I have one of these inexpensive Ikea bookshelves for storing some of my electronics books:
<https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/laiva-bookcase-black-brown-40178591/>
I noticed the center shelf was starting to sag a few degrees. :( The assembly manual specifies a weight limit of 33 lbs evenly distributed which seemed like
an oddly specific number. So I weighed the books on the shelves, which aren't particularly well organized other than to fully fill the available space widthwise on each shelf.
A random assortment of hardbacks and paperbacks, some are tall and skinny, some
are short and fat. And each shelf was clocking in at 33 lbs +/- 2 lbs.
So I guess a heuristic for filling these shelves is just fill 'em up then remove the heaviest book, and de-rate the center shelf by maybe 5- 10 lbs because it's unsupported by a backing.
I have one of these inexpensive Ikea bookshelves for storing some of my >electronics books:
<https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/laiva-bookcase-black-brown-40178591/>
I noticed the center shelf was starting to sag a few degrees. :( The
assembly manual specifies a weight limit of 33 lbs evenly distributed
which seemed like an oddly specific number. So I weighed the books on
the shelves, which aren't particularly well organized other than to
fully fill the available space widthwise on each shelf.
A random assortment of hardbacks and paperbacks, some are tall and
skinny, some are short and fat. And each shelf was clocking in at 33 lbs
+/- 2 lbs.
So I guess a heuristic for filling these shelves is just fill 'em up
then remove the heaviest book, and de-rate the center shelf by maybe 5-
10 lbs because it's unsupported by a backing.
I have one of these inexpensive Ikea bookshelves for storing some of my >electronics books:
<https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/laiva-bookcase-black-brown-40178591/>
I noticed the center shelf was starting to sag a few degrees. :( The
assembly manual specifies a weight limit of 33 lbs evenly distributed
which seemed like an oddly specific number. So I weighed the books on
the shelves, which aren't particularly well organized other than to
fully fill the available space widthwise on each shelf.
A random assortment of hardbacks and paperbacks, some are tall and
skinny, some are short and fat. And each shelf was clocking in at 33 lbs
+/- 2 lbs.
So I guess a heuristic for filling these shelves is just fill 'em up
then remove the heaviest book, and de-rate the center shelf by maybe 5-
10 lbs because it's unsupported by a backing.
On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 14:46:52 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
I have one of these inexpensive Ikea bookshelves for storing some of my
electronics books:
<https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/laiva-bookcase-black-brown-40178591/>
I noticed the center shelf was starting to sag a few degrees. :( The
assembly manual specifies a weight limit of 33 lbs evenly distributed
which seemed like an oddly specific number. So I weighed the books on
the shelves, which aren't particularly well organized other than to
fully fill the available space widthwise on each shelf.
A random assortment of hardbacks and paperbacks, some are tall and
skinny, some are short and fat. And each shelf was clocking in at 33 lbs
+/- 2 lbs.
Ikea shelves are made of veneered particle board, and can creep under
steady load. Is it possible to flip the shelf planks upside down, so
they start to creep back towards straight?
So I guess a heuristic for filling these shelves is just fill 'em up
then remove the heaviest book, and de-rate the center shelf by maybe 5-
10 lbs because it's unsupported by a backing.
If the shelf plank material is creeping, this won't work.
Joe Gwinn
On 4/26/2024 11:46 AM, bitrex wrote:
I have one of these inexpensive Ikea bookshelves for storing some of my
electronics books:
<https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/laiva-bookcase-black-brown-40178591/>
I noticed the center shelf was starting to sag a few degrees. :( The
assembly manual specifies a weight limit of 33 lbs evenly distributed
which seemed like an oddly specific number. So I weighed the books on
the shelves, which aren't particularly well organized other than to
fully fill the available space widthwise on each shelf.
A random assortment of hardbacks and paperbacks, some are tall and
skinny, some are short and fat. And each shelf was clocking in at 33
lbs +/- 2 lbs.
So I guess a heuristic for filling these shelves is just fill 'em up
then remove the heaviest book, and de-rate the center shelf by maybe
5- 10 lbs because it's unsupported by a backing.
Smarter move is to buy all of your texts in electronic form, before you
end up with a shitload of dead trees!
