• OT: 'Peer Reviewed' Papers - a new scam!

    From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 27 23:11:33 2024
    "This ongoing degradation calls for a shift from traditional peer review
    to rigorous live debates, ensuring accountability by having people argue
    their cases in real time."

    And not before time, say I.


    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/trust-sciencethat-just-retracted-11000- peer-reviewed-papers

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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Tue May 28 18:00:17 2024
    On 28/05/2024 9:11 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    "This ongoing degradation calls for a shift from traditional peer review
    to rigorous live debates, ensuring accountability by having people argue their cases in real time."

    And not before time, say I.


    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/trust-sciencethat-just-retracted-11000- peer-reviewed-papers

    which is pretty much a copy of

    https://joannenova.com.au/2024/05/so-much-for-peer-review-wiley-shuts-down-19-science-journals-and-retracts-11000-fraudulent-or-gobblygook-papers/

    In fact it seems to a recent minor event. Traditional peer review would
    have dealt with it, but the "journals" that published the fake papers
    clearly weren't doing that.

    It's not all that practical to organise rigorous live debates when
    authors and referees are spread around the world.

    Cursitor Doom won't be aware of that because he has never published a
    paper in a peer-reviewed journal, or refereed a paper submitted to a peer-reviewed journal.

    The clowns at Zero Hedge won't have either.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Tue May 28 16:02:38 2024
    On 5/27/2024 7:11 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    "This ongoing degradation calls for a shift from traditional peer review
    to rigorous live debates, ensuring accountability by having people argue their cases in real time."

    And not before time, say I.


    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/trust-sciencethat-just-retracted-11000- peer-reviewed-papers


    I'm unsure if there have been any significant recent developments in conservative philosophy recently, but if there's been like, some paradigm-shifting discoveries in the field of wingnutology I'm open to
    reading the journals that contain them.

    But my impression has been that wingnutology is not shall we say a
    "highly nuanced philosophy" and that's one of the keys to its
    popularity, it doesn't need an academic journal to understand.

    Love guns, love Trump, have a long list of commies, queers, and
    degenerate enemies that need to get waxed, and you've basically got at
    least a bachelors of arts in the field at this time. what more is there
    to know about it. Park your pickup in a EV parking spot is the
    equivalent of a masters degree. Kick a queer or homeless person straight
    in the head and you got your PhD, easy.

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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to bitrex on Tue May 28 21:07:23 2024
    On Tue, 28 May 2024 16:02:38 -0400, bitrex wrote:

    I'm unsure if there have been any significant recent developments in conservative philosophy recently, but if there's been like, some paradigm-shifting discoveries in the field of wingnutology I'm open to reading the journals that contain them.

    But my impression has been that wingnutology is not shall we say a
    "highly nuanced philosophy" and that's one of the keys to its
    popularity, it doesn't need an academic journal to understand.

    Love guns, love Trump, have a long list of commies, queers, and
    degenerate enemies that need to get waxed, and you've basically got at
    least a bachelors of arts in the field at this time. what more is there
    to know about it. Park your pickup in a EV parking spot is the
    equivalent of a masters degree. Kick a queer or homeless person straight
    in the head and you got your PhD, easy.

    That's precisely the problem with you elitist types. You believe no one
    should be allowed to express any political opinion unless they have a
    degree from somewhere like Columbia or Brown. Your sort believe it's only permissible to espouse a view if it's couched in suitably nuanced terms -
    which conveniently excludes anyone with populist, Right-wing sensibilities
    who didn't have a privileged upbringing. So much for "inclusiveness" eh.

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  • From john larkin@21:1/5 to bitrex on Tue May 28 14:42:43 2024
    On Tue, 28 May 2024 17:35:46 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 5/28/2024 5:07 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Tue, 28 May 2024 16:02:38 -0400, bitrex wrote:

    I'm unsure if there have been any significant recent developments in
    conservative philosophy recently, but if there's been like, some
    paradigm-shifting discoveries in the field of wingnutology I'm open to
    reading the journals that contain them.

    But my impression has been that wingnutology is not shall we say a
    "highly nuanced philosophy" and that's one of the keys to its
    popularity, it doesn't need an academic journal to understand.

