious people to be nicer. I've
seen quite a few who were real bastards.
Jeroen Belleman
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 19:53:35 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/7/24 16:49, john larkin wrote:
[...]
Actually, Hamas makes sense. They send Jews to hell because they are
heretics, and send Muslims to heaven to be blessed martyrs. So for
Hamas, killing is always win-win.
Some kind of sense, given that there is neither heaven, nor hell.
Religion, islam in particular, is only pernicious brainwashing.
There is no afterlife. There is only this life. Don't waste it.
Jeroen Belleman
Until you understand the origin of the universe and the nature of consciousness, you can't know.
Religion is human's reason to have morality. Morality leads to
enlightment and a kind, just, productive society. Where else would
morality and justice come from?
One interpretation of religion is our collective feelings about proper behavior to others. Obviously, there are different religions with,
possibly, genetic components.
In my personal experience, religious people are nicer than atheists.
Better cooks too.
Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/7/24 16:49, john larkin wrote:
[...]
Actually, Hamas makes sense. They send Jews to hell because they are
heretics, and send Muslims to heaven to be blessed martyrs. So for
Hamas, killing is always win-win.
Some kind of sense, given that there is neither heaven, nor hell.
Religion, islam in particular, is only pernicious brainwashing.
There is no afterlife. There is only this life. Don't waste it.
Jeroen Belleman
Learn how to do soul travel. It is the most important thing to do this lifetime. It will give you absolute proof there is life past this one, and that you are immortal.
"Jeroen Belleman" <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote in message news:v3vtf6$2824r$1@dont-email.me...
On 6/7/24 22:35, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 19:53:35 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/7/24 16:49, john larkin wrote:
[...]
Actually, Hamas makes sense. They send Jews to hell because they are >>>>> heretics, and send Muslims to heaven to be blessed martyrs. So for
Hamas, killing is always win-win.
Some kind of sense, given that there is neither heaven, nor hell.
Religion, islam in particular, is only pernicious brainwashing.
There is no afterlife. There is only this life. Don't waste it.
Jeroen Belleman
Until you understand the origin of the universe and the nature of
consciousness, you can't know.
Religion is human's reason to have morality. Morality leads to
enlightment and a kind, just, productive society. Where else would
morality and justice come from?
One interpretation of religion is our collective feelings about proper
behavior to others. Obviously, there are different religions with,
possibly, genetic components.
In my personal experience, religious people are nicer than atheists.
Better cooks too.
Oh! That's nonsense. Religion is a human invention, much like
father Christmas and the tooth fairy. The difference is that
many people never get over it.
Religion has no right to claim to be the source of morality!
Morality stems from a desire to cooperate to our mutual benefit.
Religion never even comes into it.
I see no clear tendency of religious people to be nicer. I've
seen quite a few who were real bastards.
That's pretty much my experience too.
On 6/7/2024 5:26 PM, Edward Rawde wrote:
"Jeroen Belleman" <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote in message news:v3vtf6$2824r$1@dont-email.me...
On 6/7/24 22:35, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 19:53:35 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/7/24 16:49, john larkin wrote:
[...]
Actually, Hamas makes sense. They send Jews to hell because they are >>>>>> heretics, and send Muslims to heaven to be blessed martyrs. So for >>>>>> Hamas, killing is always win-win.
Some kind of sense, given that there is neither heaven, nor hell.
Religion, islam in particular, is only pernicious brainwashing.
There is no afterlife. There is only this life. Don't waste it.
Jeroen Belleman
Until you understand the origin of the universe and the nature of
consciousness, you can't know.
Religion is human's reason to have morality. Morality leads to
enlightment and a kind, just, productive society. Where else would
morality and justice come from?
One interpretation of religion is our collective feelings about proper >>>> behavior to others. Obviously, there are different religions with,
possibly, genetic components.
In my personal experience, religious people are nicer than atheists.
Better cooks too.
Oh! That's nonsense. Religion is a human invention, much like
father Christmas and the tooth fairy. The difference is that
many people never get over it.
Religion has no right to claim to be the source of morality!
Morality stems from a desire to cooperate to our mutual benefit.
Religion never even comes into it.
I see no clear tendency of religious people to be nicer. I've
seen quite a few who were real bastards.
That's pretty much my experience too.
Come to New England you'll meet a different cut of conservative, who has
no need for God or the Bible to explain why they think women shouldn't
vote or homosexuals should be hung. "I just don't like the fuckers."
On 6/7/2024 5:26 PM, Edward Rawde wrote:
"Jeroen Belleman" <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote in message news:v3vtf6$2824r$1@dont-email.me...
On 6/7/24 22:35, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 19:53:35 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/7/24 16:49, john larkin wrote:
[...]
Actually, Hamas makes sense. They send Jews to hell because they are >>>>>> heretics, and send Muslims to heaven to be blessed martyrs. So for >>>>>> Hamas, killing is always win-win.
Some kind of sense, given that there is neither heaven, nor hell.
Religion, islam in particular, is only pernicious brainwashing.
There is no afterlife. There is only this life. Don't waste it.
Jeroen Belleman
Until you understand the origin of the universe and the nature of
consciousness, you can't know.
Religion is human's reason to have morality. Morality leads to
enlightment and a kind, just, productive society. Where else would
morality and justice come from?
One interpretation of religion is our collective feelings about proper >>>> behavior to others. Obviously, there are different religions with,
possibly, genetic components.
In my personal experience, religious people are nicer than atheists.
Better cooks too.
Oh! That's nonsense. Religion is a human invention, much like
father Christmas and the tooth fairy. The difference is that
many people never get over it.
Religion has no right to claim to be the source of morality!
Morality stems from a desire to cooperate to our mutual benefit.
Religion never even comes into it.
I see no clear tendency of religious people to be nicer. I've
seen quite a few who were real bastards.
That's pretty much my experience too.
Come to New England
you'll meet a different cut of conservative, who has no need for God or the Bible to explain why they think women shouldn't vote
or homosexuals should be hung. "I just don't like the fuckers."
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 16:51:24 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
"john larkin" <jl@650pot.com> wrote in message news:f7r66j9igh2jc9ndb8pj5vsc5310fbopvj@4ax.com...
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 19:53:35 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/7/24 16:49, john larkin wrote:
[...]
Actually, Hamas makes sense. They send Jews to hell because they are >>>>> heretics, and send Muslims to heaven to be blessed martyrs. So for
Hamas, killing is always win-win.
Some kind of sense, given that there is neither heaven, nor hell.
Religion, islam in particular, is only pernicious brainwashing.
There is no afterlife. There is only this life. Don't waste it.
Jeroen Belleman
Until you understand the origin of the universe and the nature of
consciousness, you can't know.
Religion is human's reason to have morality. Morality leads to
enlightment and a kind, just, productive society. Where else would
morality and justice come from?
One interpretation of religion is our collective feelings about proper
behavior to others. Obviously, there are different religions with,
possibly, genetic components.
In my personal experience, religious people are nicer than atheists.
https://russell-j.com/0464NP.HTM
Gosh, what a jerk.
"bitrex" <user@example.net> wrote in message news:6663837f$0$2363147$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
On 6/7/2024 5:26 PM, Edward Rawde wrote:
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On 6/7/24 22:35, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 19:53:35 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/7/24 16:49, john larkin wrote:
[...]
Actually, Hamas makes sense. They send Jews to hell because they are >>>>>>> heretics, and send Muslims to heaven to be blessed martyrs. So for >>>>>>> Hamas, killing is always win-win.
Some kind of sense, given that there is neither heaven, nor hell.
Religion, islam in particular, is only pernicious brainwashing.
There is no afterlife. There is only this life. Don't waste it.
Jeroen Belleman
Until you understand the origin of the universe and the nature of
consciousness, you can't know.
Religion is human's reason to have morality. Morality leads to
enlightment and a kind, just, productive society. Where else would
morality and justice come from?
One interpretation of religion is our collective feelings about proper >>>>> behavior to others. Obviously, there are different religions with,
possibly, genetic components.
In my personal experience, religious people are nicer than atheists. >>>>>
Better cooks too.
Oh! That's nonsense. Religion is a human invention, much like
father Christmas and the tooth fairy. The difference is that
many people never get over it.
Religion has no right to claim to be the source of morality!
Morality stems from a desire to cooperate to our mutual benefit.
Religion never even comes into it.
I see no clear tendency of religious people to be nicer. I've
seen quite a few who were real bastards.
That's pretty much my experience too.
Come to New England
Already lived there on two different occasions for a total of about six years.
On 6/7/2024 6:12 PM, Edward Rawde wrote:
"bitrex" <user@example.net> wrote in message
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On 6/7/2024 5:26 PM, Edward Rawde wrote:
"Jeroen Belleman" <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote in message
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On 6/7/24 22:35, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 19:53:35 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/7/24 16:49, john larkin wrote:
[...]
Actually, Hamas makes sense. They send Jews to hell because they >>>>>>>> are
heretics, and send Muslims to heaven to be blessed martyrs. So for >>>>>>>> Hamas, killing is always win-win.
Some kind of sense, given that there is neither heaven, nor hell. >>>>>>> Religion, islam in particular, is only pernicious brainwashing.
There is no afterlife. There is only this life. Don't waste it.
Jeroen Belleman
Until you understand the origin of the universe and the nature of
consciousness, you can't know.
Religion is human's reason to have morality. Morality leads to
enlightment and a kind, just, productive society. Where else would >>>>>> morality and justice come from?
One interpretation of religion is our collective feelings about
proper
behavior to others. Obviously, there are different religions with, >>>>>> possibly, genetic components.
In my personal experience, religious people are nicer than atheists. >>>>>>
Better cooks too.
Oh! That's nonsense. Religion is a human invention, much like
father Christmas and the tooth fairy. The difference is that
many people never get over it.
Religion has no right to claim to be the source of morality!
Morality stems from a desire to cooperate to our mutual benefit.
Religion never even comes into it.
I see no clear tendency of religious people to be nicer. I've
seen quite a few who were real bastards.
That's pretty much my experience too.
Come to New England
Already lived there on two different occasions for a total of about
six years.
Well the whole area is full of intelligent, pragmatic, religion-averse bastards so...
On 6/7/2024 5:20 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:[...]
Oh! That's nonsense. Religion is a human invention, much like
father Christmas and the tooth fairy. The difference is that
many people never get over it.
Religion has no right to claim to be the source of morality!
Morality stems from a desire to cooperate to our mutual benefit.
Religion never even comes into it.
I see no clear tendency of religious people to be nicer. I've
seen quite a few who were real bastards.
Jeroen Belleman
I've been acquainted with some atheists whose main objection to the
concept of a God seemed to be that it would necessarily imply there was
an entity smarter and/or more powerful than them out there somewhere.
Certainly might rub a number of engineers the wrong way:
On 6/7/2024 5:01 PM, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 16:51:24 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
"john larkin" <jl@650pot.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 19:53:35 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/7/24 16:49, john larkin wrote:
[...]
Actually, Hamas makes sense. They send Jews to hell because they are >>>>>> heretics, and send Muslims to heaven to be blessed martyrs. So for >>>>>> Hamas, killing is always win-win.
Some kind of sense, given that there is neither heaven, nor hell.
Religion, islam in particular, is only pernicious brainwashing.
There is no afterlife. There is only this life. Don't waste it.
Jeroen Belleman
Until you understand the origin of the universe and the nature of
consciousness, you can't know.
Religion is human's reason to have morality. Morality leads to
enlightment and a kind, just, productive society. Where else would
morality and justice come from?
One interpretation of religion is our collective feelings about proper >>>> behavior to others. Obviously, there are different religions with,
possibly, genetic components.
In my personal experience, religious people are nicer than atheists.
https://russell-j.com/0464NP.HTM
Gosh, what a jerk.
Religion and atheism are probably somewhat tangential issues to the
state of "being a jerk", which tends to develop based on experiences
that begin in very early childhood, well before a person is able to
grasp what either term means very well.