When I moved here (~30 yrs), I had some 80 "Xerox Paper" cartons full
of paperbacks -- not counting "text books". (I read ~500pp/wk) Take
a moment to think of that volume (let alone MASS!).
I eventually scanned everything with a Perfect Binding and now fit those
same books on a single microSD card (in a Nook; PDFs on a 12" tablet).
The "hard back" texts are a lot harder to "process" but are suffering the same fate. I wouldn't wish the task of MOVING (or disposing!) the
dead tree collection on my worst enemy...
On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 14:46:52 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
I have one of these inexpensive Ikea bookshelves for storing some of my
electronics books:
<https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/laiva-bookcase-black-brown-40178591/>
I noticed the center shelf was starting to sag a few degrees. :( The
assembly manual specifies a weight limit of 33 lbs evenly distributed
which seemed like an oddly specific number. So I weighed the books on
the shelves, which aren't particularly well organized other than to
fully fill the available space widthwise on each shelf.
A random assortment of hardbacks and paperbacks, some are tall and
skinny, some are short and fat. And each shelf was clocking in at 33 lbs
+/- 2 lbs.
So I guess a heuristic for filling these shelves is just fill 'em up
then remove the heaviest book, and de-rate the center shelf by maybe 5-
10 lbs because it's unsupported by a backing.
Composites, like the Ikea particle board, tend to sag. I got a nice
barbeque table where the propane tank can sit on the lower shelf, but
in a matter of days it took on a serous sag. It's some plastic
composite.
Like many things that one buys these days, the first thing is to
redesign it.
Add a center support of some kind.
On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 14:46:52 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
I have one of these inexpensive Ikea bookshelves for storing some of my
electronics books:
<https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/laiva-bookcase-black-brown-40178591/>
I noticed the center shelf was starting to sag a few degrees. :( The
assembly manual specifies a weight limit of 33 lbs evenly distributed
which seemed like an oddly specific number. So I weighed the books on
the shelves, which aren't particularly well organized other than to
fully fill the available space widthwise on each shelf.
A random assortment of hardbacks and paperbacks, some are tall and
skinny, some are short and fat. And each shelf was clocking in at 33 lbs
+/- 2 lbs.
So I guess a heuristic for filling these shelves is just fill 'em up
then remove the heaviest book, and de-rate the center shelf by maybe 5-
10 lbs because it's unsupported by a backing.
Composites, like the Ikea particle board, tend to sag. I got a nice
barbeque table where the propane tank can sit on the lower shelf, but
in a matter of days it took on a serous sag. It's some plastic
composite.
Like many things that one buys these days, the first thing is to
redesign it.
Add a center support of some kind.
On 4/26/2024 3:10 PM, Don Y wrote:
On 4/26/2024 11:46 AM, bitrex wrote:
I have one of these inexpensive Ikea bookshelves for storing some of my
electronics books:
<https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/laiva-bookcase-black-brown-40178591/>
I noticed the center shelf was starting to sag a few degrees. :( The
assembly manual specifies a weight limit of 33 lbs evenly distributed which >>> seemed like an oddly specific number. So I weighed the books on the shelves,
which aren't particularly well organized other than to fully fill the
available space widthwise on each shelf.
A random assortment of hardbacks and paperbacks, some are tall and skinny, >>> some are short and fat. And each shelf was clocking in at 33 lbs +/- 2 lbs. >>>
So I guess a heuristic for filling these shelves is just fill 'em up then >>> remove the heaviest book, and de-rate the center shelf by maybe 5- 10 lbs >>> because it's unsupported by a backing.
Smarter move is to buy all of your texts in electronic form, before you
end up with a shitload of dead trees!
When I moved here (~30 yrs), I had some 80 "Xerox Paper" cartons full
of paperbacks -- not counting "text books". (I read ~500pp/wk) Take
a moment to think of that volume (let alone MASS!).
I eventually scanned everything with a Perfect Binding and now fit those
same books on a single microSD card (in a Nook; PDFs on a 12" tablet).
PDFs are a dreadful format! Maybe there's a high-end e-ink that processes them
effectively but they look like shit on the cheaper ones like most of the Kindles with e-ink displays.
