• Re: Students go after the hypocrites

    From Gerhard Hoffmann@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 6 04:20:18 2024
    Am 06.05.24 um 02:03 schrieb bitrex:
    On 5/5/2024 2:21 PM, John Larkin wrote:
    On Sun, 5 May 2024 11:53:49 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    Israel must destroy Hamas, partly as a demonstration that attacking >>>>>> Israel doesn't pay. It's ugly but arguably necessary.

    No, it's the shortcut to the next episode.
    And it is not that I like Hamas. It's just that I can see no difference
    between Mullahs, Rabbis and even so-called settlers or "military" people
    that are just state-funded killers.

    Making monkey noises at black people they outnumber 10 to 1 is
    definitely more the Trump Party's speed than doing anything of substance >>> against globalism, it's finally all they really want to do.

    <https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/04/us/mississippi-campus-protest-gaza-black-student/index.html>

    You're repulsive. I bet your schematics are repulsive too. Those
    actually go together. Nasty people design nasty electronics.



    The kids understand the situation better than the adults do, they grasp intuitively that 80,000+ lives gone in revenge for ~1300 is repulsive,

    Or that 2/3 of the homes in Gaza are demolished at least..
    And in 5 years some will rub their eyes and complain (core competence)
    that they cannot enjoy an oh so harmless music festival on their prey.

    and that the analogies with respect to fighting against Nazi Germany
    don't hold water. Nazi Germany was one of the wealthiest and mightiest
    states on Earth in 1939.

    Where did you get that? Germany was one of the worst victims of the
    worldwide economic crisis as the new owners after WW1 withdrew their
    funds to cover their own butt. And the people voted for AH in 1933
    because of that. It could only come better. They assumed. In a land
    with just toy military. No air force, no navy.
    6 years later, the Nazis had solved that military thing, but not the
    wealth issue. Those who had paid for a Volkswagen (VW Beetle) in
    advance found out it had transmogrified into a Jeep lookalike,
    and it was not theirs.

    I wonder how brain damaged someone like Trump must be to force
    military buildup in other states. With capabilities comes greed
    to use them. As you can see, 6 years made quite a difference.

    And no, there is no protection. Just the expectation that Europe
    stays Coca-Cola land. And some extra class aircraft carriers like
    Ramstein. I'm unconfortably close to that.


    Gerhard.

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Gerhard Hoffmann on Mon May 6 00:20:49 2024
    On 5/5/2024 10:20 PM, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:

    and that the analogies with respect to fighting against Nazi Germany
    don't hold water. Nazi Germany was one of the wealthiest and mightiest
    states on Earth in 1939.

    Where did you get that? Germany was one of the worst victims of the
    worldwide economic crisis as the new owners after WW1 withdrew their
    funds to cover their own butt. And the people voted for AH in 1933
    because of that. It could only come better. They assumed. In a land
    with just toy military. No air force, no navy.
    6 years later, the Nazis had solved that military thing, but not the
    wealth issue. Those who had paid for a Volkswagen (VW Beetle) in
    advance found out it had transmogrified into a Jeep lookalike,
    and it was not theirs.


    Yeah, the average German wasn't wealthy. The ruling elite of Germany
    made out pretty well under Nazism, well the ones that lived, anyway.

    <https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/the-supermanagerial-reich/>

    The survivors in upper-middle management made out pretty well after
    Nazism too, stepped into the power vacuum and in the West carried on
    largely business-as-usual. Being a CPA instead of a storm trooper imbues
    a certain longevity, I guess.

    But that Nazi Germany was some kind of socialist country just cuz the
    word socialist was in the name is a laugh, German industry made out on
    the war better than just about anyone. Most of the same slave-labor
    using companies exist in some form today with an unbroken dynasty of
    management back to the death-camp days, and their products in every home worldwide.

    If that was the legacy of national "socialism" it's sure given
    capitalism a run for its money in the capitalism department.