That is to say I'm skeptical religion or atheism alone has the power to
put the jerk in anyone who wasn't more-or-less already there, and I'm skeptical religion or atheism alone has the power to un-jerk anyone who showed up that way, already.
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 18:02:38 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 6/7/2024 5:26 PM, Edward Rawde wrote:
"Jeroen Belleman" <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote in message news:v3vtf6$2824r$1@dont-email.me...
On 6/7/24 22:35, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 19:53:35 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/7/24 16:49, john larkin wrote:
[...]
Actually, Hamas makes sense. They send Jews to hell because they are >>>>>>> heretics, and send Muslims to heaven to be blessed martyrs. So for >>>>>>> Hamas, killing is always win-win.
Some kind of sense, given that there is neither heaven, nor hell.
Religion, islam in particular, is only pernicious brainwashing.
There is no afterlife. There is only this life. Don't waste it.
Jeroen Belleman
Until you understand the origin of the universe and the nature of
consciousness, you can't know.
Religion is human's reason to have morality. Morality leads to
enlightment and a kind, just, productive society. Where else would
morality and justice come from?
One interpretation of religion is our collective feelings about proper >>>>> behavior to others. Obviously, there are different religions with,
possibly, genetic components.
In my personal experience, religious people are nicer than atheists. >>>>>
Better cooks too.
Oh! That's nonsense. Religion is a human invention, much like
father Christmas and the tooth fairy. The difference is that
many people never get over it.
Religion has no right to claim to be the source of morality!
Morality stems from a desire to cooperate to our mutual benefit.
Religion never even comes into it.
I see no clear tendency of religious people to be nicer. I've
seen quite a few who were real bastards.
That's pretty much my experience too.
Come to New England you'll meet a different cut of conservative, who has
no need for God or the Bible to explain why they think women shouldn't
vote or homosexuals should be hung. "I just don't like the fuckers."
I have lots of relatives in Mass and have spent many months of my life
in NYC and Vermont
and don't know anyone like that. Maybe you hang out
with a different crowd.
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 20:43:01 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 13:22:40 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 16:43:58 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 07:49:17 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 07:32:17 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 15:48:06 +1000, Bill Sloman wrote:I suppose there can be different opinions on the virtues of gang
On 7/06/2024 7:27 am, NefeshBarYochai wrote:
This question became seemingly ubiquitous following October 7. As >>>>>>>> Palestinians defied the imagination, breaking out of Gaza after >>>>>>>> over a decade and a half of living under total air, land, and sea >>>>>>>> blockade, many found themselves having to face this question.
<snipped the rest of the tedious nonsense>
Everybody sane condemns Hamas. Murdering some 1300 people at a
music festival may be an ideological statement, but it's primarily >>>>>>> a psychopathic act of attention-getting terrorism, and the people >>>>>>> who planned it need to be locked up someplace where they can't do >>>>>>> it again.
An idiot who tries to justify it as a political gestures is a
menace,
and should be locked away on the same basis.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
Bill has a bit of a problem with anyone who disagrees with him. He >>>>>>wants them all either jailed or executed. How typically neo-Liberal! >>>>>
raping,
hostage taking, and killing chidren.
Wow, John. I never expected to see the day when you'd defend Bill >>>>Sloman!
Just by accident, he's sort of right once in a while.
Like a busted clock you mean? Yeah, I guess...
His motivations are emotional, not logical. I see that a lot, smart
people doing very stupid things because their hormones dominate their neurons.
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 19:53:35 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/7/24 16:49, john larkin wrote:
[...]
Some kind of sense, given that there is neither heaven, nor hell.
Actually, Hamas makes sense. They send Jews to hell because they are
heretics, and send Muslims to heaven to be blessed martyrs. So for
Hamas, killing is always win-win.
Religion, islam in particular, is only pernicious brainwashing. There is
no afterlife. There is only this life. Don't waste it.
Jeroen Belleman
Until you understand the origin of the universe and the nature of consciousness, you can't know.
Religion is human's reason to have morality. Morality leads to
enlightment and a kind, just, productive society. Where else would
morality and justice come from?
One interpretation of religion is our collective feelings about proper behavior to others. Obviously, there are different religions with,
possibly, genetic components.
In my personal experience, religious people are nicer than atheists.
On 6/7/24 23:11, Mike Monett VE3BTI wrote:
Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/7/24 16:49, john larkin wrote:
[...]
Some kind of sense, given that there is neither heaven, nor hell.
Actually, Hamas makes sense. They send Jews to hell because they are
heretics, and send Muslims to heaven to be blessed martyrs. So for
Hamas, killing is always win-win.
Religion, islam in particular, is only pernicious brainwashing. There
is no afterlife. There is only this life. Don't waste it.
Jeroen Belleman
Learn how to do soul travel. It is the most important thing to do this
lifetime. It will give you absolute proof there is life past this one,
and that you are immortal.
I don't know what soul travel is, but I'm sure there is no afterlife,
just as there was no forelife. There is no soul. My existence is the
result of an uninterrupted sequence of incredibly improbable events,
going back billions of years into the past, and I will cease to exist,
never to come back,
when some essential part of my body fails.
While I'm certainly not looking forward to dying, I'm not afraid of
being dead. The need to believe in an afterlife is just another of those weird religious ideas.
Jeroen Belleman
On 6/8/24 00:15, bitrex wrote:
On 6/7/2024 5:01 PM, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 16:51:24 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
"john larkin" <jl@650pot.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 19:53:35 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/7/24 16:49, john larkin wrote:
[...]
Actually, Hamas makes sense. They send Jews to hell because they are >>>>>>> heretics, and send Muslims to heaven to be blessed martyrs. So for >>>>>>> Hamas, killing is always win-win.
Some kind of sense, given that there is neither heaven, nor hell.
Religion, islam in particular, is only pernicious brainwashing.
There is no afterlife. There is only this life. Don't waste it.
Jeroen Belleman
Until you understand the origin of the universe and the nature of
consciousness, you can't know.
Religion is human's reason to have morality. Morality leads to
enlightment and a kind, just, productive society. Where else would
morality and justice come from?
One interpretation of religion is our collective feelings about proper >>>>> behavior to others. Obviously, there are different religions with,
possibly, genetic components.
In my personal experience, religious people are nicer than atheists.
https://russell-j.com/0464NP.HTM
Gosh, what a jerk.
Religion and atheism are probably somewhat tangential issues to the
state of "being a jerk", which tends to develop based on experiences
that begin in very early childhood, well before a person is able to
grasp what either term means very well.
That is to say I'm skeptical religion or atheism alone has the power
to put the jerk in anyone who wasn't more-or-less already there, and
I'm skeptical religion or atheism alone has the power to un-jerk
anyone who showed up that way, already.
Yes, that's probably true.
Who was it that said: "Kill them all, god will know his own!". Some -presumably religious- crusader commander? Now there's a jerk.
Jeroen Belleman
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On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 18:02:38 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 6/7/2024 5:26 PM, Edward Rawde wrote:
"Jeroen Belleman" <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote in message news:v3vtf6$2824r$1@dont-email.me...
On 6/7/24 22:35, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 19:53:35 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/7/24 16:49, john larkin wrote:
[...]
Actually, Hamas makes sense. They send Jews to hell because they are >>>>>>>> heretics, and send Muslims to heaven to be blessed martyrs. So for >>>>>>>> Hamas, killing is always win-win.
Some kind of sense, given that there is neither heaven, nor hell. >>>>>>> Religion, islam in particular, is only pernicious brainwashing.
There is no afterlife. There is only this life. Don't waste it.
Jeroen Belleman
Until you understand the origin of the universe and the nature of
consciousness, you can't know.
Religion is human's reason to have morality. Morality leads to
enlightment and a kind, just, productive society. Where else would >>>>>> morality and justice come from?
One interpretation of religion is our collective feelings about proper >>>>>> behavior to others. Obviously, there are different religions with, >>>>>> possibly, genetic components.
In my personal experience, religious people are nicer than atheists. >>>>>>
Better cooks too.
Oh! That's nonsense. Religion is a human invention, much like
father Christmas and the tooth fairy. The difference is that
many people never get over it.
Religion has no right to claim to be the source of morality!
Morality stems from a desire to cooperate to our mutual benefit.
Religion never even comes into it.
I see no clear tendency of religious people to be nicer. I've
seen quite a few who were real bastards.
That's pretty much my experience too.
Come to New England you'll meet a different cut of conservative, who has >>>no need for God or the Bible to explain why they think women shouldn't >>>vote or homosexuals should be hung. "I just don't like the fuckers."
I have lots of relatives in Mass and have spent many months of my life
in NYC and Vermont
Would I be correct in thinking that you've never been outside the USA except perhaps for a short vacation?
On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 13:55:01 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 20:43:01 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 13:22:40 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 16:43:58 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 07:49:17 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 07:32:17 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 15:48:06 +1000, Bill Sloman wrote:I suppose there can be different opinions on the virtues of gang
On 7/06/2024 7:27 am, NefeshBarYochai wrote:
This question became seemingly ubiquitous following October 7. As >>>>>>>>> Palestinians defied the imagination, breaking out of Gaza after >>>>>>>>> over a decade and a half of living under total air, land, and sea >>>>>>>>> blockade, many found themselves having to face this question. >>>>>>>><snipped the rest of the tedious nonsense>
Everybody sane condemns Hamas. Murdering some 1300 people at a >>>>>>>> music festival may be an ideological statement, but it's primarily >>>>>>>> a psychopathic act of attention-getting terrorism, and the people >>>>>>>> who planned it need to be locked up someplace where they can't do >>>>>>>> it again.
An idiot who tries to justify it as a political gestures is a
menace,
and should be locked away on the same basis.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
Bill has a bit of a problem with anyone who disagrees with him. He >>>>>>>wants them all either jailed or executed. How typically neo-Liberal! >>>>>>
raping,
hostage taking, and killing chidren.
Wow, John. I never expected to see the day when you'd defend Bill >>>>>Sloman!
Just by accident, he's sort of right once in a while.
Like a busted clock you mean? Yeah, I guess...
His motivations are emotional, not logical. I see that a lot, smart
people doing very stupid things because their hormones dominate their
neurons.
That's the peculiar thing about the new Leftists, though. These people
call themselves "Liberals" but in truth they couldn't be farther away from >the original meaning of the word. Classical Liberals would be horrified at >the solution of executing or imprisoning someone who disagreed with them.
Not so the neo Liberals. It's a deeply disturbing new trend and it's not >confined solely to America.
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 19:25:36 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
"john larkin" <jl@650pot.com> wrote in message news:7b176jdajq3co9nosj8qnie8rupdrsfoav@4ax.com...
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 18:02:38 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 6/7/2024 5:26 PM, Edward Rawde wrote:
"Jeroen Belleman" <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote in message news:v3vtf6$2824r$1@dont-email.me...
On 6/7/24 22:35, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 19:53:35 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/7/24 16:49, john larkin wrote:
[...]
Actually, Hamas makes sense. They send Jews to hell because they are >>>>>>>>> heretics, and send Muslims to heaven to be blessed martyrs. So for >>>>>>>>> Hamas, killing is always win-win.
Some kind of sense, given that there is neither heaven, nor hell. >>>>>>>> Religion, islam in particular, is only pernicious brainwashing. >>>>>>>> There is no afterlife. There is only this life. Don't waste it. >>>>>>>>
Jeroen Belleman
Until you understand the origin of the universe and the nature of >>>>>>> consciousness, you can't know.
Religion is human's reason to have morality. Morality leads to
enlightment and a kind, just, productive society. Where else would >>>>>>> morality and justice come from?
One interpretation of religion is our collective feelings about proper >>>>>>> behavior to others. Obviously, there are different religions with, >>>>>>> possibly, genetic components.
In my personal experience, religious people are nicer than atheists. >>>>>>>
Better cooks too.
Oh! That's nonsense. Religion is a human invention, much like
father Christmas and the tooth fairy. The difference is that
many people never get over it.