I hate reading on an LCD I stare into an LCD half the live long day anyway, blech.
The "hard back" texts are a lot harder to "process" but are suffering the
same fate. I wouldn't wish the task of MOVING (or disposing!) the
dead tree collection on my worst enemy...
Gotta enforce a one book in, one book out rule man.
I've never lived on my own
in a residence spacious enough that I had the luxury of just stockpiling tons of stuff in case it might come in handy someday. I don't have an attic, garage,
or basement!
On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 14:46:52 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
I have one of these inexpensive Ikea bookshelves for storing some of my
electronics books:
<https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/laiva-bookcase-black-brown-40178591/>
I noticed the center shelf was starting to sag a few degrees. :( The
assembly manual specifies a weight limit of 33 lbs evenly distributed
which seemed like an oddly specific number. So I weighed the books on
the shelves, which aren't particularly well organized other than to
fully fill the available space widthwise on each shelf.
A random assortment of hardbacks and paperbacks, some are tall and
skinny, some are short and fat. And each shelf was clocking in at 33 lbs
+/- 2 lbs.
Ikea shelves are made of veneered particle board, and can creep under
steady load. Is it possible to flip the shelf planks upside down, so
they start to creep back towards straight?
So I guess a heuristic for filling these shelves is just fill 'em up
then remove the heaviest book, and de-rate the center shelf by maybe 5-
10 lbs because it's unsupported by a backing.
If the shelf plank material is creeping, this won't work.
Joe Gwinn
I have one of these inexpensive Ikea bookshelves for storing some of my >electronics books:
<https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/laiva-bookcase-black-brown-40178591/>
I noticed the center shelf was starting to sag a few degrees. :( The
assembly manual specifies a weight limit of 33 lbs evenly distributed
which seemed like an oddly specific number. So I weighed the books on
the shelves, which aren't particularly well organized other than to
fully fill the available space widthwise on each shelf.
A random assortment of hardbacks and paperbacks, some are tall and
skinny, some are short and fat. And each shelf was clocking in at 33 lbs
+/- 2 lbs.
So I guess a heuristic for filling these shelves is just fill 'em up
then remove the heaviest book, and de-rate the center shelf by maybe 5-
10 lbs because it's unsupported by a backing.
I have one of these inexpensive Ikea bookshelves for storing some of my electronics books:
<https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/laiva-bookcase-black-brown-40178591/>
I noticed the center shelf was starting to sag a few degrees. :( The
assembly manual specifies a weight limit of 33 lbs evenly distributed
which seemed like an oddly specific number. So I weighed the books on
the shelves, which aren't particularly well organized other than to
fully fill the available space widthwise on each shelf.
A random assortment of hardbacks and paperbacks, some are tall and
skinny, some are short and fat. And each shelf was clocking in at 33 lbs
+/- 2 lbs.
So I guess a heuristic for filling these shelves is just fill 'em up
then remove the heaviest book, and de-rate the center shelf by maybe 5-
10 lbs because it's unsupported by a backing.
On 4/26/2024 3:10 PM, Don Y wrote:
On 4/26/2024 11:46 AM, bitrex wrote:
I have one of these inexpensive Ikea bookshelves for storing some of my
electronics books:
<https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/laiva-bookcase-black-brown-40178591/>
I noticed the center shelf was starting to sag a few degrees. :( The
assembly manual specifies a weight limit of 33 lbs evenly distributed
which seemed like an oddly specific number. So I weighed the books on
the shelves, which aren't particularly well organized other than to
fully fill the available space widthwise on each shelf.
A random assortment of hardbacks and paperbacks, some are tall and
skinny, some are short and fat. And each shelf was clocking in at 33
lbs +/- 2 lbs.
So I guess a heuristic for filling these shelves is just fill 'em up
then remove the heaviest book, and de-rate the center shelf by maybe
5- 10 lbs because it's unsupported by a backing.
Smarter move is to buy all of your texts in electronic form, before you
end up with a shitload of dead trees!
When I moved here (~30 yrs), I had some 80 "Xerox Paper" cartons full
of paperbacks -- not counting "text books". (I read ~500pp/wk) Take
a moment to think of that volume (let alone MASS!).
