The battery in SWMBO's iPhone has swelled. Not surprising as it
is ANCIENT (6s).
She is asking for it to be replaced: "I *like* that phone!"
Is this actually worth the effort, given that batteries are likely
knock-offs (dubious quality) and disassembly/assembly is undoubtedly
a lesson in fumble-fingers? And, what's the likely life expectancy
of a "new" battery?
I've offered her either of two phones that I use but "they're too big".
On Sat, 1 Jun 2024 13:56:37 -0700, Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid>
wrote:
The battery in SWMBO's iPhone has swelled. Not surprising as it
is ANCIENT (6s).
She is asking for it to be replaced: "I *like* that phone!"
Is this actually worth the effort, given that batteries are likely
knock-offs (dubious quality) and disassembly/assembly is undoubtedly
a lesson in fumble-fingers? And, what's the likely life expectancy
of a "new" battery?
I've offered her either of two phones that I use but "they're too big".
Exactly what is it that she has?
Apple likely has a phone of that approximate size.
On 6/1/2024 2:19 PM, Joe Gwinn wrote:
On Sat, 1 Jun 2024 13:56:37 -0700, Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid>
wrote:
The battery in SWMBO's iPhone has swelled. Not surprising as it
is ANCIENT (6s).
---------------^^
She is asking for it to be replaced: "I *like* that phone!"
Is this actually worth the effort, given that batteries are likely
knock-offs (dubious quality) and disassembly/assembly is undoubtedly
a lesson in fumble-fingers? And, what's the likely life expectancy
of a "new" battery?
I've offered her either of two phones that I use but "they're too big".
Exactly what is it that she has?
Apple likely has a phone of that approximate size.
Or, use one of the other phones, here. I see very little difference
in size, weight, etc. "Creature of habit"
(I'm also not keen on having to field her comments as to "Why X doesn't
work like it USED to...")
(sigh) The land line was SO much better (for our uses). But, they just >aren't maintaining the (below grade) copper any more.
[We had a pair of uniformed officers show up, unannounced, in the wee
hours of the morning -- hands on holsters -- inquiring who had called
"911" from our residence. "Huh? No one." They claimed that they
often get false alarms from neighborhoods with buried services... as if
a series of snap-crackle-pops appeared to be 911 dialpulsed (I'm not
quite sure how that translates into 911 and not 823 or 645 or 15276...)]
The battery in SWMBO's iPhone has swelled. Not surprising as it
is ANCIENT (6s).
She is asking for it to be replaced: "I *like* that phone!"
Is this actually worth the effort, given that batteries are likely
knock-offs (dubious quality) and disassembly/assembly is undoubtedly
a lesson in fumble-fingers? And, what's the likely life expectancy
of a "new" battery?
I've offered her either of two phones that I use but "they're too big".
Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
The battery in SWMBO's iPhone has swelled. Not surprising as it
is ANCIENT (6s).
She is asking for it to be replaced: "I *like* that phone!"
Is this actually worth the effort, given that batteries are likely
knock-offs (dubious quality) and disassembly/assembly is undoubtedly
a lesson in fumble-fingers? And, what's the likely life expectancy
of a "new" battery?
I've offered her either of two phones that I use but "they're too big".
It is not difficult, check ifixit com and countless YouTube videos. Over
the years I have had complete successes with iPhone 4s 5 5c 6 6s and 8 -
the cheap eBay knockoff batteries give new lease of life to old phones,
seem to last a couple of years, possibly not quite as long as Apple
original but by then there are other reasons to retire that phone and move up.
On Sat, 1 Jun 2024 14:51:23 -0700, Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid>
wrote:
On 6/1/2024 2:19 PM, Joe Gwinn wrote:
On Sat, 1 Jun 2024 13:56:37 -0700, Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid>
wrote:
The battery in SWMBO's iPhone has swelled. Not surprising as it
is ANCIENT (6s).
---------------^^
She is asking for it to be replaced: "I *like* that phone!"Exactly what is it that she has?