    I wonder how brain damaged someone like Trump must be   to force
    military buildup in other states. With capabilities comes greed
    to use them. As you can see, 6 years made quite a difference.

    And no, there is no protection. Just the expectation that Europe
    stays Coca-Cola land. And some extra class aircraft carriers like
    Ramstein. I'm unconfortably close to that.


    Gerhard.


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  • From John S@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 31 14:59:03 2024
    Welcome to s.e.design.politics. Go to some other group for electronics
    design discussions.

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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to John S on Fri May 31 22:46:00 2024
    On Fri, 31 May 2024 14:59:03 -0500, John S wrote:

    Welcome to s.e.design.politics. Go to some other group for electronics
    design discussions.

    Just you wait for the run-up to November 5th!

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  • From John S@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Sat Jun 1 19:54:06 2024
    On 5/31/2024 5:46 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Fri, 31 May 2024 14:59:03 -0500, John S wrote:

    Welcome to s.e.design.politics. Go to some other group for electronics
    design discussions.

    Just you wait for the run-up to November 5th!


    I don't do politics. So...what is your point in terms of electronics
    designs?

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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to John S on Sun Jun 2 12:27:52 2024
    On Sat, 1 Jun 2024 19:54:06 -0500, John S wrote:

    On 5/31/2024 5:46 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Fri, 31 May 2024 14:59:03 -0500, John S wrote:

    Welcome to s.e.design.politics. Go to some other group for electronics
    design discussions.

    Just you wait for the run-up to November 5th!


    I don't do politics. So...what is your point in terms of electronics
    designs?

    My point is that every time there's been a presidential election, this
    group becomes us.talk.politics and any discussion of electronic design
    becomes off-topic and deprecated.

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  • From john larkin@21:1/5 to cd999666@notformail.com on Sun Jun 2 09:01:41 2024
    On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 12:27:52 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 1 Jun 2024 19:54:06 -0500, John S wrote:

    On 5/31/2024 5:46 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Fri, 31 May 2024 14:59:03 -0500, John S wrote:

    Welcome to s.e.design.politics. Go to some other group for electronics >>>> design discussions.

    Just you wait for the run-up to November 5th!


    I don't do politics. So...what is your point in terms of electronics
    designs?

    My point is that every time there's been a presidential election, this
    group becomes us.talk.politics and any discussion of electronic design >becomes off-topic and deprecated.

    It was declining anyhow.

    I think that people who can actually do component-level electronic
    design are becoming rare. Kids in college type more than they solder.
    I've had interns who are afraid of electricity and panic when I ask
    them to analyze a 2-resistor voltage divider.

    10 volt battery feeding series 9K and 1K resistors. What's the voltage
    across the 1K? They stutter and it's hilarious.

    I took a tour of the Cornell EE school, and I counted screens. I saw
    23 computer screens and one oscilloscope.

    If EE grads are any good, the semiconductor outfits scoop up the best.

    It takes no skill to rant endlessly about politics. The thing I like
    about circuit design is that it has to work and it doesn't take long
    to find out if it does.

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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to john larkin on Sun Jun 2 17:05:00 2024
    On Sun, 02 Jun 2024 09:01:41 -0700, john larkin wrote:

    On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 12:27:52 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 1 Jun 2024 19:54:06 -0500, John S wrote:

    On 5/31/2024 5:46 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Fri, 31 May 2024 14:59:03 -0500, John S wrote:

    Welcome to s.e.design.politics. Go to some other group for
    electronics design discussions.

    Just you wait for the run-up to November 5th!


    I don't do politics. So...what is your point in terms of electronics
    designs?

    My point is that every time there's been a presidential election, this >>group becomes us.talk.politics and any discussion of electronic design >>becomes off-topic and deprecated.

    It was declining anyhow.

    I don't believe so. Like you, I've been here for the best part of 30 years
    and the s/n ratio's about the same now as it was then.