Religion has no right to claim to be the source of morality!
Morality stems from a desire to cooperate to our mutual benefit.
Religion never even comes into it.
I see no clear tendency of religious people to be nicer. I've
seen quite a few who were real bastards.
That's pretty much my experience too.
Come to New England you'll meet a different cut of conservative, who has >>>>no need for God or the Bible to explain why they think women shouldn't >>>>vote or homosexuals should be hung. "I just don't like the fuckers."
I have lots of relatives in Mass and have spent many months of my life
in NYC and Vermont
Would I be correct in thinking that you've never been outside the USA except perhaps for a short vacation?
I have spend a few months in France and a month working in Moscow.
Some weeks working in England, in Oxford, and a few weeks vacatining
in Ireland. Some time in Hamamatsu.
I guess Alaska and Hawaii don't count.
I have never encountered the sort of nastiness that other people seem
to have. Most people are friendly and decent.
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On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 19:25:36 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
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On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 18:02:38 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 6/7/2024 5:26 PM, Edward Rawde wrote:
"Jeroen Belleman" <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote in message news:v3vtf6$2824r$1@dont-email.me...
On 6/7/24 22:35, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 19:53:35 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/7/24 16:49, john larkin wrote:
[...]
Actually, Hamas makes sense. They send Jews to hell because they are >>>>>>>>>> heretics, and send Muslims to heaven to be blessed martyrs. So for >>>>>>>>>> Hamas, killing is always win-win.
Some kind of sense, given that there is neither heaven, nor hell. >>>>>>>>> Religion, islam in particular, is only pernicious brainwashing. >>>>>>>>> There is no afterlife. There is only this life. Don't waste it. >>>>>>>>>
Jeroen Belleman
Until you understand the origin of the universe and the nature of >>>>>>>> consciousness, you can't know.
Religion is human's reason to have morality. Morality leads to >>>>>>>> enlightment and a kind, just, productive society. Where else would >>>>>>>> morality and justice come from?
One interpretation of religion is our collective feelings about proper >>>>>>>> behavior to others. Obviously, there are different religions with, >>>>>>>> possibly, genetic components.
In my personal experience, religious people are nicer than atheists. >>>>>>>>
Better cooks too.
Oh! That's nonsense. Religion is a human invention, much like
father Christmas and the tooth fairy. The difference is that
many people never get over it.
Religion has no right to claim to be the source of morality!
Morality stems from a desire to cooperate to our mutual benefit. >>>>>>> Religion never even comes into it.
I see no clear tendency of religious people to be nicer. I've
seen quite a few who were real bastards.
That's pretty much my experience too.
Come to New England you'll meet a different cut of conservative, who has >>>>>no need for God or the Bible to explain why they think women shouldn't >>>>>vote or homosexuals should be hung. "I just don't like the fuckers."
I have lots of relatives in Mass and have spent many months of my life >>>> in NYC and Vermont
Would I be correct in thinking that you've never been outside the USA except perhaps for a short vacation?
I have spend a few months in France and a month working in Moscow.
Some weeks working in England, in Oxford, and a few weeks vacatining
in Ireland. Some time in Hamamatsu.
I guess Alaska and Hawaii don't count.
I have never encountered the sort of nastiness that other people seem
to have. Most people are friendly and decent.
Well your response to my reference to https://russell-j.com/0464NP.HTM was pretty nasty in my view.
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 21:18:20 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
"john larkin" <jl@650pot.com> wrote in message news:dq976jlhrp1puom0ha9ogpte8aniroj94i@4ax.com...
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 19:25:36 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
"john larkin" <jl@650pot.com> wrote in message news:7b176jdajq3co9nosj8qnie8rupdrsfoav@4ax.com...
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 18:02:38 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 6/7/2024 5:26 PM, Edward Rawde wrote:
"Jeroen Belleman" <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote in message news:v3vtf6$2824r$1@dont-email.me...
On 6/7/24 22:35, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 19:53:35 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/7/24 16:49, john larkin wrote:
[...]
Actually, Hamas makes sense. They send Jews to hell because they are
heretics, and send Muslims to heaven to be blessed martyrs. So for >>>>>>>>>>> Hamas, killing is always win-win.
Some kind of sense, given that there is neither heaven, nor hell. >>>>>>>>>> Religion, islam in particular, is only pernicious brainwashing. >>>>>>>>>> There is no afterlife. There is only this life. Don't waste it. >>>>>>>>>>
Jeroen Belleman
Until you understand the origin of the universe and the nature of >>>>>>>>> consciousness, you can't know.
Religion is human's reason to have morality. Morality leads to >>>>>>>>> enlightment and a kind, just, productive society. Where else would >>>>>>>>> morality and justice come from?
One interpretation of religion is our collective feelings about proper
behavior to others. Obviously, there are different religions with, >>>>>>>>> possibly, genetic components.
In my personal experience, religious people are nicer than atheists. >>>>>>>>>
Better cooks too.
Oh! That's nonsense. Religion is a human invention, much like
father Christmas and the tooth fairy. The difference is that
many people never get over it.
Religion has no right to claim to be the source of morality!
Morality stems from a desire to cooperate to our mutual benefit. >>>>>>>> Religion never even comes into it.
I see no clear tendency of religious people to be nicer. I've
seen quite a few who were real bastards.
That's pretty much my experience too.
Come to New England you'll meet a different cut of conservative, who has >>>>>>no need for God or the Bible to explain why they think women shouldn't >>>>>>vote or homosexuals should be hung. "I just don't like the fuckers." >>>>>>
I have lots of relatives in Mass and have spent many months of my life >>>>> in NYC and Vermont
Would I be correct in thinking that you've never been outside the USA except perhaps for a short vacation?
I have spend a few months in France and a month working in Moscow.
Some weeks working in England, in Oxford, and a few weeks vacatining
in Ireland. Some time in Hamamatsu.
I guess Alaska and Hawaii don't count.
I have never encountered the sort of nastiness that other people seem
to have. Most people are friendly and decent.
Well your response to my reference to https://russell-j.com/0464NP.HTM was pretty nasty in my view.
BR is dead, so I didn't offend him.
He sounded smug and nasty to me.
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 23:27:38 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 13:55:01 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 20:43:01 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 13:22:40 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 16:43:58 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 07:49:17 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 07:32:17 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 15:48:06 +1000, Bill Sloman wrote:I suppose there can be different opinions on the virtues of gang >>>>>>> raping,
On 7/06/2024 7:27 am, NefeshBarYochai wrote:
This question became seemingly ubiquitous following October 7. As >>>>>>>>>> Palestinians defied the imagination, breaking out of Gaza after >>>>>>>>>> over a decade and a half of living under total air, land, and sea >>>>>>>>>> blockade, many found themselves having to face this question. >>>>>>>>><snipped the rest of the tedious nonsense>
Everybody sane condemns Hamas. Murdering some 1300 people at a >>>>>>>>> music festival may be an ideological statement, but it's primarily >>>>>>>>> a psychopathic act of attention-getting terrorism, and the people >>>>>>>>> who planned it need to be locked up someplace where they can't do >>>>>>>>> it again.
An idiot who tries to justify it as a political gestures is a >>>>>>>>> menace,
and should be locked away on the same basis.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
Bill has a bit of a problem with anyone who disagrees with him. He >>>>>>>> wants them all either jailed or executed. How typically neo-Liberal! >>>>>>>
hostage taking, and killing chidren.
Wow, John. I never expected to see the day when you'd defend Bill
Sloman!
Just by accident, he's sort of right once in a while.
Like a busted clock you mean? Yeah, I guess...
His motivations are emotional, not logical. I see that a lot, smart
people doing very stupid things because their hormones dominate their
neurons.
That's the peculiar thing about the new Leftists, though. These people
call themselves "Liberals" but in truth they couldn't be farther away from >> the original meaning of the word. Classical Liberals would be horrified at >> the solution of executing or imprisoning someone who disagreed with them.
Not so the neo Liberals. It's a deeply disturbing new trend and it's not
confined solely to America.
People, including women, are screaming and waving signs QUEERS FOR
GAZA.
Think about that one.
On 6/7/2024 8:45 PM, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 23:27:38 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 13:55:01 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 20:43:01 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 13:22:40 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 16:43:58 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 07:49:17 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 07:32:17 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 15:48:06 +1000, Bill Sloman wrote:I suppose there can be different opinions on the virtues of gang >>>>>>>> raping,
On 7/06/2024 7:27 am, NefeshBarYochai wrote:
This question became seemingly ubiquitous following October 7. As >>>>>>>>>>> Palestinians defied the imagination, breaking out of Gaza after >>>>>>>>>>> over a decade and a half of living under total air, land, and sea >>>>>>>>>>> blockade, many found themselves having to face this question. >>>>>>>>>><snipped the rest of the tedious nonsense>
Everybody sane condemns Hamas. Murdering some 1300 people at a >>>>>>>>>> music festival may be an ideological statement, but it's primarily >>>>>>>>>> a psychopathic act of attention-getting terrorism, and the people >>>>>>>>>> who planned it need to be locked up someplace where they can't do >>>>>>>>>> it again.
An idiot who tries to justify it as a political gestures is a >>>>>>>>>> menace,
and should be locked away on the same basis.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
Bill has a bit of a problem with anyone who disagrees with him. He >>>>>>>>> wants them all either jailed or executed. How typically neo-Liberal! >>>>>>>>
hostage taking, and killing chidren.
Wow, John. I never expected to see the day when you'd defend Bill >>>>>>> Sloman!
Just by accident, he's sort of right once in a while.
Like a busted clock you mean? Yeah, I guess...
His motivations are emotional, not logical. I see that a lot, smart
people doing very stupid things because their hormones dominate their
neurons.
That's the peculiar thing about the new Leftists, though. These people
call themselves "Liberals" but in truth they couldn't be farther away from >>> the original meaning of the word. Classical Liberals would be horrified at >>> the solution of executing or imprisoning someone who disagreed with them. >>> Not so the neo Liberals. It's a deeply disturbing new trend and it's not >>> confined solely to America.
People, including women, are screaming and waving signs QUEERS FOR
GAZA.
Think about that one.
Pretty surprised they haven't spotted you flying an American flag in SF
and hauled you away for your compulsory DEI training. What are the woke >police in that town even doing with all my donations!
<https://x.com/InternetHippo/status/1798923854624199013>
"john larkin" <jl@650pot.com> wrote in message news:fle76jld4pj0rj412uv49jjfe4grpupa44@4ax.com...
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 21:18:20 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
"john larkin" <jl@650pot.com> wrote in message news:dq976jlhrp1puom0ha9ogpte8aniroj94i@4ax.com...
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 19:25:36 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
"john larkin" <jl@650pot.com> wrote in message news:7b176jdajq3co9nosj8qnie8rupdrsfoav@4ax.com...
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 18:02:38 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>
On 6/7/2024 5:26 PM, Edward Rawde wrote:
"Jeroen Belleman" <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote in message news:v3vtf6$2824r$1@dont-email.me...
On 6/7/24 22:35, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 19:53:35 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/7/24 16:49, john larkin wrote:
[...]
Actually, Hamas makes sense. They send Jews to hell because they are
heretics, and send Muslims to heaven to be blessed martyrs. So for >>>>>>>>>>>> Hamas, killing is always win-win.
Some kind of sense, given that there is neither heaven, nor hell. >>>>>>>>>>> Religion, islam in particular, is only pernicious brainwashing. >>>>>>>>>>> There is no afterlife. There is only this life. Don't waste it. >>>>>>>>>>>
Jeroen Belleman
Until you understand the origin of the universe and the nature of >>>>>>>>>> consciousness, you can't know.
Religion is human's reason to have morality. Morality leads to >>>>>>>>>> enlightment and a kind, just, productive society. Where else would >>>>>>>>>> morality and justice come from?
One interpretation of religion is our collective feelings about proper
behavior to others. Obviously, there are different religions with, >>>>>>>>>> possibly, genetic components.
