Copper can't be mined fast enough to electrify the US
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/05/240515164309.htm
Source:
University of Michigan
Summary:
Copper cannot be mined quickly enough to keep up with current U.S. policy guidelines
to transition the country's electricity and vehicle infrastructure to renewable energy,
according to a new study.

OK, alternatives:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind-powered_vehicle
?

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

On 17/05/2024 3:04 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:

Copper can't be mined fast enough to electrify the US
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/05/240515164309.htm
Source:
University of Michigan
Summary:
Copper cannot be mined quickly enough to keep up with current U.S. policy guidelines
to transition the country's electricity and vehicle infrastructure to renewable energy,
according to a new study.

Copper isn't the only conducting metal. Long distance lines tend to be
steel cored aluminium conductors, and bucky tubes might eventually work
even better.

https://www.azom.com/article.aspx?ArticleID=1295

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

On Fri, 17 May 2024 05:04:00 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:

Copper can't be mined fast enough to electrify the US
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/05/240515164309.htm
Source:
University of Michigan
Summary:
Copper cannot be mined quickly enough to keep up with current U.S. policy guidelines
to transition the country's electricity and vehicle infrastructure to renewable energy,
according to a new study.

OK, alternatives:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind-powered_vehicle
?

At least it dosn't need air conditioning.

Car power, worst to best, roughly:

Rubber bands.
Springs.
Animals (humans included)
Sails.
Compressed gas.
Steam engines.
Solar cells.
Batteries.
Electric trolleys.
Cable cars.
Funiculars.
Fuel cells.
Gasoline turbines.
Coal dust turbines.
Hydrogen turbines.
Gasoline piston engines.

Did I miss any?

The battery thing may have peaked. Manufacturers are leasing underused
parking lots and airports to store unsold cars.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

John Larkin <jjSNIPlarkin@highNONOlandtechnology.com> wrote:

[...]

Car power, worst to best, roughly:

Rubber bands.
Springs.
Animals (humans included)
Sails.
Compressed gas.
Steam engines.
Solar cells.
Batteries.
Electric trolleys.
Cable cars.
Funiculars.
Fuel cells.
Gasoline turbines.
Coal dust turbines.
Hydrogen turbines.
Gasoline piston engines.

Did I miss any?

Diesel piston engines - far more fuel-efficient.

--
~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

On Fri, 17 May 2024 19:58:01 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

John Larkin <jjSNIPlarkin@highNONOlandtechnology.com> wrote:

[...]

Car power, worst to best, roughly:

Rubber bands.
Springs.
Animals (humans included)
Sails.
Compressed gas.
Steam engines.
Solar cells.
Batteries.
Electric trolleys.
Cable cars.
Funiculars.
Fuel cells.
Gasoline turbines.
Coal dust turbines.
Hydrogen turbines.
Gasoline piston engines.

Did I miss any?

Diesel piston engines - far more fuel-efficient.

I see very few diesel cars here in California. Lots of Teslas.

Diesel peaked above the price of gasoline a few years ago, but it's
down below regular gas now.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

John Larkin <jjSNIPlarkin@highNONOlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Fri, 17 May 2024 19:58:01 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

John Larkin <jjSNIPlarkin@highNONOlandtechnology.com> wrote:

[...]

Car power, worst to best, roughly:

Rubber bands.
Springs.
Animals (humans included)
Sails.
Compressed gas.
Steam engines.
Solar cells.
Batteries.
Electric trolleys.
Cable cars.
Funiculars.
Fuel cells.
Gasoline turbines.
Coal dust turbines.
Hydrogen turbines.
Gasoline piston engines.

Did I miss any?

Diesel piston engines - far more fuel-efficient.

I see very few diesel cars here in California. Lots of Teslas.

Diesel peaked above the price of gasoline a few years ago, but it's
down below regular gas now.

That's probably due to market forces and taxes, the diesel engine is
still the most efficient because it has the highest compression ratio.


--
~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

On Fri, 17 May 2024 09:36:37 -0700, John Larkin <jjSNIPlarkin@highNONOlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Fri, 17 May 2024 05:04:00 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:

Copper can't be mined fast enough to electrify the US
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/05/240515164309.htm
Source:
University of Michigan
Summary:
Copper cannot be mined quickly enough to keep up with current U.S. policy guidelines
to transition the country's electricity and vehicle infrastructure to renewable energy,
according to a new study.

OK, alternatives:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind-powered_vehicle
?

At least it dosn't need air conditioning.

Car power, worst to best, roughly:

Rubber bands.
Springs.
Animals (humans included).
Sails.
Compressed gas.
Steam engines.
Solar cells.
Batteries.
Electric trolleys.
Cable cars.
Funiculars.
Fuel cells.
Gasoline turbines.
Coal dust turbines.
Hydrogen turbines.
Gasoline piston engines.

Did I miss any?

Vacuum on one side of a tunnel, air on the other side, car in middle.

Linear electric motor with stator in roadbed and "rotor" in the car.
Often combined with magnetic levitation ion a monorail setup.

Stretching the definition of Car, big rockets powered by burning
liquid Methane and liquid Oxygen?

The battery thing may have peaked. Manufacturers are leasing underused >parking lots and airports to store unsold cars.

Yes. Hybrids are what will survive, if anything Various friends have
asked me about EVs, and I always warn them away from pure BEVs,
because with a BEV one spends far too much time dealing with keeping
it charged up. (Not to mention dealing with the possibility of
burning the house down.) So far, they have all gone with hybrids.

