• Strings that can vibrate forever (almost)

    From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 23 05:08:10 2024
    Strings that can vibrate forever (kind of)
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/05/240522130402.htm
    Source:
    Delft University of Technology
    Summary:
    Researchers have engineered string-like resonators capable of vibrating longer at ambient temperature
    than any previously known solid-state object -- approaching what is currently only achievable near absolute zero temperatures.
    Their study pushes the edge of nanotechnology and machine learning to make some of the world's most sensitive mechanical sensors.

    Interesting for inertial navigation!

    Mechanical 214 kHz resonator with a Q of 6.6 billion at room temperature
    see paper:
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-48183-7
    figure 4

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  • From Jeroen Belleman@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Thu May 23 11:04:02 2024
    On 5/23/24 07:08, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Strings that can vibrate forever (kind of)
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/05/240522130402.htm
    Source:
    Delft University of Technology
    Summary:
    Researchers have engineered string-like resonators capable of vibrating longer at ambient temperature
    than any previously known solid-state object -- approaching what is currently only achievable near absolute zero temperatures.
    Their study pushes the edge of nanotechnology and machine learning to make some of the world's most sensitive mechanical sensors.

    Interesting for inertial navigation!

    Mechanical 214 kHz resonator with a Q of 6.6 billion at room temperature
    see paper:
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-48183-7
    figure 4


    Interesting, indeed, but this looks *very* fragile!

    Jeroen Belleman

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  • From john larkin@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 23 07:50:37 2024
    On Thu, 23 May 2024 05:08:10 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    Strings that can vibrate forever (kind of)
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/05/240522130402.htm
    Source:
    Delft University of Technology
    Summary:
    Researchers have engineered string-like resonators capable of vibrating longer at ambient temperature
    than any previously known solid-state object -- approaching what is currently only achievable near absolute zero temperatures.
    Their study pushes the edge of nanotechnology and machine learning to make some of the world's most sensitive mechanical sensors.

    Interesting for inertial navigation!

    Mechanical 214 kHz resonator with a Q of 6.6 billion at room temperature
    see paper:
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-48183-7
    figure 4

    It might not have the stability or tempco of a quartz crystal. The SiN
    string will surely have a different thermal expansion factor than the
    silicon substrate.

    It would be cool to have a worldwide (or even in space) array of
    thousands of 3-axis gravitational wave detectors, instead of just
    three single-axis sites. We could image g-waves at high resolution.

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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to john larkin on Fri May 24 18:35:22 2024
    On 24/05/2024 12:50 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Thu, 23 May 2024 05:08:10 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    Strings that can vibrate forever (kind of)
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/05/240522130402.htm
    Source:
    Delft University of Technology
    Summary:
    Researchers have engineered string-like resonators capable of vibrating longer at ambient temperature
    than any previously known solid-state object -- approaching what is currently only achievable near absolute zero temperatures.
    Their study pushes the edge of nanotechnology and machine learning to make some of the world's most sensitive mechanical sensors.

    Interesting for inertial navigation!

    Mechanical 214 kHz resonator with a Q of 6.6 billion at room temperature
    see paper:
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-48183-7
    figure 4

    It might not have the stability or tempco of a quartz crystal. The SiN
    string will surely have a different thermal expansion factor than the
    silicon substrate.

    It would be cool to have a worldwide (or even in space) array of
    thousands of 3-axis gravitational wave detectors, instead of just
    three single-axis sites. We could image g-waves at high resolution.

    It's a project in progress, but the projected launch date is currently
    2035. I may survive long enough to see the launch.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_Interferometer_Space_Antenna

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to jeroen@nospam.please on Sat May 25 05:04:00 2024
    On a sunny day (Thu, 23 May 2024 11:04:02 +0200) it happened Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote in <v2n0m9$1m371$2@dont-email.me>:

    On 5/23/24 07:08, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Strings that can vibrate forever (kind of)
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/05/240522130402.htm
    Source:
    Delft University of Technology
    Summary:
    Researchers have engineered string-like resonators capable of vibrating longer at ambient temperature
    than any previously known solid-state object -- approaching what is currently only achievable near absolute zero
    temperatures.
    Their study pushes the edge of nanotechnology and machine learning to make some of the world's most sensitive mechanical
    sensors.