In my personal experience, religious people are nicer than atheists. >>>>>>>>>>
Better cooks too.
Oh! That's nonsense. Religion is a human invention, much like >>>>>>>>> father Christmas and the tooth fairy. The difference is that >>>>>>>>> many people never get over it.
Religion has no right to claim to be the source of morality! >>>>>>>>> Morality stems from a desire to cooperate to our mutual benefit. >>>>>>>>> Religion never even comes into it.
I see no clear tendency of religious people to be nicer. I've >>>>>>>>> seen quite a few who were real bastards.
That's pretty much my experience too.
Come to New England you'll meet a different cut of conservative, who has >>>>>>>no need for God or the Bible to explain why they think women shouldn't >>>>>>>vote or homosexuals should be hung. "I just don't like the fuckers." >>>>>>>
I have lots of relatives in Mass and have spent many months of my life >>>>>> in NYC and Vermont
Would I be correct in thinking that you've never been outside the USA except perhaps for a short vacation?
I have spend a few months in France and a month working in Moscow.
Some weeks working in England, in Oxford, and a few weeks vacatining
in Ireland. Some time in Hamamatsu.
I guess Alaska and Hawaii don't count.
I have never encountered the sort of nastiness that other people seem
to have. Most people are friendly and decent.
Well your response to my reference to https://russell-j.com/0464NP.HTM was pretty nasty in my view.
BR is dead, so I didn't offend him.
I don't think he would have been offended even if he were still alive. >https://www.google.com/search?q=bertrand+russell+message+to+future+generations
He sounded smug and nasty to me.
But did you take a moment to take in anything he said? Or did you just let your emotional hormones get the better of your neurones
like the rest of us are capable of doing at times?
On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 13:55:01 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 20:43:01 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 13:22:40 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 16:43:58 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 07:49:17 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 07:32:17 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 15:48:06 +1000, Bill Sloman wrote:I suppose there can be different opinions on the virtues of gang
On 7/06/2024 7:27 am, NefeshBarYochai wrote:
This question became seemingly ubiquitous following October 7. As >>>>>>>>> Palestinians defied the imagination, breaking out of Gaza after >>>>>>>>> over a decade and a half of living under total air, land, and sea >>>>>>>>> blockade, many found themselves having to face this question. >>>>>>>><snipped the rest of the tedious nonsense>
Everybody sane condemns Hamas. Murdering some 1300 people at a >>>>>>>> music festival may be an ideological statement, but it's primarily >>>>>>>> a psychopathic act of attention-getting terrorism, and the people >>>>>>>> who planned it need to be locked up someplace where they can't do >>>>>>>> it again.
An idiot who tries to justify it as a political gestures is a
menace,
and should be locked away on the same basis.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
Bill has a bit of a problem with anyone who disagrees with him. He >>>>>>> wants them all either jailed or executed. How typically neo-Liberal! >>>>>>
raping,
hostage taking, and killing chidren.
Wow, John. I never expected to see the day when you'd defend Bill
Sloman!
Just by accident, he's sort of right once in a while.
Like a busted clock you mean? Yeah, I guess...
His motivations are emotional, not logical. I see that a lot, smart
people doing very stupid things because their hormones dominate their
neurons.
That's the peculiar thing about the new Leftists, though. These people
call themselves "Liberals" but in truth they couldn't be farther away from the original meaning of the word. Classical Liberals would be horrified at the solution of executing or imprisoning someone who disagreed with them.
Not so the neo Liberals. It's a deeply disturbing new trend and it's not confined solely to America.
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 20:43:01 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 13:22:40 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 16:43:58 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 07:49:17 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 07:32:17 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 15:48:06 +1000, Bill Sloman wrote:
On 7/06/2024 7:27 am, NefeshBarYochai wrote:
His motivations are emotional, not logical. I see that a lot, smart
people doing very stupid things because their hormones dominate their neurons.
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 23:27:38 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 13:55:01 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 20:43:01 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 13:22:40 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 16:43:58 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 07:49:17 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 07:32:17 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 15:48:06 +1000, Bill Sloman wrote:
On 7/06/2024 7:27 am, NefeshBarYochai wrote:
People, including women, are screaming and waving signs QUEERS FOR
GAZA.
Think about that one.
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 23:57:54 +0200, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 6/7/24 23:11, Mike Monett VE3BTI wrote:
Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/7/24 16:49, john larkin wrote:
[...]
Some kind of sense, given that there is neither heaven, nor hell.
Actually, Hamas makes sense. They send Jews to hell because they are >>>>> heretics, and send Muslims to heaven to be blessed martyrs. So for
Hamas, killing is always win-win.
Religion, islam in particular, is only pernicious brainwashing. There
is no afterlife. There is only this life. Don't waste it.
Jeroen Belleman
Learn how to do soul travel. It is the most important thing to do this
lifetime. It will give you absolute proof there is life past this one,
and that you are immortal.
I don't know what soul travel is, but I'm sure there is no afterlife,
just as there was no forelife. There is no soul. My existence is the
result of an uninterrupted sequence of incredibly improbable events,
going back billions of years into the past, and I will cease to exist,
never to come back,
when some essential part of my body fails.
While I'm certainly not looking forward to dying, I'm not afraid of
being dead. The need to believe in an afterlife is just another of those
weird religious ideas.
Jeroen Belleman
Well, I'm not religious at all but am convinced there's an after-life. And that's not just so I can feel all warm and fuzzy. I actually find the prospect deeply concerning. I'd much rather be like you in outlook!
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 23:27:38 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 13:55:01 -0700, john larkin wrote:People, including women, are screaming and waving signs QUEERS FOR GAZA.
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 20:43:01 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 13:22:40 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 16:43:58 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 07:49:17 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 07:32:17 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 15:48:06 +1000, Bill Sloman wrote:
On 7/06/2024 7:27 am, NefeshBarYochai wrote:
This question became seemingly ubiquitous following October 7. >>>>>>>>>> As Palestinians defied the imagination, breaking out of Gaza >>>>>>>>>> after over a decade and a half of living under total air, land, >>>>>>>>>> and sea blockade, many found themselves having to face this >>>>>>>>>> question.
<snipped the rest of the tedious nonsense>
Everybody sane condemns Hamas. Murdering some 1300 people at a >>>>>>>>> music festival may be an ideological statement, but it's
primarily a psychopathic act of attention-getting terrorism, and >>>>>>>>> the people who planned it need to be locked up someplace where >>>>>>>>> they can't do it again.
An idiot who tries to justify it as a political gestures is a >>>>>>>>> menace,
and should be locked away on the same basis.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
Bill has a bit of a problem with anyone who disagrees with him. He >>>>>>>>wants them all either jailed or executed. How typically >>>>>>>>neo-Liberal!
I suppose there can be different opinions on the virtues of gang >>>>>>> raping,
hostage taking, and killing chidren.
Wow, John. I never expected to see the day when you'd defend Bill >>>>>>Sloman!
Just by accident, he's sort of right once in a while.
Like a busted clock you mean? Yeah, I guess...
His motivations are emotional, not logical. I see that a lot, smart
people doing very stupid things because their hormones dominate their
neurons.
That's the peculiar thing about the new Leftists, though. These people
call themselves "Liberals" but in truth they couldn't be farther away
from the original meaning of the word. Classical Liberals would be >>horrified at the solution of executing or imprisoning someone who
disagreed with them. Not so the neo Liberals. It's a deeply disturbing
new trend and it's not confined solely to America.
Think about that one.
On 6/8/24 01:37, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 23:57:54 +0200, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 6/7/24 23:11, Mike Monett VE3BTI wrote:
Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/7/24 16:49, john larkin wrote:
[...]
Some kind of sense, given that there is neither heaven, nor hell.
Actually, Hamas makes sense. They send Jews to hell because they
are heretics, and send Muslims to heaven to be blessed martyrs. So >>>>>> for Hamas, killing is always win-win.
Religion, islam in particular, is only pernicious brainwashing.
There is no afterlife. There is only this life. Don't waste it.
Jeroen Belleman
Learn how to do soul travel. It is the most important thing to do
this lifetime. It will give you absolute proof there is life past
this one,
and that you are immortal.
I don't know what soul travel is, but I'm sure there is no afterlife,
just as there was no forelife. There is no soul. My existence is the
result of an uninterrupted sequence of incredibly improbable events,
going back billions of years into the past, and I will cease to exist,
never to come back,
when some essential part of my body fails.
While I'm certainly not looking forward to dying, I'm not afraid of
being dead. The need to believe in an afterlife is just another of
those weird religious ideas.
Jeroen Belleman
Well, I'm not religious at all but am convinced there's an after-life.
And that's not just so I can feel all warm and fuzzy. I actually find
the prospect deeply concerning. I'd much rather be like you in outlook!
How did you come to be convinced of the existence of an afterlife,
and what kind of experience do you expect to have?
Jeroen Belleman
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 22:11:58 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
"john larkin" <jl@650pot.com> wrote in message >>news:fle76jld4pj0rj412uv49jjfe4grpupa44@4ax.com...I read the essay, and some others of his.
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 21:18:20 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
"john larkin" <jl@650pot.com> wrote in message >>>>news:dq976jlhrp1puom0ha9ogpte8aniroj94i@4ax.com...BR is dead, so I didn't offend him.
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 19:25:36 -0400, "Edward Rawde"Well your response to my reference to https://russell-j.com/0464NP.HTM >>>>was pretty nasty in my view.
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
"john larkin" <jl@650pot.com> wrote in message >>>>>>news:7b176jdajq3co9nosj8qnie8rupdrsfoav@4ax.com...
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 18:02:38 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net>
wrote:
On 6/7/2024 5:26 PM, Edward Rawde wrote:I have lots of relatives in Mass and have spent many months of my >>>>>>> life in NYC and Vermont
"Jeroen Belleman" <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote in message
news:v3vtf6$2824r$1@dont-email.me...
On 6/7/24 22:35, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 19:53:35 +0200, Jeroen BellemanOh! That's nonsense. Religion is a human invention, much like >>>>>>>>>> father Christmas and the tooth fairy. The difference is that >>>>>>>>>> many people never get over it.
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/7/24 16:49, john larkin wrote:
[...]
Some kind of sense, given that there is neither heaven, nor >>>>>>>>>>>> hell.
Actually, Hamas makes sense. They send Jews to hell because >>>>>>>>>>>>> they are heretics, and send Muslims to heaven to be blessed >>>>>>>>>>>>> martyrs. So for Hamas, killing is always win-win.
Religion, islam in particular, is only pernicious
brainwashing. There is no afterlife. There is only this life. >>>>>>>>>>>> Don't waste it.
Jeroen Belleman
Until you understand the origin of the universe and the nature >>>>>>>>>>> of consciousness, you can't know.
Religion is human's reason to have morality. Morality leads to >>>>>>>>>>> enlightment and a kind, just, productive society. Where else >>>>>>>>>>> would morality and justice come from?
One interpretation of religion is our collective feelings >>>>>>>>>>> about proper behavior to others. Obviously, there are
different religions with, possibly, genetic components.
In my personal experience, religious people are nicer than >>>>>>>>>>> atheists.
Better cooks too.
Religion has no right to claim to be the source of morality! >>>>>>>>>> Morality stems from a desire to cooperate to our mutual
benefit.
Religion never even comes into it.
I see no clear tendency of religious people to be nicer. I've >>>>>>>>>> seen quite a few who were real bastards.
That's pretty much my experience too.
Come to New England you'll meet a different cut of conservative, >>>>>>>>who has no need for God or the Bible to explain why they think >>>>>>>>women shouldn't vote or homosexuals should be hung. "I just don't >>>>>>>>like the fuckers."
Would I be correct in thinking that you've never been outside the >>>>>>USA except perhaps for a short vacation?
I have spend a few months in France and a month working in Moscow.
Some weeks working in England, in Oxford, and a few weeks vacatining >>>>> in Ireland. Some time in Hamamatsu.
I guess Alaska and Hawaii don't count.