    Love guns, love Trump, have a long list of commies, queers, and
    degenerate enemies that need to get waxed, and you've basically got at
    least a bachelors of arts in the field at this time. what more is there
    to know about it. Park your pickup in a EV parking spot is the
    equivalent of a masters degree. Kick a queer or homeless person straight >>> in the head and you got your PhD, easy.

    That's precisely the problem with you elitist types. You believe no one
    should be allowed to express any political opinion unless they have a
    degree from somewhere like Columbia or Brown. Your sort believe it's only >> permissible to espouse a view if it's couched in suitably nuanced terms -
    which conveniently excludes anyone with populist, Right-wing sensibilities >> who didn't have a privileged upbringing. So much for "inclusiveness" eh.


    Not so much about not letting anyone but academics in but more like the
    same reason I don't let vacuum cleaner salesmen or Jehovah's Witnesses
    in my front door; because populist right-wing sensibilities is 1%
    substance and 99% sales.

    The USA is definitely swinging right. The lefty philosophy fails to
    understand that there are greedy, lazy, and criminal people in the
    world, and they need to be managed.

    Do vacuum-cleaner salespeople still exist? It's hard to compete with
    Walmart and Amazon.

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Tue May 28 17:35:46 2024
    On 5/28/2024 5:07 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Tue, 28 May 2024 16:02:38 -0400, bitrex wrote:

    I'm unsure if there have been any significant recent developments in
    conservative philosophy recently, but if there's been like, some
    paradigm-shifting discoveries in the field of wingnutology I'm open to
    reading the journals that contain them.

    But my impression has been that wingnutology is not shall we say a
    "highly nuanced philosophy" and that's one of the keys to its
    popularity, it doesn't need an academic journal to understand.

    Love guns, love Trump, have a long list of commies, queers, and
    degenerate enemies that need to get waxed, and you've basically got at
    least a bachelors of arts in the field at this time. what more is there
    to know about it. Park your pickup in a EV parking spot is the
    equivalent of a masters degree. Kick a queer or homeless person straight
    in the head and you got your PhD, easy.

    That's precisely the problem with you elitist types. You believe no one should be allowed to express any political opinion unless they have a
    degree from somewhere like Columbia or Brown. Your sort believe it's only permissible to espouse a view if it's couched in suitably nuanced terms - which conveniently excludes anyone with populist, Right-wing sensibilities who didn't have a privileged upbringing. So much for "inclusiveness" eh.


    Not so much about not letting anyone but academics in but more like the
    same reason I don't let vacuum cleaner salesmen or Jehovah's Witnesses
    in my front door; because populist right-wing sensibilities is 1%
    substance and 99% sales.

    Nah I don't need a new religion, a new vacuum cleaner, and I've kinda
    had too many enjoyable relationships with attractive young women over my
    life to ever drum up the amount of pissed-offness required to be a solid
    sales lead for right-wing populism. it's cool. I'm good.

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to john larkin on Tue May 28 18:00:50 2024
    On 5/28/2024 5:42 PM, john larkin wrote:
    On Tue, 28 May 2024 17:35:46 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 5/28/2024 5:07 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Tue, 28 May 2024 16:02:38 -0400, bitrex wrote:

    I'm unsure if there have been any significant recent developments in
    conservative philosophy recently, but if there's been like, some
    paradigm-shifting discoveries in the field of wingnutology I'm open to >>>> reading the journals that contain them.

    But my impression has been that wingnutology is not shall we say a
    "highly nuanced philosophy" and that's one of the keys to its
    popularity, it doesn't need an academic journal to understand.

    Love guns, love Trump, have a long list of commies, queers, and
    degenerate enemies that need to get waxed, and you've basically got at >>>> least a bachelors of arts in the field at this time. what more is there >>>> to know about it. Park your pickup in a EV parking spot is the
    equivalent of a masters degree. Kick a queer or homeless person straight >>>> in the head and you got your PhD, easy.