    I think that people who can actually do component-level electronic
    design are becoming rare. Kids in college type more than they solder.
    I've had interns who are afraid of electricity and panic when I ask them
    to analyze a 2-resistor voltage divider.

    10 volt battery feeding series 9K and 1K resistors. What's the voltage
    across the 1K? They stutter and it's hilarious.

    You're not telling me these people have an EE degree FFS??

    I took a tour of the Cornell EE school, and I counted screens. I saw 23 computer screens and one oscilloscope.

    Oh dear.

    If EE grads are any good, the semiconductor outfits scoop up the best.

    It takes no skill to rant endlessly about politics. The thing I like
    about circuit design is that it has to work and it doesn't take long to
    find out if it does.

    My dear fellow, you're just going to have to become accustomed to this
    group moving over to politics increasingly over the next 5 months. AISI,
    this forthcoming election will be absolutely *critical* to world peace and
    I do wish more people would wake up to the peril we're in if Trump doesn't
    win come November.

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  • From john larkin@21:1/5 to cd999666@notformail.com on Sun Jun 2 10:39:06 2024
    On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 17:05:00 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 02 Jun 2024 09:01:41 -0700, john larkin wrote:

    On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 12:27:52 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
    <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 1 Jun 2024 19:54:06 -0500, John S wrote:

    On 5/31/2024 5:46 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Fri, 31 May 2024 14:59:03 -0500, John S wrote:

    Welcome to s.e.design.politics. Go to some other group for
    electronics design discussions.

    Just you wait for the run-up to November 5th!


    I don't do politics. So...what is your point in terms of electronics
    designs?

    My point is that every time there's been a presidential election, this >>>group becomes us.talk.politics and any discussion of electronic design >>>becomes off-topic and deprecated.

    It was declining anyhow.

    I don't believe so. Like you, I've been here for the best part of 30 years >and the s/n ratio's about the same now as it was then.

    I think that people who can actually do component-level electronic
    design are becoming rare. Kids in college type more than they solder.
    I've had interns who are afraid of electricity and panic when I ask them
    to analyze a 2-resistor voltage divider.

    10 volt battery feeding series 9K and 1K resistors. What's the voltage
    across the 1K? They stutter and it's hilarious.

    You're not telling me these people have an EE degree FFS??

    Interns are usually 3rd or 4th year EE students. "Uhh, I don't
    remember that equation."

    A fun thing to do is to ask them about their senior EE project.

    I have another quick test, to whiteboard a simple NPN emitter
    follower. Intel is welcome to the ones that can't pass that!



    I took a tour of the Cornell EE school, and I counted screens. I saw 23
    computer screens and one oscilloscope.

    Oh dear.

    If EE grads are any good, the semiconductor outfits scoop up the best.

    It takes no skill to rant endlessly about politics. The thing I like
    about circuit design is that it has to work and it doesn't take long to
    find out if it does.

    My dear fellow, you're just going to have to become accustomed to this
    group moving over to politics increasingly over the next 5 months. AISI,
    this forthcoming election will be absolutely *critical* to world peace and
    I do wish more people would wake up to the peril we're in if Trump doesn't >win come November.

    There seems to be a trend for people to move from the left/right
    fringes, towards the independent center. In other words, to show less
    tribalism and a little common sense.

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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to john larkin on Sun Jun 2 17:42:43 2024
    On Sun, 02 Jun 2024 10:39:06 -0700, john larkin wrote:

    On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 17:05:00 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 02 Jun 2024 09:01:41 -0700, john larkin wrote:

    On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 12:27:52 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
    <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 1 Jun 2024 19:54:06 -0500, John S wrote:

    On 5/31/2024 5:46 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Fri, 31 May 2024 14:59:03 -0500, John S wrote:

    Welcome to s.e.design.politics. Go to some other group for
    electronics design discussions.

    Just you wait for the run-up to November 5th!