I have never encountered the sort of nastiness that other people
seem to have. Most people are friendly and decent.
I don't think he would have been offended even if he were still alive. >>https://www.google.com/search? q=bertrand+russell+message+to+future+generations
He sounded smug and nasty to me.
But did you take a moment to take in anything he said? Or did you just
let your emotional hormones get the better of your neurones like the
rest of us are capable of doing at times?
He did have a good attitude towards women.
On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 17:45:38 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 23:27:38 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 13:55:01 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 20:43:01 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 13:22:40 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 16:43:58 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 07:49:17 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 07:32:17 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 15:48:06 +1000, Bill Sloman wrote:
On 7/06/2024 7:27 am, NefeshBarYochai wrote:
I'm not talking about the ME. I'm talking about freedom of thought and opinion in general and the fact that it's being eroded by neo-Liberalism
and political correctness.
On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 10:43:15 +0200, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
How did you come to be convinced of the existence of an afterlife,
and what kind of experience do you expect to have?
Jeroen Belleman
I'm afraid that's *way* too big and off-topic a subject for expansion on
this forum!
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 19:53:35 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/7/24 16:49, john larkin wrote:
[...]
Actually, Hamas makes sense. They send Jews to hell because they are
heretics, and send Muslims to heaven to be blessed martyrs. So for
Hamas, killing is always win-win.
Some kind of sense, given that there is neither heaven, nor hell.
Religion, islam in particular, is only pernicious brainwashing.
There is no afterlife. There is only this life. Don't waste it.
Until you understand the origin of the universe and the nature of consciousness, you can't know.
Religion is human's reason to have morality. Morality leads to
enlightment and a kind, just, productive society. Where else would
morality and justice come from?
One interpretation of religion is our collective feelings about proper behavior to others. Obviously, there are different religions with,
possibly, genetic components.
In my personal experience, religious people are nicer than atheists.
Better cooks too.
On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 10:43:15 +0200, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 6/8/24 01:37, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 23:57:54 +0200, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 6/7/24 23:11, Mike Monett VE3BTI wrote:
Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/7/24 16:49, john larkin wrote:
[...]
Some kind of sense, given that there is neither heaven, nor hell.
Actually, Hamas makes sense. They send Jews to hell because they >>>>>>> are heretics, and send Muslims to heaven to be blessed martyrs. So >>>>>>> for Hamas, killing is always win-win.
Religion, islam in particular, is only pernicious brainwashing.
There is no afterlife. There is only this life. Don't waste it.
Jeroen Belleman
Learn how to do soul travel. It is the most important thing to do
this lifetime. It will give you absolute proof there is life past
this one,
and that you are immortal.
I don't know what soul travel is, but I'm sure there is no afterlife,
just as there was no forelife. There is no soul. My existence is the
result of an uninterrupted sequence of incredibly improbable events,
going back billions of years into the past, and I will cease to exist, >>>> never to come back,
when some essential part of my body fails.
While I'm certainly not looking forward to dying, I'm not afraid of
being dead. The need to believe in an afterlife is just another of
those weird religious ideas.
Jeroen Belleman
Well, I'm not religious at all but am convinced there's an after-life.
And that's not just so I can feel all warm and fuzzy. I actually find
the prospect deeply concerning. I'd much rather be like you in outlook!
How did you come to be convinced of the existence of an afterlife,
and what kind of experience do you expect to have?
Jeroen Belleman
I'm afraid that's *way* too big and off-topic a subject for expansion on
this forum!
On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 09:54:42 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 10:43:15 +0200, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 6/8/24 01:37, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 23:57:54 +0200, Jeroen Belleman wrote:How did you come to be convinced of the existence of an afterlife,
On 6/7/24 23:11, Mike Monett VE3BTI wrote:
Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/7/24 16:49, john larkin wrote:
[...]
Some kind of sense, given that there is neither heaven, nor hell. >>>>>>> Religion, islam in particular, is only pernicious brainwashing.
Actually, Hamas makes sense. They send Jews to hell because they >>>>>>>> are heretics, and send Muslims to heaven to be blessed martyrs. So >>>>>>>> for Hamas, killing is always win-win.
There is no afterlife. There is only this life. Don't waste it.
Jeroen Belleman
Learn how to do soul travel. It is the most important thing to do
this lifetime. It will give you absolute proof there is life past
this one,
and that you are immortal.
I don't know what soul travel is, but I'm sure there is no afterlife, >>>>> just as there was no forelife. There is no soul. My existence is the >>>>> result of an uninterrupted sequence of incredibly improbable events, >>>>> going back billions of years into the past, and I will cease to exist, >>>>> never to come back,
when some essential part of my body fails.
While I'm certainly not looking forward to dying, I'm not afraid of
being dead. The need to believe in an afterlife is just another of
those weird religious ideas.
Jeroen Belleman
Well, I'm not religious at all but am convinced there's an after-life. >>>> And that's not just so I can feel all warm and fuzzy. I actually find
the prospect deeply concerning. I'd much rather be like you in outlook! >>>
and what kind of experience do you expect to have?
Jeroen Belleman
I'm afraid that's *way* too big and off-topic a subject for expansion on
this forum!
Designing electronics has obviously suggestions of quantum
consciousness, and even Einstein thought that QM was spooky.
Don't give up on miracles quite yet.
People, including women, are screaming and waving signs QUEERS FOR GAZA.
Think about that one.
I'm not talking about the ME. I'm talking about freedom of thought and opinion in general and the fact that it's being eroded by neo-Liberalism
and political correctness.
On 6/8/24 16:45, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 09:54:42 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 10:43:15 +0200, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 6/8/24 01:37, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 23:57:54 +0200, Jeroen Belleman wrote:How did you come to be convinced of the existence of an afterlife,
On 6/7/24 23:11, Mike Monett VE3BTI wrote:
Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/7/24 16:49, john larkin wrote:
[...]
Some kind of sense, given that there is neither heaven, nor hell. >>>>>>>> Religion, islam in particular, is only pernicious brainwashing. >>>>>>>> There is no afterlife. There is only this life. Don't waste it. >>>>>>>>
Actually, Hamas makes sense. They send Jews to hell because they >>>>>>>>> are heretics, and send Muslims to heaven to be blessed martyrs. So >>>>>>>>> for Hamas, killing is always win-win.
Jeroen Belleman
Learn how to do soul travel. It is the most important thing to do >>>>>>> this lifetime. It will give you absolute proof there is life past >>>>>>> this one,
and that you are immortal.
I don't know what soul travel is, but I'm sure there is no afterlife, >>>>>> just as there was no forelife. There is no soul. My existence is the >>>>>> result of an uninterrupted sequence of incredibly improbable events, >>>>>> going back billions of years into the past, and I will cease to exist, >>>>>> never to come back,
when some essential part of my body fails.
While I'm certainly not looking forward to dying, I'm not afraid of >>>>>> being dead. The need to believe in an afterlife is just another of >>>>>> those weird religious ideas.
Jeroen Belleman
Well, I'm not religious at all but am convinced there's an after-life. >>>>> And that's not just so I can feel all warm and fuzzy. I actually find >>>>> the prospect deeply concerning. I'd much rather be like you in outlook! >>>>
and what kind of experience do you expect to have?
Jeroen Belleman
I'm afraid that's *way* too big and off-topic a subject for expansion on >>> this forum!
Designing electronics has obviously suggestions of quantum
consciousness, and even Einstein thought that QM was spooky.
Don't give up on miracles quite yet.
You have referred to quantum effects in the brain many
times. In as far as the brain is a chemical machine, and
that chemistry is basically a manifestation of quantum
mechanics, I agree. In practice, QM is just a level too
deep in the abstraction stack. Somehow I believe that
that is not how you see it. Would you elaborate?
Much of technology, electronics in particular, is a miracle,
though not in the mystical or religious sense.
On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 19:30:11 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/8/24 16:45, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 09:54:42 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 10:43:15 +0200, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 6/8/24 01:37, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 23:57:54 +0200, Jeroen Belleman wrote:How did you come to be convinced of the existence of an afterlife,
On 6/7/24 23:11, Mike Monett VE3BTI wrote:
Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/7/24 16:49, john larkin wrote:
[...]
Some kind of sense, given that there is neither heaven, nor hell. >>>>>>>>> Religion, islam in particular, is only pernicious brainwashing. >>>>>>>>> There is no afterlife. There is only this life. Don't waste it. >>>>>>>>>
Actually, Hamas makes sense. They send Jews to hell because they >>>>>>>>>> are heretics, and send Muslims to heaven to be blessed martyrs. So >>>>>>>>>> for Hamas, killing is always win-win.
Jeroen Belleman
Learn how to do soul travel. It is the most important thing to do >>>>>>>> this lifetime. It will give you absolute proof there is life past >>>>>>>> this one,
and that you are immortal.
I don't know what soul travel is, but I'm sure there is no afterlife, >>>>>>> just as there was no forelife. There is no soul. My existence is the >>>>>>> result of an uninterrupted sequence of incredibly improbable events, >>>>>>> going back billions of years into the past, and I will cease to exist, >>>>>>> never to come back,
when some essential part of my body fails.
While I'm certainly not looking forward to dying, I'm not afraid of >>>>>>> being dead. The need to believe in an afterlife is just another of >>>>>>> those weird religious ideas.
Jeroen Belleman
Well, I'm not religious at all but am convinced there's an after-life. >>>>>> And that's not just so I can feel all warm and fuzzy. I actually find >>>>>> the prospect deeply concerning. I'd much rather be like you in outlook! >>>>>
and what kind of experience do you expect to have?
Jeroen Belleman
I'm afraid that's *way* too big and off-topic a subject for expansion on >>>> this forum!
Designing electronics has obviously suggestions of quantum
consciousness, and even Einstein thought that QM was spooky.
Don't give up on miracles quite yet.
You have referred to quantum effects in the brain many
times. In as far as the brain is a chemical machine, and
that chemistry is basically a manifestation of quantum
mechanics, I agree. In practice, QM is just a level too
deep in the abstraction stack. Somehow I believe that
that is not how you see it. Would you elaborate?
DNA and RNA and other things aren't flat linear molecules as the
cartoons suggest. They are twisted and tangled into writhing balls. So
any sequence gets continuously and randomly rubbed against the rest of
the string. That's a quantum cross-correlation machine.
Much of technology, electronics in particular, is a miracle,
though not in the mystical or religious sense.
I like the Barrie Gilbert essay, "Where do little circuits come from?"
They are all out there in the infinite solution space, and it's hard
to explore an infinite space serially.
There's nothing mystical about a universe that obviously works.
On 6/8/2024 5:46 AM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
People, including women, are screaming and waving signs QUEERS FOR
GAZA.
Think about that one.
I'm not talking about the ME. I'm talking about freedom of thought and
opinion in general and the fact that it's being eroded by
neo-Liberalism and political correctness.
Have there been any big revolutions in right-wing thought lately or is
still just primarily the usual long list of commies, queers, and
degenerates who need to be gotten rid of.
I think it's probably possible to suppress novel thought but I'm
uncertain there's much novel on offer I guess that's why they call it "conservatism", after all.
It was all better in the old days, need to get back to the good ol'
days. Am I missing something?
On 6/8/2024 3:55 PM, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 19:30:11 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/8/24 16:45, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 09:54:42 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 10:43:15 +0200, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 6/8/24 01:37, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 23:57:54 +0200, Jeroen Belleman wrote:How did you come to be convinced of the existence of an afterlife, >>>>>> and what kind of experience do you expect to have?
On 6/7/24 23:11, Mike Monett VE3BTI wrote:
Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/7/24 16:49, john larkin wrote:
[...]
Some kind of sense, given that there is neither heaven, nor hell. >>>>>>>>>> Religion, islam in particular, is only pernicious brainwashing. >>>>>>>>>> There is no afterlife. There is only this life. Don't waste it. >>>>>>>>>>
Actually, Hamas makes sense. They send Jews to hell because they >>>>>>>>>>> are heretics, and send Muslims to heaven to be blessed martyrs. So >>>>>>>>>>> for Hamas, killing is always win-win.