    That's precisely the problem with you elitist types. You believe no one
    should be allowed to express any political opinion unless they have a
    degree from somewhere like Columbia or Brown. Your sort believe it's only >>> permissible to espouse a view if it's couched in suitably nuanced terms - >>> which conveniently excludes anyone with populist, Right-wing sensibilities >>> who didn't have a privileged upbringing. So much for "inclusiveness" eh. >>>

    Not so much about not letting anyone but academics in but more like the
    same reason I don't let vacuum cleaner salesmen or Jehovah's Witnesses
    in my front door; because populist right-wing sensibilities is 1%
    substance and 99% sales.

    The USA is definitely swinging right. The lefty philosophy fails to understand that there are greedy, lazy, and criminal people in the
    world, and they need to be managed.

    What's to understand? The rulers of every totalitarian dump that ever
    was figured they were doing just that and/or doing the Lords work,
    depending.

    It's a philosophy of sorts, no doubt a kind appealing to the people of
    fading empires, in failing times throughout history.

    Do vacuum-cleaner salespeople still exist? It's hard to compete with
    Walmart and Amazon.


    I'd probably talk to a vacuum cleaner salesperson just out of some
    amount of nostalgia, it's true.

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  • From john larkin@21:1/5 to bitrex on Tue May 28 15:21:18 2024
    On Tue, 28 May 2024 18:00:50 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 5/28/2024 5:42 PM, john larkin wrote:
    On Tue, 28 May 2024 17:35:46 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 5/28/2024 5:07 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Tue, 28 May 2024 16:02:38 -0400, bitrex wrote:

    I'm unsure if there have been any significant recent developments in >>>>> conservative philosophy recently, but if there's been like, some
    paradigm-shifting discoveries in the field of wingnutology I'm open to >>>>> reading the journals that contain them.

    But my impression has been that wingnutology is not shall we say a
    "highly nuanced philosophy" and that's one of the keys to its
    popularity, it doesn't need an academic journal to understand.

    Love guns, love Trump, have a long list of commies, queers, and
    degenerate enemies that need to get waxed, and you've basically got at >>>>> least a bachelors of arts in the field at this time. what more is there >>>>> to know about it. Park your pickup in a EV parking spot is the
    equivalent of a masters degree. Kick a queer or homeless person straight >>>>> in the head and you got your PhD, easy.

    That's precisely the problem with you elitist types. You believe no one >>>> should be allowed to express any political opinion unless they have a
    degree from somewhere like Columbia or Brown. Your sort believe it's only >>>> permissible to espouse a view if it's couched in suitably nuanced terms - >>>> which conveniently excludes anyone with populist, Right-wing sensibilities >>>> who didn't have a privileged upbringing. So much for "inclusiveness" eh. >>>>

    Not so much about not letting anyone but academics in but more like the
    same reason I don't let vacuum cleaner salesmen or Jehovah's Witnesses
    in my front door; because populist right-wing sensibilities is 1%
    substance and 99% sales.

    The USA is definitely swinging right. The lefty philosophy fails to
    understand that there are greedy, lazy, and criminal people in the
    world, and they need to be managed.

    What's to understand? The rulers of every totalitarian dump that ever
    was figured they were doing just that and/or doing the Lords work,
    depending.

    "A conservative is a liberal that has been mugged."

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to john larkin on Tue May 28 21:18:18 2024
    On 5/28/2024 6:21 PM, john larkin wrote:

    The USA is definitely swinging right. The lefty philosophy fails to
    understand that there are greedy, lazy, and criminal people in the
    world, and they need to be managed.

    What's to understand? The rulers of every totalitarian dump that ever
    was figured they were doing just that and/or doing the Lords work,
    depending.

    "A conservative is a liberal that has been mugged."


    Yeah maybe so, that's why I'm a leftist, not a liberal.

    I've had some bad stuff happen to me in life including being robbed, threatened, assaulted, and all that. Life can be hard and scary and bad
    stuff happens sometimes, and you never know when your number might be
    up. What can ya do

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to john larkin on Tue May 28 21:24:15 2024
    On 5/28/2024 6:21 PM, john larkin wrote:

    What's to understand? The rulers of every totalitarian dump that ever
    was figured they were doing just that and/or doing the Lords work,
    depending.