    I don't do politics. So...what is your point in terms of electronics >>>>> designs?

    My point is that every time there's been a presidential election, this >>>>group becomes us.talk.politics and any discussion of electronic design >>>>becomes off-topic and deprecated.

    It was declining anyhow.

    I don't believe so. Like you, I've been here for the best part of 30
    years and the s/n ratio's about the same now as it was then.

    I think that people who can actually do component-level electronic
    design are becoming rare. Kids in college type more than they solder.
    I've had interns who are afraid of electricity and panic when I ask
    them to analyze a 2-resistor voltage divider.

    10 volt battery feeding series 9K and 1K resistors. What's the voltage
    across the 1K? They stutter and it's hilarious.

    You're not telling me these people have an EE degree FFS??

    Interns are usually 3rd or 4th year EE students. "Uhh, I don't remember
    that equation."

    A fun thing to do is to ask them about their senior EE project.

    I have another quick test, to whiteboard a simple NPN emitter follower.
    Intel is welcome to the ones that can't pass that!



    I took a tour of the Cornell EE school, and I counted screens. I saw
    23 computer screens and one oscilloscope.

    Oh dear.

    If EE grads are any good, the semiconductor outfits scoop up the best.

    It takes no skill to rant endlessly about politics. The thing I like
    about circuit design is that it has to work and it doesn't take long
    to find out if it does.

    My dear fellow, you're just going to have to become accustomed to this >>group moving over to politics increasingly over the next 5 months. AISI, >>this forthcoming election will be absolutely *critical* to world peace
    and I do wish more people would wake up to the peril we're in if Trump >>doesn't win come November.

    There seems to be a trend for people to move from the left/right
    fringes, towards the independent center. In other words, to show less tribalism and a little common sense.

    That's definitely *not* the vibe I'm sensing from my present perspective outside of the country.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From john larkin@21:1/5 to cd999666@notformail.com on Sun Jun 2 11:00:34 2024
    On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 17:42:43 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 02 Jun 2024 10:39:06 -0700, john larkin wrote:

    On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 17:05:00 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
    <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 02 Jun 2024 09:01:41 -0700, john larkin wrote:

    On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 12:27:52 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
    <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 1 Jun 2024 19:54:06 -0500, John S wrote:

    On 5/31/2024 5:46 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Fri, 31 May 2024 14:59:03 -0500, John S wrote:

    Welcome to s.e.design.politics. Go to some other group for
    electronics design discussions.

    Just you wait for the run-up to November 5th!


    I don't do politics. So...what is your point in terms of electronics >>>>>> designs?

    My point is that every time there's been a presidential election, this >>>>>group becomes us.talk.politics and any discussion of electronic design >>>>>becomes off-topic and deprecated.

    It was declining anyhow.

    I don't believe so. Like you, I've been here for the best part of 30 >>>years and the s/n ratio's about the same now as it was then.

    I think that people who can actually do component-level electronic
    design are becoming rare. Kids in college type more than they solder.
    I've had interns who are afraid of electricity and panic when I ask
    them to analyze a 2-resistor voltage divider.

    10 volt battery feeding series 9K and 1K resistors. What's the voltage >>>> across the 1K? They stutter and it's hilarious.

    You're not telling me these people have an EE degree FFS??

    Interns are usually 3rd or 4th year EE students. "Uhh, I don't remember
    that equation."

    A fun thing to do is to ask them about their senior EE project.

    I have another quick test, to whiteboard a simple NPN emitter follower.
    Intel is welcome to the ones that can't pass that!



    I took a tour of the Cornell EE school, and I counted screens. I saw
    23 computer screens and one oscilloscope.

    Oh dear.

    If EE grads are any good, the semiconductor outfits scoop up the best. >>>>
    It takes no skill to rant endlessly about politics. The thing I like
    about circuit design is that it has to work and it doesn't take long
    to find out if it does.