Pure BEVs can make sense for local delivery vans; this was the
original use, in the days of Edison.

Joe Gwinn

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

On Fri, 17 May 2024 17:15:38 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
wrote:

On Fri, 17 May 2024 09:36:37 -0700, John Larkin ><jjSNIPlarkin@highNONOlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Fri, 17 May 2024 05:04:00 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>wrote:

Copper can't be mined fast enough to electrify the US
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/05/240515164309.htm
Source:
University of Michigan
Summary:
Copper cannot be mined quickly enough to keep up with current U.S. policy guidelines
to transition the country's electricity and vehicle infrastructure to renewable energy,
according to a new study.

OK, alternatives:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind-powered_vehicle
?

At least it dosn't need air conditioning.

Car power, worst to best, roughly:

Rubber bands.
Springs.
Animals (humans included).
Sails.
Compressed gas.
Steam engines.
Solar cells.
Batteries.
Electric trolleys.
Cable cars.
Funiculars.
Fuel cells.
Gasoline turbines.
Coal dust turbines.
Hydrogen turbines.
Gasoline piston engines.

Did I miss any?

Vacuum on one side of a tunnel, air on the other side, car in middle.

That's Boring!

Linear electric motor with stator in roadbed and "rotor" in the car.
Often combined with magnetic levitation ion a monorail setup.

Stretching the definition of Car, big rockets powered by burning
liquid Methane and liquid Oxygen?

There have been rocket-powered drag racers. Jets, too.

I built a model car that was pusher propeller-driven with a model
airplane engine. I think the fuel was mostly alcohol.

We also strapped one of those cartrige rocket motors to a model car.

The battery thing may have peaked. Manufacturers are leasing underused >>parking lots and airports to store unsold cars.

Yes. Hybrids are what will survive, if anything Various friends have
asked me about EVs, and I always warn them away from pure BEVs,
because with a BEV one spends far too much time dealing with keeping
it charged up. (Not to mention dealing with the possibility of
burning the house down.) So far, they have all gone with hybrids.

Pure BEVs can make sense for local delivery vans; this was the
original use, in the days of Edison.

Teslas may have a limited fan base, like Miatas and PT Cruisers and
DeLorean and those hideous Honda box things. Fads. The ugly Tesla
truck for sure.

Joe Gwinn

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

On 18/05/2024 2:36 am, John Larkin wrote:

On Fri, 17 May 2024 05:04:00 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:

Copper can't be mined fast enough to electrify the US
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/05/240515164309.htm
Source:
University of Michigan
Summary:
Copper cannot be mined quickly enough to keep up with current U.S. policy guidelines
to transition the country's electricity and vehicle infrastructure to renewable energy,
according to a new study.

OK, alternatives:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind-powered_vehicle

<snip>

Did I miss any?

Who cares?

The battery thing may have peaked. Manufacturers are leasing underused parking lots and airports to store unsold cars.

Manufacturers are always optimistic.A decline in the rate of growth of
the market might precede an actual decline in numbers sold, but probably
won't.

The bottom line is that electric cars offer more miles per joule than carbon-burning competition, so they are cheaper to run.

John Larkin is a gullible sucker for climate change denial propaganda,
funded by the people who are trying to sell carbon as fuel, so he's
unconscious of the other motivation that moves people over to electric cars.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

On 18/05/2024 7:15 am, Joe Gwinn wrote:

On Fri, 17 May 2024 09:36:37 -0700, John Larkin <jjSNIPlarkin@highNONOlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Fri, 17 May 2024 05:04:00 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:

Copper can't be mined fast enough to electrify the US
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/05/240515164309.htm
Source:
University of Michigan
Summary:
Copper cannot be mined quickly enough to keep up with current U.S. policy guidelines
to transition the country's electricity and vehicle infrastructure to renewable energy,
according to a new study.

OK, alternatives:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind-powered_vehicle
?

At least it dosn't need air conditioning.

Car power, worst to best, roughly:

Rubber bands.
Springs.
Animals (humans included).
Sails.
Compressed gas.
Steam engines.
Solar cells.
Batteries.
Electric trolleys.
Cable cars.
Funiculars.
Fuel cells.
Gasoline turbines.
Coal dust turbines.
Hydrogen turbines.
Gasoline piston engines.

Did I miss any?

Vacuum on one side of a tunnel, air on the other side, car in middle.

Linear electric motor with stator in roadbed and "rotor" in the car.
Often combined with magnetic levitation ion a monorail setup.

Stretching the definition of Car, big rockets powered by burning
liquid Methane and liquid Oxygen?

The battery thing may have peaked. Manufacturers are leasing underused
parking lots and airports to store unsold cars.

Yes. Hybrids are what will survive, if anything Various friends have
asked me about EVs, and I always warn them away from pure BEVs,
because with a BEV one spends far too much time dealing with keeping
it charged up.

Which is a problem that is going to go away as they get more popular.
Gasoline powered cars are going to get harder to fuel as their
population declines,

(Not to mention dealing with the possibility of
burning the house down.) So far, they have all gone with hybrids.

Foolish. Electric cars catch on fire less often that gasoline-powered
cars. The "burning the house down" problem is one that they already
have, but the media isn't as enthusiastic about reporting domestic fires started by internal combustion-engine cars as they are about reporting
fires started by lithium ion batteries.

Pure BEVs can make sense for local delivery vans; this was the
original use, in the days of Edison.

And the days of much lower capacity batteries. The technology has moved
on a bit since then - you need to pay closer attention.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)