Jeroen Belleman
Learn how to do soul travel. It is the most important thing to do >>>>>>>>> this lifetime. It will give you absolute proof there is life past >>>>>>>>> this one,
and that you are immortal.
I don't know what soul travel is, but I'm sure there is no afterlife, >>>>>>>> just as there was no forelife. There is no soul. My existence is the >>>>>>>> result of an uninterrupted sequence of incredibly improbable events, >>>>>>>> going back billions of years into the past, and I will cease to exist, >>>>>>>> never to come back,
when some essential part of my body fails.
While I'm certainly not looking forward to dying, I'm not afraid of >>>>>>>> being dead. The need to believe in an afterlife is just another of >>>>>>>> those weird religious ideas.
Jeroen Belleman
Well, I'm not religious at all but am convinced there's an after-life. >>>>>>> And that's not just so I can feel all warm and fuzzy. I actually find >>>>>>> the prospect deeply concerning. I'd much rather be like you in outlook! >>>>>>
Jeroen Belleman
I'm afraid that's *way* too big and off-topic a subject for expansion on >>>>> this forum!
Designing electronics has obviously suggestions of quantum
consciousness, and even Einstein thought that QM was spooky.
Don't give up on miracles quite yet.
You have referred to quantum effects in the brain many
times. In as far as the brain is a chemical machine, and
that chemistry is basically a manifestation of quantum
mechanics, I agree. In practice, QM is just a level too
deep in the abstraction stack. Somehow I believe that
that is not how you see it. Would you elaborate?
DNA and RNA and other things aren't flat linear molecules as the
cartoons suggest. They are twisted and tangled into writhing balls. So
any sequence gets continuously and randomly rubbed against the rest of
the string. That's a quantum cross-correlation machine.
Much of technology, electronics in particular, is a miracle,
though not in the mystical or religious sense.
I like the Barrie Gilbert essay, "Where do little circuits come from?"
They are all out there in the infinite solution space, and it's hard
to explore an infinite space serially.
There's nothing mystical about a universe that obviously works.
The "RNA world" hypothesis is that RNA is a very special molecule, the >"killer app" that bootstrapped life.
On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 19:30:11 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/8/24 16:45, john larkin wrote:DNA and RNA and other things aren't flat linear molecules as the
On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 09:54:42 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor DoomYou have referred to quantum effects in the brain many times. In as far
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 10:43:15 +0200, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 6/8/24 01:37, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 23:57:54 +0200, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 6/7/24 23:11, Mike Monett VE3BTI wrote:
Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/7/24 16:49, john larkin wrote:
[...]
Some kind of sense, given that there is neither heaven, nor
Actually, Hamas makes sense. They send Jews to hell because >>>>>>>>>> they are heretics, and send Muslims to heaven to be blessed >>>>>>>>>> martyrs. So for Hamas, killing is always win-win.
hell.
Religion, islam in particular, is only pernicious brainwashing. >>>>>>>>> There is no afterlife. There is only this life. Don't waste it. >>>>>>>>>
Jeroen Belleman
Learn how to do soul travel. It is the most important thing to do >>>>>>>> this lifetime. It will give you absolute proof there is life past >>>>>>>> this one,
and that you are immortal.
I don't know what soul travel is, but I'm sure there is no
afterlife, just as there was no forelife. There is no soul. My
existence is the result of an uninterrupted sequence of incredibly >>>>>>> improbable events, going back billions of years into the past, and >>>>>>> I will cease to exist,
never to come back,
when some essential part of my body fails.
While I'm certainly not looking forward to dying, I'm not afraid >>>>>>> of being dead. The need to believe in an afterlife is just another >>>>>>> of those weird religious ideas.
Jeroen Belleman
Well, I'm not religious at all but am convinced there's an
after-life. And that's not just so I can feel all warm and fuzzy. I >>>>>> actually find the prospect deeply concerning. I'd much rather be
like you in outlook!
How did you come to be convinced of the existence of an afterlife,
and what kind of experience do you expect to have?
Jeroen Belleman
I'm afraid that's *way* too big and off-topic a subject for expansion
on this forum!
Designing electronics has obviously suggestions of quantum
consciousness, and even Einstein thought that QM was spooky.
Don't give up on miracles quite yet.
as the brain is a chemical machine, and that chemistry is basically a >>manifestation of quantum mechanics, I agree. In practice, QM is just a >>level too deep in the abstraction stack. Somehow I believe that that is
not how you see it. Would you elaborate?
cartoons suggest. They are twisted and tangled into writhing balls. So
any sequence gets continuously and randomly rubbed against the rest of
the string. That's a quantum cross-correlation machine.
Much of technology, electronics in particular, is a miracle,
though not in the mystical or religious sense.
I like the Barrie Gilbert essay, "Where do little circuits come from?"
They are all out there in the infinite solution space, and it's hard to explore an infinite space serially.
There's nothing mystical about a universe that obviously works.
On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 19:30:11 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/8/24 16:45, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 09:54:42 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 10:43:15 +0200, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 6/8/24 01:37, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 23:57:54 +0200, Jeroen Belleman wrote:How did you come to be convinced of the existence of an afterlife,
On 6/7/24 23:11, Mike Monett VE3BTI wrote:
Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/7/24 16:49, john larkin wrote:
[...]
Some kind of sense, given that there is neither heaven, nor hell. >>>>>>>>> Religion, islam in particular, is only pernicious brainwashing. >>>>>>>>> There is no afterlife. There is only this life. Don't waste it. >>>>>>>>>
Actually, Hamas makes sense. They send Jews to hell because they >>>>>>>>>> are heretics, and send Muslims to heaven to be blessed martyrs. So >>>>>>>>>> for Hamas, killing is always win-win.
Jeroen Belleman
Learn how to do soul travel. It is the most important thing to do >>>>>>>> this lifetime. It will give you absolute proof there is life past >>>>>>>> this one,
and that you are immortal.
I don't know what soul travel is, but I'm sure there is no afterlife, >>>>>>> just as there was no forelife. There is no soul. My existence is the >>>>>>> result of an uninterrupted sequence of incredibly improbable events, >>>>>>> going back billions of years into the past, and I will cease to exist, >>>>>>> never to come back,
when some essential part of my body fails.
While I'm certainly not looking forward to dying, I'm not afraid of >>>>>>> being dead. The need to believe in an afterlife is just another of >>>>>>> those weird religious ideas.
Jeroen Belleman
Well, I'm not religious at all but am convinced there's an after-life. >>>>>> And that's not just so I can feel all warm and fuzzy. I actually find >>>>>> the prospect deeply concerning. I'd much rather be like you in outlook! >>>>>
and what kind of experience do you expect to have?
Jeroen Belleman
I'm afraid that's *way* too big and off-topic a subject for expansion on >>>> this forum!
Designing electronics has obviously suggestions of quantum
consciousness, and even Einstein thought that QM was spooky.
Don't give up on miracles quite yet.
You have referred to quantum effects in the brain many
times. In as far as the brain is a chemical machine, and
that chemistry is basically a manifestation of quantum
mechanics, I agree. In practice, QM is just a level too
deep in the abstraction stack. Somehow I believe that
that is not how you see it. Would you elaborate?
DNA and RNA and other things aren't flat linear molecules as the
cartoons suggest. They are twisted and tangled into writhing balls. So
any sequence gets continuously and randomly rubbed against the rest of
the string. That's a quantum cross-correlation machine.
Much of technology, electronics in particular, is a miracle,
though not in the mystical or religious sense.
I like the Barrie Gilbert essay, "Where do little circuits come from?"
They are all out there in the infinite solution space, and it's hard
to explore an infinite space serially.
On 6/8/24 21:55, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 19:30:11 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/8/24 16:45, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 09:54:42 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 10:43:15 +0200, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 6/8/24 01:37, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 23:57:54 +0200, Jeroen Belleman wrote:How did you come to be convinced of the existence of an afterlife, >>>>>> and what kind of experience do you expect to have?
On 6/7/24 23:11, Mike Monett VE3BTI wrote:
Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/7/24 16:49, john larkin wrote:
[...]
Some kind of sense, given that there is neither heaven, nor hell. >>>>>>>>>> Religion, islam in particular, is only pernicious brainwashing. >>>>>>>>>> There is no afterlife. There is only this life. Don't waste it. >>>>>>>>>>
Actually, Hamas makes sense. They send Jews to hell because they >>>>>>>>>>> are heretics, and send Muslims to heaven to be blessed martyrs. So >>>>>>>>>>> for Hamas, killing is always win-win.
Jeroen Belleman
Learn how to do soul travel. It is the most important thing to do >>>>>>>>> this lifetime. It will give you absolute proof there is life past >>>>>>>>> this one,
and that you are immortal.
I don't know what soul travel is, but I'm sure there is no afterlife, >>>>>>>> just as there was no forelife. There is no soul. My existence is the >>>>>>>> result of an uninterrupted sequence of incredibly improbable events, >>>>>>>> going back billions of years into the past, and I will cease to exist, >>>>>>>> never to come back,
when some essential part of my body fails.
While I'm certainly not looking forward to dying, I'm not afraid of >>>>>>>> being dead. The need to believe in an afterlife is just another of >>>>>>>> those weird religious ideas.
Jeroen Belleman
Well, I'm not religious at all but am convinced there's an after-life. >>>>>>> And that's not just so I can feel all warm and fuzzy. I actually find >>>>>>> the prospect deeply concerning. I'd much rather be like you in outlook! >>>>>>
Jeroen Belleman
I'm afraid that's *way* too big and off-topic a subject for expansion on >>>>> this forum!
Designing electronics has obviously suggestions of quantum
consciousness, and even Einstein thought that QM was spooky.
Don't give up on miracles quite yet.
You have referred to quantum effects in the brain many
times. In as far as the brain is a chemical machine, and
that chemistry is basically a manifestation of quantum
mechanics, I agree. In practice, QM is just a level too
deep in the abstraction stack. Somehow I believe that
that is not how you see it. Would you elaborate?
DNA and RNA and other things aren't flat linear molecules as the
cartoons suggest. They are twisted and tangled into writhing balls. So
any sequence gets continuously and randomly rubbed against the rest of
the string. That's a quantum cross-correlation machine.
Hmm. I see DNA as a template for making molecular machines,
enzymes and such, that do useful things for living organisms.
Useful things such as transforming nutrients into suitable
energy-carrying chemicals or building blocks for cell components.
Pumps to move stuff into or out of cell compartments, and many
other functions needed to make a living cell thrive.
DNA doesn't do much by itself. It's the molecular machines that
do the work.
Much of technology, electronics in particular, is a miracle,
though not in the mystical or religious sense.
I like the Barrie Gilbert essay, "Where do little circuits come from?"
They are all out there in the infinite solution space, and it's hard
to explore an infinite space serially.
Hmm. When I design a circuit, I don't randomly jump through
solution space. I start with something simple, then identify
limitations and add or change things to address them. I may
add bootstraps or cascodes to reduce the effect of parasitic
capacitance. Add buffers to reduce load or output impedance
effects. Add symmetry to tackle thermal or offset issues.
Change or add components to tweak phase/frequency responses.
Move components around to reduce parasitics, or to profit
from some fortuitous beneficial one. And so on.
Basically I'll choose some promising starting point and then
try to move forward through the solution space, exploring
interesting branches on the way. Rarely I'll throw everything
out and start over.
It's still a serial process. I can't see much of the space at
once. Maybe you can. So much the better for you.
On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 16:08:51 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 6/8/2024 3:55 PM, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 19:30:11 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/8/24 16:45, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 09:54:42 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 10:43:15 +0200, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 6/8/24 01:37, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 23:57:54 +0200, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 6/7/24 23:11, Mike Monett VE3BTI wrote:
Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/7/24 16:49, john larkin wrote:
[...]