Is this actually worth the effort, given that batteries are likely
knock-offs (dubious quality) and disassembly/assembly is undoubtedly
a lesson in fumble-fingers? And, what's the likely life expectancy
of a "new" battery?
I've offered her either of two phones that I use but "they're too big". >>>
Apple likely has a phone of that approximate size.
Or, use one of the other phones, here. I see very little difference
in size, weight, etc. "Creature of habit"
(I'm also not keen on having to field her comments as to "Why X doesn't
work like it USED to...")
(sigh) The land line was SO much better (for our uses). But, they just
aren't maintaining the (below grade) copper any more.
[We had a pair of uniformed officers show up, unannounced, in the wee
hours of the morning -- hands on holsters -- inquiring who had called
"911" from our residence. "Huh? No one." They claimed that they
often get false alarms from neighborhoods with buried services... as if
a series of snap-crackle-pops appeared to be 911 dialpulsed (I'm not
quite sure how that translates into 911 and not 823 or 645 or 15276...)]
They don't need to. Only 911 causes a detectable response.
On 6/1/2024 3:09 PM, piglet wrote:
Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
The battery in SWMBO's iPhone has swelled. Not surprising as it
is ANCIENT (6s).
She is asking for it to be replaced:Â "I *like* that phone!"
Is this actually worth the effort, given that batteries are likely
knock-offs (dubious quality) and disassembly/assembly is undoubtedly
a lesson in fumble-fingers? And, what's the likely life expectancy
of a "new" battery?
I've offered her either of two phones that I use but "they're too big".
It is not difficult, check ifixit com and countless YouTube videos. Over
Yes, I figure there must be a relatively large market and most "customers" are relatively unskilled in this sort of activity. I had hoped, however, that the batteries would be shit or the phones would look cosmetically damaged (to give me an excuse not to undertake the activity :< )
I've offered her either of two phones that I use but "they're too big". >>>It is not difficult, check ifixit com and countless YouTube videos. Over
Yes, I figure there must be a relatively large market and most "customers" >> are relatively unskilled in this sort of activity. I had hoped, however, >> that the batteries would be shit or the phones would look cosmetically
damaged (to give me an excuse not to undertake the activity :< )
It is doable but be very careful separating the parts.
Sharp tools and a moderate amount of force in exactly the right places is involved. Newer models tend to be much more difficult to dismantle reliably. You can sort of tell which are most difficult by looking at how much third party repairers charge for a battery swap.
My friend that does it a lot has a specially sharpened wallpaper scraper for applying the right amount of force over a long joint. Various YouTube videos show how to do it - there is scope to devaluing it if you break the glass or injuring yourself if you slip with a sharp blade.
The ones with copious amounts of hot melt glue inside are very tricky. I think
the 6s will be old enough not to have that problem. Other option might be to find one secondhand from the likes of Cex or whatever the US equivalent is called. A 6s won't have much resale value now.
On 6/1/2024 3:05 PM, Joe Gwinn wrote:
On Sat, 1 Jun 2024 14:51:23 -0700, Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid>
wrote:
[We had a pair of uniformed officers show up, unannounced, in the wee
hours of the morning -- hands on holsters -- inquiring who had called
"911" from our residence. "Huh? No one." They claimed that they often
get false alarms from neighborhoods with buried services... as if a
series of snap-crackle-pops appeared to be 911 dialpulsed (I'm not quite >>> sure how that translates into 911 and not 823 or 645 or 15276...)]
They don't need to. Only 911 causes a detectable response.
211 gives us access to community services
311 for city gummit
411 directory assistance
711 TDD relay
811 blue stake (utility locating)
Of course, only 911 would cause someone to appear at your home.
I question how the correct dialpulse timing is detected as a
rotary dial phone imposes a specific make-break ratio and pulse
rate.
(sigh) The land line was SO much better (for our uses). But, they just aren't maintaining the (below grade) copper any more.
On 02-June-24 5:51 am, Don Y wrote:
(sigh) The land line was SO much better (for our uses). But, they just >> aren't maintaining the (below grade) copper any more.
Subscribe to a VOIP service?
I question how the correct dialpulse timing is detected as a
rotary dial phone imposes a specific make-break ratio and pulse
rate.