I eventually scanned everything with a Perfect Binding and now fit those
same books on a single microSD card (in a Nook; PDFs on a 12" tablet).
PDFs are a dreadful format! Maybe there's a high-end e-ink that
processes them effectively but they look like shit on the cheaper ones
like most of the Kindles with e-ink displays.
I have one of these inexpensive Ikea bookshelves for storing some of my electronics books:
<https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/laiva-bookcase-black-brown-40178591/>
I noticed the center shelf was starting to sag a few degrees. :( The
assembly manual specifies a weight limit of 33 lbs evenly distributed
which seemed like an oddly specific number. So I weighed the books on
the shelves, which aren't particularly well organized other than to
fully fill the available space widthwise on each shelf.
In article <662bffdf$0$8488$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 4/26/2024 3:10 PM, Don Y wrote:
On 4/26/2024 11:46 AM, bitrex wrote:
I have one of these inexpensive Ikea bookshelves for storing some of my >>>> electronics books:
<https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/laiva-bookcase-black-brown-40178591/>
I noticed the center shelf was starting to sag a few degrees. :( The
assembly manual specifies a weight limit of 33 lbs evenly distributed
which seemed like an oddly specific number. So I weighed the books on
the shelves, which aren't particularly well organized other than to
fully fill the available space widthwise on each shelf.
A random assortment of hardbacks and paperbacks, some are tall and
skinny, some are short and fat. And each shelf was clocking in at 33
lbs +/- 2 lbs.
So I guess a heuristic for filling these shelves is just fill 'em up
then remove the heaviest book, and de-rate the center shelf by maybe
5- 10 lbs because it's unsupported by a backing.
Smarter move is to buy all of your texts in electronic form, before you
end up with a shitload of dead trees!
When I moved here (~30 yrs), I had some 80 "Xerox Paper" cartons full
of paperbacks -- not counting "text books". (I read ~500pp/wk) Take
a moment to think of that volume (let alone MASS!).
I eventually scanned everything with a Perfect Binding and now fit those >>> same books on a single microSD card (in a Nook; PDFs on a 12" tablet).
PDFs are a dreadful format! Maybe there's a high-end e-ink that
processes them effectively but they look like shit on the cheaper ones
like most of the Kindles with e-ink displays.
PDF's are fearful. It is under control of one company, Adobe.
It is changed without notice. I regret the change away from PostScript
that at least was defined.
Groetjes Albert
I eventually scanned everything with a Perfect Binding and now fit those >>> same books on a single microSD card (in a Nook; PDFs on a 12" tablet).
PDFs are a dreadful format! Maybe there's a high-end e-ink that
processes them effectively but they look like shit on the cheaper ones
like most of the Kindles with e-ink displays.
PDF's are fearful. It is under control of one company, Adobe.
It is changed without notice. I regret the change away from PostScript
that at least was defined.
On 2024-04-26 15:30, Joe Gwinn wrote:
On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 14:46:52 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
I have one of these inexpensive Ikea bookshelves for storing some of my
electronics books:
<https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/laiva-bookcase-black-brown-40178591/>
I noticed the center shelf was starting to sag a few degrees. :( The
assembly manual specifies a weight limit of 33 lbs evenly distributed
which seemed like an oddly specific number. So I weighed the books on
the shelves, which aren't particularly well organized other than to
fully fill the available space widthwise on each shelf.
A random assortment of hardbacks and paperbacks, some are tall and
skinny, some are short and fat. And each shelf was clocking in at 33 lbs >>> +/- 2 lbs.
Ikea shelves are made of veneered particle board, and can creep under
steady load. Is it possible to flip the shelf planks upside down, so
they start to creep back towards straight?
So I guess a heuristic for filling these shelves is just fill 'em up
then remove the heaviest book, and de-rate the center shelf by maybe 5-
10 lbs because it's unsupported by a backing.
If the shelf plank material is creeping, this won't work.
Joe Gwinn
The OP might want to upgrade to Ivar shelves. I’ve got probably a dozen sections, 7 feet tall, and Ikea still sells them, I think.
Inexpensive, solid wood, good looking, super strong, and last forever.