    "A conservative is a liberal that has been mugged."


    Incidentally, I don't rewrite my whole life because some POS robs me.
    Maybe a liberal would do that, idk.

    I tend to go forward from experience like that in some confidence that
    the POS will either rewrite _their_ life, or they're going to get it
    much worse sooner or later. _I_ don't need to do shit.

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to john larkin on Tue May 28 23:11:45 2024
    On 5/28/2024 10:20 PM, john larkin wrote:
    On Tue, 28 May 2024 21:18:18 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 5/28/2024 6:21 PM, john larkin wrote:

    The USA is definitely swinging right. The lefty philosophy fails to
    understand that there are greedy, lazy, and criminal people in the
    world, and they need to be managed.

    What's to understand? The rulers of every totalitarian dump that ever
    was figured they were doing just that and/or doing the Lords work,
    depending.

    "A conservative is a liberal that has been mugged."


    Yeah maybe so, that's why I'm a leftist, not a liberal.

    I've had some bad stuff happen to me in life including being robbed,
    threatened, assaulted, and all that. Life can be hard and scary and bad
    stuff happens sometimes, and you never know when your number might be
    up. What can ya do

    Hire more cops.


    About 300 of them showed up at Uvalde to stand around and do nothing
    while the gunman took his time killing everyone, I don't see much
    evidence that if 400 or a thousand had showed up the outcome would've
    been much different.

    But the "good news" is that Biden loves police as much as anyone and
    wants lots more cops, too.

    Policing is one of the few industries that gets more money the worse it
    is at its job, an aberration that pure market theory seems at a loss to explain.

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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Wed May 29 13:05:51 2024
    On 29/05/2024 7:07 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Tue, 28 May 2024 16:02:38 -0400, bitrex wrote:

    I'm unsure if there have been any significant recent developments in
    conservative philosophy recently, but if there's been like, some
    paradigm-shifting discoveries in the field of wingnutology I'm open to
    reading the journals that contain them.

    But my impression has been that wingnutology is not shall we say a
    "highly nuanced philosophy" and that's one of the keys to its
    popularity, it doesn't need an academic journal to understand.

    Love guns, love Trump, have a long list of commies, queers, and
    degenerate enemies that need to get waxed, and you've basically got at
    least a bachelors of arts in the field at this time. what more is there
    to know about it. Park your pickup in a EV parking spot is the
    equivalent of a masters degree. Kick a queer or homeless person straight
    in the head and you got your PhD, easy.

    That's precisely the problem with you elitist types. You believe no one should be allowed to express any political opinion unless they have a
    degree from somewhere like Columbia or Brown.

    The bar is set a bit lower. You merely have to know a bit about what you
    are talking about, which you can't manage.

    Your sort believe it's only permissible to espouse a view if it's couched in suitably nuanced terms -
    which conveniently excludes anyone with populist, Right-wing sensibilities who didn't have a privileged upbringing. So much for "inclusiveness" eh.

    You have populist right-wing sensibilities, yet you use a low-frequency
    word like nuanced.

    You are also addicted to fatuous right-wing nonsense to a degree that
    suggests that you are probably clinically insane, but not flamboyant
    with it, so you don't have to locked away to prevent you physically
    attacking other people. Subverting them with vicious fantasies, doesn't
    - as yet - constitute a recognised crime against the community.

    Trump may yet do enough damage to change that.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney


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  • From john larkin@21:1/5 to bitrex on Tue May 28 19:20:35 2024
    On Tue, 28 May 2024 21:18:18 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 5/28/2024 6:21 PM, john larkin wrote:

    The USA is definitely swinging right. The lefty philosophy fails to
    understand that there are greedy, lazy, and criminal people in the
    world, and they need to be managed.

    What's to understand? The rulers of every totalitarian dump that ever
    was figured they were doing just that and/or doing the Lords work,
    depending.

    "A conservative is a liberal that has been mugged."


    Yeah maybe so, that's why I'm a leftist, not a liberal.

    I've had some bad stuff happen to me in life including being robbed, >threatened, assaulted, and all that. Life can be hard and scary and bad
    stuff happens sometimes, and you never know when your number might be
    up. What can ya do

    Hire more cops.