    Interesting for inertial navigation!

    Mechanical 214 kHz resonator with a Q of 6.6 billion at room temperature
    see paper:
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-48183-7
    figure 4


    Interesting, indeed, but this looks *very* fragile!

    Yes, but maybe not enough free space to move so much it breaks?

    I just hope they used a Faraday cage and kept it away from other sources and their harmonics in the 214 kHz range.
    Wallwarts! bats? some other piezo stuff.

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  • From Jeroen Belleman@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Sat May 25 10:36:43 2024
    On 5/25/24 07:04, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Thu, 23 May 2024 11:04:02 +0200) it happened Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote in <v2n0m9$1m371$2@dont-email.me>:

    On 5/23/24 07:08, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Strings that can vibrate forever (kind of)
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/05/240522130402.htm
    Source:
    Delft University of Technology
    Summary:
    Researchers have engineered string-like resonators capable of vibrating longer at ambient temperature
    than any previously known solid-state object -- approaching what is currently only achievable near absolute zero
    temperatures.
    Their study pushes the edge of nanotechnology and machine learning to make some of the world's most sensitive mechanical
    sensors.

    Interesting for inertial navigation!

    Mechanical 214 kHz resonator with a Q of 6.6 billion at room temperature >>> see paper:
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-48183-7
    figure 4


    Interesting, indeed, but this looks *very* fragile!

    Yes, but maybe not enough free space to move so much it breaks?

    As I understand it, if a string touches something, it tends to stick.
    That was one of the problems that caused low yields in early devices.


    I just hope they used a Faraday cage and kept it away from other sources and their harmonics in the 214 kHz range.
    Wallwarts! bats? some other piezo stuff.

    With a Q > 1e9, coupling to outside influences is by definition
    very weak. I don't see this thing becoming important as a low
    noise oscillator element though. Pity. Maybe it's useful as a
    precision thermometer.

    Jeroen Belleman

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  • From Phil Hobbs@21:1/5 to Jeroen Belleman on Sat May 25 11:25:04 2024
    Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
    On 5/25/24 07:04, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Thu, 23 May 2024 11:04:02 +0200) it happened Jeroen Belleman >> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote in <v2n0m9$1m371$2@dont-email.me>:

    On 5/23/24 07:08, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Strings that can vibrate forever (kind of)
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/05/240522130402.htm
    Source:
    Delft University of Technology
    Summary:
    Researchers have engineered string-like resonators capable of
    vibrating longer at ambient temperature
    than any previously known solid-state object -- approaching what is
    currently only achievable near absolute zero
    temperatures.
    Their study pushes the edge of nanotechnology and machine learning to
    make some of the world's most sensitive mechanical
    sensors.

    Interesting for inertial navigation!

    Mechanical 214 kHz resonator with a Q of 6.6 billion at room temperature >>>> see paper:
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-48183-7
    figure 4


    Interesting, indeed, but this looks *very* fragile!

    Yes, but maybe not enough free space to move so much it breaks?

    As I understand it, if a string touches something, it tends to stick.
    That was one of the problems that caused low yields in early devices.


    I just hope they used a Faraday cage and kept it away from other sources
    and their harmonics in the 214 kHz range.
    Wallwarts! bats? some other piezo stuff.

    With a Q > 1e9, coupling to outside influences is by definition
    very weak. I don't see this thing becoming important as a low
    noise oscillator element though. Pity. Maybe it's useful as a
    precision thermometer.

    Jeroen Belleman


    Possibly some sort of sensor.

    Because the oscillation obeys a differential equation, while it takes Q
    cycles to respond to external forcing,it responds instantly to any effect
    that changes the mass or spring constant.

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    --
    Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

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