Blame this on the lawyers. To avoid issues of liability, if the telephone switch detects a pulse pattern that might plausably be interpreted as an attempt to "dial" 911, then the phone company forwards your info on to the 911 call center.
Once the 911 call center has become involved, then the police have to handle it as if it were a request for emergency services.
On 6/5/2024 8:29 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 02-June-24 5:51 am, Don Y wrote:
(sigh) The land line was SO much better (for our uses). But, they just >>> aren't maintaining the (below grade) copper any more.
Subscribe to a VOIP service?
Only POTS has (had?) mandated levels of service.
VoIP over DSL leaves you with the availability of the DSL link
to worry about.
VoIP over cable, same difference.
All carriers are vulnerable -- and to differing sorts of problems
(with differing sorts of motivations to fix them!)
It is amusing that the real "asset" that TPC has is the wire in
the ground. Yet (here), they seem to treat it with disdain...
Yes, I figure there must be a relatively large market and most "customers" >> are relatively unskilled in this sort of activity. I had hoped, however, >> that the batteries would be shit or the phones would look cosmetically
damaged (to give me an excuse not to undertake the activity :< )
It is doable but be very careful separating the parts.
Sharp tools and a moderate amount of force in exactly the right places is involved. Newer models tend to be much more difficult to dismantle reliably. You can sort of tell which are most difficult by looking at how much third party repairers charge for a battery swap.
My friend that does it a lot has a specially sharpened wallpaper scraper for applying the right amount of force over a long joint. Various YouTube videos show how to do it - there is scope to devaluing it if you break the glass or injuring yourself if you slip with a sharp blade.
On 6/5/2024 8:21 PM, Bertrand Sindri wrote:
I question how the correct dialpulse timing is detected as a rotary
dial phone imposes a specific make-break ratio and pulse rate.
Blame this on the lawyers. To avoid issues of liability, if the
telephone switch detects a pulse pattern that might plausably be
interpreted as an attempt to "dial" 911, then the phone company
forwards your info on to the 911 call center.
But a dial-pulse needs to be an actual make-break of the loop, not
just "line noise".
Would outpulsing at, for example, 400Hz ever be considered a
legitimate signal?
(IIRC, dial-pulse rate was ~10Hz; are there "natural phenomena that
even approach that with any sort of regularity?)
And, why would the "signal" suddenly disappear and not be a regular happening? I.e., why only one visit in 30 years and not once a
month?
Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
On 6/5/2024 8:21 PM, Bertrand Sindri wrote:
I question how the correct dialpulse timing is detected as a rotary
dial phone imposes a specific make-break ratio and pulse rate.
Blame this on the lawyers. To avoid issues of liability, if the
telephone switch detects a pulse pattern that might plausably be
interpreted as an attempt to "dial" 911, then the phone company
forwards your info on to the 911 call center.
But a dial-pulse needs to be an actual make-break of the loop, not
just "line noise".
Typical Don Y, thinking like an engineer. Did you miss the word
"lawyers" above? Once *lawyers* are involved, all logic and all
engineering regimen goes right out the window. Lawyers operate on
"what could a potential jury of laymen be convinced to believe". So
from the business's lawyer department (who's job it is to protect the
phone company from being sued for negligence [among other things]) if
"line noise" could be convincingly argued to a jury of laymen as an
"attempt to contact emergency services" such that the jury would find
the phone company liable for not routing the call to the 911 center,
then indeed many patterns of "line noise" will be interpreted as an
attempt to dial 911.
Would outpulsing at, for example, 400Hz ever be considered a
legitimate signal?
If the defense lawyers thought a prosecutor could convince a jury of
laymen that such a signal was an attempt at contacting 911 in a trial,
then yes, it would be considered legitimate signal.
(IIRC, dial-pulse rate was ~10Hz; are there "natural phenomena that
even approach that with any sort of regularity?)
Engineer: The dial pulse standard is 10Hz ± 4%. So we will make the
switch recognize 10Hz ± 8% and reject everything else.