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to bitrex on Tue May 28 23:16:52 2024
    On 5/28/2024 11:11 PM, bitrex wrote:

    Hire more cops.


    About 300 of them showed up at Uvalde to stand around and do nothing
    while the gunman took his time killing everyone, I don't see much
    evidence that if 400 or a thousand had showed up the outcome would've
    been much different.

    But the "good news" is that Biden loves police as much as anyone and
    wants lots more cops, too.

    Policing is one of the few industries that gets more money the worse it
    is at its job, an aberration that pure market theory seems at a loss to explain.

    Big Police is a great example of a serious government "pork project", if
    you will.

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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to john larkin on Wed May 29 13:24:09 2024
    On 29/05/2024 12:20 pm, john larkin wrote:
    On Tue, 28 May 2024 21:18:18 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 5/28/2024 6:21 PM, john larkin wrote:

    The USA is definitely swinging right. The lefty philosophy fails to
    understand that there are greedy, lazy, and criminal people in the
    world, and they need to be managed.

    What's to understand? The rulers of every totalitarian dump that ever
    was figured they were doing just that and/or doing the Lords work,
    depending.

    "A conservative is a liberal that has been mugged."


    Yeah maybe so, that's why I'm a leftist, not a liberal.

    I've had some bad stuff happen to me in life including being robbed,
    threatened, assaulted, and all that. Life can be hard and scary and bad
    stuff happens sometimes, and you never know when your number might be
    up. What can ya do

    Hire more cops.

    And get shot or beaten up by them if they don't like your politics or
    sexual preferences.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to john larkin on Wed May 29 13:20:37 2024
    On 29/05/2024 7:42 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Tue, 28 May 2024 17:35:46 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 5/28/2024 5:07 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Tue, 28 May 2024 16:02:38 -0400, bitrex wrote:

    I'm unsure if there have been any significant recent developments in
    conservative philosophy recently, but if there's been like, some
    paradigm-shifting discoveries in the field of wingnutology I'm open to >>>> reading the journals that contain them.

    But my impression has been that wingnutology is not shall we say a
    "highly nuanced philosophy" and that's one of the keys to its
    popularity, it doesn't need an academic journal to understand.

    Love guns, love Trump, have a long list of commies, queers, and
    degenerate enemies that need to get waxed, and you've basically got at >>>> least a bachelors of arts in the field at this time. what more is there >>>> to know about it. Park your pickup in a EV parking spot is the
    equivalent of a masters degree. Kick a queer or homeless person straight >>>> in the head and you got your PhD, easy.

    That's precisely the problem with you elitist types. You believe no one
    should be allowed to express any political opinion unless they have a
    degree from somewhere like Columbia or Brown. Your sort believe it's only >>> permissible to espouse a view if it's couched in suitably nuanced terms - >>> which conveniently excludes anyone with populist, Right-wing sensibilities >>> who didn't have a privileged upbringing. So much for "inclusiveness" eh. >>>

    Not so much about not letting anyone but academics in but more like the
    same reason I don't let vacuum cleaner salesmen or Jehovah's Witnesses
    in my front door; because populist right-wing sensibilities is 1%
    substance and 99% sales.

    The USA is definitely swinging right. The lefty philosophy fails to understand that there are greedy, lazy, and criminal people in the
    world, and they need to be managed.

    Left-wing philosophy has no delusions about human nature.

    https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/801264-if-you-took-the-most-ardent-revolutionary-vested-him-in

    "
    “If you took the most ardent revolutionary, vested him in absolute
    power, within a year he would be worse than the Tsar himself.”
    ― Mikhail Bakunin "

    That dates from the 1870's and the debate about why Karl Marx's ideas
    about the leading role of the communist party weren't good for socialism.

    Bakunin wanted politcal power to be based on local assemblies - he's the
    father of the cooperative movement - but his also anarcho-syndicalism
    attracted a few psychopaths.

    Do vacuum-cleaner salespeople still exist? It's hard to compete with
    Walmart and Amazon.