Some kind of sense, given that there is neither heaven, nor hell. >>>>>>>>>>> Religion, islam in particular, is only pernicious brainwashing. >>>>>>>>>>> There is no afterlife. There is only this life. Don't waste it. >>>>>>>>>>>
Actually, Hamas makes sense. They send Jews to hell because they >>>>>>>>>>>> are heretics, and send Muslims to heaven to be blessed martyrs. So >>>>>>>>>>>> for Hamas, killing is always win-win.
Jeroen Belleman
Learn how to do soul travel. It is the most important thing to do >>>>>>>>>> this lifetime. It will give you absolute proof there is life past >>>>>>>>>> this one,
and that you are immortal.
I don't know what soul travel is, but I'm sure there is no afterlife, >>>>>>>>> just as there was no forelife. There is no soul. My existence is the >>>>>>>>> result of an uninterrupted sequence of incredibly improbable events, >>>>>>>>> going back billions of years into the past, and I will cease to exist,
never to come back,
when some essential part of my body fails.
While I'm certainly not looking forward to dying, I'm not afraid of >>>>>>>>> being dead. The need to believe in an afterlife is just another of >>>>>>>>> those weird religious ideas.
Jeroen Belleman
Well, I'm not religious at all but am convinced there's an after-life. >>>>>>>> And that's not just so I can feel all warm and fuzzy. I actually find >>>>>>>> the prospect deeply concerning. I'd much rather be like you in outlook!
How did you come to be convinced of the existence of an afterlife, >>>>>>> and what kind of experience do you expect to have?
Jeroen Belleman
I'm afraid that's *way* too big and off-topic a subject for expansion on >>>>>> this forum!
Designing electronics has obviously suggestions of quantum
consciousness, and even Einstein thought that QM was spooky.
Don't give up on miracles quite yet.
You have referred to quantum effects in the brain many
times. In as far as the brain is a chemical machine, and
that chemistry is basically a manifestation of quantum
mechanics, I agree. In practice, QM is just a level too
deep in the abstraction stack. Somehow I believe that
that is not how you see it. Would you elaborate?
DNA and RNA and other things aren't flat linear molecules as the
cartoons suggest. They are twisted and tangled into writhing balls. So
any sequence gets continuously and randomly rubbed against the rest of
the string. That's a quantum cross-correlation machine.
Much of technology, electronics in particular, is a miracle,
though not in the mystical or religious sense.
I like the Barrie Gilbert essay, "Where do little circuits come from?"
They are all out there in the infinite solution space, and it's hard
to explore an infinite space serially.
There's nothing mystical about a universe that obviously works.
The "RNA world" hypothesis is that RNA is a very special molecule, the
"killer app" that bootstrapped life.
There are lots of people who want that to be true (never mind the
details) because they don't want to admit that other things might be
true.
Nature has a rude habit of doing things that scientists didn't approve
of.
On 6/8/2024 4:30 PM, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 16:08:51 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 6/8/2024 3:55 PM, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 19:30:11 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/8/24 16:45, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 09:54:42 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 10:43:15 +0200, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 6/8/24 01:37, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 23:57:54 +0200, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 6/7/24 23:11, Mike Monett VE3BTI wrote:
Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/7/24 16:49, john larkin wrote:
[...]
Some kind of sense, given that there is neither heaven, nor >>>>>>>>>>>> hell.
Actually, Hamas makes sense. They send Jews to hell because >>>>>>>>>>>>> they
are heretics, and send Muslims to heaven to be blessed >>>>>>>>>>>>> martyrs. So
for Hamas, killing is always win-win.
Religion, islam in particular, is only pernicious brainwashing. >>>>>>>>>>>> There is no afterlife. There is only this life. Don't waste it. >>>>>>>>>>>>
Jeroen Belleman
Learn how to do soul travel. It is the most important thing >>>>>>>>>>> to do
this lifetime. It will give you absolute proof there is life >>>>>>>>>>> past
this one,
and that you are immortal.
I don't know what soul travel is, but I'm sure there is no >>>>>>>>>> afterlife,
just as there was no forelife. There is no soul. My existence >>>>>>>>>> is the
result of an uninterrupted sequence of incredibly improbable >>>>>>>>>> events,
going back billions of years into the past, and I will cease >>>>>>>>>> to exist,
never to come back,
when some essential part of my body fails.
While I'm certainly not looking forward to dying, I'm not
afraid of
being dead. The need to believe in an afterlife is just
another of
those weird religious ideas.
Jeroen Belleman
Well, I'm not religious at all but am convinced there's an
after-life.
And that's not just so I can feel all warm and fuzzy. I
actually find
the prospect deeply concerning. I'd much rather be like you in >>>>>>>>> outlook!
How did you come to be convinced of the existence of an afterlife, >>>>>>>> and what kind of experience do you expect to have?
Jeroen Belleman
I'm afraid that's *way* too big and off-topic a subject for
expansion on
this forum!
Designing electronics has obviously suggestions of quantum
consciousness, and even Einstein thought that QM was spooky.
Don't give up on miracles quite yet.
You have referred to quantum effects in the brain many
times. In as far as the brain is a chemical machine, and
that chemistry is basically a manifestation of quantum
mechanics, I agree. In practice, QM is just a level too
deep in the abstraction stack. Somehow I believe that
that is not how you see it. Would you elaborate?
DNA and RNA and other things aren't flat linear molecules as the
cartoons suggest. They are twisted and tangled into writhing balls. So >>>> any sequence gets continuously and randomly rubbed against the rest of >>>> the string. That's a quantum cross-correlation machine.
Much of technology, electronics in particular, is a miracle,
though not in the mystical or religious sense.
I like the Barrie Gilbert essay, "Where do little circuits come from?" >>>>
They are all out there in the infinite solution space, and it's hard
to explore an infinite space serially.
There's nothing mystical about a universe that obviously works.
The "RNA world" hypothesis is that RNA is a very special molecule, the
"killer app" that bootstrapped life.
There are lots of people who want that to be true (never mind the
details) because they don't want to admit that other things might be
true.
Nature has a rude habit of doing things that scientists didn't approve
of.
I tend to be of the opinion that actionable scientific theories of
either how to get life to bootstrap from non-life in a lab environment,
or how to make a machine emulate the significantly human qualities of a
mind, will remain frustratingly elusive for the foreseeable future.
Nature has a rude habit of doing things that scientists didn't approve
of.
On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 15:48:46 -0400, bitrex wrote:
On 6/8/2024 5:46 AM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
People, including women, are screaming and waving signs QUEERS FOR
GAZA.
Think about that one.
I'm not talking about the ME. I'm talking about freedom of thought and
opinion in general and the fact that it's being eroded by
neo-Liberalism and political correctness.
Have there been any big revolutions in right-wing thought lately or is
still just primarily the usual long list of commies, queers, and
degenerates who need to be gotten rid of.
You missed out the Jews.
I think it's probably possible to suppress novel thought but I'm
uncertain there's much novel on offer I guess that's why they call it
"conservatism", after all.
It was all better in the old days, need to get back to the good ol'
days. Am I missing something?
You'll be fine. You and me'll go on a good ol' fashioned lynchin' party - don't worry, you'll soon get the flavor for it and the more you do, the sweeter it gets.
;-)
On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 16:08:51 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 6/8/2024 3:55 PM, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 19:30:11 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/8/24 16:45, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 09:54:42 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 10:43:15 +0200, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 6/8/24 01:37, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 23:57:54 +0200, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 6/7/24 23:11, Mike Monett VE3BTI wrote:
Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/7/24 16:49, john larkin wrote:
There's nothing mystical about a universe that obviously works.
The "RNA world" hypothesis is that RNA is a very special molecule, the
"killer app" that bootstrapped life.
There are lots of people who want that to be true (never mind the
details) because they don't want to admit that other things might be
true.
Nature has a rude habit of doing things that scientists didn't approve
of.
On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 19:30:11 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/8/24 16:45, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 09:54:42 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 10:43:15 +0200, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 6/8/24 01:37, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 23:57:54 +0200, Jeroen Belleman wrote:How did you come to be convinced of the existence of an afterlife,
On 6/7/24 23:11, Mike Monett VE3BTI wrote:
Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/7/24 16:49, john larkin wrote:
[...]
Some kind of sense, given that there is neither heaven, nor hell. >>>>>>>>> Religion, islam in particular, is only pernicious brainwashing. >>>>>>>>> There is no afterlife. There is only this life. Don't waste it. >>>>>>>>>
Actually, Hamas makes sense. They send Jews to hell because they >>>>>>>>>> are heretics, and send Muslims to heaven to be blessed martyrs. So >>>>>>>>>> for Hamas, killing is always win-win.
Jeroen Belleman
Learn how to do soul travel. It is the most important thing to do >>>>>>>> this lifetime. It will give you absolute proof there is life past >>>>>>>> this one,
and that you are immortal.
I don't know what soul travel is, but I'm sure there is no afterlife, >>>>>>> just as there was no forelife. There is no soul. My existence is the >>>>>>> result of an uninterrupted sequence of incredibly improbable events, >>>>>>> going back billions of years into the past, and I will cease to exist, >>>>>>> never to come back,
when some essential part of my body fails.
While I'm certainly not looking forward to dying, I'm not afraid of >>>>>>> being dead. The need to believe in an afterlife is just another of >>>>>>> those weird religious ideas.
Jeroen Belleman
Well, I'm not religious at all but am convinced there's an after-life. >>>>>> And that's not just so I can feel all warm and fuzzy. I actually find >>>>>> the prospect deeply concerning. I'd much rather be like you in outlook! >>>>>
and what kind of experience do you expect to have?
Jeroen Belleman
I'm afraid that's *way* too big and off-topic a subject for expansion on >>>> this forum!
Designing electronics has obviously suggestions of quantum
consciousness, and even Einstein thought that QM was spooky.
Don't give up on miracles quite yet.
You have referred to quantum effects in the brain many
times. In as far as the brain is a chemical machine, and
that chemistry is basically a manifestation of quantum
mechanics, I agree. In practice, QM is just a level too
deep in the abstraction stack. Somehow I believe that
that is not how you see it. Would you elaborate?
DNA and RNA and other things aren't flat linear molecules as the
cartoons suggest. They are twisted and tangled into writhing balls. So
any sequence gets continuously and randomly rubbed against the rest of
the string.
That's a quantum cross-correlation machine.
Much of technology, electronics in particular, is a miracle,
though not in the mystical or religious sense.
I like the Barrie Gilbert essay, "Where do little circuits come from?"
They are all out there in the infinite solution space, and it's hard
to explore an infinite space serially.
There's nothing mystical about a universe that obviously works.
On Sat, 08 Jun 2024 12:55:18 -0700, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 19:30:11 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/8/24 16:45, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 09:54:42 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 10:43:15 +0200, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 6/8/24 01:37, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 23:57:54 +0200, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 6/7/24 23:11, Mike Monett VE3BTI wrote:
Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/7/24 16:49, john larkin wrote:
I like the Barrie Gilbert essay, "Where do little circuits come from?"
They are all out there in the infinite solution space, and it's hard to
explore an infinite space serially.
There's nothing mystical about a universe that obviously works.
And then the Leftists come along and decide that although it works, it
works badly and they can fix it - or at least improve it somehow - simply
by implementing policies which defy nature in an act of ultimate 'magical thinking'.
On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 23:59:33 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/8/24 21:55, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 19:30:11 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/8/24 16:45, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 09:54:42 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 10:43:15 +0200, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 6/8/24 01:37, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 23:57:54 +0200, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 6/7/24 23:11, Mike Monett VE3BTI wrote:
Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/7/24 16:49, john larkin wrote:
[...]
Basically I'll choose some promising starting point and then
try to move forward through the solution space, exploring
interesting branches on the way. Rarely I'll throw everything
out and start over.
That's incremental design, which is necessary, but it doesn't create
entirely new circuits or products.
Some big companies stick to tweaking what they know, and get crushed
by upstarts in dorm rooms.