    My dear fellow, you're just going to have to become accustomed to this >>>group moving over to politics increasingly over the next 5 months. AISI, >>>this forthcoming election will be absolutely *critical* to world peace >>>and I do wish more people would wake up to the peril we're in if Trump >>>doesn't win come November.

    There seems to be a trend for people to move from the left/right
    fringes, towards the independent center. In other words, to show less
    tribalism and a little common sense.

    That's definitely *not* the vibe I'm sensing from my present perspective >outside of the country.

    Newspapers and web sites and political parties make money off taking
    extreme positions. The dynamics pushes them away from center. The New
    York Times doesn't report any more, they preach and screech.

    In real life, the people I meet here are friendly and thoughtful and
    not very concerned with politics.

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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to john larkin on Sun Jun 2 21:06:51 2024
    On Sun, 02 Jun 2024 11:00:34 -0700, john larkin wrote:

    On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 17:42:43 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 02 Jun 2024 10:39:06 -0700, john larkin wrote:

    On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 17:05:00 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
    <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 02 Jun 2024 09:01:41 -0700, john larkin wrote:

    On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 12:27:52 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
    <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 1 Jun 2024 19:54:06 -0500, John S wrote:

    On 5/31/2024 5:46 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Fri, 31 May 2024 14:59:03 -0500, John S wrote:

    Welcome to s.e.design.politics. Go to some other group for
    electronics design discussions.

    Just you wait for the run-up to November 5th!


    I don't do politics. So...what is your point in terms of
    electronics designs?

    My point is that every time there's been a presidential election, >>>>>>this group becomes us.talk.politics and any discussion of electronic >>>>>>design becomes off-topic and deprecated.

    It was declining anyhow.

    I don't believe so. Like you, I've been here for the best part of 30 >>>>years and the s/n ratio's about the same now as it was then.

    I think that people who can actually do component-level electronic
    design are becoming rare. Kids in college type more than they
    solder. I've had interns who are afraid of electricity and panic
    when I ask them to analyze a 2-resistor voltage divider.

    10 volt battery feeding series 9K and 1K resistors. What's the
    voltage across the 1K? They stutter and it's hilarious.

    You're not telling me these people have an EE degree FFS??

    Interns are usually 3rd or 4th year EE students. "Uhh, I don't
    remember that equation."

    A fun thing to do is to ask them about their senior EE project.

    I have another quick test, to whiteboard a simple NPN emitter
    follower.
    Intel is welcome to the ones that can't pass that!



    I took a tour of the Cornell EE school, and I counted screens. I saw >>>>> 23 computer screens and one oscilloscope.

    Oh dear.

    If EE grads are any good, the semiconductor outfits scoop up the
    best.

    It takes no skill to rant endlessly about politics. The thing I like >>>>> about circuit design is that it has to work and it doesn't take long >>>>> to find out if it does.

    My dear fellow, you're just going to have to become accustomed to this >>>>group moving over to politics increasingly over the next 5 months. >>>>AISI,
    this forthcoming election will be absolutely *critical* to world peace >>>>and I do wish more people would wake up to the peril we're in if Trump >>>>doesn't win come November.

    There seems to be a trend for people to move from the left/right
    fringes, towards the independent center. In other words, to show less
    tribalism and a little common sense.

    That's definitely *not* the vibe I'm sensing from my present perspective >>outside of the country.

    Newspapers and web sites and political parties make money off taking
    extreme positions. The dynamics pushes them away from center. The New
    York Times doesn't report any more, they preach and screech.

    In real life, the people I meet here are friendly and thoughtful and not
    very concerned with politics.

    Well, time will tell in the end. There is an undeniable perception on the
    part of a very large proportion of Republicans that Trump is being
    persecuted through the courts in a desperate attempt to de-rail his
    election chances and that's certainly how it appears from here. These are
    the sort of tactics that would not be out of place in some African banana republic. I never thought I'd ever see it in America.

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