    Jehovah's Witnesses and Pentacostals are still with us, and killing
    their kids by not letting them get blood transfusions.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to bitrex on Wed May 29 17:23:30 2024
    On Tue, 28 May 2024 23:11:45 -0400, bitrex wrote:

    On 5/28/2024 10:20 PM, john larkin wrote:
    On Tue, 28 May 2024 21:18:18 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 5/28/2024 6:21 PM, john larkin wrote:

    The USA is definitely swinging right. The lefty philosophy fails to >>>>>> understand that there are greedy, lazy, and criminal people in the >>>>>> world, and they need to be managed.

    What's to understand? The rulers of every totalitarian dump that
    ever was figured they were doing just that and/or doing the Lords
    work, depending.

    "A conservative is a liberal that has been mugged."


    Yeah maybe so, that's why I'm a leftist, not a liberal.

    I've had some bad stuff happen to me in life including being robbed,
    threatened, assaulted, and all that. Life can be hard and scary and
    bad stuff happens sometimes, and you never know when your number might
    be up. What can ya do

    Hire more cops.


    About 300 of them showed up at Uvalde to stand around and do nothing
    while the gunman took his time killing everyone, I don't see much
    evidence that if 400 or a thousand had showed up the outcome would've
    been much different.

    But the "good news" is that Biden loves police as much as anyone and
    wants lots more cops, too.

    Policing is one of the few industries that gets more money the worse it
    is at its job, an aberration that pure market theory seems at a loss to explain.

    So.... would you de-fund your local police?

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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to john larkin on Wed May 29 17:21:48 2024
    On Tue, 28 May 2024 19:20:35 -0700, john larkin wrote:

    On Tue, 28 May 2024 21:18:18 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    I've had some bad stuff happen to me in life including being robbed, >>threatened, assaulted, and all that. Life can be hard and scary and bad >>stuff happens sometimes, and you never know when your number might be
    up. What can ya do

    Hire more cops.

    And come up with more imaginative and entertaining forms of capital
    punishment. Why not make a Saturday night TV show out of it? Get some
    miscreant up in front of the cameras and let him plead for his life to the audience at home.
    "This man has been convicted of robbing, stabbing and raping a young
    family. You can spare his life by calling this number: 938938493893 - or
    you can affirm the death penalty by calling *this* number: 82928392829"

    Then read the results at the end of the show along with the winning state Lottery numbers. Now *that* would be massively popular TV show format with
    the People. I should patent that! :-D

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Wed May 29 17:05:13 2024
    On 5/29/2024 1:23 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:

    About 300 of them showed up at Uvalde to stand around and do nothing
    while the gunman took his time killing everyone, I don't see much
    evidence that if 400 or a thousand had showed up the outcome would've
    been much different.

    But the "good news" is that Biden loves police as much as anyone and
    wants lots more cops, too.

    Policing is one of the few industries that gets more money the worse it
    is at its job, an aberration that pure market theory seems at a loss to
    explain.

    So.... would you de-fund your local police?

    I don't know if they do traffic detail work in the UK but they pay the
    local police here $100s an hour to stand around shooting the breeze and
    playing on their phones at roadwork sites. Clearly many dangerous
    criminals to be caught.

    It would be better if the detail cops were actually good at directing
    traffic but half the time they're not even paying attention to that, either.

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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Thu May 30 15:33:34 2024
    On 30/05/2024 3:23 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Tue, 28 May 2024 23:11:45 -0400, bitrex wrote:

    On 5/28/2024 10:20 PM, john larkin wrote:
    On Tue, 28 May 2024 21:18:18 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 5/28/2024 6:21 PM, john larkin wrote:

    The USA is definitely swinging right. The lefty philosophy fails to >>>>>>> understand that there are greedy, lazy, and criminal people in the >>>>>>> world, and they need to be managed.

    What's to understand? The rulers of every totalitarian dump that
    ever was figured they were doing just that and/or doing the Lords
    work, depending.

    "A conservative is a liberal that has been mugged."


    Yeah maybe so, that's why I'm a leftist, not a liberal.

    I've had some bad stuff happen to me in life including being robbed,
    threatened, assaulted, and all that. Life can be hard and scary and
    bad stuff happens sometimes, and you never know when your number might >>>> be up. What can ya do

    Hire more cops.