Some big companies have futurists and fellows whose job is to consider possibilities. Somebody at Boeing is thinking about what airplanes (or whatever) might look like 30 years from now. I have friends at
Raytheon and ASML whose job is to do that, think far away from where
they are now.
I like to imagine planting a grenade inside my brain and blowing bits
all over the possible solution space, to start a zillion parallel
processors. Let that soak for a while.
There are think tanks like HRL that do just that.
Most engineers are uncomfortable with uncertainty and confusion so
latch onto a design concept ASAP, preferably something already
sanctioned somewhere, and buckle down to implementing.
It's still a serial process. I can't see much of the space at
once. Maybe you can. So much the better for you.
It takes some practice to be willing to be confused for a while.
It helps to be a bit autistic, to not much care what other people think.
On 9/06/2024 8:22 pm, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sat, 08 Jun 2024 13:30:20 -0700, john larkin wrote:
Nature has a rude habit of doing things that scientists didn't approve
of.
You could substitute "Liberals" for "scientists" here and it would
still make perfect sense.
Since it didn't make sense in the first place - science isn't about "approval" but about consistency with the rest of science, Cursitor Doom
is just advertising his ignorance here.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
On Sat, 08 Jun 2024 13:30:20 -0700, john larkin wrote:
Nature has a rude habit of doing things that scientists didn't approve
of.
You could substitute "Liberals" for "scientists" here and it would still
make perfect sense.
On 9/06/2024 6:33 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 15:48:46 -0400, bitrex wrote:
On 6/8/2024 5:46 AM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
People, including women, are screaming and waving signs QUEERS FOR
GAZA.
Think about that one.
I'm not talking about the ME. I'm talking about freedom of thought
and opinion in general and the fact that it's being eroded by
neo-Liberalism and political correctness.
Have there been any big revolutions in right-wing thought lately or is
still just primarily the usual long list of commies, queers, and
degenerates who need to be gotten rid of.
You missed out the Jews.
I think it's probably possible to suppress novel thought but I'm
uncertain there's much novel on offer I guess that's why they call it
"conservatism", after all.
It was all better in the old days, need to get back to the good ol'
days. Am I missing something?
You'll be fine. You and me'll go on a good ol' fashioned lynchin' party
-
don't worry, you'll soon get the flavor for it and the more you do, the
sweeter it gets.
;-)
Cursitor Doom doesn't understand that he is morally defective. If you
don't understand that being unpleasant to strangers is not a
constructive reaction to the unfamiliar, you can go in for this kind of nonsense and not realise that other people find it repellent. Some of
them will notice that it is also illegal, and put you in prison.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
On Sun, 9 Jun 2024 21:33:04 +1000, Bill Sloman wrote:
On 9/06/2024 6:33 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 15:48:46 -0400, bitrex wrote:
On 6/8/2024 5:46 AM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
People, including women, are screaming and waving signs QUEERS FOR >>>>>> GAZA.
Think about that one.
I'm not talking about the ME. I'm talking about freedom of thought
and opinion in general and the fact that it's being eroded by
neo-Liberalism and political correctness.
Have there been any big revolutions in right-wing thought lately or is >>>> still just primarily the usual long list of commies, queers, and
degenerates who need to be gotten rid of.
You missed out the Jews.
I think it's probably possible to suppress novel thought but I'm
uncertain there's much novel on offer I guess that's why they call it
"conservatism", after all.
It was all better in the old days, need to get back to the good ol'
days. Am I missing something?
You'll be fine. You and me'll go on a good ol' fashioned lynchin' party
-
don't worry, you'll soon get the flavor for it and the more you do, the
sweeter it gets.
;-)
Cursitor Doom doesn't understand that he is morally defective. If you
don't understand that being unpleasant to strangers is not a
constructive reaction to the unfamiliar, you can go in for this kind of
nonsense and not realise that other people find it repellent. Some of
them will notice that it is also illegal, and put you in prison.
Sorry, Bill. I should have known that you as a Jew would be unduly
sensitive to my little joke (you didn't seem to notice the smiley).
No offence was intended, but if any were taken, I humbly apologise. Now can we be friends again?
On Sun, 9 Jun 2024 22:17:37 +1000, Bill Sloman wrote:
On 9/06/2024 8:22 pm, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sat, 08 Jun 2024 13:30:20 -0700, john larkin wrote:
Nature has a rude habit of doing things that scientists didn't approve >>>> of.
You could substitute "Liberals" for "scientists" here and it would
still make perfect sense.
Since it didn't make sense in the first place - science isn't about
"approval" but about consistency with the rest of science, Cursitor Doom
is just advertising his ignorance here.
Er, no. It's about the systematic study of nature and the pursuit of
Truth. We're already seeing the damage that 'consistency with the rest of science' is having on our economic life thanks to all that climate
claptrap that you and others falsely claim is settled science.
On 9/06/2024 10:16 pm, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 9 Jun 2024 21:33:04 +1000, Bill Sloman wrote:
On 9/06/2024 6:33 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 15:48:46 -0400, bitrex wrote:
On 6/8/2024 5:46 AM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
People, including women, are screaming and waving signs QUEERS FOR >>>>>>> GAZA.
Think about that one.
I'm not talking about the ME. I'm talking about freedom of thought >>>>>> and opinion in general and the fact that it's being eroded by
neo-Liberalism and political correctness.
Have there been any big revolutions in right-wing thought lately or
is still just primarily the usual long list of commies, queers, and
degenerates who need to be gotten rid of.
You missed out the Jews.
I think it's probably possible to suppress novel thought but I'm
uncertain there's much novel on offer I guess that's why they call
it "conservatism", after all.
It was all better in the old days, need to get back to the good ol'
days. Am I missing something?
You'll be fine. You and me'll go on a good ol' fashioned lynchin'
party -
don't worry, you'll soon get the flavor for it and the more you do,
the sweeter it gets.
;-)
Cursitor Doom doesn't understand that he is morally defective. If you
don't understand that being unpleasant to strangers is not a
constructive reaction to the unfamiliar, you can go in for this kind
of nonsense and not realise that other people find it repellent. Some
of them will notice that it is also illegal, and put you in prison.
Sorry, Bill. I should have known that you as a Jew would be unduly
sensitive to my little joke (you didn't seem to notice the smiley).
I'm not actually Jewish. Sloman is a west country name - there are more Slomans in the Taunton telephone directory than there are in the London telephone directory, and my great-grandfather Sloman was born in Bristol
in 1850, though the family promptly got on the boat to Australia.
There is a family of Slomans in Melbourne who are Jewish, but their grandparents were called Slominsky in Poland before they headed out to Australia around 1870. One of my chemistry lecturers was a member of the family (though he didn't have the Sloman surname).
No offence was intended, but if any were taken, I humbly apologise. Now
can we be friends again?
You find inviting Bitrex to join a lynching party to be an inoffensive
joke?
Like I said, you are morally defective, and that is not something you
can apologise your way out of.
On 9/06/2024 11:09 pm, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 9 Jun 2024 22:17:37 +1000, Bill Sloman wrote:
On 9/06/2024 8:22 pm, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sat, 08 Jun 2024 13:30:20 -0700, john larkin wrote:
Nature has a rude habit of doing things that scientists didn't
approve of.
You could substitute "Liberals" for "scientists" here and it would
still make perfect sense.
Since it didn't make sense in the first place - science isn't about
"approval" but about consistency with the rest of science, Cursitor
Doom is just advertising his ignorance here.
Er, no. It's about the systematic study of nature and the pursuit of
Truth. We're already seeing the damage that 'consistency with the rest
of science' is having on our economic life thanks to all that climate
claptrap that you and others falsely claim is settled science.
It's definitely settled science. You don't know enough about the subject
to form a useful opinion.
The people who broadcast the propaganda that you are echoing aren't that silly, but they are making a lot of money out of digging up fossil
carbon and selling it as fuel, and it's worth spending some of it on
cheap propaganda that is good enough to fool suckers like you and John Larkin.
On 6/8/24 21:55, john larkin wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 19:30:11 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/8/24 16:45, john larkin wrote:DNA and RNA and other things aren't flat linear molecules as the
On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 09:54:42 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor DoomYou have referred to quantum effects in the brain many times. In as
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 10:43:15 +0200, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 6/8/24 01:37, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 23:57:54 +0200, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 6/7/24 23:11, Mike Monett VE3BTI wrote:
Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 6/7/24 16:49, john larkin wrote:
[...]
Some kind of sense, given that there is neither heaven, nor >>>>>>>>>> hell.
Actually, Hamas makes sense. They send Jews to hell because >>>>>>>>>>> they are heretics, and send Muslims to heaven to be blessed >>>>>>>>>>> martyrs. So for Hamas, killing is always win-win.
Religion, islam in particular, is only pernicious brainwashing. >>>>>>>>>> There is no afterlife. There is only this life. Don't waste it. >>>>>>>>>>
Jeroen Belleman
Learn how to do soul travel. It is the most important thing to >>>>>>>>> do this lifetime. It will give you absolute proof there is life >>>>>>>>> past this one,
and that you are immortal.
I don't know what soul travel is, but I'm sure there is no
afterlife, just as there was no forelife. There is no soul. My >>>>>>>> existence is the result of an uninterrupted sequence of
incredibly improbable events, going back billions of years into >>>>>>>> the past, and I will cease to exist,
never to come back,
when some essential part of my body fails.
While I'm certainly not looking forward to dying, I'm not afraid >>>>>>>> of being dead. The need to believe in an afterlife is just
another of those weird religious ideas.
Jeroen Belleman
Well, I'm not religious at all but am convinced there's an
after-life. And that's not just so I can feel all warm and fuzzy. >>>>>>> I actually find the prospect deeply concerning. I'd much rather be >>>>>>> like you in outlook!
How did you come to be convinced of the existence of an afterlife, >>>>>> and what kind of experience do you expect to have?
Jeroen Belleman
I'm afraid that's *way* too big and off-topic a subject for
expansion on this forum!
Designing electronics has obviously suggestions of quantum
consciousness, and even Einstein thought that QM was spooky.
Don't give up on miracles quite yet.
far as the brain is a chemical machine, and that chemistry is
basically a manifestation of quantum mechanics, I agree. In practice,
QM is just a level too deep in the abstraction stack. Somehow I
believe that that is not how you see it. Would you elaborate?
cartoons suggest. They are twisted and tangled into writhing balls. So
any sequence gets continuously and randomly rubbed against the rest of
the string. That's a quantum cross-correlation machine.
Hmm. I see DNA as a template for making molecular machines, enzymes and
such, that do useful things for living organisms. Useful things such as transforming nutrients into suitable energy-carrying chemicals or
building blocks for cell components.
Pumps to move stuff into or out of cell compartments, and many other functions needed to make a living cell thrive.
DNA doesn't do much by itself. It's the molecular machines that do the
work.
Much of technology, electronics in particular, is a miracle,
though not in the mystical or religious sense.
I like the Barrie Gilbert essay, "Where do little circuits come from?"
They are all out there in the infinite solution space, and it's hard to
explore an infinite space serially.
Hmm. When I design a circuit, I don't randomly jump through solution
space. I start with something simple, then identify limitations and add
or change things to address them. I may add bootstraps or cascodes to
reduce the effect of parasitic capacitance. Add buffers to reduce load
or output impedance effects. Add symmetry to tackle thermal or offset
issues.
Change or add components to tweak phase/frequency responses. Move
components around to reduce parasitics, or to profit from some
fortuitous beneficial one. And so on.
Basically I'll choose some promising starting point and then try to move forward through the solution space, exploring interesting branches on
the way. Rarely I'll throw everything out and start over.
It's still a serial process. I can't see much of the space at once.
Maybe you can. So much the better for you.
Jeroen Belleman
Jeroen, this may be of interest to you....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0hsby62
On 6/9/24 23:36, Cursitor Doom wrote:
[...]
Jeroen, this may be of interest to you....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0hsby62
A podcast about paranormal phenomena? Not really, or rather,
really not. Why did you think so?
Jeroen Belleman
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