Lawyer: Not good enough. Someone in peril, attempting to "dial" 911 by flashing the hook switch manually [1] will never meet a 10Hz ± 8%
standard, you instead need to recognize just about everything that
might plausibly look like 9 1 1 in order to protect us from being found guilty of negligence in a wrongful death suit and have to pay out $X
billion in settlements.
And, why would the "signal" suddenly disappear and not be a regular
happening? I.e., why only one visit in 30 years and not once a
month?
Neither you, nor I, can possibly answer that question.
[1] Presume they are trapped behind flames in a part of the building
with only one of those usually incoming "dial-less" phones, all they can
do is flash the hook in that situation.
On 6/8/2024 9:49 AM, Bertrand Sindri wrote:
Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
On 6/5/2024 8:21 PM, Bertrand Sindri wrote:
I question how the correct dialpulse timing is detected as a
rotary dial phone imposes a specific make-break ratio and pulse
rate.
Blame this on the lawyers. To avoid issues of liability, if the
telephone switch detects a pulse pattern that might plausably be
interpreted as an attempt to "dial" 911, then the phone company
forwards your info on to the 911 call center.
But a dial-pulse needs to be an actual make-break of the loop, not
just "line noise".
Typical Don Y, thinking like an engineer. Did you miss the word
"lawyers" above? Once *lawyers* are involved, all logic and all
engineering regimen goes right out the window. Lawyers operate on
"what could a potential jury of laymen be convinced to believe". So
from the business's lawyer department (who's job it is to protect
the phone company from being sued for negligence [among other
things]) if "line noise" could be convincingly argued to a jury of
laymen as an "attempt to contact emergency services" such that the
jury would find the phone company liable for not routing the call to
the 911 center, then indeed many patterns of "line noise" will be
interpreted as an attempt to dial 911.
Then how can they have decided that this HASN'T occurred at any other
time on the same pair -- over a thirty year interval?
Nothing REMOTELY able of being argued to a jury that it was an
"out-of-spec" attempt at dialing 911?
I.e., there is SOME criteria that they have used to determine
THIS line noise could be argued as an attempt at 911. But, all
of the other line noise wasn't.
[I complained of a bad connection and had a lineman come out
and spend half an hour monitoring the line. "Looks good to
me!" Until, suddenly, you couldn't carry on a spoken conversation
over the line: "Whoa! What just happened?" Yet, no uniformed
officers...]
Would outpulsing at, for example, 400Hz ever be considered a
legitimate signal?
If the defense lawyers thought a prosecutor could convince a jury of
laymen that such a signal was an attempt at contacting 911 in a trial,
then yes, it would be considered legitimate signal.
(IIRC, dial-pulse rate was ~10Hz; are there "natural phenomena that
even approach that with any sort of regularity?)
Engineer: The dial pulse standard is 10Hz ± 4%. So we will make the
switch recognize 10Hz ± 8% and reject everything else.
Lawyer: Not good enough. Someone in peril, attempting to "dial" 911 by
flashing the hook switch manually [1] will never meet a 10Hz ± 8%
standard, you instead need to recognize just about everything that
might plausibly look like 9 1 1 in order to protect us from being found
guilty of negligence in a wrongful death suit and have to pay out $X
billion in settlements.
And, that has NEVER happened on this line, previously. So, how good is
THAT criteria?
Similarly, all lines recognize dial-pulse even if equipped with a
DTMF stationset. So, why don't we hear of friends and neighbors
getting similar visits?
An absence of noise on those lines (buried in the same soil with the
same drainage properties and precipitation patterns)?
I.e., whatever criteria are used, it obviously is designed to reject
MOST sources of line noise. Pity the folks trapped in that burning
building who fail to hit whatever design window is accepted (WHILE
the copper is burning)
I.e., whatever criteria are used, it obviously is designed to reject
MOST sources of line noise. Pity the folks trapped in that burning
building who fail to hit whatever design window is accepted (WHILE
the copper is burning)
Which is just what the atty., worried about a possible lawsuit, is
worried about, and why they force the engineers to program the switch
to recognize "stuff" that isn't perfectly to spec.
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