Otherwise they stink.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
On Sat, 27 Apr 2024 12:15:54 +0200, albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl wrote:
In article <662bffdf$0$8488$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 4/26/2024 3:10 PM, Don Y wrote:
On 4/26/2024 11:46 AM, bitrex wrote:
I have one of these inexpensive Ikea bookshelves for storing some of my >>>>> electronics books:
<https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/laiva-bookcase-black-brown-40178591/>
I noticed the center shelf was starting to sag a few degrees. :( The >>>>> assembly manual specifies a weight limit of 33 lbs evenly distributed >>>>> which seemed like an oddly specific number. So I weighed the books on >>>>> the shelves, which aren't particularly well organized other than to
fully fill the available space widthwise on each shelf.
A random assortment of hardbacks and paperbacks, some are tall and
skinny, some are short and fat. And each shelf was clocking in at 33 >>>>> lbs +/- 2 lbs.
So I guess a heuristic for filling these shelves is just fill 'em up >>>>> then remove the heaviest book, and de-rate the center shelf by maybe >>>>> 5- 10 lbs because it's unsupported by a backing.
Smarter move is to buy all of your texts in electronic form, before you >>>> end up with a shitload of dead trees!
When I moved here (~30 yrs), I had some 80 "Xerox Paper" cartons full
of paperbacks -- not counting "text books". (I read ~500pp/wk) Take >>>> a moment to think of that volume (let alone MASS!).
I eventually scanned everything with a Perfect Binding and now fit those >>>> same books on a single microSD card (in a Nook; PDFs on a 12" tablet).
PDFs are a dreadful format! Maybe there's a high-end e-ink that
processes them effectively but they look like shit on the cheaper ones >>>like most of the Kindles with e-ink displays.
PDF's are fearful. It is under control of one company, Adobe.
It is changed without notice. I regret the change away from PostScript
that at least was defined.
Groetjes Albert
I don't run any Adobe software. I run several programs that export
PDFs, and a viewer/virtual printer program handles the rest. Firefox
will view PDFs too.
PDFs look good and are a good way to deliver manuals and such.
On 4/27/2024 3:15 AM, albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl wrote:
I eventually scanned everything with a Perfect Binding and now fit those >>>> same books on a single microSD card (in a Nook; PDFs on a 12" tablet).
PDFs are a dreadful format! Maybe there's a high-end e-ink that
processes them effectively but they look like shit on the cheaper ones
like most of the Kindles with e-ink displays.
PDF's are fearful. It is under control of one company, Adobe.
It is changed without notice. I regret the change away from PostScript
that at least was defined.
How is this any different than other file formats "controlled" by their >originators? MS can't even access THEIR older versions of THEIR format.
I have PCB layout tools that can't read THEIR earlier (one version)
files, etc.
You could always render your document to a TIFF (and then encapsulate it
in a PDF!), losing the textual nature in the process...
In article <v0jhmd$h25f$3@dont-email.me>,
Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
On 4/27/2024 3:15 AM, albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl wrote:
I eventually scanned everything with a Perfect Binding and now fit those >>>>> same books on a single microSD card (in a Nook; PDFs on a 12" tablet). >>>>PDFs are a dreadful format! Maybe there's a high-end e-ink that
processes them effectively but they look like shit on the cheaper ones >>>> like most of the Kindles with e-ink displays.
PDF's are fearful. It is under control of one company, Adobe.
It is changed without notice. I regret the change away from PostScript
that at least was defined.
How is this any different than other file formats "controlled" by their
originators? MS can't even access THEIR older versions of THEIR format.
I have PCB layout tools that can't read THEIR earlier (one version)
files, etc.
PDF is better that WORD. See my other response.
You could always render your document to a TIFF (and then encapsulate it
in a PDF!), losing the textual nature in the process...
What? That is stupid. I don't go for the looks.
OTOH convert a pdf document into UTF8 rather than a graphical
format.
I'm writing a program to read TIFF's in behalf of ocr.
In TIFF there are several compression schemes that are possible, e.g.
one of those is the black and white Fax machines. TIFF is worse than
PDF, and you couldn't search it for text content.
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