    About 300 of them showed up at Uvalde to stand around and do nothing
    while the gunman took his time killing everyone, I don't see much
    evidence that if 400 or a thousand had showed up the outcome would've
    been much different.

    But the "good news" is that Biden loves police as much as anyone and
    wants lots more cops, too.

    Policing is one of the few industries that gets more money the worse it
    is at its job, an aberration that pure market theory seems at a loss to
    explain.

    So.... would you de-fund your local police?

    Not the right response - they need to spend more money on hiring better
    people and training them to perform more expertly.

    Politicians aren't great at working out how to do this, and prefer to go
    for quantity - which the voters can see - over quality, which is harder
    to exhibit in places where lots of voters can see it.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From john larkin@21:1/5 to bitrex on Thu May 30 06:44:41 2024
    On Tue, 28 May 2024 23:11:45 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 5/28/2024 10:20 PM, john larkin wrote:
    On Tue, 28 May 2024 21:18:18 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 5/28/2024 6:21 PM, john larkin wrote:

    The USA is definitely swinging right. The lefty philosophy fails to >>>>>> understand that there are greedy, lazy, and criminal people in the >>>>>> world, and they need to be managed.

    What's to understand? The rulers of every totalitarian dump that ever >>>>> was figured they were doing just that and/or doing the Lords work,
    depending.

    "A conservative is a liberal that has been mugged."


    Yeah maybe so, that's why I'm a leftist, not a liberal.

    I've had some bad stuff happen to me in life including being robbed,
    threatened, assaulted, and all that. Life can be hard and scary and bad
    stuff happens sometimes, and you never know when your number might be
    up. What can ya do

    Hire more cops.


    About 300 of them showed up at Uvalde to stand around and do nothing
    while the gunman took his time killing everyone, I don't see much
    evidence that if 400 or a thousand had showed up the outcome would've
    been much different.

    But the "good news" is that Biden loves police as much as anyone and
    wants lots more cops, too.

    Policing is one of the few industries that gets more money the worse it
    is at its job, an aberration that pure market theory seems at a loss to >explain.

    That's because the more good policing you have, the less you need.

    Of course, it does no good to arrest criminals if they are set loose
    the next day. Some of the really dangerous people around here have
    been arrested 80 times.

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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to john larkin on Fri May 31 02:55:01 2024
    On 30/05/2024 11:44 pm, john larkin wrote:
    On Tue, 28 May 2024 23:11:45 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 5/28/2024 10:20 PM, john larkin wrote:
    On Tue, 28 May 2024 21:18:18 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 5/28/2024 6:21 PM, john larkin wrote:

    The USA is definitely swinging right. The lefty philosophy fails to >>>>>>> understand that there are greedy, lazy, and criminal people in the >>>>>>> world, and they need to be managed.

    What's to understand? The rulers of every totalitarian dump that ever >>>>>> was figured they were doing just that and/or doing the Lords work, >>>>>> depending.

    "A conservative is a liberal that has been mugged."


    Yeah maybe so, that's why I'm a leftist, not a liberal.

    I've had some bad stuff happen to me in life including being robbed,
    threatened, assaulted, and all that. Life can be hard and scary and bad >>>> stuff happens sometimes, and you never know when your number might be
    up. What can ya do

    Hire more cops.


    About 300 of them showed up at Uvalde to stand around and do nothing
    while the gunman took his time killing everyone, I don't see much
    evidence that if 400 or a thousand had showed up the outcome would've
    been much different.

    But the "good news" is that Biden loves police as much as anyone and
    wants lots more cops, too.

    Policing is one of the few industries that gets more money the worse it
    is at its job, an aberration that pure market theory seems at a loss to
    explain.

    That's because the more good policing you have, the less you need.

    Of course, it does no good to arrest criminals if they are set loose
    the next day. Some of the really dangerous people around here have
    been arrested 80 times.

    Then they weren't all that dangerous when they started their criminal
    careers. Putting impressionable youngsters into prison with experienced criminals can give them quite the wrong kind of education.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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